Depression East/West

Tibetan Buddhism generally approaches lighter depression from quite a different viewpoint than modern Western psychology.


In Western cities you can see the more money, the more problems and this stems from not understanding that happiness is a state of one's own mind, not of a bank account, drugs, availability of sex . People are taking care of their bodies, not their minds and as a result of this imbalance, comes depression. For a great deal of Western people this is true. The body is worshipped. The body is their reality and the existence of the mind, the soul, the consciousness is of no concern. There is no belief in the mind and when this exists, there is no way to resolve depression. Thoughts, our mind or consciousness are mental energy and cannot be found in the body. " What is important to understand is that the view you have of yourself and the view you have of your environment are based on your own mind; they are the projection of your mind and that is why they are not reality."


The Buddhist perspective is that an underlying selfishness/egotism is often the basic cause of feeling depressed.


"We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think.
When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."


On the other hand, an example of the Western perspective. Abraham Lincoln, a great past hero, a man admired for his intelligence and power.


What were the roots of his depression. His intellectual power would have isolated him somewhat from his peers, it could also be speculated his depression was due to his humble upbringing, which could have created feelings of insecurity when he was around people from a wealthy social order. The most relevant factor for his depression could have been connected to his father's cold treatment of him. Father and son were indeed alienated or could it have been shaped in the womb.


" With Lincoln we have a man whose depression spurred him, painfully, to examine the core of his soul; whose hard work to stay alive helped him develop crucial skills and capacities, even as his depression lingered hauntingly; and whose inimitable character took great strength from the piercing insights of depression, the creative responses to it, and a spirit of humble determination forged over decades of deep suffering and earnest longing'.


"A tendency to melancholy...let it be osbserved, is a misfortune, not a fault". Abraham Lincoln.


One could view the Eastern philosophy of depression as being negative, as opposed to how Lincoln lived with depression and gained strength from it.

I was in a tibetan buddhist group in the West. The problem is the westernization, that doesn't understand the roots. And the Rinpoches are not fully honest and want to spread Buddhism rather than preserve their tradition. (which would be impossible in the West and the east is turning to Christianity.) There is no honest tradition here. A site I recommend for originial Buddhism is the Aryan Buddhism Blog

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The Webmaster of this site is an honest academic. He also has a site of source materials (kathodosdotcom), which is now restricted, but he'll grant you access if you ask probably.

On youtube, he's done some vids too:

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Which summarize his standpoint. Especially the No-Soul Theories of Anatta, he opposes vehemently like some scholars in the past did too. I've written a little in the "Lyceum" on here in my "Esotericism 101" topic and in "Family in modern times" in the Agora.

Also check out the book by the Trimondis on Tibetan Buddhism, as well as the book by June Campbell on her abuse by Kalu Rinpoche. And Colin Goldner on the Dalai Lama, as well as Bruno Waldvogel-Frei.

The woman is not equally worth to the man in tibetan Buddhism. They are not equal which I agree with. (Opposing the modern Gendermainstreaming agenda.) But the worth of the women is lowered to a very degrading point, in tibetan Buddhism with no respect for the mother. (I guess it comes from my troubles with my mother I had in the past, that I felt drawn to tibetan Buddhism, some kind of misogyny...) But I don't support that anymore.

Modern women try to take over Western Tibetan Buddhism a good bit, fleeing the openly repressiv towards women christian churches. Not understanding that Tibetan Buddhism is way worse than Christianity in its Misogyny. The word for woman is "being of lesser birth" in tibetan, and man "being of higher birth".

This term "Dakini" kind of represents some "empowerement" for some, like in Feminism. I will get back on this later once I've fully understood it. There are the Taras too. Why do they all want to be Dakinis....

I love their meditations, as tools still. But within a sangha (cult) you always get sucked up into group-think, if you appear more regularly. And Tibetan Buddhism has a Philosophy towards the woman, that plays in the modern anti-family (no reproduction) and feminism (empowerment in Vajrayana).

Woman is SAMSARA in all Buddhism. Maras daughters were female of course and the last hurdle for Siddartha Gotama before reaching his enlightenment. Birth is not good. Of course in tibetan Buddhism you distinguish between good births and bad births, but in general the tendency is anti-life.

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Mara (Sanskrit, also Māra; Tibetan Wylie: bdud; Burmese: မာရ်နတ်), in Buddhism, is the demon that tempted Gautama Buddha by trying to seduce him with the vision of beautiful women who, in various legends, are often said to be Mara's daughters.[1] In Buddhist cosmology, Mara personifies unwholesome impulses, unskillfulness, the "death" of the spiritual life. He is a tempter, distracting humans from practicing the spiritual life by making the mundane alluring or the negative seem positive.

I think in the Keanu Reeves movie, they have nice special effects to this one. So there is no mother cult whatsoever. No relation to nature. Just the mind, and the void, emptiness. (As a metaphysic female principle. That's why so many women are attracted to Buddhism anyway! And try to water down the tibetan "pagan, folk, traditional" bits even, that are already a hybrid themselves.) And some empowerments influenced by Bön (or Bon) tradition, which was shamanism.
I am curious to how the politics of Buddhism continue, but don't want to get involved myself. I don't care enough. I am a little more academic than the avarage western buddhist.

You are absolutely right. Buddhism is more intent on spreading its philosophy rather than preserving its essence. It is not uncommon to see women monks at the Temple, behind the scenes, "running the show", the men becoming complacent.

Your response on this thread made me realise, or become aware of how much influence women now have in Buddhism, albeit covert.

If you think woman is weaker than man consider this.


Warren Farrell: "Men's greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and women's greatest strength is their facade of weakness."

We live in unnatural times and this will only be made right with the collapse of feminism. It will happen.

As I am unable to post video being "new" perhaps you would like to check out below, it is a classic.

Eric Rap Battle of Manliness.............love it.

But the real question is, how many of you are like that? Honestly.

Feminization of Man includes females in its analysis.

Not only males, but females,. are being degraded to a retarded, emasculated, form....prissy, dolls, with long, manicured nails, pretty dresses, impressive cleavage, and no ability to lift anything over 5 lbs. without bitching about it.

The "facade of weakness" is part of the "facade of strength."

The more of a facade it is the more exaggerated it must become to become convincing.
In a world of emasculated, faux-men, women must become even more dumb, and pretentiously docile and helpless, to preserve their femininity.

Satyr wrote:

Feminization of Man includes females in its analysis.

Not only males, but females,. are being degraded to a retarded, emasculated, form....prissy, dolls, with long, manicured nails, pretty dresses, impressive cleavage, and no ability to lift anything over 5 lbs. without bitching about it.

The "facade of weakness" is part of the "facade of strength."

The more of a facade it is the more exaggerated it must become to become convincing.
In a world of emasculated, faux-men, women must become even more dumb, and pretentiously docile and helpless, to preserve their femininity.




If you want to give physical endurance as an example, childbirth is no mean feat, during which we do "bitch" while it is happening, but looking at it from another perspective, a woman's life could be at risk every time she delivers a child. The large amount of time and intensity women invest in nuturing and loving their child to help it become a functional adult can add also to her character and sexuality. Impressive most of all are women who have strength in the face of harship/misfortune, this has to be an absolute feminine virtue, although the strongest is surely to put the needs of her child above her own.

Lastly, to acknowledge her love and admiration for her husband.

The attributes of femininity you have described could be adapted also by transvestites as they are all superficial. I am not disputing your dissatisfaction with the imbalance that exists, I am saying, to be feminine, involves far more than what you have described.

reasonvemotion wrote:

You are absolutely right. Buddhism is more intent on spreading its philosophy rather than preserving its essence.

No. It is spreading it's essence. The Philosophy is actually what gets lost. What's being spread is the nihilistic essence, that serve the western modern egalitarianism/liberalism (meditation on the void, Mahayana values) and capitalism (empowerments), as well as feminism (empowerments).

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It is not uncommon to see women monks at the Temple, behind the scenes, "running the show", the men becoming complacent.

Completely. Not just behind the scenes but more and more openly. But these women loose their feminity. Also women do not cooperate amongst each other. Women don't accept another woman as leader. That's why they work harder, and get less credit.

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Your response on this thread made me realise, or become aware of how much influence women now have in Buddhism, albeit covert.

Western Buddhism is completely dominated by females. Frustrated females. Lesbians worshipping some eastern "Rinpoche" (with patriarchic views on women to say the least). It's funny.

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If you think woman is weaker than man consider this.

Warren Farrell: "Men's greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and women's greatest strength is their facade of weakness."

Warren Farrell is great, he also serves my "1968"-topic on here, because he bought into womens lib at first. Saw it's values, promoted it even. He'd be called a Magina today, until he woke up to this madness.

reasonvemotion wrote:

If you want to give physical endurance as an example, childbirth is no mean feat, during which we do "bitch" while it is happening, but looking at it from another perspective, a woman's life could be at risk every time she delivers a child.

That's why women get less and less babies in the West or by Caesarean operation and heavily sedated to not feel any pain. Which makes the babies that come out weaker in life.

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The large amount of time and intensity women invest in nuturing and loving their child to help it become a functional adult can add also to her character and sexuality. Impressive most of all are women who have strength in the face of harship/misfortune, this has to be an absolute feminine virtue, although the strongest is surely to put the needs of her child above her own.

Yes. This Forum honors the traditional mother role. Unfortunately Feminism has made all this a thing of the past or just for some very few.

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Lastly, to acknowledge her love and admiration for her husband.

If he can provide, otherwise she dumps him faster than a hot plate. See the MGTOW Forums (mgtow = men going their own way) for real life stories of this.

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The attributes of femininity you have described could be adapted also by transvestites as they are all superficial.

Exactly. I like how transvestites (unintentionally) make a mockery of the modern woman. They are the more convincing women, as Baudrillard pointed out. See quote in the "porn-addicton"-topic in the Lyceum.

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I am not disputing your dissatisfaction with the imbalance that exists, I am saying, to be feminine, involves far more than what you have described.

Femininity is seduction, is play acting. The rest is nature.

reasonvemotion wrote:

If you want to give physical endurance as an example, childbirth is no mean feat, during which we do "bitch" while it is happening, but looking at it from another perspective, a woman's life could be at risk every time she delivers a child. The large amount of time and intensity women invest in nuturing and loving their child to help it become a functional adult can add also to her character and sexuality.

An animal displays all these traits and does not require courage because it is ignorant.
It functions under hormonal influences, and endures its predicament without comprehending it.

This child birthing and weening is why females are so dependent, particularly in larger brained species.
This dependence begins with a dependence on other females with whom they share a natural fate.

Anything that threatens this reliance or exposes its workings, decreasing its chemical effects, is deemed "evil."

Female psychology, as it is formed in nature to play a particular role, is characterized by one major factor:
Penetration.
An alien, usually larger, must be permitted to approach, repressing the fight/flight mechanism (trust in humans, built through a process of negotiations we call flirting)...then she must permit an alien body to intrude within her own...then she must allow alien sperm to live long enough, masking them from her autoimmune defenses which are automatic and know nothing of children, to fertilize her ovum....which them must be protected allowing it to grow, when it is half a foreign body.
After wards, the same naturally inebriating, numbing, diverting, mechanisms, aree employed to help her risk and sacrifice to raise the offspring to an age where it can begin to be self-sufficient. In humans this is around 7 years...ergo the "seven year itch."
The "itch" is feminine, as the male is ready and willing to fertilize at any time. Seven years is about the time a female goes into heat...or is receptive to new sperm interventions. It is also sufficient time to replenish her lost energies due to the previous birth.

A woman "loves" her husband for that long...and if she does longer this affection is transformed into a more brotherly kind of love...it turns from eros towards agape, without quite getting there.
When her sexual options are limited, as they are in modern cultures with rules about sexual conduct and monogamy and marriage, then she settles....she compromises....she accepts her fate.

This fate is what feminism attempts to alter...reverting the process back to primal times.
Along with them males are pulled there.

reasonvemotion wrote:

Impressive most of all are women who have strength in the face of harship/misfortune, this has to be an absolute feminine virtue, although the strongest is surely to put the needs of her child above her own.

Indeed, and I've met many such females.
They are becoming a thing of the past...feminization.

I see the opposite quickly becoming the norm.
Women leaving their children to go off with a man; women neglecting their children; women more concerned with their hair and weight; women who remain stunted, little girls pretending to be women; demanding, impressionable, sheltered, little whores.

Know the missing part?
Fear.
Severity necessitates care, respect.
Care necessitates awareness.

reasonvemotion wrote:

The attributes of femininity you have described could be adapted also by transvestites as they are all superficial.

No, it is because they are fundamental.
A transvestite wants to be female.
If a man wanted to be a cat, what attributes would we wear ungraciously and ineffectually?
If a man wanted to be a feline his act, his pretense, his desire to escape his nature would be superficial...not the attributes he mimicked and were innately feline.

If you want to discuss the strengths of females in relation to males then begin with psychological stamina.
What a female lacks in explosive intellectual and physical strength she gains as a prolonged endurance to circumstances...which makes her durable if average in all aspects opf human nature.
A demeanor stabilizing on some constant median point with no great fluctuations upward or downward.
An ease in adapting and accepting authority, or rule...including that of her own natural tendencies as these manifest through hormonal influences.
A woman never questions or challenges...she gives in and makes do.

reasonvemotion wrote:

I am not disputing your dissatisfaction with the imbalance that exists, I am saying, to be feminine, involves far more than what you have described.

What I describe is enforced femininity, where all males are expected to act and think as females...therein lies the pretense.

What you describe is the fact that every INDIVIDUAL is not totally feminine or masculine, but a mixture determining his/her masculinity/femininity in relation to their sexual roles.
An individual female may have pronounced feminine attributes but still have masculine ones in abundance.

Satyr:

In a world of emasculated, faux-men, women must become even more dumb, and pretentiously docile and helpless, to preserve their femininity



"More dumb". Is there a limit?


Women use their rationale to examine and judge carefully, to ascertain a worth. I see this as not exclusively feeling, more like a practical wisdom. This is a beacon for women. It shows them what is the best thing to do under the circumstances. So it would be correct to say women have an 'underdeveloped thinking function' compared to men, but it cannot be called dumb as this underestimates a woman's ability to comprehend and evaluate, which is why they assume the role of the "weaker" sex, it is purely self preservation. Men still have the edge, although one may be hard pressed to convince a man of this.

Some dogs can sense a coming epileptic seizure in their masters.
Innate consciousness is called instinct, intuition.
It dopes not require a high level of consciousness and it certainly can do without self-consciousness.
It is a preprogrammed response to sensual stimuli...no understanding necessary.
In fact, understanding might hinder the experience.

Women have, indeed, evolved an innate ability o see through pretense, and to sense when another, a male, is lying...this is why, according to Trivers, the next step was to make the bullshit more potent by making the bullshitter buy into his own lies.
A reactive adaptation to the female development of sensing details which expose a hyperbole.

This aside...I do not disagree with the rest of what you said.

When I use intelligence as a value of divergence I have a particular definition of what it means.
I've explained it and defined it and described it and I've even gone out of my way to engage morons on other forums to expose it in real-time.

Women should appreciate my efforts all the more, for the reasons I and you stated.
When a pretentious, moron, of a man, uses credentials or those typical methods of defensiveness modernity has already given him, but then exposes his simplicity, his retardation, his emasculation, with every word he says and with every post he makes...it requires a more sophisticated kind of female to see the glorious humor in the entire spectacle.

A strong man need not say he is strong...he simply appears, and all see it.
An intelligent man need not present the paperwork proving that his intelligence is a fact, his every world exposes his real mental quality.

This is easy for females.
For males, not so much...particularly the ones taken over by hyper-masculinity, who have not subdued the feminine qualities in themselves.

A strong female, knows her place, rejoices in it, and finds meaning and pleasure in being a man's means to an end...HIS end.
The higher quality female, in any area, would want to be this for a male on her level or, ideally, above it.
She would find purpose and joy in passing on superior genes.

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A strong female, knows her place, rejoices in it, and finds meaning and pleasure in being a man's means to an end...HIS end.

Of course......with pleasure and without question.

And this is why you are here.

No.

I am here because it is a pleasure sometimes to talk to someone without having to explain oneself.

That was only an observation.
You can explain yourself to yourself, as you wish.

Did you know thedoc, that kindly old "man" with such valuable toys proving how "happy" he is, frequents a forum where pedophiles gather?
Isn't that funny?

I can understand your mistrust, I don't wish my presence on this Forum to inhibit in any way or make anyone feel uncomfortable. I have enjoyed my short interaction and thank you for your hospitality.

I will return from whence I came.

reasonvemotion wrote:

I can understand your mistrust, I don't wish my presence on this Forum to inhibit in any way or make anyone feel uncomfortable. I have enjoyed my short interaction and thank you for your hospitality.

I will return from whence I came.

"Mistrust"?
"Inhibit"?

My dear...such passive aggressive behavior is unflattering.

Such insecurity in you.

Oh well, see ya around the circuit tuts.

Satyr:

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And this is why you are here.

Did you know thedoc, that kindly old "man" with such valuable toys proving how "happy" he is, frequents a forum where pedophiles gather?
Isn't that funny?

I came here by invitation. Yours.

Satyr:

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But if you wish to REALLY test yourself against me...then you know where I live.
Where the satyr lives few dare enter...are you one?
I doubt it.
There you will not have this douche-bag, moderator, watching over you, using his own emasculation as a reference point to protect you from me.

Do you dare?
I doubt it.

Know Thyself
You, nor anyone of your kind, would ever dare.

Here I am.

I was wondering how long it would take you to get around to that "other" forum.

Gossiping is not my forte, I tend to liken it to old Greek women, sitting around with nothing left to do.

Nothing "manly" about gossip.

Just thought I would clear this up before I walk out of the door.

reasonvemotion wrote:

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A strong female, knows her place, rejoices in it, and finds meaning and pleasure in being a man's means to an end...HIS end.

Of course......with pleasure and without question.

Prove it.

You owe an apology to Satyr and Purple Dragon for those exchanges at PN. Apologize to them. Show how unquestioning you are...

Who are you? The resident hardcore feminist.

Things have really sunk to an all time low on this forum.

Women defending the esmasculated "men".

As I said, I am out of here LOL

reasonvemotion wrote:

Here I am.

I was wondering how long it would take you to get around to that "other" forum.

You can have it.
I went there to play with the abundance of retards that congregate in its cesspools.

Did you think I needed a discussion with morons?

reasonvemotion wrote:

Gossiping is not my forte, I tend to liken it to old Greek women, sitting around with nothing left to do.

When I study bugs, to a bug, this might seem like gossiping.
When I study the social behavior of sheep, I am indulging in a form of gossip.

reasonvemotion wrote:

Nothing "manly" about gossip.

Perhaps not...but I adjust to the one I am faced with.

Do you offer anything besides a personal note?

reasonvemotion wrote:

Just thought I would clear this up before I walk out of the door.

How nice of you....now be off.

Drop a note, keep in touch...come back and tell us how unaffected you are.

How many times does one "walk out" the same door?

Typical defensive (re)action.

I'll wait for an example of your thinking.
So far nothing but smoke and mirrors...and this distinct desire to present yourself as someone on my level.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and wait for your thinking to prove your quality.

Until then try to have fun with my friends here.
You'll find the ones tinted Green are more like the ones on PN and ILP, so you'll feel at home.

What do you think...can I resist your "appeal" and keep my promise?

Ta, Ta,

Shakespeare's Sister - Stay

reasonvemotion wrote:

Who are you?  

Someone who knows who You are...
Did you change perfumes recently?  That old whiff........... is not there... but I'll play anyway ;

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The resident hardcore feminist.

Nope, I'm Heart-core...

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Things have really sunk to an all time low on this forum.

What are you waiting for then? umm... should I get the whip or something?

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Women defending the esmasculated "men".

Satyr's Indomitable, and Purple Dragon... he is the one who's Defeated Satyr. Do you get it?
Yea, its like that.

You owe them both an Apology. Now!

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As I said, I am out of here  LOL  

Ok. and then don't forget to come back as your own loony self... diddums, lol

She doesn't want to be just any female...she wants to be THE female.

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Ok. and then don't forget to come back as your own loony self... diddums, lol

You would like that wouldn't you. Another jealous female. Lady, you are one of many.

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She doesn't want to be just any female...she wants to be THE female.

I thought you at least could relate to that.

I can.

I only mentioned it as a fact.

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