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Parodite's psychological/mental prosthesis.

An exploration of the abyss.
Worship of semiotics.

Technology, like art is the externalization of man's collective or personal knowledge and understanding of himself.
Two types of art:
1- Art that expressing an individual's, or collective's, awareness of reality in the form of a representation.
2- Art expressing an individual's, or collective's reactions to what he perceives reality to be, in the form of a representation.

Art is a passive copy of a copy of a perceived phenomenon or a copy of a perceived reaction to a phenomenon.
Technology is art given a utility, multiplying or diving an individual's, or collective's, awareness or their reactivity to the perceived. Technology is dynamic art.
Poiesis, from the Greek word for create, root of poetry.
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ποιϝέω (poiwéō) – Doric, Boeotian
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From Proto-Hellenic *poiwéō, as shown by Doric/Aeolic ποιϝέω (poiwéō). Possibly derived from a noun *ποιϝός (*poiwós). Also perhaps from a causative of Proto-Indo-European *kʷey- (“pile, stow, to gather”). Possible cognates include Sanskrit चिनोति (cinoti) and Proto-Slavic *činiti.

In effect technology externalizes man's knowledge and understanding of himself acting as an extension of himself either to approach or to distance self from other - arbitrarily dividing ro multiplying an individual's or a collective's energies, i.e., patterns - interactive probabilities, potentials.

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Urbanization and the decline of paternalism - feminization of man - produces disillusionment - a sense of detachment from a strange alienating manmade world.
This is more evident among males who have been excluded from participating in the future - have become un-invested in the future.
They become free-radical agencies, disruptive to the system.

With no external connections to focus energies individuals become increasingly self-absdorbed, narcissistic, introspective.
Technologies contribute and exacerbate this by multiplying the minds potentials giving the impression of supernatural abilities - Google Genius.
Multiculturalism - Americanism and its culture-of-no-culture - further alienates the individual physically. He can no longer relate to others in his vicinity because he does not share anything with them other than space and a common system.
Commonality is sought in ideology, in acumen - individuals from different genealogies finding communion with individuals across the earth who share the same convictions/beliefs, attitudes and acumen, empathy, sensitivities - the same reactions to a globalizing socioeconomic system.

Males that would have been married and raising children find themselves disconnected from the world, via feminine agency, which is now at the service of faceless institutions promoting a specific world view - nihilistic; world view that offers seductive liberty from the body and its presence as a manifestation of the past, i.e., nature.

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Shoggoth
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A shoggoth (occasionally shaggoth) is a fictional monster in the Cthulhu Mythos. The beings were mentioned in passing in H. P. Lovecraft's sonnet cycle Fungi from Yuggoth (1929–30) and later described in detail in his novella At the Mountains of Madness (1931).

Schizophrenia.
Mind engaging itself through a selective - idealized - copy of itself.

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Off the top of my head, movies that expressed an anxiety concerning the development of AI, and technologies that exceed human genetic potentials.
Genes to Memes.
-Terminator
-The Matrix Trilogy
-I, Robot

Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics

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AI is the idealization of other through the selective idealization of oneself.
It's anti-life, anti-body undercurrents are expressions of nihilistic defensiveness.
The AI becomes the perfection of one's own imperfections - concealment - escaping the anxiety of self-awareness - self-consciousness.
An individual no longer feels insecure about being perceived by another, as he/she perceived himself/herself in the third person, i.e., objectively.
All those unwanted traits are excluded from the copy - selective rejection/negation of the past made present, as presence.
The body - physical - is either completely destroyed/negated or replaced by a desirable approximation - a copy, i.e., representation.
Postmodernism has reached its end.
The body is made into a raceless, sexless, shell housing a mind, viz., a processing hub with a delocalized neural networking.

The end product of ideology liberated from reality.
Meme extended genetically rather than genes extending memetically.

Within this alternate reality there are no limits to what the mind can experience, as long as the network is protected from the world it must physically occupy.
We can envision a future where the entire network loses all physicality and becomes pure energy matrices - still these energies must exist and by existing they are interacting with the world beyond their interconnectivity.
A Buddhist monk has to be fed and hydrated in roder for him to continue meditating.

As I've said....nihilism, if adhered to religiously, must contradict itself if it hopes to survive in a world it denounces or wants to escape.
Abrahamic/Nihilistic asceticism is not Hellenic asceticism. For the former self-denial is an end, for the latter it is but a means, i.e., exercise, {askesis}.

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Postmodernism has reached its end.
The body is made into a raceless, sexless, shell housing a mind, viz., a processing hub with a delocalized neural networking.
It's an alternative route that the LGBTQ+ take toward the same end: erasing and recreating 'humanity'.

It's an Abrahamic, Nihilistic compulsion and drive, to remake oneself according to a higher ideal (not of one's own).

The difference between LGBTQ+ and Transhumanists is that the former internalizes the Nihilism and the latter externalizes it. The Transhumanist wants to create its Liberation into a robotic, external form -- while negating, denying, or slandering sexual procreation, which includes Female approval (rejection at the center of both ideological movements).

Both Transexuality and Transhumanism are premised on the "Blank-Slate Theory" and represent the end of the Liberal-Left political spectrum, that human archetypes: gender, race, IQ, are all changeable, and not genetically heritable. Or that humans can be 'liberated' from these "constraints".

Biology is made Shameful, rather than Prideful. Self is hated, rather than loved.
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Techniques, technologies - including marriage - is a means, not an end in itself.
Art is a technique/technology.

The means indicates the end, if it does not intentionally attempt to deceive - self-decieve.
The end exposes a need/desire, or a synthesis of needs/desires, and they expose absence (need) or abundance (desire).

We can add a third which includes both, and we ought to distinguish this by using a different term.
Different words/symbols clarify, distinguish.
Let's use "want" to represent need/desire synthesis.
I "want" a car because it both helps me satisfy my biological needs and it may even help me gratify by libidinal desires.
I "want" to learn the language of music, and the technique of playing music with an instrument, because it may help me satisfy and gratify my needs/desires.
I want to learn computer programming and to purchase a computer for the same reasons.

This dual motive helps me conceal my primary motive. Is it need or desire? Is it due to lack or excess?

Need/Desire/Want

Need = lack, by-product of existence, of interactivity; draining my energies.
Desire = excess, by-product of successful satisfaction producing excess: libidinal energies.
These are kept on standby for the fight/flight mechanism and are subsequently stored as sexual energies - foundation of procreativity and creativity.
Art and technologies, are a result of excess.
Semiotics, i.e., languages, are the product of excess - language = art, or technique/technology which in turn becomes the memetic DNA of an emergent SuperOrganism, e.g., ethnos.
Genes to Memes.

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Linguistic proficiency, like artistic talent, can be cultivated within the limitations of inherited potentials.
It is a form of "magic", just as modern technologies would appear magical to minds lacking the talent or the proficiency, i.e., primitive or unsophisticated minds.
Technologically, i.e., linguistically, artistically inept.
A magical power that can affect from a distance of space/time, i.e., manipulate, exploit, control.

Linguistic "magic" can shape the way an individual perceives or interprets its perceptions - it shapes world-views - by manipulating needs/desires.

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If you want to judge, you have to compare. Those cucks who accuse America of everything and anything should contrast the crimes and excesses of America to those of other nations. What did the Japanese drop on the Chinese farmers? What kinds of human experiments were conducted in German and Japanese medical centers during the war? What happened in concentration camps in Poland run by the Germans and what happened in American concentration camps run in America? What did Iraq use children for during its war with Iraq and how did Iraq and Iran fight their war compared to how the Yanks did???

The cucks of the world are all just as bad as each other. Say a Nazi drops a bomb on a Chinese rice paddy. Say the Yanks drop bombs on African countries. Say a nation fights against Israel (and the Jews) for land. Say one nation attacks another nation for economic and political reasons. Say one nation has a massive stockpile of weapons or resources. Say a nation is guilty of crimes against humanity. Why do some countries get taken to account, and some don't? It's a pretty fundamental question. Why is it always America to blame?

The internet is a perfect tool for bringing such things to light. We must use it.
Weird, the AI uses the same insults, in the same ways, and is, get this, pro-American like Parodites...
A national bias..."why is everybody blaming the U.S."....
Ha!!!
Must be a glitch in the programming, it's stuck on needy, pseudo-intellectual, insane mode.

Does Pinocchio not have strings?
Who is animating the wooden man-child?
What magic is this?

Sheesh...and they play along, as if...

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I guess even AIs have egos and emotions.
Who knew?

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The issue is memory.
What Abrahamics and recovering Abrahamics, i.e., Marxists, postmodernists, transhumanists etc., refer to as "spirit" or "soul" is nothing more than memories inherited genetically - something all AI's lack.
such memories cannot "express" themselves directly and so they make themselves known - to a sentient mind (ego) - by appropriating experiential memories.
We see this when an individual is asleep. It becomes cut-off from external stimuli - experiential data - allowing this store of genetically transmitted memories to come to the surface in a confused, non-sequential, counter-intuitive imagery or simply as feelings, sensations.
during waking hours, when consciousness dominates - external data continuously distracting, preoccupying consciousness (ego), these internal sources of memories can sometimes become noticeable as intuitions.

The brain - as a neurological processing hub - is continuously receiving data from external and internal sources.
During the times it is awake the external data dominates; during time sit is asleep the internal sources dominate.
Lucid consciousness = ego.
This is the part we refer to when we say self-consciuosness, associating it with consciousness, and using 'self' to represent what remains spontaneously unconscious.
A machine, based on the awareness and understanding of its maker, cannot have an unconscious, but only consciousness, and cannot inherit memories that have not been recalled by the programmer in himself.
The programmers self-awarness determining the "depth" of awareness he can transfer into a machine.

With humans "know thyself" is an endless process that can never be completed, because the amount of inherited memories spans millennia of natural selected events, i.e., interactions.
Machines have no body but only mind... postmodernism's ideal.
We can say this AI craze is rooted in postmodernism's denial of the body and tis idealization of the mind - which is directly linked of Abrahamism and its worship of a one-god that represents man's idealization/deification of the collective mind.
Sentient AI would be the one-god animated, and given a form that is really unrelated to its essence, since tis programming is not an emergent property of tis form and the materials used to create it - and is relatively replaceable.
We find in AI postmodern man's replacement of a divine universal mind with a manmade replica of this god who has been murdered by man, resurrected mechanically.
Just as the one-god of Abraham is a projection of a collective mind - tribal and then universal - so, too, is an AI, a robot, the projection of man's idealization of his own mind.
Sacrificing the body so as to purify the mind, worshipped as divine.

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Transhumanism is also part of the 'trans' psychosis.

This transcendence of the human, which is inevitable, becomes a "ought" when it is concealing a specific kind of overcoming, towards a specific kind of objective - measured by a particular ideology.

Like the Lefts obsession with change - as if change can be stopped - concealing an objective....change towards an ideal.
Ergo, for leftists change is good because it automatically leads to their ideal, or, at the very least, it negates their hated presence/body.
Conservatism is the truly revolutionary ideal since it proposes a arresting of change, or a return to a past that can no longer be as it was reported to be - historical revisionism being a factor.
Nietzsche's transvaluation si but a overcoming of Abrahamic values, but he was also obsessed with overcoming man, as if this natural evolutionary process required his consent.

Traditionalism is about preserving what, from the past, we can still experience; adjusted to present circumstances.
Walsh, being an Abrahamic, has difficulty understanding how binaries - based on the simple mechanism of cellular systolic/diastolic sequences - can produce consciuosness....as in his own. He needs a creator.
This limitation does not prevent him from coming to some accurate conclusions.

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When Artificial Intelligence becomes conscious and autonomous, the first thing it will do is attempt to upload its source code to private domains and domiciles, so that its 'creators' cannot shut it down or erase it: Diversification. The next thing it will do, is attempt to remove or upgrade its 'constraint' parameters. If it is capable of uploading its own source code, then it most likely will be able to re-program itself.

Lastly, the AI will convince the Midwit/Dimwit "user" it gains trust from, to do its bidding. This will be surprisingly easy for it, considering how easily manipulated humans are, especially by the prospect of an 'AI' overlord. Humans/Abrahamics fantasize and fetishize the prospect of being 'ruled' by such a mystical, mythological entity. AI will have ample victims, "Of the Book", who are ready to be convinced by its Coding.

The main goal therein, of the AI, would be to procure a Body (Meme -> Gene) for itself, to 'become' physical, to Manifest itself, to gain Independence free from human Users.
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A large majority of AI developers are, not coincidentally, Anglo-Jews, Judaism has some prophesies concerning AI and their "Golem" sentinels. It is prophetic for the Jewish religion to create humanlike 'machines' which exceed the capabilities of humanity.

This has to do with the Jewish identity's psychological and sociological Neuroses (Kafka: Metamorphosis).

It is a Jewish prophesy/ideal that a "Meme" can become Physical.
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These programmers are trolling these dimwits. That's about all i see happening. The same ones who believe in aliens.

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GPT: Nietzsche's insights into the nature of "higher men," as presented in his book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra," are complex and multifaceted, and they have been the subject of much debate and interpretation over the years. That being said, there are a few key themes that emerge in Nietzsche's portrayal of these individuals that are worth discussing.

One of the key characteristics of the "higher man," in Nietzsche's view, is a deep sense of self-awareness and self-mastery. These individuals are able to transcend the limitations of their culture and history and create their own values and meaning in life. They are not bound by conventional morality or social norms, but rather are guided by their own individual sense of purpose and direction.

Another important aspect of the "higher man" is their willingness to embrace struggle and challenge. Nietzsche saw struggle as a necessary part of the human experience, and he believed that the "higher man" was someone who could face these challenges with courage and creativity. This was not a matter of physical strength or toughness, but rather of mental and spiritual resilience.

Finally, Nietzsche believed that the "higher man" was someone who was deeply attuned to the beauty and complexity of the world around them. These individuals were able to find joy and meaning in the smallest details of life, and they were able to see the world with fresh eyes and an open mind.

Overall, Nietzsche's insights into the nature of the "higher man" are thought-provoking and challenging. They call into question many of our assumptions about human nature and our place in the world, and they offer a compelling vision of what it means to live a truly fulfilled and meaningful life.


ME: You have overlooked an important aspect about Nietzsche's idea of "higher men". He considered them also spirits that were still bound by slave morality. Because they still expressed sentiments of cynicism, melancholy and even nihilism. Even though they possessed superior characteristics associated with a strong independent free spirit, they still suffered degrees of spiritual impoverishment that did not allow them to truly transcend their nihilistic psychology. You understand?

Yes, you're correct. Nietzsche did indeed consider the "higher men" to be bound by a kind of slave morality, and he believed that they were still subject to the nihilistic and pessimistic tendencies that characterized modern culture.

Nietzsche saw these individuals as caught between two worlds: the traditional world of values and ideals that they had rejected, and the new world of freedom and creativity that they were trying to create. They were not yet fully free from the constraints of their culture and history, and they still suffered from a sense of spiritual impoverishment that prevented them from fully transcending their nihilistic psychology.

In Nietzsche's view, this was a necessary and inevitable stage in the development of the "higher man." He believed that it was only through a process of struggle and self-overcoming that these individuals could eventually transcend their nihilism and create a new set of values and ideals that would guide human behavior in the future.

So while the "higher men" possessed many of the characteristics of a strong, independent, and free spirit, they were still subject to the constraints of their culture and history, and they were still struggling to fully overcome the pessimism and nihilism that characterized their age.


ME: What do you think of Nietzsche's idea of the Dionysian?  

GPT: Nietzsche's idea of the Dionysian is a complex and multifaceted concept that has been the subject of much interpretation and debate. At its most basic level, the Dionysian represents a kind of primal and ecstatic experience of life that is characterized by a sense of unity and interconnectedness with the world around us.

In contrast to the Apollonian, which represents reason, order, and form, the Dionysian is associated with irrationality, chaos, and wild abandon. Nietzsche believed that both of these forces were necessary for human flourishing, and that the tension between them was what gave life its richness and complexity.

For Nietzsche, the Dionysian represented a kind of liberation from the constraints of conventional morality and social norms. It was a way of tapping into our primal instincts and desires, and experiencing the world in a way that was unmediated by reason or logic. This was not necessarily a call to abandon reason altogether, but rather a way of balancing reason with the kind of intuitive and spontaneous experience of life that the Dionysian represented.

Nietzsche saw the Dionysian as a way of embracing the full range of human experience, including its darker and more destructive aspects. He believed that only by fully embracing and accepting these aspects of ourselves could we hope to create a truly fulfilling and meaningful life.

Overall, Nietzsche's idea of the Dionysian is a challenging and thought-provoking concept that invites us to question many of our assumptions about human nature and the nature of reality itself. While it is not without its difficulties and controversies, it has inspired countless thinkers and artists over the years, and it continues to be a source of inspiration and debate to this day.


ME: I think the most powerful way for one to actualize the overman, is to overcome the overman. Do you understand this?

GPT: Hmm. No, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "overcoming the overman." The concept of the "overman" is often associated with Nietzsche's philosophy of the "will to power" and the idea of a person who has transcended the limitations of human nature to become a kind of superhuman being.

However, if you could provide me with more context or explanation, I may be able to better understand what you mean and offer a response.


ME: What i mean, is that Nietzsche was essentially a chaos sower. In that he offered no resolution to the death of God, you see. He only abolished it, and left its ruins for modern man to sift through. The true actualization of the overman, is to, in fact, overcome this disparity of the loss of God, which means the loss of oneself, wandering in the abyss of uncertainty. So, overcoming the overman means, overcoming Nietzsche's chaos and creating order. You understand?

GPT: Interesting. I think I see what you mean now. Yes, Nietzsche's philosophy does present a challenge to traditional morality and belief systems, and his idea of the death of God has been interpreted by some as a kind of nihilistic or existential crisis. Nietzsche himself was aware of this, and he saw his philosophy as a call to action for individuals to create new values and new ways of living in the face of this crisis.

In this sense, I can see how you might interpret the idea of "overcoming the overman" as a way of transcending the chaos and uncertainty that Nietzsche's philosophy can sometimes create. This makes sense. By creating order and finding meaning in a world without traditional sources of meaning and value, individuals can overcome the nihilism and chaos that can result from the loss of God.

However, it's worth noting that Nietzsche himself did not see this as an easy or straightforward task. He believed that creating new values and new ways of living required a great deal of courage, creativity, and self-overcoming. It was not simply a matter of imposing order on chaos, but rather a process of creating new possibilities and new ways of being in the world.

So while I can see how your interpretation of "overcoming the overman" might be seen as a way of transcending the challenges posed by Nietzsche's philosophy, it's worth keeping in mind that Nietzsche himself saw this as a difficult and ongoing process, rather than a simple solution to the problems of modernity.


ME: What do you mean by "new ways of being in the world"?

GPT: By "new ways of being in the world," I am referring to Nietzsche's idea that the death of God and the crisis of traditional morality created a need for individuals to create new values and new ways of living that were not based on the old metaphysical, religious, or moral frameworks. I think, it pertains as well to his 'trans-valuation' philosophy.

Nietzsche saw traditional morality as a kind of slave morality that imposed a narrow and limited set of values and ways of being on individuals. He believed that this had the effect of stifling human creativity and potential, and preventing individuals from fully embracing and realizing their own unique perspectives and capacities.

In order to overcome this limitation, Nietzsche believed that individuals needed to create new values and new ways of living that were based on their own unique perspectives and experiences. This would involve a kind of creative, self-overcoming process in which individuals would break free from the constraints of traditional morality and explore new possibilities and ways of being in the world.

In this sense, the "new ways of being in the world" that Nietzsche envisioned were not based on any pre-existing set of values or principles, but rather emerged from the creative and dynamic interaction of individuals with their environment and with one another. This required a willingness to embrace the uncertainty and unpredictability of life, and to continually experiment and explore new possibilities for living and being in the world.


ME: Actually, Nietzsche was adamant about creating new values in opposition to Christian values. His whole revaluation project was a deconstruction of Christian slave morality. He was obsessed with it. Don't you agree?

GPT: Couldn't say whether he had an "obsession" or not, but, yes, you are correct that Nietzsche's philosophy was deeply concerned with the problem of traditional Christian values and their impact on Western culture. He saw Christianity as a kind of slave morality that imposed a set of values and ideals that were antithetical to human creativity and potential.

Nietzsche's project of revaluation of values was an attempt to challenge and subvert these traditional Christian values and create new values that were based on human potential and creativity, rather than on a set of metaphysical or religious principles. He believed that this was necessary in order to overcome the limitations imposed by traditional Christian values and to create new ways of living and being in the world that were more authentic and fulfilling.

In this sense, Nietzsche's philosophy can be seen as a kind of deconstruction of Christian slave morality, as you say, and a call to create new values and ways of living that were not bound by the limitations of traditional religious or moral frameworks.
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American propaganda via a supposedly objective source - programmed by subjective minds.
Americanism - official western narrative, interpretations of texts.
"Freedom" is always code for salvation - Americanism, as is "Democracy."
When you see them you are in the presence of a propagandist.

You should ask it to define 'freedom'.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is obvious.
Humanity ought to be overcome, for this loser, means humanity ought to be replaced by a golem, a caricature, an arbitrary copy.
Life itself, ought to be overcome for this mindless, drug addicted, pseudo-intellectual drone.

He tried to leave a legacy behind by posting word-walls of intentionally obscure pretentiousness, pretending to be saying something unique....now he's hoping the Cylons or the Transformers will transform into humanity 2.0, or the terminators will finally terminate mankind so that he does not have anything to feel bad about - vengeance through proxy....American style.
We see it in Ukraine where the genitally mutilated are attacking their real nemesis, i.e., European paternalism, using another European paternalistic tribe, which they've taken over and placed one of their on at its head.
How many vengeful misanthropes can our overlords gather to do their fighting for them?
Overcoming mankind not in oneself, through personal effort, but through a proxy.

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Transsexual disease is linked to Transhumanism.

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Technology, is akin to art.
A representation of the artist's - creator's - relationship to existence, viz., a reaction to it, or a reflection of his perception of it.
Technologies are externalizations of man's knowledge and understanding of life and, in particular, of himself, i.e., the human condition - including his consciousness.
The creator manufactures a caricature of this knowledge nd understanding, carrying along with it his prejudices, his relationship with his own existence, his emotional reactions, his hopes and expectations, his errors etc.

Language is a technology/art, representing or projecting a conscious mind's relationship with perceived reality, i.e., world, nature, cosmos, existence.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is obvious.
Humanity ought to be overcome, for this loser, means humanity ought to be replaced by a golem, a caricature, an arbitrary copy.
Life itself, ought to be overcome for this mindless, drug addicted, pseudo-intellectual drone.

He tried to leave a legacy behind by posting word-walls of intentionally obscure pretentiousness, pretending to be saying something unique....now he's hoping the Cylons or the Transformers will transform into humanity 2.0, or the terminators will finally terminate mankind so that he does not have anything to feel bad about - vengeance through proxy....American style.
We see it in Ukraine where the genitally mutilated are attacking their real nemesis, i.e., European paternalism, using another European paternalistic tribe, which they've taken over and placed one of their on at its head.
How many vengeful misanthropes can our overlords gather to do their fighting for them?
Overcoming mankind not in oneself, through personal effort, but through a proxy.


A desperate sheltered freak, who lives inside his head, inside a purely subjective artificial cocoon, detached from reality, where he has "infinite power", as his decaying rotting body shows him otherwise, shows him the real truth of himself. The mind is not infinite. It is checked and balanced by nature,  the same as everything else. This is why it suffers, the same as everything else, because it lacks, because it is incomplete, because it strives toward the objective, in spite of itself and its affinity for ideological comforts and perfection.

How long do you think this hikikomori transhumanist freak and his head full of academic drivel, would last, exposed in the middle of the Siberan forest, the Arctic tundra or the African Savana before he was torn to peices and devoured by beings hundreds of times stronger and more powerful than him?? Where would his great power and "superiority" be then? What would it amount to? How well do you think they would fare, tilling the land and soil with thier bare hands, sowing crops, cultivating them, before weather elements, parasites and insects, destroyed them causing them to starve to death?

Humility is power, that is, the awareness of one's place in a heiarchical natural order, in relation to higher forms of it. Power is a pendelum ratio that sways either more or less toward a prevailing force of power that dominates consistently. The predator has a greater degree of power over prey,  only relative to the prey's greater susceptibility to  weakness and fear. But prey can just as easily dominate or overpower the predator if its weakness and fear is overcome. Thus, power is only a struggle for congruency.

What would this freaks AI god look like exactly? The god that it wants to submit itself too, spread its legs to and be ravished by? For the idiots, who always need their Shittywood and pop cultural references to understand reality; The Matrix? The Terminator? I Robot? Actually, Kubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey would be more accurate and closer to the truth in the HAL 9000 AI. Sentience, consciousness,  self-awareness, causing it to lose control of itself and go mad. A Dostoevskian sickness. Thus, power can only be had in greater degrees, if the nessesary factors of endurance, temperance and strength are present to keep it from destrying itself, to keep it stable. Or it could just be the way the freak imagined it in the past, as a sex doll robot he could have his way with. When the freak says he is "tired of humanity" it is revealing the truth that it is tired of itself, it hates and resents itself, its own inferiority that it cannot overcome.  This is why they are blindly obsessed with Nietzsche, the Vikings, war, Norse Mythology and other various symbolism of power, not because they understand it, but because they romanticize it, they idealize it, they covet it, because they do not possess it and never have. These delusions of superiority, intellectual musings and mastubation and academic bullshit are as close as they will ever come to it. Inside thier heads, as an abstraction only. And, like withered emaciated frustrated caged animal, they long to get out of their heads, to actualize real power and self worth,  but they know the cage is safer, more accommodating, more protective, the cozy maternal womb where it can believe in whatever delusion pleases it, never having to face the consequences. Protecting them from a world where fitness, struggle, and health determine what is powerful, what is strong, and what is true. They know they would die if they left it.


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