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PostSubject: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyFri Feb 10, 2023 11:55 am

Do you think that mediocre people have kind of inherited feelings of resentment towards the more quality individuals?

Revolt of the masses. But is this phenomenon occurring very naturally in humans? Is it necessarily harder for superior individuals to cope, due to the resentment that they get from inferior individuals, of which there are so many?

Nietzsche saw a natural tendency for the human animal to evolve toward common mediocrity. But is this also happening in such a way that mediocre individuals downright hate superior individuals, and mediocre individuals try to triumph over the superior individuals by the number?

Former heavyweight boxer Volodymyr Klytško said in one interview, that he can't go to bars or nightclubs or such, because there is always some twat who wants to play macho and take on Klytško.


Jon Snow wrote:
They hate me because I'm better than they are

Another question: Do you think we pretty much subconsciously know who is superior or inferior to us, just by looking at them? Sure, when we evaluate tens or hundreds of people every day, we often go wrong in our valuations, but in general, do we know where we stand in a hierarchy, when we compare ourselves to others?

The reason I'm asking is because
1) if we subconsciously know that someone is superior to us, and
2) if humans tend to resent those who are better than themselves
then is faking assimilation really such a good strategy?

I mean, if outer appearance and mental capacity are somewhat related, or at least they are not completely unrelated, can you play stupid in such a way that average people don't see through that? If your outer appearance is representing quality, can you fake inferiority by opening your mouth and acting stupid?
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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyFri Feb 10, 2023 12:57 pm

Illiterate wrote:
Do you think that mediocre people have kind of inherited feelings of resentment towards the more quality individuals?
First of all mediocrity is not a general term. It applies to a specific trait in relation to an ideal.
Nobody is ever superior in everything.
In my case, superior means in relation to intelligence - IQ and EQ - because these are the traits I consider crucial and identifying and distinguishing a human from all other species. These are the traits that make homo sapiens dominant over other species, and men dominate over other men.
Secondly, inferiority has multiple ways of coping or reacting to what is superior to itself.
The noble method, chooses to be inspired to become more like what is superior...or to surpass it.
The aristocratic ethos means the ability to objectively admire the superior - to appreciate it - without your subjective ego, needs/desires, emotions corrupting your appreciation.
The ignoble method is to try to destroy, or undermine, or negate what is superior - it remains trapped in manimal subjectivity, with no ability to become objective.

Illiterate wrote:
Nietzsche saw a natural tendency for the human animal to evolve toward common mediocrity. But is this also happening in such a way that mediocre individuals downright hate superior individuals, and mediocre individuals try to triumph over the superior individuals by the number?
Collectives tend to regress to a median, especially collectives adopting nihilism as their coping mechanism and their preferred political tool of manipulating and exploiting the masses, i.e., controlling.
Heterogenous collectives, using an ideal to create cohesion, usually adopt some version of nihilism.

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Another question: Do you think we pretty much subconsciously know who is superior or inferior to us, just by looking at them?
Definitely....and so nihilism uses language to create a defence, i.e., excuse or nullification of what threatens it.

This is what I meant when I traced the origins of nihilistic world views to emerging self-awareness.
More so, sheltering modern systems propagate unfit mutations that need some coping mechanism to deal with their obvious inferiorities.

'Réestiment,' Nietzsche called it.....Dutton calls it "spiteful"....I call it 'desperate.'
The ignoble coping method involves vengeance towards what reminds it of its inferiority - a self-hatred directed as a hatred of other.

This is why fear is used as a defence by such ignoble 'spiteful mutants'...as in "phobias".
Anytime anyone reminds them what homosexuality, transsexuality, race, is....they project their fear of otherness, of nature's indifferent injustices, as the other's fear of them.
So, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia....etc.
They cannot challenge the claims so they attack the source, trying to slander, undermine and, eventually, silence it.
But this does not alter the facts of the claim...so they are never satisfied and must continuously remain on the defensive.
They become obsessed.
Their projections feel relieving, but do not last long because they are projections of their essence....and their essence is not corrected by the projection. 

Illiterate wrote:
Sure, when we evaluate tens or hundreds of people every day, we often go wrong in our valuations, but in general, do we know where we stand in a hierarchy, when we compare ourselves to others?
We begin with Know Thyself....adjusting our self-evaluations over constant affirmations, using our performances, relative to others. Know thyself is a constant process, adjusting our over- and under-estimations of ourselves. Gradually adjusting our subjectivity as we approach objectivity.
The same can be said about any trait, like strength, or intelligence, or beauty etc.
Objective self-awareness is the most difficult thing to achieve because it is associated with the very essence of our existence.
This is why few can ever develop any degree of it that would be useful. Fewer can become philosophers. 

An aristocratic, noble, spirit uses the other as inspiration: as a standard to cultivate the traits he admires, to the fullest extent of his inherited potentials, without striving to reach parity, but to surpass or to advance as much as possible.
A noble, aristocratic ethos, admires the superior as superior, without striving to tear it down, and debase and dilute it, because it cannot be it.  

Illiterate wrote:
The reason I'm asking is because
1) if we subconsciously know that someone is superior to us, and
2) if humans tend to resent those who are better than themselves
then is faking assimilation really such a good strategy?
But, of course. Faking assimilation creates the illusion of parity, or at least an unawareness of your superiority.
The desperately degenerate are prone to be more forgiving to what displays the weakness of ignorance or lack of self-awareness, relative to their own.
Their subjective evaluations of themselves are always their only standard. They believe this inconspicuous evaluation is what makes them complex and deep. It does not.

For ignoble spirits faking it is better than being it.
This is why humility is such a virtue among them. The beautiful women who pretends to be ugly, insecure about her looks, does not threaten the average, or ugly woman.
True, this does not eliminate their resentment and vengefulness against her - directed at nature - but it does reduce its ferocity.
Nothing more vile and ferocious than an envious female, because for women their entire self-esteem is tied to their sexuality.
Men have an easier time....not that all manage to cope and do not become ignoble, vengeful resentful twats - see ILP - but males are evolved to compensate...so if they lack in one area, they compensate by cultivating another: if they are not good looking, then they try to become successful, and rich; if they are not smart they try to become athletic or funny; if they cannot be the alpha they become the nice beta....

Illiterate wrote:
I mean, if outer appearance and mental capacity are somewhat related, or at least they are not completely unrelated, can you play stupid in such a way that average people don't see through that?
Women play stupid to pretend they are more feminine or helpless, to trigger a male's protective instincts.
Feminization means men adopt feminine sexual practices, since male practices are criminalized and considered toxic.

But, you must adjust your thinking, a bit.
Nature is about cycles.
Remember the truism "hard times create hard men; hard men create good times; good times create soft men"...?
Yes...well apply this to genetics?
Beauty, genetic markers make sex easy for men. This means they need not cultivate any other trait, even if they may have a higher potential, whereas a male with lower potentials will cultivate them to their fullest, gaining an advantage.
Males are expendable, and must prove themselves worthy, this is why they differ from females in more than just physical attributes. A female cannot make herself more desirable to a male by cultivating her brain or her wealth - slight qualification, if she does she will attract a specific kind of man, e.g., a mimbo or a manchild, or an older high IQ male who is looking for something more than just physical attractiveness since his procreative years are done or he does not care for it.
In my essay "Tentative defence of Monogamy" I approach the subject from its most crucial aspect, feminine sexual power: female sexual choice - female genetic and then memetic filtering.

Illiterate wrote:
If your outer appearance is representing quality, can you fake inferiority by opening your mouth and acting stupid?
Well most females are good at spotting pretences - genetically they've evolved the ability to intuitively detect male deception - obviously higher IQ females are better at it.
Don't fake stupidity....women despise idiots....males can deal with female idiocy.
But remain silent on memetics, ideological aspects, since many are filtering out those who do not adhere to ideological standards of their time and place. Memetic filters.
Adjust for her age and her IQ:
Younger and dumber females are more memetically stringent, and genetically affected.
So, a mediocre and young female will be affected by genetic markers more than a high IQ female; but she will also be more sensitive to beliefs that do not agree with her own, or those of conventions.
These are easier to fool by remaining silent, and letting her project whatever she wants into your silence - your quiet "masculine, brooding, mysteriousness."
It is easier to fool simpletons by allowing them to fool themselves.
If you tick all of the other boxes she will go out of her way to imagine you as her perfect mate...if you do not ruine it by speaking your mind.

A smarter woman is more difficult to fool.
She will pick up on ques and interrogate you, indirectly...but, she may also prove to be resistant to popular delusions and convictions.
So, in this case, if your beliefs are counter popular mediocrity, she may find you attractive by simply becoming aware of the lies the mediocre consider to be "true."
So, your own ability to read and evaluate comes into play.
Ironically, your feminine side is a crucial factor.

This bullshyte about "being yourself" is meant to make the filtering process easier for females of low intelligence, especially if you are a male who is smart enough not to be immersed in conventional beliefs.

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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyFri Feb 10, 2023 1:31 pm


Females are genetic and memetic filtering agencies.
Her particular psychology, her self-esteem, determines what and who she filters in and who she excludes, from among those she can attain.
Her power - determining her freedom of will - determines her filtering stringency,, i.e., the shape and size of her filtering mesh.

Sexuality is core for females.
She knows no power outside her procreative role - the quality of her femininity determining her procreative identity. Females that have abandoned this procreative identity tend to be bitter and vengeful towards those that adhere to it.
Especially females, because they have no other access to power - if she does not inherit money.
Careers are important to such females because they believe they can attain power outside the feminine roles they've abandoned and tried to transcend.

Sex, her filtering sexual role, is all a female knows of power.
This is why they always attack males using derogatory sexual innuendoes - adopted by emasculated males as their own weapon of choice.
When emasculated males speak of "success" they mean sexual, ro monetary....referring to collective standards of evaluating quality.

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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyFri Feb 10, 2023 5:19 pm

Illiterate wrote:
Do you think that mediocre people have kind of inherited feelings of resentment towards the more quality individuals?

Revolt of the masses. But is this phenomenon occurring very naturally in humans? Is it necessarily harder for superior individuals to cope, due to the resentment that they get from inferior individuals, of which there are so many?

Nietzsche saw a natural tendency for the human animal to evolve toward common mediocrity. But is this also happening in such a way that mediocre individuals downright hate superior individuals, and mediocre individuals try to triumph over the superior individuals by the number?

Nietzsche understood the psychology of resentment as feminine undermining. The slavish inferior spirit, from his rationale, will be forced to manifest his will to power in ways that are conducive to his impotence, his inability to be forcefully dominant. The weak desire power, just as much as the strong do. Everyone possesses will to power. However, the resentful spirit simply uses stratagems related to indirection to actualize it. So, deceit, trickery, pseudo-intellectualism, shrewdness, obsequious submission and deference before one who is stronger than them for the reward of belonging to their strength and ultimately usurping it if they can, aligning themselves with group and herd ethics. These are the methods a feeble spirit will use to attain power, in lieu of direct masculine approaches. They have to.

Kaczynski's insights into resentment are more or less in sync with Nietzsche's. Only he referred to it as the power process, and that in sheltered artificial modern environments, where humans cannot achieve real goals within the natural world, they will be forced to resort to abstract, ideological versions of real goals, relegating their power drives to subjective modes, or what he called 'surrogate activities'.

Weak spirits are forced to seek out duplicitous methods to conquer their enemies. One who is superior necessarily draws those who are inferior to them. Usually, the socially gregarious and extroverted superior types tend to make allies with those resentful individuals who would otherwise want to destroy them, reducing the risk of too many enemies forming. Conversely, the introverted, indifferent superior types, actually walk a more precarious path, because they tend to have more disgust with the inferior, thus creating more enemies, more danger. This is one of the reasons why Nietzsche was a strong advocate for gregarious spirits.

Illiterate wrote:
Former heavyweight boxer Volodymyr Klytško said in one interview, that he can't go to bars or nightclubs or such, because there is always some twat who wants to play macho and take on Klytško.

The weak are easily intimidated and threatened. A small dog goes crazy and barks at a larger animal because it acknowledges the larger animal's superiority over it, it instinctually knows that animal is stronger and more dangerous, and more intimidating. When one is offended, becomes indignant, becomes angry, they are threatened by something they intuitively know will expose some weakness, or truth about themselves that they cannot have.

Watch real life fight videos between men. There is always an aggressor, instigator, or the one who initiates, or one who is more aggressive than the other. In many cases the one who initiates is the one who ends up losing.


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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptySat Feb 11, 2023 11:54 am

Satyr wrote:
The desperately degenerate are prone to be more forgiving to what displays the weakness of ignorance or lack of self-awareness, relative to their own.

Satyr wrote:
This is why humility is such a virtue among them. The beautiful women who pretends to be ugly, insecure about her looks, does not threaten the average, or ugly woman.
True, this does not eliminate their resentment and vengefulness against her - directed at nature - but it does reduce its ferocity.
Do I understand right that this is sort of realization and coping with the fact that in numbers, they (resentful mediocre) will triumph. So a high IQ male or a beautiful woman are often humble, because they know that if they present the quality they actually are, many jealous individuals will be resentful and start acts of vengeance against the "priviledged ones"?

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Usually, the socially gregarious and extroverted superior types tend to make allies with those resentful individuals who would otherwise want to destroy them, reducing the risk of too many enemies forming. Conversely, the introverted, indifferent superior types, actually walk a more precarious path, because they tend to have more disgust with the inferior, thus creating more enemies, more danger. This is one of the reasons why Nietzsche was a strong advocate for gregarious spirits.
I have witnessed something of this sort too. But what would be the environment and the situation where indifferent introverted types would triumph, in nature? Since today they are hated (for every individual is expected to present the belonging of one humanity) and also they hate. Humans are social animals. It's almost like a different sub-type of human is evolving, which is not nearly as social as humans are in general. Solitary human?

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Men have an easier time....not that all manage to cope and do not become ignoble, vengeful resentful twats - see ILP...
Good one.

Satyr wrote:
Ironically, your feminine side is a crucial factor.
Very well put.

Thank you both.
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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptySat Feb 11, 2023 12:37 pm

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Do I understand right that this is sort of realization and coping with the fact that in numbers, they (resentful mediocre) will triumph. So a high IQ male or a beautiful woman are often humble, because they know that if they present the quality they actually are, many jealous individuals will be resentful and start acts of vengeance against the "priviledged ones"?
The decisive factor is environment.
In this case manmade environments, guided by nihilistic ideologies, fabricate alternate realities, sheltering individuals from nature's indifferent "injustices".
This propagates a particular psychosis that becomes popular - majority - due to sheltering; propagating interdependence among those that intuitively know they are inferior and would not do well outside this manmade social environment, based on humanitarian, as they call them ideals.
These increasingly interdependent unfit masses will become passionate defenders of the protective, forgiving status quo, even if some may come to realize that it is artificial and based no lies - human ideological artifices, e.g., equality, equity, rights with no duties, privileges with no sacrifices, pleasures with no pains, rewards with no risks.
Such sheltered individuals will correctly consider any threat to this enclosure an existential threat, but will only understand it using itself as the standard - so motive, ego, need/desire, are the foundations of their convictions ergo they become the foundations of those that threaten them.
Nature becomes conscious (willful) - represented by Satan, the evil....making their enclosure of humanity the 'good, the divine.
Example; expose them to the probability that races into a social construct and they will attack you using projections: fear, anxiety, violence etc.
They don't protect and defend the weak, but themselves....because all are equally weak, hoping the favour will be reciprocated.
Even though violence, slavery, brutality, is not implied in the acknowledgment of race, their reactions are found no their private anxieties, projected as accusations.
Say something true about women and female nature, and see the same defensive reaction.

In the end such systems cannot survive. They implode from the weight of their own lies, requiring exponentially higher levels of energies to be devoted to preserving and enhancing them.
We are now entering the final phase on Americanism's nihilistic system....and it always gets darker when dawn approaches.
All these lies and lairs will collapse when forced out of their systemic enclosures where do or die necessitates clarity; where no word games preserving lies, offers any advantage, but is a disadvantage.
Then all becomes clear because it is about life or death....not sheltering, preserving codependences, and protecting shared lies.

"Easy times produce soft men; soft men produce hard times; hard times produce hard men...."
Soft men - feminized males - are easier to control, but they are also unreliable, feeble, unable to protect and provide; their softness gradually becomes impotent.
Civilizational cycles.

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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptySat Feb 11, 2023 12:41 pm

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Kvasir wrote:
Usually, the socially gregarious and extroverted superior types tend to make allies with those resentful individuals who would otherwise want to destroy them, reducing the risk of too many enemies forming. Conversely, the introverted, indifferent superior types, actually walk a more precarious path, because they tend to have more disgust with the inferior, thus creating more enemies, more danger. This is one of the reasons why Nietzsche was a strong advocate for gregarious spirits.
I have witnessed something of this sort too. But what would be the environment and the situation where indifferent introverted types would triumph, in nature? Since today they are hated (for every individual is expected to present the belonging of one humanity) and also they hate. Humans are social animals. It's almost like a different sub-type of human is evolving, which is not nearly as social as humans are in general. Solitary human?


Loneliness is a normal response to the social instinct and an inevitable reversion from it that everyone must fall into. Solitude however, involves the introspection of self-consciousness, the existential condition of awareness, a way of being, so to speak. I am solitary. Nevertheless, i would never go around recommending others to be so. Solitude is an unnatural state for most humans, even a dangerous, self-destructive one. The ones who would "triumph" in it, as you say, would only be those with resilience to anxiety brought on by being alone. But i would not think of this as a "triumph" so much as a successful state of redirecting these social anxieties to individualistic and artistic ends; things like art, or philosophy, for example, can only be truly accomplished separated from social engagement. Only for a small percentage can solitude be natural, the ones in possession of a higher consciousness. For the rest, it is a disaster; they need a collective identity and herd guidance to abate their anxieties. America was founded on individualism, and now look at the spiritual impoverishment and mental chaos its population has descended into as result. None of those animals can, or were meant to survive without collective authority and government to provide them with an identity.

If solitary ones, that is, ones who cannot be part of collective ideology or society at large, are "hated", it would be because they exhibit certain self-sufficient traits and strengths uncommon to herd morality that cause others to be envious. This is why modern people love the cinematic psychopath archetype or character, because those characters represent a power to break through social conventions and weaknesses of themselves, achieving a higher consciousness. This inspires them.

The social instinct reigns supreme, because it harnesses and directs the anxieties and fears of self-consciousness into productive activity, social interaction and motion. In other words, it's primitive. A lower level of awareness, suppressing consciousness. This is where most prefer to be, because it is the natural state.

How i would think about and appreciate "superiority" or what makes a superior person, would be, only how effective they are at controlling and focusing the chaos of their nature toward a higher ordered state.




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Soft men dominate within sheltering environments.
Hard men dominate within threatening, challenging environments.

They have the uooer-hand, supported by females who always side with power and the status quo. Once they intuitively perceive a shift, they will change.
Most of them are below average in IQ - due to the same sheltering environments they maintain and demand, due to their reproductive role.
The higher IQ ones have begun to perceive the coming collapse - passing this feeling off on low and median IQ males - dimwits and midwits.
Average and low IQ females are still oblivious. Lower IQ's require more input, more sensory data...they cannot glean from subtle signs.
Midwits need the obvious, and then they will still resist acknowledging it, due to cowardice, until they have no choice.
Dimwits will remain oblivious until the whole thing collapses on their head, or they ae awakened by midwits....they always follow trends, popularity, the majority - sheeple.

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In the Bible, isn't it described that Lucifer was once the most beautiful angel? It is said that evil often seduces through beauty.

Book of Ezekiel 28:11-19:
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The word of the Lord came to me: "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: "This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more." "

In the biblical dogma, isn't beautiful often (if not always) evil?
If beauty correlates with health; and Jesus was a friend of sickling... and poor... and weakling... then Jesus is not a friend of a beautiful one?
Also, in my opinion beauty requires a great degree of sense of self worth. Note how in the quote it is said that Lucifer became "proud on account of his beauty". This pride in my opinion is part of beauty. Some individual might be good looking but not beautiful, you know what I mean?

When I look at the people who are taking part in a Christian church and communion, I don't see any beauty there. I mean literally, those people are not beautiful. At most, some could be described as innocent, sweet and cute; not beautiful. Also in my understanding, people who are involved in church life, are suffering from all kinds of illnesses more than average people. This is especially true for such "charismatic" Christian churches as Pentecostalism where speaking in tongues, falling down and other forms of suggestion are strongly present. These people are very often one way or another straight out desperate and craving for miracles.

So, do we see also in the Bible and in Church life, that beautiful people are really not wanted as Jesus' followers, since beautiful people are often proud and more independent than the friends of Jesus?
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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyMon Apr 03, 2023 11:23 am

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In the biblical dogma, isn't beautiful often (if not always) evil?
Beauty based on nature is evil - physical tangible, measurable beauty.
Beauty defined as symmetry/proportionality, indicating health, fertility, heightened probability.

My approach is to define terms by connecting them to perceptible, testable, falsifiable, phenomena.
This, immediately, exposes all other definitions as being mystical, flawed or nihilistic.
I approach terms that have been corrupted over centuries of spiritual nihilism and later secular forms of the same: Abrahamism, Marxism, Postmodernism...Terms like: value, beauty, love, morality, gender, ethnicity, identity...


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If beauty correlates with health; and Jesus was a friend of sickling... and poor... and weakling... then Jesus is not a friend of a beautiful one?
Jesus is an icon representing a faction of Abrahamism, i.e., Christianity..derived from Judaism, which was a derivative of Zoroastrianism and Ancient-Egyptian spirituality


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Also, in my opinion beauty requires a great degree of sense of self worth. Note how in the quote it is said that Lucifer became "proud on account of his beauty". This pride in my opinion is part of beauty. Some individual might be good looking but not beautiful, you know what I mean?
Mind/Body necessitates different contexts.
So physical symmetry/proportionality, i.e., beauty, is not the same as mental/psychic symmetry/proportionality, i.e., charm, charisma, humour, intelligence...
Sometimes physical beauty lets mental traits to atrophy, resulting in a bad character, no charisma, no intellect...
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Conversely, physical inferiority, forces individuals to cultivate their mental traits.


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When I look at the people who are taking part in a Christian church and communion, I don't see any beauty there. I mean literally, those people are not beautiful. At most, some could be described as innocent, sweet and cute; not beautiful. Also in my understanding, people who are involved in church life, are suffering from all kinds of illnesses more than average people. This is especially true for such "charismatic" Christian churches as Pentecostalism where speaking in tongues, falling down and other forms of suggestion are strongly present. These people are very often one way or another straight out desperate and craving for miracles.
It is spiritual nihilism, the primary form to develop, as a defensive reaction to man awakening to existence and to himself.
As I've stated: Nihilism inverts selectively or totally...using semiotics: words/symbols to invert a world it cannot change otherwise.
It's goal is to seduce, coerce, bribe as many minds as possible to participate in a ruse - a superstitious alternative to a world all despise.
All terms, like 'beauty' become the the reverse of what they originally represented.
So 'beauty' becomes ugliness; 'power' become powerlessness.
Meek shall inherit the earth....power built on powerlessness.
Nihilism becomes a political tool for exploiting and manipulating the world's downtrodden, sickly, desperate, those that feel wronged by nature, that feel that they've unjustly inherited inferior genes, or have been born in poverty when other are born in wealth and priviledge...so it builds power by exploiting the world 'losers' or those who feel like losers.
Natural selection is brutal, after all...so there are plenty of such minds that feel 'victim's of something incomprehensible, to them....so they call it 'evil' because ti does not hear their please, their cries do not melt its resolve....nature is indifferent.
They invented a benevolent, just, loving god to cope....in the afterlife justice will be resorted, see?
This is also why they deny free-will, and morality....having lost confidence in this god.....now they replace this idea with a new one: humanity.
This si why individuals must be stripped of their will, and morality must be nullified so as to then reinvent it to make it more inclusive, more forgiving, more malleable.


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So, do we see also in the Bible and in Church life, that beautiful people are really not wanted as Jesus' followers, since beautiful people are often proud and more independent than the friends of Jesus?
Yes, people with power tend to not need to attain power through association.....nor to constantly flaunt it....nor desire money to gather and hoard it.
Beauty is a form of power...as is intelligence, i.e., physical and/or mental symmetry/proportionality.
Beauty is inherited, requiring minimal personal effort to maintain it, perhaps; but mental symmetry, intelligence, requires stress, exercise, challenges, and cultivation.

Nihilism attracts those who feel powerless.....you feel inadequate and unable to will themselves to cultivate what they've inherited to the maximum; those that cannot cope.

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THE GENEALOGY OF MORALS
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The reader will have already surmised with what ease the priestly mode of valuation can branch off from the knightly aristocratic mode, and then develop into the very antithesis of the latter: special impetus is given to this opposition, by every occasion when the castes of the priests and warriors confront each other with mutual jealousy and cannot agree over the prize. The knightly-aristocratic "values" are based on a careful cult of the physical, on a flowering, rich, and even effervescing healthiness, that goes considerably beyond what is necessary for maintaining life, on war, adventure, the chase, the dance, the tourney—on everything, in fact, which is contained in strong, free, and joyous action. The priestly-aristocratic mode of valuation is—we have seen—based on other hypotheses: it is bad enough for this class when it is a question of war! Yet the priests are, as is notorious, the worst enemies—why? Because they are the weakest. Their weakness causes their hate to expand into a monstrous and sinister shape, a shape which is most crafty and most poisonous. The really great haters in the history of the world have always been priests, who are also the cleverest haters—in comparison with the cleverness of priestly revenge, every other piece of cleverness is practically negligible. Human history would be too fatuous for anything were it not for the cleverness imported into it by the[Pg 30] weak—take at once the most important instance. All the world's efforts against the "aristocrats," the "mighty," the "masters," the "holders of power," are negligible by comparison with what has been accomplished against those classes by the Jews—the Jews, that priestly nation which eventually realised that the one method of effecting satisfaction on its enemies and tyrants was by means of a radical transvaluation of values, which was at the same time an act of the cleverest revenge. Yet the method was only appropriate to a nation of priests, to a nation of the most jealously nursed priestly revengefulness. It was the Jews who, in opposition to the aristocratic equation (good = aristocratic = beautiful = happy = loved by the gods), dared with a terrifying logic to suggest the contrary equation, and indeed to maintain with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of weakness) this contrary equation, namely, "the wretched are alone the good; the poor, the weak, the lowly, are alone the good; the suffering, the needy, the sick, the loathsome, are the only ones who are pious, the only ones who are blessed, for them alone is salvation—but you, on the other hand, you aristocrats, you men of power, you are to all eternity the evil, the horrible, the covetous, the insatiate, the godless; eternally also shall you be the unblessed, the cursed, the damned!" We know who it was who reaped the heritage of this Jewish transvaluation. In the context of the monstrous and inordinately fateful initiative which the Jews have exhibited in connection with[Pg 31] this most fundamental of all declarations of war, I remember the passage which came to my pen on another occasion (Beyond Good and Evil, Aph. 195)—that it was, in fact, with the Jews that the revolt of the slaves begins in the sphere of morals; that revolt which has behind it a history of two millennia, and which at the present day has only moved out of our sight, because it—has achieved victory.

Nietzsche wrote:
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But you understand this not? You have no eyes for a force which has taken two thousand years to achieve victory?—There is nothing wonderful in this: all lengthy processes are hard to see and to realise. But this is what took place: from the trunk of that tree of revenge and hate, Jewish hate,—that most profound and sublime hate, which creates ideals and changes old values to new creations, the like of which has never been on earth,—there grew a phenomenon which was equally incomparable, a new love, the most profound and sublime of all kinds of love;—and from what other trunk could it have grown? But beware of supposing that this love has soared on its upward growth, as in any way a real negation of that thirst for revenge, as an antithesis to the Jewish hate! No, the contrary is the truth! This love grew out of that hate, as its crown, as its triumphant crown, circling wider and wider amid the clarity and fulness of the sun, and pursuing in the very kingdom of light and height its goal of hatred, its victory, its spoil, its strategy,[Pg 32] with the same intensity with which the roots of that tree of hate sank into everything which was deep and evil with increasing stability and increasing desire. This Jesus of Nazareth, the incarnate gospel of love, this "Redeemer" bringing salvation and victory to the poor, the sick, the sinful—was he not really temptation in its most sinister and irresistible form, temptation to take the tortuous path to those very Jewish values and those very Jewish ideals? Has not Israel really obtained the final goal of its sublime revenge, by the tortuous paths of this "Redeemer," for all that he might pose as Israel's adversary and Israel's destroyer? Is it not due to the black magic of a really great policy of revenge, of a far-seeing, burrowing revenge, both acting and calculating with slowness, that Israel himself must repudiate before all the world the actual instrument of his own revenge and nail it to the cross, so that all the world—that is, all the enemies of Israel—could nibble without suspicion at this very bait? Could, moreover, any human mind with all its elaborate ingenuity invent a bait that was more truly dangerous? Anything that was even equivalent in the power of its seductive, intoxicating, defiling, and corrupting influence to that symbol of the holy cross, to that awful paradox of a "god on the cross," to that mystery of the unthinkable, supreme, and utter horror of the self-crucifixion of a god for the salvation of man? It is at least certain that sub hoc signo Israel, with its revenge and transvaluation of all values, has up to the present always triumphed again over[Pg 33] all other ideals, over all more aristocratic ideals.

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An Empire of Lies, rewarding the most gifted liars, could only have based its power on the powerless.
Roots of Americanism is Abrahamism....and they brag about how they built America to what it is today.....an empire of victims seeking redemption, seeking vengeance against?
Against the past....sum of all nurturing is nature...
Against heritage....

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THE GENEALOGY OF MORALS
Nietzsche wrote:
7.

The reader will have already surmised with what ease the priestly mode of valuation can branch off from the knightly aristocratic mode, and then develop into the very antithesis of the latter: special impetus is given to this opposition, by every occasion when the castes of the priests and warriors confront each other with mutual jealousy and cannot agree over the prize. The knightly-aristocratic "values" are based on a careful cult of the physical, on a flowering, rich, and even effervescing healthiness, that goes considerably beyond what is necessary for maintaining life, on war, adventure, the chase, the dance, the tourney—on everything, in fact, which is contained in strong, free, and joyous action. The priestly-aristocratic mode of valuation is—we have seen—based on other hypotheses: it is bad enough for this class when it is a question of war! Yet the priests are, as is notorious, the worst enemies—why? Because they are the weakest. Their weakness causes their hate to expand into a monstrous and sinister shape, a shape which is most crafty and most poisonous. The really great haters in the history of the world have always been priests, who are also the cleverest haters—in comparison with the cleverness of priestly revenge, every other piece of cleverness is practically negligible. Human history would be too fatuous for anything were it not for the cleverness imported into it by the[Pg 30] weak—take at once the most important instance. All the world's efforts against the "aristocrats," the "mighty," the "masters," the "holders of power," are negligible by comparison with what has been accomplished against those classes by the Jews—the Jews, that priestly nation which eventually realised that the one method of effecting satisfaction on its enemies and tyrants was by means of a radical transvaluation of values, which was at the same time an act of the cleverest revenge. Yet the method was only appropriate to a nation of priests, to a nation of the most jealously nursed priestly revengefulness. It was the Jews who, in opposition to the aristocratic equation (good = aristocratic = beautiful = happy = loved by the gods), dared with a terrifying logic to suggest the contrary equation, and indeed to maintain with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of weakness) this contrary equation, namely, "the wretched are alone the good; the poor, the weak, the lowly, are alone the good; the suffering, the needy, the sick, the loathsome, are the only ones who are pious, the only ones who are blessed, for them alone is salvation—but you, on the other hand, you aristocrats, you men of power, you are to all eternity the evil, the horrible, the covetous, the insatiate, the godless; eternally also shall you be the unblessed, the cursed, the damned!" We know who it was who reaped the heritage of this Jewish transvaluation. In the context of the monstrous and inordinately fateful initiative which the Jews have exhibited in connection with[Pg 31] this most fundamental of all declarations of war, I remember the passage which came to my pen on another occasion (Beyond Good and Evil, Aph. 195)—that it was, in fact, with the Jews that the revolt of the slaves begins in the sphere of morals; that revolt which has behind it a history of two millennia, and which at the present day has only moved out of our sight, because it—has achieved victory.

Nietzsche wrote:
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But you understand this not? You have no eyes for a force which has taken two thousand years to achieve victory?—There is nothing wonderful in this: all lengthy processes are hard to see and to realise. But this is what took place: from the trunk of that tree of revenge and hate, Jewish hate,—that most profound and sublime hate, which creates ideals and changes old values to new creations, the like of which has never been on earth,—there grew a phenomenon which was equally incomparable, a new love, the most profound and sublime of all kinds of love;—and from what other trunk could it have grown? But beware of supposing that this love has soared on its upward growth, as in any way a real negation of that thirst for revenge, as an antithesis to the Jewish hate! No, the contrary is the truth! This love grew out of that hate, as its crown, as its triumphant crown, circling wider and wider amid the clarity and fulness of the sun, and pursuing in the very kingdom of light and height its goal of hatred, its victory, its spoil, its strategy,[Pg 32] with the same intensity with which the roots of that tree of hate sank into everything which was deep and evil with increasing stability and increasing desire. This Jesus of Nazareth, the incarnate gospel of love, this "Redeemer" bringing salvation and victory to the poor, the sick, the sinful—was he not really temptation in its most sinister and irresistible form, temptation to take the tortuous path to those very Jewish values and those very Jewish ideals? Has not Israel really obtained the final goal of its sublime revenge, by the tortuous paths of this "Redeemer," for all that he might pose as Israel's adversary and Israel's destroyer? Is it not due to the black magic of a really great policy of revenge, of a far-seeing, burrowing revenge, both acting and calculating with slowness, that Israel himself must repudiate before all the world the actual instrument of his own revenge and nail it to the cross, so that all the world—that is, all the enemies of Israel—could nibble without suspicion at this very bait? Could, moreover, any human mind with all its elaborate ingenuity invent a bait that was more truly dangerous? Anything that was even equivalent in the power of its seductive, intoxicating, defiling, and corrupting influence to that symbol of the holy cross, to that awful paradox of a "god on the cross," to that mystery of the unthinkable, supreme, and utter horror of the self-crucifixion of a god for the salvation of man? It is at least certain that sub hoc signo Israel, with its revenge and transvaluation of all values, has up to the present always triumphed again over[Pg 33] all other ideals, over all more aristocratic ideals.
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The last woman says something very interesting, when asked, if she would date a white guy:
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No, I wouldnt... Because they are too beautiful, I didn't see them as human. Instead, I felt as If I was seeing a movie or a piece of art.

Robert Greene in his 48 Laws of Power:
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Never Appear Too Perfect
Appearing better than others is always dangerous, but most dangerous of all is to appear to have no faults or weaknesses. Envy creates silent enemies. It is smart to occasionally display defects, and admit to harmless vices, in order to deflect envy and appear more human and approachable. Only gods and the dead can seem perfect with impunity.

So, it seems that appearing to be too good in any sense, could be harmful. Better to be average?

Even in mating, I have observed that some of the most beautiful ones (males and females) could be very lonely with not many people approaching them. Conversely; most +100kg fat sluts I know have a bodycount of several dozens. You'd think that fat-assed women would be lonely...? In my experience, that's not the case... They are almost doing better than average.
I don't know if there is any research on this matter, but I think I've heard that in public, people tend to avoid sitting next to attractive people (for example in public transport where there are cases in which choices about where to seat have to be made).

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Mind/Body necessitates different contexts.
So physical symmetry/proportionality, i.e., beauty, is not the same as mental/psychic symmetry/proportionality, i.e., charm, charisma, humour, intelligence...
Sometimes physical beauty lets mental traits to atrophy, resulting in a bad character, no charisma, no intellect...
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Conversely, physical inferiority, forces individuals to cultivate their mental traits.
Well at least almost every stand-up comedian is unattractive, so I think you might be largely right there.
But is it exclusively for this reason that some physically attractive and able people are not necessarily doing so well?
When people see attractive people, do they subconsciously think something like: "alright, so that individual is physically fit, so chances are that he/she is mentally unfit at least to some degree, therefore I don't find him/her attractive"?
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Even strong predators always hunt for the weakest, easiest kill - effort/risk vs reward probabilities.

The path-of-least-resistance governs lifeless existence.
Life follows the path-of-more-resistance....strength and risk/stress tolerance determining how much resistance is chosen.

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One's nature is always exposed by what they direct their animosity or hatred to. Is it any wonder why things like philosophy, creative artistry, imagination are constantly derided by these modern vulgar small minds, and why they religiously worship science?
Discontent is a response to disappointment and an inability to deal with the indifference of reality.

Therefore, answers, solutions, finalities, act as succor for weak spirits, they act as forms of faith.
They need faith in certainty, because to accept nature's indifference, its darkness, would require one to become strong, resilient, courageous. To create their own light.


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Very often I notice seething envy and death stares of women around 55-65 when I pass them by. I am in mid-30s.

Was just wondering if someone of similar age notices the same pattern and how you respond.
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Where do you live, friend?
Why would older women give a 30 year-old male "death stares". if they haven't been provoked?

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Why would older women give a 30 year-old male "death stares". if they haven't been provoked?

Poland. Not sure if they are death stares, I don't even look at them. I just notice a lot of bitterness in women of that age in general in these times. I pass them by and see in periphery they look at me begruged.
For example, yesterday was one on her bicycle, with her husband riding behind her, you know what I mean.
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Are you wearing strange clothes, t-shirts with a swastika......?
Don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe you think they are giving you a "death stare".

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Are you wearing strange clothes, t-shirts with a swastika......?
Don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe you think they are giving you a "death stare".
No. I dress average, gray man. Yeah, could be that I am overthinking.
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Are you a paranoid personality?
Do you often think others are talking about you?
Are you high when these women look at you funny?

Do you have a strange tic, or behavioural distinction?

Is this you? Suspect

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The path-of-least-resistance governs lifeless existence.
Life follows the path-of-more-resistance....strength and risk/stress tolerance determining how much resistance is chosen.

Great insight and actually an inspiring quote. Thanks for that.

I found an interesting take on TikTok by Rich Cooper:
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Women typically aren't attracted to bodybuilders. The guy that's the gymrat that's going to the gym seven days a week, split training, doing two routines a day, preparing all his meals in tupperwear with skinless boneless chicken breast and broccoli, blah blah blah... Women don't typically like that level of dedication to self care

Do you think Rich Cooper is right here? Now, obviously a 130kg bodybuilder with 5% bodyfat is hideous (such are the bodybuilders seen on his videos) but most of the fitness models could be considered bodybuilders since their training is bodybuilding style, not strength training or performance. So I think he could mean more moderate looking "bodybuilders" here.

Now, this is just based on his view or his experiences, since he doesn't provide any data or research to back this. But I found this interesting, since I've always wondered, why Shaolin monks are not considered sex symbols? Or cyclists, since their weekly training volume is among the highest (talking about the level of dedication here!)

Now, our everyday world is not about cycling or perfecting our fighting techniques and aesthetic form by any means, but shouldn't we consider that if our dedication is strong towards some thing, we have greater potential to direct our will to other things too, if necessary? But it seems that our subconscious mind is not considering that


This nigger says, that based on psychology, people are a lot more nervous and less confident around people they perceive more attractive, especially more attractive than themselves or just highly attractive in general.

So the most attractive individuals don't necessarily even get approached, because mediocre individuals are afraid or anxious to approach them?

Would you say, availability is in some sense, attractive quality? I mean, even for females (though it's always said that women go for superior male). But I've found personally in many female and male individuals, that the more attractive, more intelligent etc... individuals almost think of themselves as part of a different class... Among equals, I've found, there is often some good-natured chaff and raillery; whereas the individuals of greater quality (let's put it that way) could be straightout mean or atleast their respond and appearance could be cold, perhaps a little arrogant... towards the individuals that are of less quality.
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Women typically aren't attracted to bodybuilders. The guy that's the gymrat that's going to the gym seven days a week, split training, doing two routines a day, preparing all his meals in tupperwear with skinless boneless chicken breast and broccoli, blah blah blah... Women don't typically like that level of dedication to self care

Do you think Rich Cooper is right here? Now, obviously a 130kg bodybuilder with 5% bodyfat is hideous (such are the bodybuilders seen on his videos) but most of the fitness models could be considered bodybuilders since their training is bodybuilding style, not strength training or performance. So I think he could mean more moderate looking "bodybuilders" here.

Now, this is just based on his view or his experiences, since he doesn't provide any data or research to back this. But I found this interesting, since I've always wondered, why Shaolin monks are not considered sex symbols? Or cyclists, since their weekly training volume is among the highest (talking about the level of dedication here!)

Now, our everyday world is not about cycling or perfecting our fighting techniques and aesthetic form by any means, but shouldn't we consider that if our dedication is strong towards some thing, we have greater potential to direct our will to other things too, if necessary? But it seems that our subconscious mind is not considering that


This nigger says, that based on psychology, people are a lot more nervous and less confident around people they perceive more attractive, especially more attractive than themselves or just highly attractive in general.

So the most attractive individuals don't necessarily even get approached, because mediocre individuals are afraid or anxious to approach them?

Would you say, availability is in some sense, attractive quality?
In the beautiful mind movie they have a scene that explains the cost/benefit analysis occurring subconsciously.

Attractive people are usually high maintenance.
Being with them entails the constant risk of being replaced - since they have multiple options that present themselves to them without any effort on their part.

Bodybuilders are a modern variant of what was once called a Dandy...Metrosexual.
Anyone that puts that much effort on his/her appearance is not someone you want to be with.
Narcissism....demanding, could be aspects of their personality.
Furthermore, bodybuilders have an unnatural look. Females prefer the swimmers physique - muscled and flexible - utilitarian.


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I mean, even for females (though it's always said that women go for superior male). But I've found personally in many female and male individuals, that the more attractive, more intelligent etc... individuals almost think of themselves as part of a different class... Among equals, I've found, there is often some good-natured chaff and raillery; whereas the individuals of greater quality (let's put it that way) could be straightout mean or atleast their respond and appearance could be cold, perhaps a little arrogant... towards the individuals that are of less quality.
Yes...humanity is forming into ideological clans, expressed as lifestyles, or musical dietary, spiritual, political preferences.

Comic book superhero/supervillains are representations of these memetic tribes/clans, reflecting a shared psychology, manifesting as distinct appearances: image.
Every clan has their own idols/icons and image - a look.

All this overrides all previous ethnic/racial identities - antithetical to a shared culture.
It's all manufactured, artificial.
Americanism = culture-of-no-culture.


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This is the appeal of Americanism to the modern/postmodern psyche.
Individuals can choose which "culture" they will belong to, from among what is permitted, and provided on the markets.

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Getting approached is highly dependent on demeanor.
Attractive people do get approached if they signal that they are open to it.
Of course, if one is attractive and all the attention has made them very selective and they signal their unavailability in general then they'll get approached less.

On the other hand, if one is less attractive (depending on the context, romantically or socially or competency wise) one gets approached less, even if they signal openness.
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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyThu Nov 09, 2023 2:56 am

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In the beautiful mind movie they have a scene that explains the cost/benefit analysis occurring subconsciously.
Yes, I remember that one. And that one I totally get, since the men there were being very rational, picking the not-stunning women to make everybody happy. BUT do women do this too? I mean, with women it's always this conflict of gene/meme, but can they consciously think that they don't want to take the risk of dating a high-maintenance guy?

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There's a reddit thread of women discussing this; and some of the women (if we assume the writers are actually women) seem to have pretty rational train of thought... don't date too good-looking guy because there are certain risks... who knew?

Satyr wrote:
Attractive people are usually high maintenance.
Being with them entails the constant risk of being replaced - since they have multiple options that present themselves to them without any effort on their part.
So... do women fear this risk of being replaced too?

I have several male friends, who have picked the not-too-attractive woman because they wanted a lasting relationship with children and not to worry that the woman is fucking around... This is in my opinion something like we saw in Beautiful Mind movie. The problem I see in this kind of behavior is, what if the woman fucks around anyway, even though the male ensured that the woman is of a kind that don't have too many options... and even if the male ensured that he was the best one she could get. Because what I see, women don't always mate up. So what does this do to a man's self-esteem, finding out that his wife cheated with a clearly inferior man? That's why this dating way down as a male, is not seeming a tempting stratefy for me.

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Even strong predators always hunt for the weakest, easiest kill - effort/risk vs reward probabilities.
Great analogy. So could we apply this analogy such a way that we see women also as pretators (I mean, especially in these feminized times when males become more and more passive and women become aggressive?)
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Illiterate wrote:
Yes, I remember that one. And that one I totally get, since the men there were being very rational, picking the not-stunning women to make everybody happy. BUT do women do this too? I mean, with women it's always this conflict of gene/meme, but can they consciously think that they don't want to take the risk of dating a high-maintenance guy?
Women buy, men sell.
So, women like shopping....
They can marry, or maintain a relationship with a 'nice guy' and fuck around on the side, sampling sperm.

There was a study, back in the fifties in the US, and they found that 1 in 5 children did not belong to the man of the house, and he didn't know it.
Women like to diversify.
They like mixing and synthesizing, like with their wardrobe.


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There's a reddit thread of women discussing this; and some of the women (if we assume the writers are actually women) seem to have pretty rational train of thought... don't date too good-looking guy because there are certain risks... who knew?
They won't establish a relationship but will fuck him.
This is where the "playa" comes from.

Attractive women are risky because they are being propositioned constantly; presented with alternate options continuously; offered better options on a daily basis.
Without her having to do anything but be present.
Beauty is power.


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So... do women fear this risk of being replaced too?
Women especially.
For them becoming pregnant makes them vulnerable so they need a stable mate - a provider protector.

The state fills in, but emotionally this is not enough.
They need a nice, stable, balanced, loyal male....and then they can fuck around on the side.



Illiterate wrote:
So what does this do to a man's self-esteem, finding out that his wife cheated with a clearly inferior man? That's why this dating way down as a male, is not seeming a tempting stratefy for me.
It is why alpha-males do not become emotionally entangled.
Beta-males always do.



Illiterate wrote:
Great analogy. So could we apply this analogy such a way that we see women also as pretators (I mean, especially in these feminized times when males become more and more passive and women become aggressive?)
Women are more like scavengers.....not hunters, but gatherers.
Samplers, shoppers....they love diversity because it expands their options.

This "diversity is a strength" appeals to the feminine.

Even a woman in love with an alpha, her soul-mate, will fall out of love in 5-7 years.
It's biology.
The hormones will dissipate and her passion will become ennui or resentment.
If there's nothing more than erotic lust, then the relationship is over for her. She may settle for other reasons.
For the kids, economics, social pressures, convenience, low self-esteem etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Resentment towards superior from mediocrity Resentment towards superior from mediocrity EmptyThu Nov 09, 2023 7:44 am

Sex is an Asset.

Think of women as every female inheriting $1,000,000.00 while males inherit nothing. It's not "fair". It's not "equal". Because there is no "gender equality". The inverse is true. Male and Female are, fundamentally, by nature of genetics, NOT equal. Females have an inherited asset (Sex) that males do not.

This is why males become "equal", in sexual value, at different points in life. Some males become physically strong. Some males become smarter. Some males become funny and popular. Some males inherit good looks (male beauty, handsome). Some males inherit money from their parents.

For males, they either "equalize" with the value of females, at which point we become 'desirable' to the opposite-sex, or many males fail to do so (Incels/MGTOW). Some males become more valuable sexualy than females, early on. Most males 'equalize' at a later point in life (30-35), when males accrue monetary Assets (house, property, car, independence, etc).

Then there are the "bad boys", the bad-boy factor, high testosterone, which is innately attractive to females. A male with high-testosterone, "criminal", is very attractive to young women who want to 'tame' the bad-boy with their sexuality. High testosterone is, perhaps, the natural 'equivalent' to a young woman's sexual value.

But, most men are not high-testosterone. Most are average or lower (again, Incels).
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