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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 17 EmptySun Oct 20, 2019 2:16 pm

The first vid reminds me of 80% of ILP members.
Degenerates have common psychologies.
They ban anyone who threatens to expose their duplicity and then claim that their positions are irrefutable......free to brag and posture and declare victory and announce how gold-like and what genius' they are; constructing caricatures of their enemies to easily dismiss and return to their self-congratulatory, sardonic socializing.
Just hanging out and shooting the shit, and in between announcements of absolute truths...like infomercials.
Marketing in the market-age; image making and promoting - self is the brand; soap-box messiahs selling salvation and power to the lost and powerless, the desperate and degenerating.
What keeps one from join the personality-cult of the other, is pure ego - subjective and proud in their self praising powers - worlds in and of themselves.

Transgenders and homos are "born that way", but females are socially constructed.  
Sounds about right.
It's all subjective...no way to objectively determine what is correct and what incorrect.
Appearances matter....only within the market-place....outside of it, it's all superficial.  

We have reached the "end of philosophy"...we are at a pinnacle. Nothing more to think or discover...so we can all die happy, about living in the end of times, as the "last men".
Philosophy has debunked itself. It was all nonsense. The meaning of life is '42'...if we manipulate the numbers some profound symbolisms will emerge. Try it...it works.
Let's fuck and get high, let's get drunk before we die....but no conditions. I mean, everything is conditioned, except in human relationships - here unconditional love ought to be the goal.
love as alpha & omega. Hedonism.

Christians are the only ones permitted to criticize because they are part of the same family.
Many have stability; families, a community to support them.....whereas others are lost in a sea of madness.
Only a nihilist can comment on another nihilist's beliefs. Only slaves can comment on slaves. Only degenerates can be critical of other degenerates.
The rest "don't know" the lifestyle; the joys and pains.

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Psychology 101, straight off the internets.
Just attach "phobia" behind the protected class. Or "miso"...in the front.

This degenerate is a walking regurgitator of popular wisdom he found on google searches.
Paternalism is outdated and evil...check.
Gender roles are social constructs....check.
Faggots are adorable, and only sickos and the sexually frustrated are afraid of their harmless flamboyance....check.
There's more...but he is a walkin'talkin check list. Above his "pay grade", as it were.

Explains a lot.
Ha!!!

Homosexuals will destroy the world?
Who said that?
Probably the same guy who said homosexuality is "unnatural".
He must be a dumb-ass if such imbeciles are laughing at him...whoever he or she is.

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This is a thread about desperation and degeneracy, so we can expect all forms of desperation and degeneracy to be the subject.
Not only homosexuality, but paedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, incels, narcotics and addictions, sexual dysfunctions and obsessions, cRap, and fArt...
Modernity
We are talking about symptoms.
If we were interested in a specific disease, infecting a specific species, then every symptom would be analysed and understood in relation to health...or normality.
The exception in relation to a rule, is interesting when it offers a disadvantage that condemns the specific organism to specific negative consequences.
A disease is not studies in relation to global overpopulation, trendiness, popularity, feelings, preferences etc.

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The desperate degenerate feels a vindictive pleasure with any idea concerning ends - telos.
For him his death ought to be the end, because he has no claim on the future - he is un-invested in the present, and he has rejected the past.
The nil is the absolute end.
Negation of all, past and future, leaving only the present to waste away using chemicals and distractions....and any type of pleasure - hedonism is the compensating validation of his existence.

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The only thing that's ending is the bread and circus - many see it as the end of the world, Armageddon. They're dependent on the act, the continual distraction as the clowns make the decline 'funny' and they tell their neighbors to 'shush' and eat the bread if they talk about how the real ring of fire is spreading around the tent, or the act isn't an 'act' at all, or - even more heretically - not funny.


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If you put a font size over 28 it will not register....I edited your 32 to a 28.

Teleology - the addiction to absolute ends, absolute perfection, absolute truth, omnipotence, omniscience - is an addiction found primarily among Desperate Degenerates - of both types, i.e., those who declare an absolute positive and those who declare an absolute negative.
This is my division of "pure nihilism" versus "positive nihilism' - the two poles in a bipolar psychosis - reflected in philosophy and politics - as Left/Right...esoteric/exoteric....chaos/order...spiritual/secular...etc.
Nihilism being a defensive ideology emerging as man becomes self-aware - exposing him to how he relates, compares, with others.
The goal is absolute indifference. To be absolutely self-determined...as opposed to being absolutely determined.
The best conflicts occurs between these two types of nihilistic psychosis, because in the process of conflict both are exposed as what they are, rather than what they pretend to be.
So Abrahamism competing with Marxism, is a revealing conflict.

Realism - paganism - remains outside this bipolar nihilistic paradigm.
Theirs is self-referential, using the triangulation of subject/motive/subject....a circularity which contrasts with the value-judgements of realists/pagans which is subject/motive/object....object being the real world, the experienced world.
To symbolize it another way the triad phenomenon/semiology/noumenon is in nihilism inverted as such: noumenon/semiology/noumenon. A complete, whole enclosure - mysticism. A circular singularity.
Nihilists replace phenomenon with another noumenon - so mind referring to text referring to another mind.
The idol is the mind that its the final reference completing the circle - some idolized mentor, teacher, to which they defer and continuously refer, because there is no reality they can refer to, having rejected or denied its relevance.
So ends and beginning, for such minds are total, final, complete...whole and eternal - absolute.

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We notice in the triad subject/motive/object that the part referring to the dynamic essence of flux - i.e., of existence - is the "motive".
Here we place the "will", but only in regards to living organisms....outside living organisms there is no "motive," there is only movement.
What differentiates the living from the non-living is that movement has a motive.
We can say that movement is not a choice but choice - represented by motive - is the taking control, accepting responsibility....it is the act of willing.  
Adopting Heidegger's imagery...throwness....we are thrown into existence without our connect, and we gradually gain some control (power) over our momentum and direct it, as much as possible, towards a desired objective - this is motive. The extent of our free-will is expressed in this motive that directs the organism's awakening to its movement - its existence. Motive is expressed through [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

In Desperate degenerate language, placed within their self-referential nihilism, the subject/motive/subject motive is expressed only in language - therefore if they declare themselves victors, or genius, or messiahs, or powerful, or self-crating, this is true for them, because there is no objective world, no objective standard to prove or disprove this - the standard is the subject itself....which can be itself, or some other mind - usually sharing the same psychosis.
So, the subject is the motive/movement towards the self, validated by itself. No external standard is accepted...ergo objectivity  is evil or undesired, i.e., fascistic, authoritarian, imposing, limiting etc. They must imagine it as another wilful, (with motive) subject....it is an external subject imposing itself into their self-serving, self-validating circularity.

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When I say only Christianity can critique Abrahamism, from the inside out, I imply that the Desperate Degenerate can only be thoroughly exposed by another Desperate Degenerate.
There's a shared foundation, an intimacy, that unleashes pathos from the controlling and concealing processes of reason. The internalized chaos has to be revealed, unforgotten, taken out of its concealment beneath reason, ordering.
Reason can reason anything and everything away.

The "pure nihilist" is the most passionate antagonist of the "positive nihilist" - and vice versa - because both operate within a shared ideological framework - both are part of the same self-referential binary; both reject the phenomenon, the experienced world, as the standard. It's all esoteric, psychological, ideological, noetic, i.e., subjective.
Both have cultivated, learned, adopted defensive measures against their shared enemy, i.e., objective, indifferent, fluctuating, reality, albeit from two opposite psychological perspectives.
Nothing real will ever disturb them....they have learned to select and to apply selectively.
It's what they are both most proud of, their Will to Power, their self-creating self-willed; one by fabricating an alternative reality - more positive towards hem than the real - and the other by negating all threats to their well-being, their tranquillity, including the real; both using semiotics, forged into ideologies, to cope with reality.
Their dialogue - debate - is about which semiotic method is more effective and efficient. A competition over style.

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In the nihilistic paradigm man can impose his will upon the world, but not physically, but noetically - via symbols/words - ideologically.
The world no longer shapes man's ideologies, his beliefs, but man changes the world, by the sheer power of his will, using semiotics - words/numbers. He thinks an alternate reality into existence.

This is what they mean by their mantra "all is subjective".
It means all is of the mind. There is nothing beyond the mind's convictions.
Some pure ones, realize the delusion and settle for the 'nothing' which is beyond the mind.
from the 'there is nothing outside the mind' we progress to the 'there is nothing beyond the mind' - narcissism, egotism. The world is nothing. There is only mind.

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Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity, because the Christians has Hellenism - an antithetical world-view - whereas the tribes that became Muslim only had a primitive form of paganism, with no great traditions and texts, except for Zoroastrianism, which was also monotheistic.
Zoroastrianism explains the current divide between Shi'ite and Sunni.

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Notice how manipulation is based on the presence of desperation, offering degeneracy as a form of personal salvation.
Nihilists are exploited and this is why Nihilism is a powerful political and ideological tool.
It is most effect because it is entirely void of substance - having nothing to do with a world it denies, as part of its seductive offering.
It uses obscurantism to conceal and to remain seductive to the majority - its vagueness remaining malleable to each individual psychological need/desire. There is no stringent, limiting, world to impose understanding, and there is no cost, no severity, to misunderstanding.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 17 EmptyTue Oct 22, 2019 7:18 am

A common understanding of the world comes to us from pop-culture.
For example, the idea that that resentment of the mother leads, with linear precision, to misogyny is a common trope....particularly among simplistic minds, as Desperate Degenerates are. The system delivers these defensive psychological weapons through every pop-cultural production. generation, in the "west", have been trained in this pop-psychology, as a defence against anything that challenges their degeneracy.  
It's Freudean in origin; that explanation that associates the relationship of child and parent with sexuality.
Conversely, resentment of mother may not result in hatred of women but it can manifest in self-hatred and in the idealization of other....but I need to unpack this.

As a preliminary step let us appreciate how generations of imbeciles have been given this defensive excuse to explain away any negative critique directed towards them or that which they love, i.e., nihilism. We see this clearly even in the latest film Joker. How do they explain his psychosis?
The same underlying explanation is delivered through allegory; offering the usual explanation concerning to how someone like that is produced by a "good benevolent" well-intentioned, freedom loving, system. But it's how they explain any negative effect or failure the system produces.
We see it in the Bible when they try to explain how evil emerges by a creation by an absolutely good god.
All this follows, like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
Say anything about anyone, and the group he/she belongs to is either hated or envied. This seeps into American politics.
Why do "terrorists" attack the US?
Because they envy American freedoms.
Envy produces hatred, simultaneousness taking for granted the "goodness" which is unjustifiably hated because it is so good and perfect.
Say anything negative about the nihilistic system's protected groups - i.e., females, effete males (homosexuals, beta-males etc.), and blacks - and the same defensiveness arises automatically. There's no reasoning involved...like an autoimmune reaction to a perceive negative threat to a collective well-being.
Because nothing negative can ever be said, unless it is about a threatening group. All else must be affirmed positively...if you are slightly negative then you resent and/or you envy the one being critiqued....usually both.

But resenting a mother by a son does not automatically lead to misogyny. It might, but not always. Sometimes it leads to self-hatred and the idealization of females, particularly those most unlike the mother.

A boy, or girl, does not sexualize the parent, during the early years.
It doesn't see in the parent's negative traits a group identifier. At first it fears the parent's negative traits which it associates with negative actions....and as it becomes older and its self-awareness increases, it perceives the same traits it fears in itself.
This is most true for boys who usually identify with the mother; and girls who usually identify with the father.
The parent's negative traits produce anxiety in the child, and as it realized it has inherited these traits it directs its resentment for self, towards the parent it associates with these traits.
As sex becomes a factor, the boy who sees the mother's traits in himself - and a girl who sees the father's - will passionately resent the parent, and himself through them.
This means that any member of the opposite sex that does not possess these resented and feared traits is idolized - the other is raised on a pedestal as the ideal that is not "I".
Such a boy will idolize females most unlike their mother; the girl men most unlike the father.
What is not like self, is absolutely good - self is mutable, divisible, corruptible, imperfect, ergo the other is the absolute opposite.
The man-child and prissy-girl will seek this ideal in every member of the opposite sex it comes across, never managing to find it in its pure, perfect, absolute form.

A different explanation can be sought in the simple reaction to toxicity.
Most use "hate" as a child does when confronted with a food it dislikes and feels nauseous when it is forced upon him/her.
It says "hate" - "I hate Brussels sprouts!!" when it means "That makes me want to vomit"...a mistakes that carries into adulthood.
"I hate that colour" or "I hate that perfume" or "I hate that movie"....it's all associated with hatred....ergo "Misogyny"...and if you feel nauseous when thinking of homosexual copulation you must also "hate homosexuals", and if you say anything negative about Negroes then you either "fear the different" or you "hate what is different", i.e., xenophobia. If you do not want your culture to be replaced by another then you must be "xenophobic".
Ergo, it follows from this emotional "logic" that if you react negatively to a virus - getting a fever and vomiting your guts out, as your body tries to rid itself of an alien entity - then you must also be innately viraphobic; and if faecal matter makes you nauseous then it is really a resentment rooted in your hated of the different, and a secret envy of it - perhaps copranophobia; and if you have anything negative to say about being absorbed into another organism - eaten - then this must be a product of your fear of otherness and a clinging to the "illusion of self".

It's all reduced down to a phobia or to hate, usually rooted in envy.
It's so simplistic and infantile that it works when you are dealing with populations that have been degraded and degenerated down to a state of perpetual infancy.

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The most infantile strategy a Desperate degenerate employs, in his desperation, is the "I know I am, but so are you" counter.
At its root it presumes parity in an absolute state of being....i.e., it cannot process degrees and levels - like doing a mathematical problem using 1, and its multipliers, and 0; then refusing to use fractions, or the decimal point.
A Nihilist is encased in absolute dualities.
In the absolute one and/or nil, it finds comfort, certainty, equality...a relief from distinction, because it is absorbed in a collective. It vanishes in the collective oneness, or its nullification.
It's personal identity - exposed as being imperfect - self-hatred is the pathos of self-destruction - is assimilated into a uniformity of an absolute - his/her physical, tangible, real, imperfections are absorbed into the idea/ideal perfection of the one, or erased by the absolute negation of the one, the nil.
All fractions implode or explode into a singularity or the void of nothingness.

I am other; other is I.
We are one and the same - or we are nothing.  

The Desperate Degenerate feels relieved to know desperation lies in all life, as a potential, and degeneracy as well. A necrophiliac is just as degenerate as a man with a foot-fetish, and a paedophile is no different than a guy who likes to role-play with his wife, or that secretly fantasizes about other women.
There's a equality in the plebeian mind - herd psychology.
If you are not absolutely so - not omnipotent/omniscient - then you are no different than anyone else - equally powerless and ignorant.
If you are not absolutely objective then you must be just as subjective as everyone else.

Any divergence from the uniform whole must be a claim of the opposite absolute.

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The idea is...that if you critique something negatively then you must be immune, or outside the critique.
So, if you critique women then it must be because of sexual frustration or because you are male.
Some claim to being excluded must be at work....because only positive things can ever be said about those you belong to, or identify with.
This is the either/or psychosis of Desperate Degenerates.
The self, or anything identifying you, must be praised - painted as absolute good.
if it is not, then the absolute opposite must be the case - one criticizes it as an absolute other, or nothing.
the idea of degrees, objectivity, cannot be processed by such psychotics.
It's not that the idea is complex, but that they are immersed in the nihilistic paradigm offering them some form of relief from an indifferent, fluctuating, existence that is neither absolutely ordered not absolutely chaotic.
A relief from uncertainty, an awakening self-consciousness that reveals to the ego the imperfections of the self, in relation to otherness.

Love is perfect or it is perfectly hatred.
If you see something negative in the loved one then it must mean you secretly hate them, if you see something positive in the hated one then it must mean you secretly love them.
See, empathy is either sympathy or antipathy.
There is nothing outside this duality - this binary.


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An empire built on words with no substance, like the U.S. is an Empire built on lies and pretences. When its power declines there's nothing left to hold it together but ideologies with no backing, i.e., caveat money (money with no resources to back it), identities based on market supply/demand (trends, fashions, popularity), etc.
It manufactures consent and unity; it manufactures desperate degenerates by the millions - males with no families, no fathers no future, no investment in the system, nothing but money to purchase what they lack.
Single mothers raising boys and girls, to become degenerate, and in their vacant degeneracy to become desperate, seeking relief in chemicals and in hedonism; seeking what they lack in pop-culture and in vapid icons and idols.
An empire attempting to unify disparate peoples and culture with semantics void of substance; obscurantism, spreading superstitions, and philosophy based on words with no reference to anything experienced, is destined to a certain implosion, at the first sign of an external force greater than its internal nihilistic 'house of cards'.

An empire with no common blood, is like a balloon in the wind. When it is hot, it can direct its mass; but when the heat subsides it is taken away by the slightest of gusts.
an empire built on an abstraction - freedom, liberty - most its its own citizens do not believe in, is doomed. Heterogeneous postulation need more than a common ideology and a shared victim identity to remain united - they need a common threat, and when this enemy proves to be superior there is nothing left to keep them together.
A shared ear unites but it also divides when it ceases to be shared.

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When you've raised entire generations on philosophies with no reference to reality - where even the tangible identity of male/female is debated, and race is denied relevance....when you've cultivated obscurantism and superstitions founded on words with no connections to anything experienced, and you've manufactured an economic system based on money with no backing by tangible resources, then you've constructed an Empire of smoke & mirrors.
Freedom is not even believed in by the Americans who use the term like they use the word "god", or "humanity", i.e., an ideology with no reference to reality; with no reference to anything tangible, experienced, perceived - a noetic empire built on noetic constructs.
How can heterogeneous populations remain united when the unifying abstractions fades away and nothing is left to hold it together.
Genes produce memes...but if memes are disconnected from the physical, then what substance remains to preserve them when they are tested?
Nihilistic memes are entirely noetic - theoretical, abstract - ideologies with no contact with reality - entirely theoretical.
Look at the unifying ideology of the American Empire...."Liberty".
A meaningless word....ideological through and through.
They do not even connect it to the action of choice any longer because this would expose how un-free Americans are...choosing between 2 options - classic nihilistic dualism - binaries.
They choose from products that are all the same - and only the packaging differs.

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The pinnacle of philosophy is value ontology, which is the explicated demand of the will to power; will to power understood as a task, rather than as a catchphrase.

Even you, comparatively strong of integrity, aren't capable of staring down your own "agon" (the struggle, friction of multiplicity brought about by the one principle) without seeking release in some feigned contempt for an other, whom you refuse to engage directly, battle.

Your analysis of world events is pretty good, but your analysis of psychology is weak.

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My poor boy...you came out of hiding.
VO is a reinvention of Christianity, replacing "love" with the word "value"...both meaningless outside their proper use.
My analysis of psychology is what brought you here. Politics is psychology, you poor pathetic man-child. I can't be right about geopolitics and be wrong about humans. Humans are part of geopolitics.

That life is selfish is not a ground-breaking revelation - that life's materials are attracted to themselves is nothing new; that humans finds what offers them an advantage, a growth in power, is not something new. Confusing life with the non-living is also a old, an ancient, superstition.
I've covered that (Interactions & Interpretations) without having to resort to mysticism, obscurantism and prose, in order to attract lost effete men-children. Poetics is how women hide their simplicity; seducing as they are seduced.  
You are desperate for attention and have gathered a group of worshippers to share your narcissism.  
So full of yourself, you cannot help but shower self-praise and gather sycophants to help you bath in your own self-love - hiding a deep insecurity that must be compensated for. You are an endless stream of self-congratulation - positive feedback your kind calls it - repeating it to be echoed back; trying to believe it yourself.  

Reinventing Christianity with a dose of corrupted Nietzsche to make it immune to future critiques, is a strategy of evolving the same virus - an upgrade? Nah...the same shit different branding.
Trying to proselytize, by reinventing Nietzsche into a Kabbalistic prophet - poor man, he predicted how he would be posthumously abused and misused. Itwill only work on degenerates. You are doomed to attract those like you - of an inferior grade.  
My standard is reality. Not text.

What brings you here is my spirit....having an effect where I am denied access - imagine what effect I would have if I were permitted in. I would take the place over...as I had when they banned me.
An effect you cannot replicate. Though you try, and try again....or...is it because you so desperately try that you so predictably fail? Like the effect Nietzsche had on you...or the "commander".

My interest in VO is nil - I know exactly what it is and it is nothing more, no matter how much flowery obscurantism and superstitious mysticism you cloud it in - ....my interest in you is only as a specimen of modern decay. A very flamboyant one. But ILP is full of self-aggrandizing psychotics - all wannabe Messiahs, all "genius", all crazy; all desperate & degenerate men-children - to remain on-topic -...well not all...but most.
You are a part of the "chosen ones"...but are you? Not according to your own traditions. Excluded from that bloodline, as you are from the other.
Though converting and integrating Brian into the van clan, has failed....you did manage to smell the desperation you smell on yourself - you recognized yourself in him -...and you thought it would be easy. His "integrity" attracted you, because you have none...only he's not all there either. A traumatized lost soul, looking for friends, he is.
But he's a different kind of nihilist....the opposite side of the spectrum.
You are a narcissist and a schizophrenic....he is a psychopath and a cynic. Huge egos. Will not mix.

p.s.,
You think I did not see Netherlands and then Montreal...a message exchanged. Then a visit...
For months....for years. A pattern.
Now run long before you get hurt and you begin threatening and posturing.

Keep declaring....it may stick.
"I am the greatest mind that has ever lived"
"VO is the pinnacle of philosophy"
"I am the true and only inheritor of Nietzsche"
I don't know who this simplistic method works on...but you deserve them, whoever they are.

"Battle"...HA!! You are a little boy living out his fantasies on-line - misusing language to influence illiterate desperate degenerates like yourself, with romantic drivel and not so well-crafted prose - cRAP word-associations, with triggers and hooks.

Let me make it easier for ya...just declare victory from now...why go through the entire charade? I mean you will....It's inevitable. You will, even if it is in private.

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There's nothing more attractive to a woman than a man who sees through her bullshit her "feminine mystique", and sees her as she is.
She feels exposed, in a very intimate way.
It is what Desperate Degenerates cannot ignore. They are effete and emasculated, seduced and seducing using the same feminine techniques.
A selling of the potential for pleasure. A promise of eternity, through her mediation. A comforting welcoming womb, begging to be full-filled.
She wants to be swept off her feet, as she intoxicates males with her pretences.

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When a man is honest, and humble before the gods - allegory for natural order - then a man's influence is the channelling of natural forces - an agent of reality.
No lies, word-games, feminine linguistics, can compete with this.
No man, or woman, can deal with the world using language games, prose, poetics, obscurantism, mysticism, superstition...the most he can manage is to hide, and feel comforted by the idea that he has escaped, has immunized himself - unable to entirely believe it himself, he gathers the like-minded to create an echo chamber, a linguistic womb of desperation and degeneracy - If it persists such minds will dream of being reborn as someone else - exiting the noetic womb into an alternate reality - a different world form the one they fled from into the cave, the womb.

A degenerate allegory of pure desperation.

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This thread reminds me of this...


Describe them....and they will come.
HA!!!
It's funny how you do not even have to direct your description to someone specific, but to a general type that is true and real. Those whoa re it will recognize themselves in the description, because ti is real, and not a theory, and they will gather to declare themselves exempt or the description to be too general and theoretical to apply to them.
Yet, if it were they would not have recognized themselves in it, and they would not haver mistake the general for something directed specifically at them.

This is how specimens make of themselves the evidence they then reject or claim is not given - hey are the pragmatic in the theory; they are the real in the idea being described; they are the evidence they pretend not to see.  
They are the theory brought "down to earth".
HA!!!!

Their only defence the old school-yard taunt...
"I know I am, but so are you".
Yes, pathetic children....learn to think in degrees, not in absolutes.
Power does not mean omnipotence, but degrees of weakness; omniscience does not exist, only degrees of knowledge and understanding.
Superior/Inferior...not perfect/imperfect...not god/man...not absolute order or absolute chaos.
Degrees!!!
Gradations!!!!
Levels!!!!!
Fractions of one, not one/nil.
Allegories, representing fluctuating states, not allegories describing a absolute states.
Noumena representing phenomena; not phenomena representing noumena.
Ideas and Ideals referring to the real; not the real referring to ideas and ideals.
Words rooted in reality; not reality rooted in words. Words properly used, not used to produce an effect; words used to reveal not to conceal; words to shed light, not to cast shadows to obscure and in the shadows manufacture a superstitious delusion. .

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Desperate Degenerates have degenerated to the point where they cannot comprehend what "investment in the future" means....when they pretend to understand more complex ambiguous philosophical contexts, full of poetic language and idealogical contraptions.
Some are so self-deceiving they will not permit themselves to understand.

How does a mortal life-form attain an investment in the future it will not live to experience?
How does it remain un-invested in the welfare of the system it participates in?

What does "fitness" mean in biological contexts; in Evolution Theory?
What does it mean in socio-economic contexts?
Is this hard to grasp?
Only when you are a coward, a hypocrite, or a total imbecile.
That covers 99% of the Western population.


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Nihilism has become so ingrained in the psycho-synthesis of western population that they indulge in a form of wish-fulfilment.
They cannot even imagine the US not being the one and only Hyper-Power, across the ages, for an eternity.
In their minds they are at the 'end of times,' or are the 'last men', and we are at an end, not only of philosophy, but of politics, culture, civilization.
The 'positive nihilist' imagines it as a height, which cannot be surpassed, except lost.
The 'pure nihilist' rejoices that after he dies nothing will come...literally....nothing. He is the final end....the world has reached an end...sop he need not care about the future because it is nothing. When he dies, the world ends. most are un-invested in the future, so this is a case of 'sour grapes' - for some it's all about ego; they refuse to even consider that future people will know things he does not. He must be the final end, the top.

This spills over into politics.
The U.S. cannot be replaced because it is the final end of all civilizations - the pinnacle of culture, as a culture-of-no-culture. After it...nothing but barbarism and chaos.
The natural cycles of ascent and decline do not apply for nihilists - or they apply selectively.
Here, precedent indicating phases of civilizations, do not apply to the U.S. It is the end - the final civilization, populated by the 'last civilized men'.

Sometimes degenerates produce self-fulfilling prophesies. This is most true of religious fanatics/zealots, like all Abrahamics are to one degree or another. In the west religious zealots have been replaced by political fanatics - because Abrahamism has morphed into secular variants of nihilism, i.e., Humanism, Marxism, Liberalism, post-Modernism....
From Christians - see Christian history - to Judaism to Islam.
Fanaticism reaches a feverish pitch when they are in decline - this is when they become most dangerous - and then subsides and calms down - as is currently the case with Christianity.
Bad times triggers desperation, which seeks relief in degeneracy....and good times suppresses degeneracy by calming, soothing desperation.

We are now in a phase of rising desperation in the west, i.e., in the American Empire.
Degeneracy will reach a peak before it subsides as a new empire replaces this one and populations shift philosophical and spiritual perspectives.

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Here's the thing....one absolutist trend' causes the emergence of an equal and opposite absolutist trend.
a conversation in the Adyton reminded me.
This fashion of vegetarianism that has been spread among emasculated men-children, is producing a reaction of meatism....
This is what I meant by hyper-Masculinity being a by-product of Feminization...and why feminism promote the 'masculinization of women' as a compensation for the void being left when males are emasculated.

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The hard truth about Desperate Degenerates and how they are usually found among the incels, the excluded and unappreciated...is that they are rightfully selected out of the gene pool by female choice.
If not for 'evil' Paternalism most males alive today would not be alive at all.

Paternalism integrated males of a specific tribe, because it had to compete with other Paternalistic tribes.
Males naturally excluded from the future were made investors by restricting both female and male promiscuity.
Most should have been excluded....because, like I've said many times before, success and dominance seeds the conditions of its own obsolescence.
This situation leads to civilizational decline...because too many unfit, fucked-up males and females, reproduce - are helped to reproduce, are urged to reproduce though many do not want to.
Unfit mutations are propagated when they produce a disadvantage to the organism.  

Natural selection is cruel...no it is indifferent.

But males to crate stable systems that can compete and resist foreigners, produce technologies - monogamy and marriage is a technology - which propagated mutations that are disadvantageous.
Then they have to invent new technologies to deal with these disadvantages.
Then, finally you get Anti-Fa types, and Liberals, and this Modernism so many adore because ti is so forgiving, and safe.

But that's not objective thinking....that's emotional subjective thinking.

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Stefan Molyneux wrote:
If you don't have - or want - kids, I generally don't care what you have to say about society.

You're not part of its continuation.

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Kevin MacDonald wrote:
Leftists: "I can accept that the sexual selection can result in the fish being able to make this beautiful sand sculpture, but only fascists could believe that there was sexual selection in humans so that men are bigger, faster, stronger."
Socially selective emoting, on natural selection.
Now place homosexuality into this context....or, on second thought, not a form of paraphilia as normalized as that has become, but place necrophilia, or bestiality, or paedophilia into this context.
Hell, imagine some bizarre, yet to develop, sexual dysfunction - let's say inter-speicial marriage - and place it into this context.
If a man identifies as a cat, wants to have sexual intercourse with a man that identifies as a dog, what category of normality would that fall under?
I mean it's all natural, right?
what about raping a five-month infant?
That's "natural", correct?

Desperate degenerates lose all ability to conduct the most basic judgements...yet, if they go to purchase a car, or when their child's future is on the line, then they suddenly acquire the reasoning and discrimination of a "bigot". They can suddenly see colours and shapes, and never doubt their validity or their importance, nor would the spend months debating the relevance of smells and textures and forms.
It's very selective this kind of idiocy.

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Value judgements - i.e., evaluations - are a product of triangulation.
Subject (living organism) <> Motive (movement, intent) <> Object (goal, objective)
corresponding to Mind (idea/ideal) <> Nervous System (dynamic movement) <> Body ((physical, tangible, world).
This triangulation is a product of a living organism.
non-Living phenomena have no motive, but only movement; they have no idea/ideal, only attraction/repulsion, indicating inter-activity.
Their movement/momentum follows the paths-of-least-resistance, whereas a living organism can CHOOSE a path of more resistance.
Any use of value or judgement, outside this triangulation is charlatanism - an attempt to mystify and to imply, using obscurantism and occultism, what is nonsensical. Usually promoting old-wives tales and primitive superstitions, manipulating the most primitive parts of the human mind.

Nihilism replaces objective with another subject, creating a loop - a self-referential solipsistic, circularity, they hide by corrupting language; by misusing and abusing the meaning of words.
The cynic correctly laughs away such charlatanism, but he does not correct the use of words but dismisses all language s being equally meaningless. He declares all philosophy as nonsensical, because philosophy is entirely based on language - science is philosophy with a reference to phenomena.
Good so far?
Suspect
Therefore, even words like 'god', 'love', 'truth', and the meaning of the word 'meaning' can be returned to a meaningful utility through triangulation.
This makes philosophy pragmatic and useful, and not a discipline of abstract metaphysical nonsense.

How is metaphysics to be returned to its meaningful utility?
Triangulation.
Physics <> Ideology <> Metaphysics
In triangulation one of the three acts as a standard for the other two. The other two validate, support, justify, qualify, the third.  
Triangulation is part of spirituality, and psychology and science....if it is not corrupted by nihilistic linguistics.

In realism, and paganism, the object is always the final standard.
Subject<>Motive<>Object the object, is world, toward which subject evaluates itself and its motive.
In the nihilistic triangulation of Christianity, Father<>Holy Ghost<>Son, the name of the Father replaces subject, and son replaces object or world.
ergo in the Christian narrative the son is made flesh, i.e., the idea/ideal, which is the father, is brought to earth as son....and is put to death. the son is a representation of the negative, to be crucified to attains salvation via the father - i.e., the insinuation is that the body, the physical world must be sacrificed for the idea/ideal to save the individual.
But notice how it is from the father - the idea/ideal - where the son is born. so the physical is born of the idea/ideal...and not the reverse which is the real.
This is what nihilism is - linguistic inversions, hiding the paradoxes that arise using obscurantism and mysticism.
In reality the idea/ideal is born form the physical, the organic, the brain; not the brain form the idea - the thought is born from and in the brain; not the brain in and from the idea.
In essence Christianity renames the subject both father and son, to hide its circularity: Subject<>Motive<>Subject...subjectivity. It renames father 'son', as both are one and the same...according to their own narratives...so it's a circular solipsistic nonsensical concept.

In the triad Physics <> Ideology <> Metaphysics the standard is physics, or the physical world.
In nihilism metaphysics is the standard, or rather motive, because metaphysics is meaningless without a physical reality to refer to and to make it possible.
Therefore, humility is not a subject humbling itself before another subject.
Humility that cultivates wisdom, is the act of humbling yourself before the object of your care, of your interest...i.e., the world, in the case of philosophy.
A philosopher humbles himself before reality, not other philosophers - like Nietzsche, for example -...and not like Christianity before a god, who is the representation of the absolute subject.
This means that he does not declare that he knows the object absolutely, i.e., completely, wholly, perfectly, fully, - this would be disrespectful and blasphemous - nor does he announce that he knows the world so well that he knows it cannot be known more than he know it, which is usually not at all.
This is the arrogance of Nihilism. It produces narcissists and cynics, i.e., Desperate Degenerates.
Such degenerates either declare absolute knowledge - omniscience....or they declares - announce as if mere assertion suffices - absolute ignorance, as a universal absolute. He declares himself, the subject, as the absolute final standard - of absolute knowledge (positive nihilism), or of absolute ignorance (pure nihilism).

See why nihilists are most always Desperate Degenerates?

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How does a desperate degenerate appropriate words and then convert them to meaningless romantic ideas?
We'll start with the first type, the "positive nihilist" and then move to the second, the "pure nihilist".
Let us use the much used and abused word 'love'.
Also appropriated by Christianity to create its nihilistic meaningless dogma - love = god; god = love.
One meaningless word validating the other. Both intentionally made meaningless by desperate degenerates.

Love is an action. We can observe it as a behaviour. It is an emotion that manifests in specific patterns of behaviour; expressed in specific inter-activities. Love is real, if it is kept out of the desperate minds of degenerates.
But desperate degenerates do not like this. They must make 'love' an ideology, an "up in the theoretical clouds" concept for every kind of desperation and degeneration to find comfort in. Free to be redefined as it pleases every specific desperation and degeneration.
They make it into a simple word, a symbol, an abstraction, an idea, and refuse to "bring it down to earth", because this would limit its utility - its universality.
Then, depending on what kind of degenerate they are they search texts for the word. They find it in the Bible, in Shakespeare, perhaps in Nietzsche, in Norse mythology, or in Greek mythology.
If they want to find support in Nietzsche, for example, and claim that he was like-minded, they search through his aphorisms for any mention of the word 'love' and then understand his prose, in a way that would validate their own desired outcome.
This becomes the legitimization of their ideological appropriation of the word 'love'. Each text is defined in ways that agree with their own desired conclusions - their subjective needs/desires.
Now, every mention of the term 'love' in the Bible, or any script, becomes a validation; every mention of the word by Nietzsche integrates him into the appropriation - he becomes an icon of the final conlcusion, basd on a specific need/desire.
The more flowery and vague the text is, the easier it is to twist and define it in desirable ways.
Now one text is validating another text, connected by the word 'love', creating a scriptural chain, one text referring to two or more others - reality is excluded, left on the outside...alluded to selectively, from time to time, but mostly ignored because it contradicts the desired conclusion.

Desperate degenerates of this ilk, will then use romantic, prose to mystify 'love'....they may say "the earth loves the moon and holds it close" replacing gravity with their word.....or "the sun showers with love the earth" replacing electromagnetism with the word...or "particles are held together by the power of love", replacing the attraction force with their favoured word.
Everything is convoluted and romanticized - prose on poetic word-associative drivel, all creating an ideological framework with no substance - no reality....all meaningless nonsense, attracting needy lost minds.

Now we move to the other type of desperate degenerate...the cynic.
He, correctly, laughs at the verbal acrobatics of the first....but then declares the word meaningless. "There is no such thing as love", he declares, because he rejects his fellow degenerates definitions and tactics as the only way to give the word 'love' meaning. It's an empty word, for him...because it must become so; if he cannot experience it, then the word itself must be used to negate it. If no absolute evidence can be given then the word must be dismissed as another example of human folly.
In all this human psychology is a driving factor.

Both refuse to connect the word 'love' with an activity, an interactivity, that is observable, testable, falsifiable, measurable; they refuse to use the word correctly.
'Love' is a verb, not a noun...'loving' is more appropriate. Love's power is in its action - its interaction. Love is the act of loving. It is not an absolute concept - it is dynamic.
Here we return to triangulation.
Lover<>Loving<>Loved
No longer a theory, an idea, to fabricate a meaningless ideology with references to texts.
An observable, experienced, phenomenon.
From there we can speculate why it evolves; how it evolved; what function it serves etc.

But desperate degenerates do not like this kind of philosophy.
They like the kind that is prone to ideological nonsense to be easily dismissed as useless drivel.
They want it all theoretical, ideological....to remain an idea/ideal, for each subjective mind to do with it as it pleases; an idea they can twist and convolute, and obscure to fabricate all kinds of hyper-real alternate occult worlds.
They do the same with the word "beauty"...."value"...."god"...."truth"....
"Beauty" is another good example of how the desperate degenerate mind works.
To maintain it as a subjective construct, they must refuse all attempts to "bring it down to earth" where it can be measured, and evaluated and experienced. they must maintain the word as an ideological contraption, or convolute it with all sorts of prose and poetic, sampling text where it is mentioned and used in a desirable allegorical tool; they want to mythologise it, because its reality is too hurtful or disturbing to them on a personal level. The real cannot yield to human need/desire....the idea can.

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It is feasible to construct, for example, a philosophical framework integrating Christian Scripture with Nietzsche's aphorisms, if you keep the language obscure and mystical enough to act as a concealing connector between two incompatible positions.
Isn't this what Christianity did to integrate Judaism and Hellenism?
Jesus' presumed heritage - his allegorical "immaculate conception" - is the linguistic shroud of integration and synthesis between two incompatible positions - giving birth to Jesus, the icon of this theoretical merger of disparate world-views.
Mysticism convolutes language to the point where the unrealistic and improbable, becomes possible.

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