Of course if ego steps in this might lead to a sour-grape situation here the glorified is degraded so as to justify one's own lack.
Didn't the ego already step in for glorification? Give your next point (the reverse), I assume you mean here a stronger version ego degrades the the glorification?
Interesting though, the stronger ego should dominate the weaker ego, yet the majority have weak egos.
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I would think weakness admires strength and put it on a pedestal, either to knock it down and feel better about itself or to use it to motivate itself.
There are two ways to react to the realization that one is inferior or weak:
1- You self-pity, lashing out in hatred towards what reminds you of your weakness to destroy it.
2- Same as the first only here your anger turns constructive. You seek to surpass what reminds you of your weakness.
One tries to tear down otherness the other to build up self.
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You see fear is the missing element.
No fear, no caution.
The mind can imagine all sorts of fantastic shit when it doesn't really feel afraid because it hasn't ever really faced a situation where its life was really in peril, or, if it has, it was an exception to the rule.
In some situations bored minds feel alienated, disturbed by the "meaninglessness" so much that they fabricate dangers to make themselves feel excited with living. they often place themselves as a central figure in the dramatics.
Video-games are a good example of this kind of escapism.
Everything has to be blown put of proportion. Hyperbole comes to save the day.
Suddenly the world is full of danger. Everything now indicates a threat, but a very minute one and not direct.
It is always out there, or soon to come, or the future or the beyond.
The world is so bland, their internal world so dull, that drama offers them that relief. There is desperation here.
I had a friend who thought that every time a pretty waitress smiled at him that she was interested. He was so desperate that the event took on a mystical quality.
Everything she did, said, became a symbol of her desire for him. She was sending him messages of her interest. Of course in this case his delusion was soon shattered by reality.
But in religious delusion the element of their desire is made so fantastic that it avoids reality altogether. it is beyond shattering. . Its distance makes it all the more desirable. It proves itself by its own mysteriousness.
Here reality has no say. The drama occurs in the mind and is sometimes a shared event.
The irony is that without these institutions which are often vilified the mind would be helpless to a reality it has no capacity to deal with. Then again such a mind would never have been born without the infrastructure that shelters it and allows it to remain infantile or to live in its own delusional world. Unrestricted reproduction, coupled with these protective environments lead to a slow decay.
The bodies become bigger, faster, stronger, while the mind atrophies. The body becomes ornamental, the mind superfluous. Everything loses value.
4m6in3, of course Keynes wasn't the Jesus of economics. , I am interested in all the schools of economics but when I look at the austrian school they're all about a priori knowledge, it's so armchair to me. I am more of an empiricist than a rationalist. And the austrian school looks like kantianism in economics.
The strongpoint of austrian school, which I agree with, is that too much mathematics in economics is counterproductive.
But I don't believe that the market is somewhat magical and balances itself. Nor do I like the stat. But its shit we have to live with.
Empiricism doesn't play a role in social sciences. The concept of speculations would cease to exist if it did. Furthermore, you read my previous thread, so you know where I stand when it comes to any empiricism. Rationale is no different.
As for the market balancing it self out. Well, why is there food on a shelf? The most basic factor is the greed of the farmer. People will always have wants and entrepreneurs will always have a need to answer those wants. Weather it's corruption, gangsters, laws, protection, roads, etc... Competition amongst the entrepreneurs will make sure that those wants are always met in the highest quality and efficiency. If an entrepreneur is corrupt, produces poor service/product, to the customers then he/she has fucked him/herself. The entrepreneur law system, or justice department will solve this matter as well. All via competition. The people will go to the competition next door. Etc... Etc.. Competition will also advance society at a far greater pace then any government society could. Cheap prices thanks to competition. You name it. The only problem is that it takes time to develop this new system and the entire reason it was never developed is because people cry I need a government at the first disastrous incident. They don't allow the system to fix it. When you have a problem with your boss, do you complain to him, or do you complain to the government? See what I mean. Oh, and people like to say, "oh well look at Somalia, they have no government" But if you actually do look at Somalia, they're doing a lot better since the government dismantled. The media biases obviously distort the facts. Here...The Rule of Law without the State
In short, peoples wants, entrepreneurs wants/answers, and competition. All starts with property rights and contracts which the entrepreneurs will take care of first. I don't know if you read Rothbard..but if you're interested, here... Readings on Anarchy 4. 5. 6.
You're correct though that we're stuck in this shit, but the system can't sustain itself for too long and it will blow up soon enough.
Because it doesn't play a role that's why social sciences are pretty much a failure. I think this is the huge problem. Social scientists are almost as useless as priests.
The market doesn't balance because Say's Law isn't realistic as it looks.
I don't dispute that greed is a factor in the motive of humans. But I cannot accept this belief of humans as being rational agents, this goes against everything we know from history and evolution theory. The fact that the Austrian School still holds on to the rational human agent is for me a red flag.
I don't deny that society can exist without a goverment if that's what you imply. I was actually a fan of anarcho-capitalist myself for a while. But I think too much market fundamentalism is wrong from an empirical standpoint.
The theory might always be sound. Their axioms beautiful, the mathematical models rigid. But look how the world differs from the theories.
IThere are two ways to react to the realization that one is inferior or weak:
I can see your point in action. As I skimmed through the comments, niggers are trying to destroy or surpass their inferiority. Link... Dead Nigger Storage
Funny site
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Another way is to become indifferent to the money/food chain, to whatever degree you can.
Not "ob top" but above or below, as in escape it or bury yourself within it so as to become inconspicuous.
The first option is sort of closed, as there is no frontier, the latter is depicted metaphorically in the movie The Matrix or Fight Club, only without the desire to confront the system or change it, but to live parasitically off of it, like all predators do with any herd...somewhat described in Dostoevsky Notes from the Underground.
It's a form of asceticism only without making this your goal. This is a more discriminating state, depicted beautifully in the Hannibal Lecter trilogy.
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When a song brings you to tears and won't stop making your skin crawl, you're probably just emotional. Plenty of songs hit people hard for one reason or another, but if your reaction is that severe it's probably because it connects to you in some personal way -- speaks to your emotions/interests/concerns. So yeah, "it's real"...to you.
