Recovering Abrahamics

Alternatives to Abrahamic nihilism and populist secular forms, like Marxism, Wokism etc.

Nietzsche predicted that his death of god diagnosis will plummet western men to despair, finding alternatives in nationalism, focusing exclusively on Christianity which ailed his German folk, leaving the other two variants, Islam and Judaism undiagnosed.
He failed to predict what he adopted from his mentor Schopenhauer, as a replacement of Christianity by a replacement of terminologies from other spiritual schools, and form prevailing scientific knowledge, offering new metaphysical mystical alternatives.
Schopenhauer didn't abandon god, he replaced the concept with the term 'will, drawing inspiration from Hinduism.
God's will was secularized as simply 'will', eliminating the 'god' part.
Nietzsche added to it his own substitutes for eternal life, i.e., eternal return, and for the saved pious man, chosen to transcend his fallen state, by the term Übermensch.


Others have adopted other terms for the exact same concepts.
Common themes of Abrahamism are singular god; salvation; eternal life for the few, chosen; binary good/evil; the dependence of morality on the divine, i.e., universal morality; world, i.e., existence, as a 'fallen' inferior state requiring healing, correcting etc.

Such attempts to salvage Abrahamic nihilistic tropes can be thought of as adjustments, improvements, adaptations forced by a threat - such as science or non-nihilistic world-viwews.
They adjust Abrahamism to what threatens to eradicate it - so it adopts scientific insights and incorporates them in its metaphysical superstitions.
Science being the primary threat to superstition.
This is how it attempts to become immune to specific threats - incorporating their critiques, or challenges, by corrupting them - adapting them to the desired outcome, preserving the aforementioned trope; changing the words/symbols to conceal the motives and the trickery.

Abrahamism 2.0.
This is why nihilism always remains obscure, using terminology detached from anything that limits its insinuations; detached form reality, which it seeks to conceal and replace.
The motive is existential, and as I've said, nihilism is a defensive reaction to emerging self-consciousness, exposing individuals to another source of suffering - product of objectivity (third-person perspective); an adaptive advantage accompanied by a severe psychological burden, i.e., cost.

Nihilistic obscurantism - it proudly claims as mystical, and a "deeper truth" only a few can know and/or understand, i.e., appreciate fully - is intentionally vague and detached, offering a way out of critique and a way out of the intellectual corners increasing human knowledge and understanding of the cosmos and of humanity, will eventually force it into.
Obscurantism, mysticism, is how nihilism survives in a world it dismisses as illusory, as a fallen state, as a testing ground. Linguistic obscurantism allows it to rework tis own superstitions so as to incorporate whatever new scientific or philosophical insights may arise over time.
They literally offer a end of thinking, end of understanding - a last man scenario.
They can never be surpassed because they literally say nothing concrete and testable - so they are open to any reinterpretation that manages to seduce as many gullible, needy minds, as possible, while simultaneously preserving the basic concepts of Abrahamic nihilism - stated earlier

WendyDarling[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of a relatively recent varient of secular Abrahamism.
This idea that existence is a 'artificial reality" (fallen state), programmed by some mystical will/agency (god), and we are all trapped in this artificial reality (limbo), within which we have no agency (no free-will, no choice), and within which only a few come to realize this (chosen, saved).
It's always delivered with some internet source by some "expert", using modern physics - cosmology - to adjust the same Abrahamic tropes to a new age reality, seducing a new batch of gullible, needy, imbeciles.

Innocence must be preserved for this is what offers the hope for salvation....so any agency must be dismissed, one way or another. Everything that happens must be placed on the shoulders of an external divine programmer....the christ narrative.
He came to absolve us of our "sins"....meaning our guilt, our past choices that contributed to suffering.
God is now modernized as some ambiguous programmer - Matrix movie used the 'architect' as its metaphor.
This world is not real - fallen state.....but a simulation olf reality, a program, an artificial reality...and we are but innocent will-less artifices in it.
This stinks of self-hatred.
No 'I'...always 'we.'
Marx is overcome. We have a new version of the hive-mind.

Immediately we see the exact same Abrahamic tropes being replaced with pseudo-scientific jargon.

Once you've liberated your mind from all experiential limitations, the only remaining limitation is popularity - seductive appeal - because such delusions require external support, and only minds that can be seduced, coerced, bribed, linguistically and offer such support.
Superstitions remain impotent beyond the range of their linguistic powers to manipulate and exploit.
It is power founded on powerlessness; strength based on weakness; knowledge based on ignorance; liberty based on enslavement; independence founded on dependence; pseudo-reality based on unreality.

Satyr wrote:

WendyDarling[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of a relatively recent varient of secular Abrahamism.
This idea that existence is a 'artificial reality" (fallen state), programmed by some mystical will/agency (god), and we are all trapped in this artificial reality (limbo), within which we have no agency (no free-will, no choice), and within which only a few come to realize this (chosen, saved).
It's always delivered with some internet source by some "expert", using modern physics - cosmology - to adjust the same Abrahamic tropes to a new age reality, seducing a new batch of gullible, needy, imbeciles.

Innocence must be preserved for this is what offers the hope for salvation....so any agency must be dismissed, one way or another. Everything that happens must be placed on the shoulders of an external divine programmer....the christ narrative.
He came to absolve us of our "sins"....meaning our guilt, our past choices that contributed to suffering.
God is now modernized as some ambiguous programmer - Matrix movie used the 'architect' as its metaphor.
This world is not real - fallen state.....but a simulation olf reality, a program, an artificial reality...and we are but innocent will-less artifices in it.
This stinks of self-hatred.
No 'I'...always 'we.'
Marx is overcome. We have a new version of the hive-mind.

Immediately we see the exact same Abrahamic tropes being replaced with pseudo-scientific jargon.  

Costa, obviously you have made “your truth” personal when you brought my name into this. You are attacking me with your obsession, an unhealthy obsession, one of several.

I’m not going to bother telling you about all the ways that you are broken or all the incorrect finger pointing. You have already called me a liar more times than I care to count. Please delete my KT account. I am not interested in being your punching bag.

Now I know who Costurd is.
Thank you.
Your name is "wendy"?

Run away, sweet, delicate, fragile spirit.
All you can do is never return.....
Nobody will miss you. Nobody will care.
Sweetie....your obsessions with me and with this absolute ideal, is not only obvious, it is becoming tiresome.
All you do is try to justify a pre-existing objective - classic top<>down emoting.
You are no philosopher...you are a woman., and as a female you belong among the female and the emasculated.

Do yourself a favour and will yourself never to return, nor to ever mention my name again, you stupid twat.
I doubt you can.
Females and effete males become imprinted by anything above them.
Now go on and enjoy your delusional life with your own kind.

Ta, Ta.

How ironic testing delusional recovering Abrahamics willful fortitude; their resistance to their own obsessions; their willpower, when they deny they have any will at all.
In their deludes minds it is a cosmic test of god's will - universal fatalism.
Has it been determined, for this deluded twat, to never return to KTS, nor to mention my name ever again?
Let's wait and see.
One thing is for sure - in their deluded superstitious, slavish minds - it is never them - never their fault.
It is fate....it has been determined.
You know, like how dimensions reveal past, present, and future, simultaneously, as if we had no part in it, whatsoever.
It has already been written.
We are but casual, innocent, observers of our own existence.

For these demented, naïve, feeble spirits existence is sadistic - no, we are all manifestations of the one, so it is masochistic.
It enjoys making itself suffer, for no reason at all.

Now that is degeneracy....ergo transsexuals, homosexuals, sadomasochists, pædophiles, necrophiles etc. are but expressions of god's degeneracy.
A fucked up divinity, manifesting fucked-up expressions of itself.

Satyr wrote:

Now I know who Costurd is.
Thank you.
Your name is "wendy"?

Run away, sweet, delicate, fragile spirit.
All you can do is never return.....
Nobody will miss you. Nobody will care.
Sweetie....your obsessions with me and with this absolute ideal, is not only obvious, it is becoming tiresome.
All you do is try to justify a pre-existing objective - classic top<>down emoting.
You are no philosopher...you are a woman., and as a female you belong among the female and the emasculated.

Do yourself a favour and will yourself never to return, nor to ever mention my name again, you stupid twat.
I doubt you can.
Females and effete males become imprinted by anything above them.
Now go on and enjoy your delusional life with your own kind.

Ta, Ta.

Satyr, wrong yet again. Simply delete my account and turn your ugly, lying, paranoid, megalomania on somebody else.

They come, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], they retreat.

The absent absolute is intolerable for the meek.
Whether it be called god - of Abraham - or order, or universe, or one, or humanity, or value, or love, or thing, or truth....the name does not matter if the attributes remain the same.
Absolution.....completion.....salvation....certainty.....finality....end.

The indivisible, singular, immutable, immortal, must be preserved....one way or another - using one word or another.

The ideal is humility.
Humility means any absurdity is as worthy of respect as any rational theory.
They can't tell the difference so they adopt a world-view that helps them cope with their inability to escape their subjectivity; a world-view that forgives such impotence and equates it with potency.

The inferior is now shaming the superior, forcing it to humble itself - lower itself to mediocrity where inferiority can reach.

Humility, the highest virtue.
If you do not show the proper amount of humility you will be accused of the sin of arrogance.....the vice of megalomania....
A Nazi....a autocratic fascist.

They will accuse you of imposing your views upon them...if you do not show the proper reverence, the right amount of yielding to their idiotic superstitions.

We are all equally sinful beneath god, becomes we are equally ignorant before the unknown.
The nil is what equalizes us all....according to these feeble minded buffoons.
Practically speaking, this means every subjective perspective is as valid as any other, because there is no absolute certainty. Show respect to any perspective because nobody knows everything - there is no omniscient god anymore, so all are equally ignorant.

When Magian mysticism rules over a superpower in decline, Messianic fanaticism, coupled with a fear of facing retribution, takes over, guided by self-fulfilling prophetic nonsense.
These infected minds now control the means for a real Armageddon....a final validation of their superstitious delusions.

How can they get over the loss of paradise, eternal life, and their own innocence?
Over two-thousand years of these lies....has not evolution had its effect.
Not survival of the fittest, but survival of the meekest....the most impressionable.....
Natural selection gives way to ideological selection - genes to memes.
Over two-thousand years of social engineering the ideal Abrahamic. For western man these tropes are ingrained in his psyche.

How does one overcome all that?

Recovering from any disease takes time and effort.
The stages of dis-ease must be experienced in reverse order.

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10.3B: Disease Development
Stages of Disease.

STAGE 1: INCUBATION PERIOD.
STAGE 2: PRODROMAL PERIOD.
STAGE 3: ACUTE PERIOD.
STAGE 4: CONVALESCENCE PERIOD.

This mental dis-ease, this nihilism, follows the same stages.
When the body becomes habituated with being ill it may choose another disease - preferably of the same kind - to experience it again.
There are benefits to everything....all positives entail a negative; all negatives entail a positive.
If death is not immediate then illness can become a desirable crux.

Mental diseases in particular, become a new norm, especially when part of their symptomology is the gradual detachment of an individual form reality, form itself - a pleasing state if the body is a source of need/desire, experienced as suffering - insanity becomes an option when the individual is unable to cope with reality.
In this context, recovery may follow a course from a current varient to a preceding varient...

Unable to abandon their juvenile belief ni paradise - an existence with no suffering, no conflict - the recovering Abrahamics always turn to utopias, retaining their adolescent nativité as badge of distinction.

Natural selection implies "choice", and competition necessitating conflict.
Without knowing it these naïve juveniles are dreaming of a paradoxical paradise of non-existent existence - an existence that is not experienced as need/suffering.

They can't let go of all the nihilistic defensiveness they've become accustomed to.
They cannot cope with an indifferent, harsh, existence, without their defensive ideologie.
They intuitively suspect that all those words/symbols they use to conceal themselves from the world is ineffective unless they can convince others to participate in their deceptions - as if this could reduce their doubts.
They subconsciously sense that their subjective method cannot protect them from an objectively real world they dismiss and deny, partially or selectively...but they cannot give-up their crutch, still holding onto the hope that if enough others agree to pretend they could create an alternate reality.
Their ego is entirely dependent and completely invested in preserving this irrational hope.
They cannot survive without a good, benevolent, loving god, so they must replace the naïve ideal with a kind, benevolent, forgiving humanity.
They desperately want to remain innocent, childlike.

The goal of the Abrahamic religions is to cull and cultivate billions of slaves, for the ruling elites. The challenge is to suppress and dominate the populace, but not so much that the newly enslaved commit suicide or rebel. Thus morality "evolved" to offer a glimmer of "Hope" to the slave-masses. This is currently referred to as "Freedom" in the West, but used to go by the name of "Salvation" or "Heaven". The promise was, and is, that if you were a good, obedient, exemplar slave, then you could be promoted into a House Negro. You get to serve massah directly, and may even receive some higher education or literacy. Thus there are many rungs and divisions of labor of the enslaved.

When slavery became prominent in the Ancient Era, Egyptians began castrating slaves. This caused problems of Demoralization and mass suicide. Slaves would kill themselves, flee, or if any were not castrated, typically resisted or lashed-out violently against their Masters.

Abrahamism solved this problem by the above solution—if slaves acted well and rightly, then they would be allowed to reproduce (under the strict discretion and observation of his Masters). This is, hypothetically, the point of Genesis of the 'Jewish' sects of Abrahamism, by their rebellion against "Earthly Authority" as resistance against Hellenic and Pagan dominated Egypt.

Today Circumcision is practiced as this symbolic 'castration' ritual. Circumcised males represent the Heirs to this legacy, as good and obedient mass slaves. Jews kept this tradition as a reminder of their ancient roots and beginnings, and then the subsequent Rebellion that began and continued this branch of Abraham.


Abraham himself represents a mass slave. If he was disobedient to Authority / Rulers / Elites / Masters, then your only-begotten son would be destroyed. Not only destroyed, but "made an example of". Torture, mutiliation, desecration. Abrahamism represents humiliating mass slaves into complete, utter, absolute Domination and Subjection. This is the root of the term "Subject", unbeknownst to the common man or those on ILP. To be a "Subject" literally means, Subject to the whims of your Authority / Master / LORD.

Abraham must offer his only-begotten son to God, and only under God's Mercy is Abraham's genetic lineage "allowed" to continue.

This is observed today, from 2000 years ago, by those on ILP and "peacegirl", who defends her Abrahamic logic: "Submit to this slavery, then and only then, can you be Free and have Choice".

So where is the evidence to disprove God's existence.

Why do you want to disprove God's existence? Feeling rebellious??

Freyja wrote:

So where is the evidence to disprove God's existence.

The one promoting an idea is burdened with providing evidence for this idea.

Otherwise every absurdity that seduces millions would be true, unless it could be disproved.
Disproving a negative, is what desperate dimwits always succumb to. A negative cannot be disproven because it cannot be proven.
Prove a cosmic octopus does not exist. Prove it!

First step is to define the concept..because 'god' can mean many things.
I assume it is the Abrahamic definition you've adopted - this alien god contradicting your own heritage. Convectional minds always adopt conventional beliefs.
Given that definition, you must explain how and why it contradicts experienced reality, and why it is more real than experienced reality.

This is quite pathetic, if you think about it...
A sixty+ year old woman resorting to that old infantile method of asking for proof for a negative.
I faced this back in the early 2000nds, when I first started debating these morons.

Now, over 20 year later here it is again....zero progress.
It's hopeless.
These imbeciles cannot think above a certain level - explaining why they believe the absurdities they believe - and think that this is a challenge
"Prove god, as I define the concept, doesn't exist, because I can't prove that it does."...ergo, if you cannot disprove it then it exists.
Fuckin' hell.


Dumbing-down is reaching frightening depths.
No wonder Americanism is declining.
Such minds, exhibiting this quality of judgement, can only be manipulated and exploited.
The mistake was giving women the vote.
All they want is a big daddy/lover, to protect and provide for them.

I can't believe I'm forced to tolerate these fucks.
Even my little secluded, regulated, forum can't stop them from harassing me with their stupidity.

That's really fucked-up...I can't believe an adult woman used the old and tired "prove the imaginary ideas in my head are not real"....what the fuck?!

You know I've gone to great efforts to shape KTS into a venue protecting me from stupidity - to help me not have to deal with the world's retards and psychotics...to stop them from harassing and forcing me to waste my time.....
But it failed. There's no getting away from so much degeneracy.
Americanism has made it so ubiquitous it is now the norm.
These people vote.....
That's a scary thought.

Live and let live, another naïve moron will say....as if stupidity is harmless and they are immune to it.
It's not. Whether you like it or not it affects you. Try to isolate yourself from it, and ti still affects your life indirectly and directly.
These retards determine policy. they can rise to the top and become powerful, like they have in the States and across the Americano-Anglo-Jew-sphere.
Zealots, believing in superstitious, self-serving, self-aggrandizing nonsense, determining the fate of mankind.

Scary.
Wars and diseases used to rid the gene-pool of them....but today both can wipe us all out.

Freyja wrote:

So where is the evidence to disprove God's existence.

All of existence dsiproved this absurdity....if it existed it would negate the world as it is.

Prove a ghost doesn't exist in my house.
Prove I am not god incarnate.
Prove Leprechauns don't exist.

if you cannot....well then that proves what?
For these simpletons it means that it proves what they cannot prove.
So, if I cannot prove satyrs do not actually exist, then satyrs do exist, right; if I cannot prove Leprechauns do not exist then Leprechauns do exist, right?

Bloody hell, the west is doomed.

ALL existence contradict this Abrahamic god concept this imbecilic insist on believing. A concept that does not only contradict experienced reality but her ancestry and their beliefs. This WASP twat adopted a foreign deity, showing disloyalty to her own ancestors, and to her own senses - or whatever is left of her senses under all that bleached hair.

And I'm supposed to respect and tolerate this...Why?
Because its conventional and popular?
Because its humane...and polite?

Why are these people on philosophy forums?
Why do they come to mine?
Obtuse and arrogant...a bad combination.
They belong on ILP....or some religious forum, or a gossip venu discussing celebrities, or somewhere where twats congregate to share their twaddle, and old hens lay their hollow fake golden eggs daily.
I won't hunt them down and bother them when they proudly cluck, cluck and crow.
Isn't ILP enough for them? They can seek out another "forum" pretending to be philosophical, if ILP has become populated by crazies. There are hundred of them out there - all incluse catering to the sub-100 IQ masses.
Spew your inanities there, among your own kind....where your idiocy could be considered "deeply insightful" and a "good point".

Reasons, arguments, theories, are not evidence.
An investigator may suspect a man of murder but may lack evidence.
Reasons can be based on concrete facts, on evidence, on clues....but they still lack a certain connection with an event.

Now in this case - as God is defined by these superstitious imbeciles - there is no crime, no event, to necessitate an agency, a guilty party.
There is no beginning and no end, and what is "beyond", "outside", "before and after" existence is, by definition non-existent.

The delusion is built on the mind's addiction on binaries - on/off, good/bad.
It can only conceptualize existence as a whole, by projecting itself into some imaginary "outside" existence plane, so as of them conceptualize existence as a whole, a one.
This is the basis of the paradox of a imagined singularity - god, will - contradicting the multiplicity of existence.
From within existence there is no singularity - and if ti were possible it would negate existence.

This is also the foundation of mind/body dissonance.
Body, physicality, tangible reality, is contradicted by the mind's reduction of fluidity into a static idea - Platonic Ideal.
Recovering Abrahamics needs this Platonic ideal, in whatever allegorical, metaphorical form they can get it - using any term, preferably a positive one, like power, love, value, will,...

Absence of evidence, as they say, is not evidence of absence...and yet if we apply this across the board, then every absurdity must be taken seriously until proven otherwise.

Absence of evidence submits to reasoning based on presence of evidence, to build a most probable conclusion despite the absence of validating evidence.
If what is evident contradicts a hypothesis then this does not justify it, nor does it totally nullify it....but it lowers its probability.

Do we condemns a man to prison with no evidence....do we assume all are guilty until proven innocent?
No.
But neither do we need to witness a crime to come to a reasonable conclusion of highest probability, as to who did it.
"Beyond a reasonable doubt".

Furthermore, if a man is struck by lightning we do not assume a crime was committed and put his friend in jail because he was present.
In the past, when nature was not understood, perhaps men were held guilty for natural forces, just as Abrahamics need an intentional creator to hold accountable for their suffering.

In the Abrahamic case, there is no event...no beginning no end, and no need for a creator....and no need for a Devil to accuse, letting god off the hook.
Existence can be explained with no creator.

If we live in a world where certain things are not subject to question ..........

we live in a world where thinking has stopped.

Ha!
A child asks questions....should we stay on its level and respond to children forever?
How would we progress if wee were asking the same infantile questions ad infinitum?
Grow, the fuck, up and get over your daddy dependencies.

But you can't...because if you could you would have already.


Now answer me this:
Why should I respond to every dimwit's questions, when they are so simplistic and based on superstitious delusions?
How many hours a day would I need to waste on the myriads of simpletons with the same dumb questions?