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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyThu 27 Apr 2023 - 10:44

When cognizing existence, there is a feedback loop between Ego and Super-Ego, which resists any and all 'bad' attributes of existence. The Ego only wants to associate and identify with what's 'good', expelling and repulsing all that is 'bad'.

Because of this cognitive/mental/brain process, instinctively compelled, people feel as though they don't have "Free-Will" or control over this process. And it's true, that most people don't. But what they call "Determinism" is this subconscious, unconscious confirmation bias.

The Ego interprets its own identity as "only Good, never Bad". So it seems to the Super-Ego, or any "outside awareness", as though the mind has no control and no choice. It must favor "the Good".

This is the basis by which 'peacegirl' (on ILP) defends her Determinism and she admits that Free-Will is "completely impossible" to her. She unconsciously refers to this mental processing inside her mind.


There are some humans, on the periphery of human societies and civilization, which seem to have trained an evolved response to this 'nihilistic' tendency. Humans closer to 'Nature', therefore closer to danger, death, "evil", badness, discomfort, pain, isolation, etc. have a different perspective as to what constitutes "bad". So in these types, the self-identity is far less attached to a bias which most (domesticated/emasculated/ensalved) humanity personifies. For example, the Slave life/dialectic is attuned to serving his/her Master. The Slave has no Autonomy, no Self-Control, no Free-Will. The Slave does not exist on the periphery of society, but at the center of it. The Slave is an Urbanite, safely secured within the interior of civilization.

This is why there is a range of psychological types, which will self-identity as more or less "free", more or less "willed".
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyFri 28 Apr 2023 - 11:28

It amazes and astonishes me how far the Prole's brain/mind will go in order to deny its own Autonomy, Agency, and Self-Responsibility.

I know that they cannot deny their 'self' completely, because they signal that they recognize themselves as physical entities, and that physics (ie. Causality) applies to all physical things. So there is a type of un- or sub-conscious bias that Proles have. They have enough self-consciousness and self-awareness to recognize themselves as physical things. But the trouble begins when Hierarchy is introduced into the equation. This is where I meet their Marxist indoctrination and Abrahamic compulsions.

For example, Proles love owning pets, dogs and cats, because it represents to the Urban and Suburbanite, a reconnection with Nature, a representation or copy of the distant past. Humans see themselves as Superior to their pets. And so, this Superiority-complex applies to how they perceive others as well. This can be extended to Race. Although white liberals and conservatives take different approaches to Race-Reality, both retain a subconscious bias and superiority complex over non-whites. They are not 'allowed' to state this openly, lest being branded a Racist/Phobic/Nazi, but they hide this admission inside their minds.

So they recognize their self-worth, but won't admit to anything that breaks their social conditioning.


This extends to Free-Will in every possible area. They cannot admit to a minor belief in Free-Will, because that too would break conditioning. Even if they entertain the belief, they must defer to "Experts" on the matter. If you're not a (philosophical) "Expert", then they will not recognize your arguments, no matter how good they are. You have to be Accredited. You have to have Tenure. Or, if you are not an Academic, then you must...get 1 million youtube views. You must be popular, like Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson. Anything short of this, Academia, Tenure, Popularity, etc. your "arguments" fall upon deaf ears.

The masses don't want to wake up from their slumber, their conditioning, because they don't know any alternatives. Any "alternative" would be, from their perspective, within their System.



I'll talk more about 'Fantasy' and imagination, this notion of "Libertine Free-Will" later.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySat 29 Apr 2023 - 12:04

You have to want to become Free.

You have to have a Will.

And in so doing, freeing the will, represents Power. This is why it is called "Willpower", Will to Power.


What Nietzsche understood about this, the German National-Socialist movement picked up and applied to Nationality. It is not only the 'Individual' will that becomes free, or powerful. It is also the Society's Will, which represents the individuals within. So consider all the restraints which bind the individual, compared to his society. It is not only that one man is bound, but if he represents his society, then his society is bound too. So which forces fundamentally plagued central Europe in the 20th Century? What challenges does a society have, to Free itself, from what or from whom?

Politics is a battle of Will. Those who lose, will have their will subverted and suppressed. Those who win, are 'Free' to express themselves and seek more ground, more territory, more expansion.

It is a matter of Physics that one man's or one society's will, comes at the direct cost of others. As one Will expands, so too does its adversaries contract. This represents the failure of Americanized-Neo-Liberalism, the delusion that one can "enhance one's own power never at the cost of another". Their primary example, is through Technology and expansion of the internet. You are 'Free' to be deluded, in your own little corner, your own little pocket, your own little virtual-reality, your own little bubble, your own little schizophrenic, psychedelic, drug-infused haze.

But express such (liberal) freedom publicly? Politically? Then you face "cancel culture", demonstrating the absolute hypocrisy and illogic. Neo-Liberalism is a suppression of Freedom, not an expression of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySat 29 Apr 2023 - 12:08

Consider the most outspoken critics, today, right now, *AGAINST* free-will.

Who are they? What do they say? What are their exact claims? What are their overt, and covert, motivations?

Why are Westerners not promoted or exalted in the expression of Free-Will?

Why is it, only through Christianity hypothetically, that you give your will over to God, and then you get your Free-Will back (huh?!)—that Westerners are 'allowed' their free-will? And only partially, never fully? Why under the auspice and institution of Christianity, is it so???
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySat 29 Apr 2023 - 12:30

Will is not something 'we' possess. Will is the expression of who and what we are, as a focus on an objective.
Freedom is not an atribute....it is an act - the act of choice.
Two sources of memories - genetic/experiential.
The mind can ignore its genetic impulses and choose a different option, guided by a motive not immediate, or antithetical to its genetic impulses.

Freedom simply refers to how many options are perceptible and accessible to an organism, to focus itself upon; to direct itself, orient itself towards.
The objective may not even be real. It may be a projection with no referent.

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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySat 29 Apr 2023 - 13:04

When somebody says "your wants, your needs", the your demonstrates possession as though the want or need belongs to you. Will represents these wants and needs. What a person 'will' do, is based on want and need as core motivations. The possession represents self-control. Some people have much higher or lower self-control than others. This is a matter of discipline, honing genetic impulses by expressing or suppressing compulsions. Humans are self-aware of these compulsions much more than other mammals, due to heightened intelligence and self-awareness, self-consciousness.

Freedom refers to constraints, internal (freedom to) and external (freedom from). "Choice" is expression of one's free-will. It is the result, in action, in movement, by execution. Most thinkers are stuck in this "hypothetical-only" attitude concerning free-will, that it is only theoretical and not real, not in action. These types don't understand that Choice is always at play, always ongoing, especially in the matters of Thought, Rationality, Reasoning, Imagination.

A higher IQ or mind will have options available to it, far greater and wider, superior quantity and quality, than those with lesser. This is demonstrated by what a person is "free to" do (internal desire) and "free from" (external constraints). For example, a higher IQ can select more topics to think about and contemplate than somebody with low IQ, low patience, inability to meditate on...physics, math, science, mysticism, history, politics, etc. A more imaginative mind can envision far more than an unimaginative, uninquistive mind.

Ownership—not all people are "in control" of their 'selves'. People tend to define and identify their "self" as a Collective, as a Nation for example. The person is not "a person", but Norwegian, Irish, Italian, Romanian, Czech, etc. Their individual will is suppressed, by its larger society. The self does not "own" itself. Self-ownership, like Self-control, represents a desire (of the Will) to free itself 'from' (freedom from) its society.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySun 30 Apr 2023 - 10:08

Free-Will is incomplete with only the 'Negative' view of freedom, "freedom from" restrictions, limits, constraints, laws, etc. Yet this is the primary and dominant form of Western "freedom". Almost all socialist movements revolve around it—because of how it appeals to the Victim-Hierarchy of inverted Western morals. Whereas in previous decades, generations, and centuries, the 'Autonomous' view of Humanity held supremacy—the old notion was quickly wiped away after a few concentrated decades of Marxist infiltration into public schools, politics, media, and all the main avenues of information flow.

Whereas once the American thought him/herself as 'Free' = Autonomous, now one can only measure as a 'Victim'. How much a Victim you are. Thus your Morality, Politics, and Society are all measured by Marxist terms, by a Marxist standard, by a Marxist 'physics'. You can only be "free from" (constrains and laws), in this negative view of freedom. These tactics divide people by: class, race, sex, and every minüte sub-division of sub-culture. The 'individual' become neutered, spiritually castrated and immobilized. In this new, Neo-Marxist, Neo-Liberal, Neo-Conservative Westernized-Americanized-Globalized world, your personal and subjective worth is based on Victim points.

You are never made to be "free from" all constraints, but rather the opposite, all constraints become reinforced. Marxist society and media focus on all the ways in which an individual must be constrained, so that it seems nobody can possibly break free. You must always be a victim in life. You are never "allowed" to not, be a victim, in the same way you are never "allowed" to become free from these hidden, unspoken, social judgments, cast upon you (mostly via females who reinforce the status quo).

So while a person may argue they could, possibly become free from all these "social justice" (Marxist) constraints, the inevitable final question appears: "why would you want to be free, unless you were a Nazi / Racist / Bigot?" because "only a Nazi would want to be free".

By inverting the Western/American notion of individual freedom, of previous centuries when & where, Anglican / German / British / French / European spirits braved the New World, warding off the unknowns, at one with Nature, fending themselves from Injun attacks, no longer would the Anglican realm consider an 'Independent' individuality or moral system—but it would be one of Dependence, Victimization, Past Grievances, Submission, Guilt, and all that comes with these inverted Morals.

Americans would be made to Kneel, something a man or woman in a Free Nation would never previously accept, and would fight to the death to prevent.

Now we see in these recent decades, that the newer generation revels at the thought of kneeling before Marxist propaganda and lies: Antifa, BLM, Communists and Marxists under new banners, Transexuality, Bud Light boycots, drag time story hour with children. The previous American spirit has all but evaporated. Where did it go? Was it truly there to begin with? Is there any actual, real value, remaining in the Western Hemisphere? Or has the Eastern Hemisphere, the Old World, begun its own expansion?

The days of the Western Frontier are becoming, have already become, a distant memory...as-if it never occurred at all.

There is no more, or very little, notion of a "Free To" (Positive) freedom. Rather there is a concentration on Free From, negative freedom.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySun 30 Apr 2023 - 10:18

When I say "Free To", positive freedom, what do I mean?

I mean Christopher Columbus.
I mean Leonardo Da Vinci.
I mean Isaac Newton.

The thing about Genius, is that it cannot be replicated by 99% of humanity, and so seems an impossibility. So too does "Free-Will" appear an impossibility to humanity. Because 99% of humanity is *NOT* "free to" do what it is in their imagination to do. They cannot bring their imagination into reality. They cannot render the Ideal, Real. They cannot envision a sculpture, and carve it. They cannot envision an adventure, and traverse it. They cannot imagine the unknown, and know it.

The majority of people deny the existence of any "positive freedom", because it would mark distinct differences of (especially mental) aptitude. Most people have trouble enough with physical differences of Superiority, let alone mental differences. So while average people will fight over pissing contests, and who can lift the most, down the most beer, etc. few or none will fight over a remarkable idea.

Consider the risks early Navigators, Explorers, and ship Captains made in crossing the Atlantic. The risks are extraordinary. So why would a man commit to it? Would it not take the rarest type of man, who envisions and imagines a reward worth the risk? There are few such men. Yet, some do, imagine a greater reward that outweigh the risk of certain death. Some men can live for more than what most men die for.

That marks a distinction of spirit, above what is only mental or only physical. This remarks what a man is free to do.

This is the "positive freedom", the missing piece of the puzzle that refrains 99% of humanity from having OR WANTING a "free-will". Because they cannot see beyond the risks. They cannot see beyond the negative, a short tolerance, which marks people as 'average'. Average constitution, average courage, average imagination, average ability.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptySun 30 Apr 2023 - 10:35

Freedom To, 'positive' freedom, as Internal
Freedom From, 'negative' freedom, as External

Do most people conceive God as something "internal" to him/herself, or external? Does morality originate from within, or without the "Self"? After these short incursions of Free-Will, into the other philosophy forums, they admit that Morality is "outside" oneself. The locus of Control is External. Freedom is From. Morality is Negative. There is always a previous, prior Cause, Infinite Regress. Because one cannot go to the Start of Time itself, then one can never be 'free' (according to these..."intellectuals"). You would need to be God-Himself, Creator of Cosmos, in order to have a Free-Will.

Recovering Abrahamics.

They mean to say, without realizing it, that "Only God can have Free-Will". And they, the average man and woman, have Zero, None, Nothing. It's an absolute distinction, by which they hide their "selves". They present the matter as Futile, Fatalism. They have no control over anything in the world. And if they did, they certainly "cannot be blamed for it!" There is always a Deference of Authority, Autonomy, Choice, Responsibility.

Here they (falsely) presume that politics and politicians solve the matter. That your personal responsibility in life "goes up" the food-chain, to the Leader of Nations. But they don't actually answer the question. Would Political Leaders, then, have free-will? They say No, of course not. Because again, the Causal Chain must be broken completely, Infinite Regress realized, in order to have a free-will.

So they admit, again without realizing, that there is no 'solution' to be had with moral dilemmas.

There cannot be Justice in the world. There cannot be Judgment. Thus they undermine Western institutions in every area possible: Education, Law, Physics, Math, Science, Reality itself. There is no realm that cannot be corrupted, undermined, and infested, with this 'Nihlistic' (self-annulling) compulsion.

What is Self-Annulling? It is the negative freedom, infecting and destroying all contact.



Because if it did not, it would force the individual, the 'self', the person, the nihilist, to begin taking accountability...for everything. Not even his/her own life, but those around him, into the past, into the future, and his mind shirks, cowers, and flees from this possibility. Replaced with a fear, because he knows he would not be strong enough to hold to account such things.

He would have no moral strength, no spiritual capacity. No Morality, No Soul.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyWed 10 May 2023 - 13:03

I was surprised on ILP that nobody there believed in free-will or the hypothetically 'free' United States of America.

So the surprise disperses as I find more the same on other western "philosophy" forums.

Shouldn't the hypothetical "freest nation on earth", produce an abundant amount of thinkers who support free-will?


But that is not the case.

I now find it most prudent to analyze belief in free-will alongside with IQ differences.  Consider what a low, medium, and high IQ ought to believe about free-will.  Is it to the benefit of the low or high IQ, to believe it?  Should it be 'beneficial' at all?  Or, isn't there a great cost to free-will?  Doesn't freedom imply evil as much as it does good?  Bad choices equally weighted with Good choices?  Or more so, that life is precious and death is always within arms reach, always a few minutes deprived of oxygen away?

One observation that sticks out most, thus far: Average and Lower IQs seem to be looking 'backward' with regard to Conscious-life.  Their 'Conscious Awareness' does not see what is "present", but usually what is 'behind' it, in the past.  This is because there is a safety in the immutable Past.  People can be certain of what is Past, but not what is Present or Future.  This leads to a dependency on the Past...leading to Tradition, Conservatism, Habituation.  People revolve around, or flock to, what's popular because it's Proven.  The Past has proven it.

So Life seems 'Determined' to the midwit, based on the certainty and absolution of the Past.  His/Her "consciousness" is pointed backward.  They then have the gall to argue against others as "regressives".  This is a projection of their Psyche and psychology, unto others.  Their decisions are always "already made", and they're "waking up" to their previous selves, making the same choices.

This is the fundamental basis of: Determinism, Fatalism, Nihilism.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyWed 10 May 2023 - 13:13

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I was surprised on ILP that nobody there believed in free-will or the hypothetically 'free' United States of America.

So the surprise disperses as I find more the same on other western "philosophy" forums.

Shouldn't the hypothetical "freest nation on earth", produce an abundant amount of thinkers who support free-will?
Recovering Abrahamics...
When they stopped believing in a one-god was in charge - thy will be done - they had to substitute it with the universe - an absolutely deterministic, i.e., ordered, uni-verse.

The rest is their concealment.
They need to remain...innocent....otherwise how can they be victims?

The US is fated - manifest destiny - replacing the Jewish choseness...
They are all innocent... what they do I not their will, but some other will is in charge and has chosen them to be their representatives...it is their "burden" to be envied and hatred.
See?

The US is entirely Judaized....it is also divinely chosen, fated, to be the world's savior, its liberator....its conscience.
The US is also a victim of the world's envy and hatred.

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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyThu 11 May 2023 - 9:05

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Recovering Abrahamics...
When they stopped believing in a one-god was in charge - thy will be done - they had to substitute it with the universe - an absolutely deterministic, i.e., ordered, uni-verse.

The rest is their concealment.
They need to remain...innocent....otherwise how can they be victims?

The US is fated - manifest destiny - replacing the Jewish choseness...
They are all innocent... what they do I not their will, but some other will is in charge and has chosen them to be their representatives...it is their "burden" to be envied and hatred.
See?

The US is entirely Judaized....it is also divinely chosen, fated, to be the world's savior, its liberator....its conscience.
The US is also a victim of the world's envy and hatred.
I'm learning more about the extent of this; I didn't realize it was so extensive and pervasive.

It's in every crevice of Western/Americanized society. The 'normies'/midwits/dimwits don't seem aware of their cognitive bias at all. They don't understand how they've substituted their (religious) God with "scientific" Determinism. When cornered, they'll admit to free-will and cede some small ground...as long as this ceded free-will is "also determined". So they'll never not be Determined. They'll never be Un-determined. Because they relegate the idea of free-will in this context—it's not really "free"-will at all. It's free-will, under specific conditions.

As with God, you must bend down, bow your head, kiss the ground, prostrate, then and only then, will you be 'Free'.

They don't see the contradiction...because this is a price they've paid, and feel no shame about. Worse than that, they feel proud about it. Because the core of their morality/metaphysics is this basis, slave-dialectic, they'll fight to protect it. They don't realize or understand an "Outside" of this system. They cannot imagine a FREE free-will.

I remember my previous decades of arguments against Abrahamics. The more fervent and faithful ones, become offensive at the notion: "If people had free will, just think of all the atrocities they'd commit!" And this is what they truly believe, as a projection of what they feel guilty of. Their Sin, is at the root of their belief-system. Again, they can't imagine humanity or people or any society acting "outside" of their premises. The irony and comic-tragedy, is that they are living the same results of their failed rationality. How would it be any different if people were free then? Would there be more murdering, raping, stealing, wars, than is now??? They can't think this far. Their (ir)rationality doesn't allow it.


This is why Philosophy tends to fall into prose, story, metaphors, allegories, etc. at the upper limits. Because you can't talk to the masses directly about base beliefs, about metaphysics. So the Ancients, and their heirs, put their philosophies into Arts/Culture. Adults, like children, understand the point through childhood fantasy stories, more so than anything else. This disrupts Abrahamic indoctrination and slave-morality the most. This is why, I believe, they eventually had to outlaw Paganism and Polytheism entirely when Christianity took over the Roman Empire. They had to control all forms of literacy, in order to suppress and oppress all manners of political dissent.

We see this now, repeating, in how the far-left cultural marxists, infiltrate all areas of childhood gaming, movies, tv, art, etc. in order to spread faggotry and buggery.

I'm not finished on the battlefront though. I want to see more of their intellectual limits, concerning free-will.
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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyThu 11 May 2023 - 12:22

I should revise my previous point:

Maybe it's not so much about IQ levels, since even higher, above-average IQ proles will defend Determinism despite its array of logical inconsistencies.

Rather it might be a product of over-sheltering. Because most of humanity becomes sheltered and nihilistic (disconnected from nature) within the confines of Civilization, it develops this "looking backward" compulsion in Conscious-Awareness. Thus, proles feel that their life is a "looking backward" perspective, rather than "now in the moment".

Why the difference?

Because Nature has elements of Fear. Fear directs your consciousness to the Present, where your mind cannot escape. You must deal with difficult situations. You must fight, freeze, or flight, or die. Choices have immediate consequences. Because of Civilization's nihilistic effects of subordinating negative consequences (Bourgeois redirecting bad decisions to the poor/Prole), then comes a feeling of 'External' consequences. The Prole doesn't understand why or how he/she is being 'determined' (by the Bourgeois), but only that this is so.

As demonstrated on these philosophy forums recently, even the Bourgeois doesn't realize what they're doing either.

Because Self-conscious is an anomaly of human intellect. Self-awareness almost always results in a reduced effectiveness of these sub/unconscious human instincts.
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High IQ is not enough.
Intelligence can be corrupted by a low constitution to endure stress, by emotions, by needs/desires inhibiting judgements...

Objectivity requires more than intelligence.

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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyThu 11 May 2023 - 13:34

There are plenty of high IQ people who could also be described as stupid or just ignorant. It may have to do with temperament. Curiousity combined with a tolerance threshold for unpleasantness. A willingness to sacrifice comfort for knowledge.

A very intelligent coward might use his intelligence to construct intricately complex mental gymnastics to prevent him from seeing a reality he does not wish to acknowledge.

For example, someone might feel alone and helpless in the face of an uncaring universe and so they construct a skydaddy who cares about and validates everything they do. Or equality because differences lead to inevitable hierarchies which reveal unpleasant realities. Or life after death because there is an unwillingness to let go, etc.

There are a lot of very intelligent, very seductive copes that have been invented. The more effective the more popular because they all speak to a shared unwillingness to confront something, whatever it might be.
And they can't be argued down from these constructs because they fundamentally aren't based on reason or evidence. There's an emotional/psychological need that is being satisfied and to take that construct away would probably damage the individual severely - like kicking a wheelchair out from under a cripple. They sense this intuitively so they defend it rabidly.

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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyThu 11 May 2023 - 23:43

Health, is what determines the quality of anything.

What is healthy for the intellect, to have any real power or any real presence of genius, it must have a strong connection to instinct and nature. Deference to that which is stronger, promotes greater degrees of strength and awareness, and nature is always stronger.



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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 26 EmptyFri 12 May 2023 - 9:06

Marxist Psychologists such as Freud and Bernays, used Psycho-Somatics to investigate and psycho-analyze the subconscious realms of human thought and belief. There they went on to disseminate human hopes and fears—by how these appear in dreams and nightmares.

But investigating dreams and nightmares isn't exactly necessary. People will 'confess' their subconscious and unconscious beliefs, their Metaphysics or core-values, in venues they feel safe. Hence on these types of philosophical forums, under conditions of anonymity, they readily postulate and go offensive about what they believe. They're proud of it, their 'Determinism' and lack of free-will. Why is belief in Free-Will so rare, in the "Western World", and America, the hypothetically "freest nation on earth, ever"?

Why is genuine, authentic belief in Free-Will not to be found??

So far I've gleaned from the Normies, that their Free-Will is only possible and engaged, "when it's Determined to be so". It's a logical contradiction, but hypocrisies are not a barrier or hurdle to their motivated beliefs. Their premises are built on a type of emotionalism, connected to metaphysical and Abrahamic beliefs. It's as-if the Abrahamic God turns 'off or on' their Free-Will. So, sometimes Westerners have their "Manifest Destiny", but most other times, not.

It's both Secular and Fundamentalist. So either the Abrahamics, or the Recovering Abrahamic Secularists, both do NOT believe in any type of Free-Will that is separate from (their knowledge of) Determinism. And this leads into their metaphysical beliefs...about Causality, about Creationism, about the Big Bang, about God's Creation or Essence. To them, only 'God' can "Determine" First or Final Causes. And this is what they believe about Determinism. Most won't admit it upfront, because they get their metaphysical beliefs from "the experts". So they're not as confident about it, as say, their Priest or Rabbi is.

But as demonstrated over the past couple decades, not even their Theologians are willing to be put to the test.

Because they don't want to expose their Nihilistic programs. These programs do NOT have the "Free-Will" of the individual, in mind. They are slave programs, to enslave an individual. They do not promote independence, but the opposite.

Just as Bernays was used by the Anglo-establishment to build Consumerism, Hollywoodism, and eventually morph Americanism into Postmodern Globalism and the Neo-Marxist agenda we see domineering between the Old World and the New, today.
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I would enjoy to believe that Westerners could 'recover' from Abrahamism, but my skepticism on this matter informs me differently.

What does a Westerner know of "Free-Will" when it has been stripped from his or her family, 3000 years ago? And they never got it back. I do believe there is a story in the DNA, in the genes. Why or How else could 'Morality' play out as it does, and so predictably, to those who pay attention to it? What would a Slave's perspective be of life, except through his Master's direction and instruction? His mind is demolished, cleared-away of 'personal, private, independent, individual' thought. And isn't this observed daily on these 'philosophy' forums, for decades?

The slave simply does not have the Mind for Resistance. Maybe s/he was buck-broken, spiritually broken, so long ago?

The West, under the auspice of American leadership, sets the example. Slaves were "Freed". And then the Afro-Americans did NOT step foot off their Democrat, KKK, Massa's Plantation. So where was this, hypothetical "freedom"? The Anglos did a masterful job of their craft, their enslavement. They knew, by bringing African-Americans to the New World, that these slaves could not run "back home". They had nowhere to flee. Their mother tongue stripped from them. They had no words, no retreat, no chance, no hope. So it was easy to create the "Black-White" over-underclasses when Anglos and Jews setup Slave shop in the New World.

Cheap labor, same as today.

Back then, they could be more honest with their opinions. This changed over time, through the Enlightenment, and then Marxism in the 20th Century. Since the black Slaves had been freed, the language and lingo must change. Only the White Democrats, Joseph Biden, Robert Byrd, etc. can call blacks 'Negros'. Only Massah can refer to his stock by their name.

The poor white Southerners or Appalachians? "White Niggers" to the Anglo Elitists, Plantation owners, DC Establishment. Worse than black. The world sees this now by how Liberal-Leftist-Dems treat, and would like to make their underclass, Conservative-Rightist-Reps. The animosity is between the 'Enlightened' ones, Marxists, Neo-Liberals, Trotskyites, etc. and the redneck hick, hillbillys.

Nevermind who does most the working, fighting, dying, when war comes.

Will these loyalties last, and if not, for how much longer???
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If you cannot control your thoughts, your rational mind, then how can you claim to control anything else in your life?

Wouldn't you then be, merely a 'passive' witness to life?

What context can any physical resistance have, without mental resistance? And what is it we resist against, exactly?



Those who would dominate thought, to prevent you to think any "political incorrectness". Why?

Is Free-Will constrained to your culture, your place, your time, your era? Or is it timeless?

If you cannot rebel now, then can you do so in the future?



Consider these in the context of Philosophy. Some rare types simply have the desire, insatiable need, to Know, whereas others do not. Others are content with an unthinking, unexamined, uncritical life. Maybe they have different 'thresholds', different constitutions, spiritually to mentally to physically. Because again, what's the point of having great health, strong body, beautiful...if your mind is not your own?

Freeing of the Will is something deep; the masses show in their subservience that they are adulated to give theirs away to the 'Charismatic' leader who appears in their times. Any historical figure, simply pick. What do these cultural phenoms represent? A unique type of Resistance in one lifetime?
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Free-Will

Will = choice. Choice is the expression of will and will is an expression of life - will identifies an individual.
Free = free-form; free-to, signifying reactive and proactive willing/choosing. Independence of degree, not as an absolue state.

Free qualifies will, in the synthetic concept of free-will.
It does not signify liberation from the determined past but implies agency in the dynamic determining present - presence.
A will is as free as the quantity and quality of options it can choose to select.

Two sources affecting the will's selection:
Genetic and Memetic - innate and experiential impulses, rooted in inherited (genetic) and experiential memories (including memes) - precedent.
Precedent refers to past.
The past is always a factor in determining a willful act - choice - among multiple options.
Learning can usurp an organism's automatic impulses, accepting a risk factor or postponing immediate gratification - accepting uncertainty to gain qualitative and/or qualitative returns.

Every choice, in the present, participates in the determination of future options.
Will can multiply the probability of attaining an objective by remaining consistent, without ever making it certain: every choice multiplying its movement towards the attainment of a projected objective.

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The absent absolute is where nihilism stakes its ground....in the either/or.
If not absolutely proven, then it is absolutely disproven.
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Both poles of the nihilistic paradigm represent the negation of experience existence; both, if they were made existent and not simply ideas, would nullify the world as we know it.

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The only part "luck" plays in what is determined is due to chaos....it is the only random factor.

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Yes...I call it the second Dark Ages.....fall of an empire of lies.
What is Harari's background? See the pattern?

It is darkest before sunrise...

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Yes...and options are what we call 'freedom'.
Money = power. This si why money is modernity's (Americanism's) messiah, i.e., saviour.
With money (form of human exchange, like any linguistic code) you cannot change reality but you can coerce, seduce, bride humans to pretend you have changed the world.

Like all human linguistic codes their range of effect is determined by their range of human indoctrination, assimilation.

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Disconnect identity from biology.
Detach words from their real-world references.

This is the dis-ease.

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