Feminism

Paternalistic decline is another way of saying "Feminization of Man".

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But she had, like, the uniform, and position of authority, and the commanding voice and stuff....i dont understand how that could have happened.

Satyr wrote:

"They fornicate but they dont procreate."

Reminds me of this post...
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I still remember you getting flak for saying things like "if it bleeds, it breeds", but the reality is such people dont have much of an issue with young women having sexual relations with men of the same age who are bound to leave them somewhat psychologically scarred by the experience or from wasting their fertility in service to the state. It is the potential for K-type behavior that they fear, seeding the woman's mind before the institution has a chance to seed it first.

If it bleed it needs, even if it doesn't know it.
Women dress provocatively but think it's for "other women," or that they do it for themselves. 
Some studies show that they dress according to their menstrual cycles - as they approach peek fertility more skin is exposed, signaling potential suitors, but they are oblivious to it all.
In their mind they just dress however they feel that day....body telling the mind what it has already chosen, and the mind justifying the choice, according to the particular circumstances.
In their mind they are convinced that they are not looking for anything sexual, just dressing how they feel - "feeling" are how body effects their minds - also called "chemistry" or "intuition".
Feelings and emotions is how body communicates with mind. 
Dissonance....body wants to have sex and reproduce....mind is convinced it is moral, according to cultural norms, and only having fun, or acting in ways that feel good, feel right...all innocent.

This is why Know Thyself is crucial.
But women, and many men, don't really want to know themselves they simply want to be themselves.
Knowing - awareness - has an inhibiting effect, so drugs and alcohol become involved to quiet the mind's knowing and understanding, to allow the body to act liberated from the mind's conflicting intentions, considerations, cares.
Women are perfect natural agencies because they want to just act, without knowing....only feeling, intuiting...ignorant of the genetic intention of their behaviours.
Dawkins "selfish genes" implies that the consciousness is not required or may even be contradicted by what the body needs.
Women despise male control over their impulses - Paternalism - because it imposes upon them conscious rules which conflict with their unconscious desires.

Have you heard stories of these happily married women who cheat on their husbands after years - at least seven - of marital bliss and after having had his children?
It's the seven year itch....euphemism for the cycle of female promiscuity.
Women are sperm samplers - to put it crudely - which means they cannot remain loyal to mental abstractions, such as tribal or ethnic boundaries, unless their minds overpower their bodies - which is rare.
Their minds may truly love their mates - agape - but their bodies have fallen out of love with them - eros.
Conflict of mind/body.
Culturally they know they should remain loyal - monogamous - but their bodies do not understand human cultural rules, because those are creations of the male mind - technology is what Plato called marriage, i.e., a technique disciplining body to mental constructs, without which civilization is impossible.
Genes/Memes. 

So, women rebel against civilization, and its underlying culture; wanting to change them to agree with their impulses.
But women cannot innovate, nor create novelty, they can only imitate and, perhaps, improve what has been created and given to them. 
This is why they preserve traditions - mothers are the heart and soul of a family; stokers of the hearth - they do not question nor do they modify them. This is why they make bad chefs - but good bakers. They are not creators nor do they make good comics.
They cannot challenge the status quo, beyond a certain point...not even masculine females - lesbians - can develop the edge required to push the culturally established and civilizationally maintained limits.
The only time women rebel is if they are given an alternative....or when they are seduced by a male with an idea.

So if they are offered an alternate they will adopt it easily, if it suits them - depending on how self-aware and intelligent they are will determine how much their minds can impose limits upon their physical impulses, and the feelings used to communicate to the mind the body's demands and distress...its state of being.

Satyr wrote:

Women are sperm samplers - to put it crudely - which means they cannot remain loyal to mental abstractions, such as tribal or ethnic boundaries, unless their minds overpower their bodies - which is rare.

But they do remain loyal to the abstract nonetheless, just whichever tend to be the most materially practical at the time to enhance her reproductive role. Every child bringing her one step closer to building a desired safer and more stable environment, the son ultimately usurping the more savage father for the sake of his mother. This process eventually producing the civilized feminine paradise as a stagnated environment that never satisfies her like the "first one" did.

They are rebels of civilization incidentally, but they have always been its emotional architects, only having an issue with the pollution caused which threatens their stability.

Matriarchies are like the bonobos.
A product of particular circumstances which cannot endure change.
The female psyche lacks the male drive to challenge and usurp authority.
The foundation of innovation.
Without innovation the system is unable to adapt to environmental shifts, lacking the creativity built on this libidinal drive.

I've heard of identity being inherited matrilineally, rather than the Indo-Europewan patrilineal inheritance of family identity, and I've of a certain place in Asia where women marry more than one male, and of the island practices of women running the household when the males are away for months on end, but I've never heard of purely maternalistic societies where women lead, fight wars and pass on their name to their offspring, while men are their means to this end.
Only in mythology have I heard of this....the Amazons...although in this case women were described as men.

Feminization usually means the end phase of a civilization, when feminine traits are idealized and males begin tot think and act like women.
Such a system cannot survive for long.

The example of the bonobo is insightful. Biologists explained how this matrilineal primate could have evolved among primates such as the chimpanzees.
They found an explanation which is very plausible.

Satyr wrote:

The example of the bonobo is insightful. Biologists explained how this matrilineal primate could have evolved among primates such as the chimpanzees.
They found an explanation which is very plausible.  

Abundance, the farmer's preferred weapon of choice.
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This explains why the chosen and the left in general are obsessed over environment/resources, they want the world turned into the bonobo's social environment despite the reality that such an environment would not last if any chimps or gorillas were to be reintroduced there.

In general, farmers are often seen as innocent bystanders of life, only for their subtle will to power to be largely ignored, they believe in their own innocence too. Nobody is innocent.

Impulso Oscuro wrote:

This explains why the chosen and the left in general are obsessed over environment/resources, they want the world turned into the bonobo's social environment despite the reality that such an environment would not last if any chimps or gorillas were to be reintroduced there.

Yes, that's exactly right.
Americanism is founded on superfluity, creating constant wealth, growing the economy. the gold standard put a cap on how large it could grow, so they detached from it, as they detach all their concepts from tangible reality, via language, i.e., art, codes...semiotics.
Superfluity created the perfect environmental conditions for hedonism and Feminization to emerge and dominate.
Austerity, danger, requires masculine dispositions of discipline and self-control.

Bonobos splintered from their chimpanzee cousins because of superfluity, and the absence of predation.

Impulso Oscuro wrote:

In general, farmers are often seen as innocent bystanders of life, only for their subtle will to power to be largely ignored, they believe in their own innocence too. Nobody is innocent.

Yes..."nobody is innocent"...all are responsible, culpable, to a degree.

The ancient Greeks believed the human condition, was a consequence of a divine atrocity - humans are fallen Titans/Dionysus; guilty of consuming life.
In Orphic theogony the myths described how the Titans cut up Dionysus and consumed him and Zeus as punishment banished them to the lower levels of existence after he cut them up into pieces....the story implies that humanity is the product of this Titanic affront against Zeus and his son Dionysus, and that mankind emerges from these Titanic limbs/pieces.
And because these Titans had eaten Dionysus men are partly Titanic and partly Dionysian.
So, we are the product of a brutal act against the divine.  
This was converted by Christianity into the concept of primordial sin.

Innocence is now the dominant psychosis.
The desire to covert ignorance into innocence, so as to be worthy of salvation - it's herd psychology.
As if when bad things happen to us it is not because of who and what we are or what we've done or failed to do, but it is victimization - man wants to be a victim of a god, other humans, or an abstraction. This comes from the chosen ones....this was what made this nihilistic dogma so seductive and why they had to deny salvation to other tribes, to preserve the "burden" of being chosen by divinity to suffer and be hated...victimized. Concealing a ruse. Their one-god is an abstraction of themselves and their dogma, and nobody else is permitted membership, because its tribal, written on prophesy, in the sacred books - the burden of being born sacred, envied by those tribes that are not.
Christianity made all mankind innocent if they make amends for their guilt - if they repent and accept the sacrifice of Jesus as taking on this Jewish burden for their shame and guilt. Through the blood sacrifice their sins are atoned and they return to being innocent.

Innocence is central in victim psychology. Innocent victims of an external evil agency, or an external authoritative agency....
Innocent = good, worthy, chosen...

This is the foundation of the Frankfurt School and this current identity crisis, and why these nihilists refuse free-will to any degree.
They must remain innocent, in their ignorance - ignorance is not only bliss it is pure....like animals....they want to remain manimals.

Another interesting connection is that these types need external authority, or become obsessed with icons, idols, or sacred texts - prone to personality worship, or being swept away by an external agency/power.
It's because they need something, someone, to hide behind and to accuse, if things go bad; take the blame, so as to maintain their innocence.
They always speak using authorities, the words of others - sacred texts, holy books, iconic manuals.
They need proxies...a leader....which they sanctify and adore...like children worship a parental figure.
They need someone other than themselves to be responsible, to take the blame, so that they can remain innocent children just playing around.

Feminization of Man is part of the messianic mission called Tikkun Olam; Tikkun ha-Shekinah is the goal.
Androgyny.
"Healing the world of its divisions.
Returning the world to its original state."

Anti-life. Anti-nature.

I'm reminded of what the philosopher is at their most balanced state being 51% masculine 49% feminine. The majority masculine aspect is important because it maintains a sense of responsibility to adapt to flux.

The charlatan or priest on the other hand at their most balanced is 49% masculine and 51% feminine. The majority feminine aspect drives them towards escaping responsibility towards adapting to flux. I would probably also say that they ideally want to be 50%/50% which is the androgynous ideal.

There is no perfect balance.
Balance is a constant fluctuation. I use the metaphor of a surfer who adjusts his mass, upon the boar, in relation to the water flow/waves...
Balance is a constant shifting, adjusting...never perfect...

Impulso Oscuro wrote:

I'm reminded of what the philosopher is at their most balanced state being 51% masculine 49% feminine. The majority masculine aspect is important because it maintains a sense of responsibility to adapt to flux.

The charlatan or priest on the other hand at their most balanced is 49% masculine and 51% feminine. The majority feminine aspect drives them towards escaping responsibility towards adapting to flux. I would probably also say that they ideally want to be 50%/50% which is the androgynous ideal.

This is exactly so...
any shift from 51%/49% male/female, to 49%/51% is a shift from philosophy to occultism, superstition.....
Male mind reveals, the feminine conceals, preserving her mystique and her exclusive access to the unknown.
Male mind wants to uncover, un-forget, reveal, so as to dominate and usurp.

Of course masculinity unbalanced can become authoritarian, or absurd in its desire to usurp and dominate.
A feminine humility must keep the balance - man cannot usurp the gods, representing natural order.
hypermasculinity is feminization attempting to overcompensate with declarations of godliness - absurdity unleashed; hubris.

When Plato described a philosopher as a hybrid: part scientist and part artist, he was referring to this balance of masculine/feminine, with the masculine always dominant otherwise the philosopher becomes a mystic, a priest seducing rather than convincing.

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^ Though I hate when people keep using word demon the wrong way, demons can be good beings

Taking feminism to its own logical end, viz., adhering to its foundational principles and following them to their end, leads to male non-participaiton. Un-invested males are socioeconomically disruptive.
When men have no stake in the future they simply focus in the present, i.e., hedonism, escapism, egoism...
Institutions fill some of the void left by males pulling away. Women are "married" to the state or to some institution, usually associated with their job, i.e., career.
But this cannot gratify their physical nor their psychological needs/desires, so many indulge in promiscuous lifestyles - Sex and the City urban types - but fail to find happiness.
In the meantime males turn to artificially produced simulations of reality, e.g., gaming, sports, pornography, movies, drugs....

Sold on romantic idealism neither will settle....especially not females who are, by their very nature, more selective.
Such females settle for loneliness or single motherhood - institutions becoming protectors providers.

Marriage in Paternalistic systems - traditional marriages - was about forming family alliances.
Mariage in this postmoderns world - nihilistic - is about gratifying female needs/desires, requiring men to emasculate themselves.

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Get ready ladies...by destroying western Paternalism and converting toxic males to what, you thought, were ideal males - sensitive, tolerant, emotional etc. - this is what is coming your way.
And many of you want it...'cause there aren't any "real men" left in the west so you want to import some.
But there's no need to accept responsibility for your "good intentions", 'cause it's been determined cosmically.
Neither you, nor me, nor anyone, but fate, is to be blamed.
It is part of divine will, or universal order.

Did they convince you Americanism was the end, the Last Man living in the Last Empire? Ha!!!
Well, divine providence also decreed that you would be duped, so let's Stoically take it.
No need to change your minds or question your ideals....because there are no mistakes. It's all determined, and our choices are also determined.

But women and the beta males they've created will not change their minds.
To change your mind requires accepting responsibility and there's two reasons women will never accept responsibility:
1- it's all determined and they really had any choice in the matter.
2- someone seduced them and sold them on a crock of shit, and they do not know who or why sold them on such beautiful, romantic, inspiring ideals.
I do.

That's what happens when choice is not curbed by force, whether by man/nature's hand.

Absolute "choice" is chaos because it implies no pattern to its direction.
Absolute "force" is order because it implies a beginning/end to its direction.

Those who sell choice rely on force, taking advantage of the disregard for patterns. Those who justify force rely on choice, taking advantage of the regard for patterns.

Stable environments suit them, so its no surprise women and feminines would project this adaptation as some metaphysical reality.

Impulso Oscuro wrote:

Stable environments suit them, so its no surprise women and feminines would project this adaptation as some metaphysical reality.

Indeed...so the absolute is particularly attractive to the feminine spirit....even in males.
We get masculine and feminine cultures, ideologies.
The organism is replaced by the superorganism.
Memetics project genetics outward. the esoteric is externalized as technique/technology, i.e., art, artifice...

I was recently described (on ILP, where else?) as a "right wing hippy" and so it's probably no surprise that I have some pretty conservative values when it comes to morality, loyalty, family, personal responsibility and so on, and I'm definitely not a fan of feminisim and what it is doing to our society. Men and women quite clearly have both strengths and weaknesses that compliment each other, and these should be nurtured, not suppressed, as is the case today. It's actually quite appalling.

Maia wrote:

I was recently described (on ILP, where else?) as a "right wing hippy" and so it's probably no surprise that I have some pretty conservative values when it comes to morality, loyalty, family, personal responsibility and so on, and I'm definitely not a fan of feminisim and what it is doing to our society. Men and women quite clearly have both strengths and weaknesses that compliment each other, and these should be nurtured, not suppressed, as is the case today. It's actually quite appalling.

I know...and it is why you came here.
You seek the real.
You value nature above human ideologies and societies, as foundational.
You want to preserve, not destroy, heritage.
You honour your ancestors and ancestry.
You have an identity.

This gives you immunity to the madness of nihilism.
An outsider.

Satyr wrote:

Maia wrote:

I was recently described (on ILP, where else?) as a "right wing hippy" and so it's probably no surprise that I have some pretty conservative values when it comes to morality, loyalty, family, personal responsibility and so on, and I'm definitely not a fan of feminisim and what it is doing to our society. Men and women quite clearly have both strengths and weaknesses that compliment each other, and these should be nurtured, not suppressed, as is the case today. It's actually quite appalling.

I know...and it is why you came here.
You seek the real.
You value nature above human ideologies and societies, as foundational.
You want to preserve, not destroy, heritage.
You honour your ancestors and ancestry.
You have an identity.

This gives you immunity to the madness of nihilism.  
An outsider.

Only that which is real and natural is worth pursuing. The rest is artifice.

Artifice - art - serving the natural produces harmony.
The motive of the agent, the will, is essential.
If my motive is to contradict, deny, reject, usurp nature then this will have negative effects on me....not nature.
Natural order is indifferent to human ideologies.

Therefore, the rejection of male/female natural identifiers manifests psychosis that leads to dysfunctions...and these can only lead to death because they are unable to survive within nature unless they are sheltered by some agency.

Transsexuality, for example, is parasitical. It cannot replicate itself, but depends on heterosexuality to poropagate....as a mutation, which requires institutionalized support, i.e., a collective to protect it by absorbing the negative consequences and distribute them uniformly.

Satyr wrote:

Artifice - art - serving the natural produces harmony.
The motive of the agent, the will, is essential.
If my motive is to contradict, deny, reject, usurp nature then this will have negative effects on me....not nature.
Natural order is indifferent to human ideologies.  

The harmonious, life-giving aesthetics of nature as opposed to the jarring, harsh sounds of destruction. It can all be overwhelming sometimes.

Satyr wrote:

Therefore, the rejection of male/female natural identifiers manifests psychosis that leads to dysfunctions...and these can only lead to death because they are unable to survive within nature unless they are sheltered by some agency.

Transsexuality, for example, is parasitical. It cannot replicate itself, but depends on heterosexuality to poropagate....as a mutation, which requires institutionalized support, i.e., a collective to protect it by absorbing the negative consequences and distribute them uniformly.
 

Literally stomach-churning, to be honest. And I'm sure that everyone feels the same way, deep down.