Plants have a rudimentary form of awareness and they have no nervous system - including a brain as its hub. Brains evolved to focus an organism's aggregate energies upon an objective, originally being no more than nutrients. Food is how you make friends with organic life.
There's judging and choosing on a physical level requiring no brain/mind. Free-will - expressed as choice, intent - is dismissed because the brain becomes aware of its body's judgements and choices after the fact...as if someone, or something else was in charge. One reason we wear clothes - other than for protection - is to conceal the body's automatic reactions, or what it reveals about us, contradicting the lies the mind invents to participate in groups.
The body - including the face - is your consciousness. Your consciousness is not other than your body. Your face - and entire body - reveal your past - not only your persona past, but your inherited past. That we learn to control our face indicates a desire to conceal. A smile is how feelings manifest physically. It may not always mean joy...but it may mean tension. The devil is in the details.
Feedback helps discussion evolve when there is interest in unexplained phenomena.
There’s a lot of additional research material available to investigate, particularly the book, Irreducible Mind, and the findings of the Department of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia.
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So many books, so little time. Each reader brings his knowledge and understanding of what he's read and experienced to the dialogue table of reason and empiricism. The goal is objectivity in a sea of subjectivity.
Unexplained phenomena cannot be explained with superstitions and the supernatural. They either remain unexplained, or await explanation....but all explanations must remain within the possible, i.e., space/time - existence. Otherwise everything can be "explained" by evoking the supernatural or the fantastic, or the non-existent, viz., that which is "not in existence".
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In all things I ascribe a probability... I am no absolutist.
If evidence is present, probability multiplies. If it is empirically falsifiable, it increases. If it is rational, it increases.
Your god is a possibility....with low, low, very low probability.... So low I refuse to waste my time on it, unless something occurs to increase its probability.
When a theory contradicts the empirical, the experienced...I place it in the negative probability range - "nihilistic," I call it.
In all things I ascribe a probability... I am no absolutist.
If evidence is present, probability multiplies. If it is empirically falsifiable, it increases. If it is rational, it increases.
Your god is a possibility....with low, low, very low probability.... So low I refuse to waste my time on it, unless something occurs to increase its probability.
When a theory contradicts the empirical, the experienced...I place it in the negative probability range - "nihilistic," I call it.
same goes for Leprechauns and Minotaurs ...etc.
Your life is not absolute? There’s degrees to living? You are not a whole you?
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Self is a process. Life is the constant rejection of death.
Absolute = immutable, indivisible. I am both mutable and divisible.
You are confused by self-consciousness. You associate 'self' with the abstraction in your mind - mind is where absolute exist as ideas., concepts, abstractinos. This confusion is also why many reject free-will. They identify with the part of consciousness becoming aware of itself.....so the mind is alienated from itself. It perceives itself as another.
Life is change. Life is action. Action is not what life does, and change is not what happens to life. Life happens. It interacts....is in constant struggle to maintain itself in the flux. Life is process. Consciousness sis not a thing...it is an activity. It is divisible in space/time. You are never at rest...the cosmos is dynamic - expanding interacting, fluctuating. Consciousness is a continuous process of interpreting this interactivity.
Division and multiplicity is the way the mind deals with fluidity - flux. It reduces the dynamic to abstractinos, which cannot represent fluidity. Mathematics, being a language, deals with this using multiplicity and division. 1 and multiples of it.
I say 'abstraction' is a translation, and translation/interpretation is a simplification/generalization. What does this mean? The mind reduces probabilities to a ' singularity' (certainty) - a 'thing'. As such 'absolute' is also a term expressing certainty - high probability. It does this by sacrificing possibilities, i.e., spatial dimensions, reducing them down to what the brain can manage. More sophisticated brains can deal with more possibilities.
So, pragmatically, when we see a stone we cut away the background, reducing its space/time into a singularity encompassed by the beginning and end of our perceiving. We reduce the stone to a static thing, and then cut away the background, the hill, the environment. We convert the dynamic to a static representation. Then, to deal with the loss we multiply and divide the static singularity to compensate for the loss of fluidity. So, everything is divisible means fluidity must be represented through this division...and multiplication. In spoken language we use verbs. Being is Becoming.
When we perceive a tree we cannot conceptualize its dynamic processes...it is in constant flux, constantly changing.....so our brain reduces it down to a 'thing' to perceive and process it (abstract it)....and store it in memory. This abstraction is then constantly being juxtaposed with the next...and the next....creating the experience of movement. This stream of thought is consciousness.
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Life is change. Life is action. Action is not what life does, and change is not what happens to life. Life happens. It interacts....is in constant struggle to maintain itself in the flux. Life is process.
Consciousness sis not a thing...it is an activity. It is divisible in space/time. You are never at rest...the cosmos is dynamic - expanding interacting, fluctuating. Consciousness is a continuous process of interpreting this interactivity.
Division and multiplicity is the way the mind deals with fluidity - flux. It reduces the dynamic to abstractinos, which cannot represent fluidity. Mathematics, being a language, deals with this using multiplicity and division. 1 and multiples of it.
I say 'abstraction' is a translation, and translation/interpretation is a simplification/generalization. What does this mean? The mind reduces probabilities to a ' singularity - a 'thing'. It does this by sacrificing possibilities, i.e., space, dimensions.
So, pragmatically, when we see a stone we cut away the background, reducing its space/time into a singularity encompassed by the beginning and end of our perceiving. We reduce the stone to a static thing, and then cut away the background, the hill, the environment. We convert the dynamic to a static representation. Then, to deal with the loss we multiply and divide the static singularity to compensate for the loss of fluidity.
So, everything is divisible means fluidity must be represented through this division...and multiplication.
When we perceive a tree we cannot conceptualize its dynamic process...it is in constant flus, constantly changing.....so our brain reduces it down to a 'thing' to perceive and process it (abstract it)....and store it in memory. This abstraction is then constantly being juxtaposed with the next...and the next....creating the experience of movement. This stream of thought is consciousness.
The act of being alive does not change or evolve. There is no alter-life, half-life, meta-life, life multiplicity. One life is a constant one life. Consciousness is not a divisible process. Nor is consciousness mutable.
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You are intentionally trying to convolute your language, because you are addicted to certainty, to being. Life is the act....Life is not a thing that acts. One individual life is also changing.
Now we are entering to what life is, in relation to non-living energies, viz., patterns in temporary harmony.
Life is a unity held together by....memory. Memory is the connector - DNA is memory, i.e., inherited memories in the form of neural, cellular algorithms. So, although life is constantly changing, it remains a unity because of memory. Identity is a dynamic continuum, not a static thing.
When we die all these memories return to the flux as energies no longer arranged into neural networks.
You are intentionally trying to convolute your language, because you are addicted to certainty, to being. Life is the act....Life is not a thing that acts. One individual life is also changing.
Now we are entering to what life is, in relation to non-living energies, viz., patterns in temporary harmony.
Life is a unity held together by....memory. Memory is the connector - DNA is memory, i.e., inherited memories in the form of neural, cellular algorithms. So, although life is constantly changing, it remains a unity because of memory. Identity is a dynamic continuum, not a static thing.
When we die all these memories return to the flux as energies no longer arranged into neural networks.
If life(a consciousness)is not a thing that acts as you stated above, then that is determinism.
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I think you have a cognitive inability to conceptualize Dynamics processes. You are trapped in static abstractions. You are limited by your mind's abstractions. You confuse the representation for the represented. It's unfortunate...and I cannot do anything about it. It's about inherited - genetic - potentials.
No Being...only Becoming. Being is how you conceptualize Becoming.
I think you have a cognitive inability to conceptualize Dynamics processes. You are trapped in static abstractions. You are limited by your mind's abstractions. You confuse the representation for the represented. It's unfortunate...and I cannot do anything about it. It's about inherited - genetic - potentials.
No Being...only Becoming. Being is how you conceptualize Becoming.
What do you become other than the consciousness called you?
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If life(a consciousness)is not a thing that acts as you stated above, then that is determinism.
Yes....I never denied determinism. I denied the absence of agency. A life participated in determinism with its judgments and choices. I reject "hard determinism" which implies - and does not openly admit - an external authority, a god, which they secularize and rename "universe" or "order", maintaining the idea of innocence, salvation....slavishness. Man described as an automaton - a slave....a minion, with no agency.
Recovering Abrahamics, pretending to have transcended what they cannot let go of.
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Satyr Daemon
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I think you have a cognitive inability to conceptualize Dynamics processes. You are trapped in static abstractions. You are limited by your mind's abstractions. You confuse the representation for the represented. It's unfortunate...and I cannot do anything about it. It's about inherited - genetic - potentials.
No Being...only Becoming. Being is how you conceptualize Becoming.
What do you become other than the consciousness called you?
Your confusion between finality and death is part of your Abrahamic limitations. Death is but the disorganization of memories - energies. Energies do not end....they change. Their arrangements are rearranged....
