Satyr

Got kicked off of ILP again.

It's no longer a matter of "if" I will be kicked off of ILP permanently.

It's now a matter of how long I will last before it happens.

Like Satyr, I no longer have the tolerance for idiots and assholes.

Of course, being condemned to the rest of my message board life with an asshole like Satyr seems like hell. But even at that, it could be worse.

At least I can tell Satyr to go fuck himself and he will take it as a compliment.

Hello d.

eyesinthedark wrote:

In closing, I didn't come to a conclusion about extra terrestrial space craft over night.

I've always been fascinated by the prospect of their existence.

I've been wrestling with the problem since I was a small boy, they exist, they don't exist, they exist, they don't exist, even then I had a philosophical/scientific mind.

I've read several books and watched dozens of documentaries on the subject.

Who, the fuck, gives a shit how long it took you to come to a stupid conclusion?
Being "slow" is exactly that.

eyesinthedark wrote:

However, i didn't become a believer (and even now I'm not a firm believer) until I watched full disclosure, and this other documentary, I believe it was called- UFOs, the best evidence. Full disclosure and that documentary pushed me over the edge. Also, learning of the star child skull added credence to their claims. However, I'm more skeptical about it.

Ah...well then, if you saw THAT documentary then it all makes sense now.
Shit, boy, we live in an age of information overload, you can find a "documentary" and an "expert" featured on it to defend just about any idea.

It's part of the control mechanism: flood the area with information so that any idiot cannot display the judgment to differentiate between probable and improbable.
All is equated in abundance.

eyesinthedark wrote:

What am I supposed to do?
I can't ignore hundreds of the best and brightest, from the airforce to NASA, coming forward and telling me they've witnessed everything from bright lights in the sky to cigar and disk shaped craft (with domes and windows), darting from one horizon to another in a nano second and then coming to a complete halt, flying in formation, chasing our aircraft and turning our missile defense/offense systems and other devices off and on. Maybe you, a dogmatic, staunch conservative can ignore such overwhelming evidence, but I. Can. Not. We are not alone, Mr Satyr, we are almost certainly not alone.

My God, douche-bag, are you this stupid or is it an act?
Who said we are alone?
Listen, you nitwit, let us take it for granted that mathematically speaking we are not alone in the universe, a given.
Now, you stupid fuck, consider how large the universe is, what the odds are that a civilization would spot us in the vastness or that one would develop at exactly the same time as ours (time being a dimension, you simpleton), and then how long we've been sending off electromagnetic signals in space for them to pick-up, directing them to our location.

Now, after all that, you stupid fucktard, think about what the odds are, given that with our meager human means we cannot find but a few planets, and then, moron, think about the mathematical odds of them, whomever they are, first finding us in the immenseness of space, then traveling here, and then, ironically, being inept enough to not be able to even avoid our weak technological methods of awareness. A species that can travel across light-years of space-time unable to evade the technologies of a primitive species. then consider the motive as to why they would even wish to remain hidden, given their superiority.
Then, you simpleton, retard, we can tackle the motives and the reasons, no matter the conspiratorial complications of keeping secrets like these.
After all that, you moronic, whore-spawn, maybe, just maybe, we can deal with the psychological reasons why an imbecile, like you, can give-in to such ploys, on the grounds that it "can be true" therefore it must be so...or on the grounds that other morons seem to support its delusions.

Now, I remind you, you stupid, imbecile, son of a bitch, that throughout history there have been "respectable", otherwise normal, with many socially accredited credentials and social positions of status who have proclaimed the truth of many stupidities.

eyesinthedark wrote:

Plus, there's much, much more evidence, but I don't feel like getting into it, we got into it a little already.

Please spare us the effort, you dumb-fuck, because if it is as convincing as what you've already provided then I cannot waste any more time on it.

I know that remaining unconvinced about every hair-brained idea some charlatan convinces thousands of retards is true, can be considered cowardice and a result of fear, but douche-bag this can be used against any naysayer.

eyesinthedark wrote:

You're right when you say some of it can't be identified, perhaps some of the UFOs are weird weather phenomena.. or even lifeforms, mysterious, glowing lifeforms, or something presently beyond our comprehension and imagination, but of course most of them can be identified as hoaxes or ordinary, misinterpreted phenomena.

Retard, a mind with self-respect and integrity, and most of all with a mere semblance of courage, does not conclude that what it senses and cannot explain is automatically the product of the extraordinary.

I remind you, imbecile, that stealth technology, which is presently considered "old news" was a matter of national top secrecy in previous times...just as internet technologies were.
I can suspect that if they can release the knowledge of such technologies now that they posses technologies that surpass them and remain unknown to us presently.

But more than this, you imbecile, you must consider the experiences one by one and not altogether, lending self-referential mutual support through numbers. Each particular incident might be due to different factors, and none of them can be mutually supportive, except in that they are all unknown or yet to be explained.

You stupid, fucked-up imbecile, that mathematically speaking aliens civilizations might exist, somewhere out there, does not lead to the conclusion and does not constitute an argument that they are here now, visiting us. Imbecile the odds that there are still undiscovered animal species out there does not increase the odds that one of them is living up my arse and is in control of my brain, as we speak...although in your case it is more likely.

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cranapple wrote:

like i said you don't have an explanation for his experience so you just went off on a tangent/tirade of psychics, faith-healers etc when he isn't one or necessarily believed in it and ridiculous strawmen of porcupines magically crawling out of asses (because of course that definitely will not happen) as if it's an equal and valid analogy.

he had an experience and wasn't asking what if, that's your projections of your own to dismiss it.

No, douche-bag it was you who used this second-hand account to defend a hypothesis with no other evidence than "what if?" and "he said so".
It was you, moron, who insinuated shit, and I merely did not buy into your insinuations.
If I did then why would I not also buy into the same tactics Christians use to prove the existence of their God and that He conducts miracles?

eyesinthedark wrote:

what bothers you so much about such stories or experiences? that there is no definitive explanation for all experiences so therefore you think it has to be bullshit, because it's safer or confirms our own concept of reality at a given time.

Because, moron, you use it as a definite proof, as if one or two or ten testimonies constitute definite evidence and not just evidence which requires an explanation besides the "supernatural' or the "extraordinary."

eyesinthedark wrote:

why not just leave it be to 'we don't know' the answer to everything?

I don't know the "answer to everything" imbecile, and that's why I read books and write essays. But, moron, that I do not know everything, in the absolute, does not mean that I know nothing, in the absolute.
Get it yet, you moron?

Let me be more precise, because despite my earlier efforts you seem to be too dense to understand....a negative, you imbecile, as in my hypothetical absolute ignorance, does not, NOT, constitute an argument for, or proof of, an absolute positive...as in your imaginative shared delusions.
Imbecile, another way of understanding it: my hypothetical ignorance does not make your hypothetical gnosis more plausible.

This is an argument based on negativity, and all can use it. It is so easy, you dumb fuck, that all HAVE used it throughout time to defend everything from spirits, to God, and from angels and ghosts to the centrality of the earth in the cosmos.
The "I do not know" and "You do not know" does not equate our ignorance, you Judeo-Christian fag. There is no uniformity of weakness here, stupid fuck...and it is not the meek who shall inherit the earth either.

One more way, because your kind is as thick as molasses...if I say I do not know what causes A or B phenomenon, which I've seen first-hand and not been told of it by another, and when I've discounted all psychosomatic probabilities, including neurosis and the effects of impressionability and social and cultural influences, then you stupid moron this still leaves me with an unknown.
That, hypothetically and mathematically the odds are for a possibility, taking it for granted that I've fully explored and analyzed the probabilities, this still does not make this hypothesis the one and only hypothesis.
In fact, you moron, it is ignorance itself that opens up the possibilities for any number of explanations which I am not aware of, despite the fact that I wish to pretend to myself that I know when I am an ignorant fuck.
Let me make it simpler, for a moron like you...in the Dark Ages a moron of that time, would be far inferior to the moron of our time...and to him the Northern Lights would be an unexplained phenomenon which he could not explain himself and which he can then use what he was told, i.e. that God exists and spirits roamed the earth, to explain it all and so that he can go to bed and sleep easily...thusly alleviating the natural anxiety caused by an unknown environmental element.


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d63tark wrote:

Got kicked off of ILP again.

It's no longer a matter of "if" I will be kicked off of ILP permanently.

It's now a matter of how long I will last before it happens.

Like Satyr, I no longer have the tolerance for idiots and assholes.

Of course, being condemned to the rest of my message board life with an asshole like Satyr seems like hell. But even at that, it could be worse.

Who...the....fuck.....cares?

Add yourself to the many morons populating this and every other forum out there...only here we know what and who they are...and we use them in the appropriate manner.

Did you see lights in the sky, drunkard?
Maybe it was not due to your spinning skull and your alcohol drowning brain.

Now tell em how up to my level you are and how you've contributed to my awareness, as an equal.

Hey, did you know about our dungeon?
It's where we keep animals who are undisciplined. The more disciplined ones, or the ones that now wear different clothes and put on a more civil demeanor, we tolerate up here in the main event....the Agora....the town square.
I'm sure you will find many of your kind here....one or two wearing different faces, but smelling of the same sweats.

We are more tolerant here, because we do not so easily open the bedroom and dining hall doors to dirt, but we only lower the gates to the foyer where mud and flies and pigs can enter.

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Who, the fuck, gives a shit how long it took you to come to a stupid conclusion?
Being "slow" is exactly that.

This isn't an argument. On complex subjects such as this, it pays to come to a decision slowly, only a simpleton would come to a firm, quick decision prior to thoroughly analyzing all the data.

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Ah...well then, if you saw THAT documentary then it all makes sense now.
Shit, boy, we live in an age of information overload, you can find a "documentary" and an "expert" featured on it to defend just about any idea.

It's part of the control mechanism: flood the area with information so that any idiot cannot display the judgment to differentiate between probable and improbable.
All is equated in abundance.

I have watched documentaries from both perspectives, and have read books, and have considered both carefully, unlike you, who won't believe in something simply because "it isn't necessary". Right, it's not necessary for you to believe or disbelieve in aliens, nor is it necessary for you to believe in the great wall of China.

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My God, douche-bag, are you this stupid or is it an act?
Who said we are alone?
Listen, you nitwit, let us take it for granted that mathematically speaking we are not alone in the universe, a given.
Now, you stupid fuck, consider how large the universe is, what the odds are that a civilization would spot us in the vastness or that one would develop at exactly the same time as ours (time being a dimension, you simpleton), and then how long we've been sending off electromagnetic signals in space for them to pick-up, directing them to our location.
So if you and a group of people saw a vessel in the sky, fly by and abduct 100 people, you would not believe in it, because you think the odds of aliens locating and reaching us are slim to nil?

You assume life is rare, the universe could be teeming with life at all stages of development, including intelligent, for reasons I mentioned earlier. Life may pass from one planet to another via asteroids and comets. This would make life more prevalent and ubiquitous throughout the universe than your primordial soup theory.

Now, what makes you think they'd have to be at our stage of development? They could be thousands, millions, or even billions of years ahead. Imagine the technology they may have, or are you so small minded to think we've reached the summit of technological development? We continue to make progress annually. Imagine where we could be, centuries, or thousands of years from now. We may have thousands, or millions of vessels dedicated to the exploration of the cosmos, capable of reaching speeds we can only dream of, or accessing warm holes, or some other cosmic glitch.

You make assumptions that significantly reduce the odds of extraterrestrial intelligences ever reaching us. You could just as easily be right as wrong. I, however, make no such assumptions. The universe may be teeming with life, it may not be. Humans may have reached the summit of technological development, on the other hand, thousands of years from now, we may look back on this period as a dark age. You assume intelligent life would have no reason to come here, I assume nothing. Assume, assume, assume. When are you going to stop assuming, asshole, and start investigating at the facts?

Also worth considering, perhaps they discovered this planet millions of years ago. You make the window of opportunity for them to come here smaller than it is, so the odds of them coming here are dramatically less. They may have discovered this planet millions of years ago, and have been monitoring it's development ever since.

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Now, after all that, you stupid fucktard, think about what the odds are, given that with our meager human means we cannot find but a few planets,

The key word here is meager. It entails they'd have far, far superior means of locating us, if they could reach us.

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and then, moron, think about the mathematical odds of them, whomever they are, first finding us in the immenseness of space, then traveling here, and then, ironically, being inept enough to not be able to even avoid our weak technological methods of awareness. A species that can travel across light-years of space-time unable to evade the technologies of a primitive species. then consider the motive as to why they would even wish to remain hidden, given their superiority.

The prime directive, perhaps.. I take it you're probably not a star trek fan. Perhaps they're a species of observers and watchers. They may think we're too primitive for contact. They could be waiting for us to evolve, biologically and culturally.

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Then, you simpleton, retard, we can tackle the motives and the reasons, no matter the conspiratorial complications of keeping secrets like these.
After all that, you moronic, whore-spawn, maybe, just maybe, we can deal with the psychological reasons why an imbecile, like you, can give-in to such ploys, on the grounds that it "can be true" therefore it must be so...or on the grounds that other morons seem to support its delusions.

Retard, you're the one who thinks it can't be true, therefore it must not be true.

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Now, I remind you, you stupid, imbecile, son of a bitch, that throughout history there have been "respectable", otherwise normal, with many socially accredited credentials and social positions of status who have proclaimed the truth of many stupidities.

How you can compare missionaries, and other retards, with dozens of astronauts, thousands of police officers, and thousands of men and women from the army, navy and air force, who have witnessed extraordinary, documented phenomena, who have no agenda, who aren't selling a religion or anything, is beyond me. We're not talking about a bunch of drug addicted, retarded cult members here, we're talking about thousands of the best and brightest, and millions from all walks of life, you're simply going to dismiss all that, because it doesn't fit you're dumb fucking, conservative, Christian paradigm?

I remind you, fucktard, several centuries ago, philosophers and scientists thought it impossible for rocks to fall out of the sky, for there was no ground up there, so they ignored accounts of meteorites for centuries.

I'll deal with the rest of your bullshit later.

..and you call yourself an empiricist, bah, who the fuck are you trying to convince, yourself? You're an empiricist when it suits your agenda, and a rationalist, top-down thinker when it suits your agenda. Alien visitors don't exactly, fit in with your conservative, timocratic paradigm. You assume there is no extra terrestrial life, on pseudo-philosophical, quasi-rational and emotional grounds, so you don't have to deal with any empirical evidence.

eyesinthedark wrote:

So if you and a group of people saw a vessel in the sky, fly by and abduct 100 people, you would not believe in it, because you think the odds of aliens locating and reaching us are slim to nil?

I think more than hundreds of people, have seen sick people get "healed" on stage.

Maybe you should read up on the psychology of groups...Gustave Le Bon.

eyesinthedark wrote:

You assume life is rare, the universe could be teeming with life at all stages of development, including intelligent life, for reasons I mentioned earlier. Life may pass from one planet to another via asteroids and comets. This would make life more prevalent and ubiquitous throughout the universe than your primordial soup theory.

I know....the possibilities are infinite if one explanation is the only one which will do.

eyesinthedark wrote:

Now, what makes you think they'd have to be at our stage of development? They could be thousands, millions, or even billions of years ahead. Imagine the technology they may have, or are you so small minded to think we've reached the summit of technological development? We continue to make progress. Imagine where we could be, centuries, or thousands of years from now. We may have millions of vessels dedicated to the exploration of the cosmos, capable of reaching speeds we can only dream of, or accessing warm holes, or some other cosmic glitch.

I know...if I close my eyes and allow my imagination to roam free, turning into fantasy....the possibilities are endless.

eyesinthedark wrote:

You make assumptions that significantly reduce the odds of extraterrestrial intelligences ever reaching us. You could just as easily be right as wrong. I, however, make no such assumptions. The universe may be teeming with life, it may not be. Humans may have reached the summit of technological development, on the other hand, thousands of years from now, we may look back on this period as a dark age. You assume intelligent life would have no reason to come here, I assume nothing. Assume, assume, assume. When are you going to stop assuming, retard, and start looking at the facts?

No, boy...you assume all....you assume that they, whatever they means, exist...that they are technologically advanced, that they have the technologies to detect and then to travel to us in under 2000 years, that they want to do so, that they are benevolent and that they are in the vicinity, making such a possibility possible.

I'm convinced.
If you can imagine it and a few douche-bags can attest to it, then it must be true.

Oh, and by the way...if I see something like a ghost, the first thing I will try to do is explain it by blaming my self and my senses.

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I think more than hundreds of people, have seen sick people get "healed" on stage.

The difference is they're looking to get healed. Members of the army, navy, policemen, etc aren't looking for a close encounter, they're just doing they're job, and often reluctantly report their sightings, many at the risk of losing their career, or being ridiculed by their superiors, colleagues, friends and family.

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Maybe you should read up on the psychology of groups...Gustave Le Bon.

I'll add that to my list.

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I know....the possibilities are infinite if one explanation is the only one which will do.

Right back at ya hon. Sigh... the possibilities are less than finite if only one explanation...

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I know...if I close my eyes and allow my imagination to roam free, turning into fantasy....the possibilities are endless.

You're not hard to counter, all I have to do is rearrange your own sentences.

The possibilities are slim to nil if we lock our imaginations in a vault, or if we can only imagine why they wouldn't be able/willing to come here (conveniently).

You accuse me of making assumptions. I primarily base my conclusion (extra terrestrial intelligences are probably visiting us) on empirical grounds, not on theoretical possibilities. Theoretically speaking, it's 50/50, or perhaps even 90/10 in favor of your assertion, it's the empirical evidence that makes it probable.

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No, boy...you assume all....you assume that they, whatever they means, exist...that they are technologically advanced, that they have the technologies to detect and then to travel to us in under 2000 years, that they want to do so, that they are benevolent and that they are in the vicinity, making such a possibility possible.

No, I do not assume, it's what the evidence suggests.

If it was merely winos and hics reporting these events, I would not be convinced. If it was a few pilots, I would not be convinced. It's the overwhelming evidence that makes it probable.

Why 2000 years? Perhaps they detected life here a billion, or a million years ago, and then they launched some probes to further investigate. Maybe they're not benevolent, maybe these are just scouts, and the cavalry is on the way, or maybe they destroyed their planet, or someone or something else did, and they fled here. Maybe they just don't have the capability to destroy us.. yet, so they use our planet's resources for the time being, to repair their ships and feed themselves, with whatever it is they need (livestock innards?). They may not be that benevolent, imagine them as interstellar wild life photographers, or sexual perverts, they may like to play with our women, but they do not wish to disturb or significantly alter or interfere with the course of our civilization, or risk getting into conflict with us, they merely wish to observe, or to play.

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I'm convinced.
If you can imagine it and a few douche-bags can attest to it, then it must be true.

A few douche-bags, that's all it is.

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Oh, and by the way...if I see something like a ghost, the first thing I will try to do is explain it by blaming my self and my senses.

I wouldn't... assume... anything, I wouldn't immediately trust/distrust my senses, I would wait for more information. I have seen figures in the dark before, everything from paper that wasn't there, to spiders that vanished before my eyes, to wavy hands, leaves, and other bizarre phenomenon. They were almost certainly hallucinations, and not contact with some other dimension, for my mind was extremely fatigued when I saw them, and I have never seen them when I was fully awake and alert.

On second thought, Hallucinations definitely exist, other dimensions may not, so it is reasonable to, not assume, but think the ghost like phenomenon was more likely a hallucination than genuine, objective reality. However, if me and 9 others, each reported witnessing the exact same ghost simultaneously, and I new these people to be rational, sane people, and we weren't on drugs or stressed at the time, then I probably would conclude the encounter was likely genuine.

It just sounds like you're a dogmatic skeptic to me. You falsely associate skepticism with reason, when you can be a dogmatic skeptic or an open minded skeptic, a dogmatic believer or an open minded believer.

You know, when the Wright brothers and others took flight, I think it actually took several years or so of people reporting them flying, before scientists actually bothered to get off their bloody asses, climbed down from their ivory towers and actually do some scientific, empirical investigating. Man can't fly, therefore, we don't have to investigate. You know, scientists, except for a few mavericks here and there, have not done an independent investigation of UFOs? They refuse. They've become more like clergy, keepers of positive and negative dogmas than actual scientists.

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Retard, a mind with self-respect and integrity, and most of all with a mere semblance of courage, does not conclude that what it senses and cannot explain is automatically the product of the extraordinary.

I remind you, imbecile, that stealth technology, which is presently considered "old news" was a matter of national top secrecy in previous times...just as internet technologies were.
I can suspect that if they can release the knowledge of such technologies now that they posses technologies that surpass them and remain unknown to us presently.

We already went over this shit prior, perhaps you missed it or you're growing senile. They didn't have flying saucers in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, or craft that could have performed maneuvers eye witnesses, from drunken retards to astronauts and pilots, reported seeing them do, there's no bloody way they had the technology back then.

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But more than this, you imbecile, you must consider the experiences one by one and not altogether, lending self-referential mutual support through numbers. Each particular incident might be due to different factors, and none of them can be mutually supportive, except in that they are all unknown or yet to be explained.

I have considered some of them individually, you twat, would it kill you to do a little research of your own, or must I spoon feed you? There's countless books and documentaries out there, for/neutral/against. The air force, astronauts, policemen, etc have not been able to explain them and in some cases can identify them as craft type phenomenon, and who can we trust if not them?

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You stupid, fucked-up imbecile, that mathematically speaking aliens civilizations might exist, somewhere out there, does not lead to the conclusion and does not constitute an argument that they are here now, visiting us. Imbecile the odds that there are still undiscovered animal species out there does not increase the odds that one of them is living up my arse and is in control of my brain, as we speak...although in your case it is more likely.

Blah, blah, blah, you're repeating yourself, senile one.

Right back at ya, bitch.

Watch this--

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If, after that, you're not the least bit swayed, then there's no hope for you.

In some cases, individuals and groups from the airforce, and other departments of the government, are not merely saying they saw something they could not explain, they're saying they saw something that could best be described as some type of aircraft, not of this earth, or way beyond our capabilities, and multiple members from their department saw them, and electronic devices confirmed what they were seeing.

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Retard, a mind with self-respect and integrity, and most of all with a mere semblance of courage, does not conclude that what it senses and cannot explain is automatically the product of the extraordinary.

I remind you, imbecile, that stealth technology, which is presently considered "old news" was a matter of national top secrecy in previous times...just as internet technologies were.
I can suspect that if they can release the knowledge of such technologies now that they posses technologies that surpass them and remain unknown to us presently.

We already went over this shit prior, perhaps you missed it or you're growing senile. They didn't have flying saucers in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, or craft that could have performed maneuvers eye witnesses, from drunken retards to astronauts and pilots, reported seeing them do, there's no bloody way they had the technology back then.

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But more than this, you imbecile, you must consider the experiences one by one and not altogether, lending self-referential mutual support through numbers. Each particular incident might be due to different factors, and none of them can be mutually supportive, except in that they are all unknown or yet to be explained.

I have considered some of them individually, you twat, would it kill you to do a little research of your own, or must I spoon feed you? There's countless books and documentaries out there, for/neutral/against. The air force, astronauts, policemen, etc have not been able to explain them and in some cases can identify them as craft type phenomenon, and who can we trust if not them?

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You stupid, fucked-up imbecile, that mathematically speaking aliens civilizations might exist, somewhere out there, does not lead to the conclusion and does not constitute an argument that they are here now, visiting us. Imbecile the odds that there are still undiscovered animal species out there does not increase the odds that one of them is living up my arse and is in control of my brain, as we speak...although in your case it is more likely.

Blah, blah, blah, you're repeating yourself, senile one.

Right back at ya, bitch.

Guess who you remind me of.

blindinthedark wrote:

Watch this--

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If, after that, you're not the least bit swayed, then there's no hope for you.

I'm convinced.

Let us do something easy...let us allow time to decide.

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Guess who you remind me of.

I was going to say- quite frankly I don't give a fuck... but that would be a little disingenuous.

Sure, I'll indulge-

d63?

I think I remind you of an updated, upgraded, postmodern, new age version of a Mormon or a Jehovah's witness, hiding in probabilities, possibilities and fantasies, for his realities are less than adequate for him, and trying to pass off his glaring, burgeoning schizophrenia as rational and scientific.

You know who you remind me of?

No one in particular, just a stubborn, willfully ignorant, narrow minded individual. I think you're brilliant in some areas, regarding the known, but limited in other areas, regarding the probable, and the unknown.

You're idealizing/living in the past, for you're living in a world that increasingly can't relate with, nor welcome you and your kind. You long for a return to the morals and values of 19th century America, or 5th century Athens, but you and I both know that is highly, highly improbable (hence your cynicism, melancholy, misanthropy and pessimism).

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I'm convinced.

Let us do something easy...let us allow time to decide.

Fair enough.

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cranapple wrote:

like i said you don't have an explanation for his experience so you just went off on a tangent/tirade of psychics, faith-healers etc when he isn't one or necessarily believed in it and ridiculous strawmen of porcupines magically crawling out of asses (because of course that definitely will not happen) as if it's an equal and valid analogy.

he had an experience and wasn't asking what if, that's your projections of your own to dismiss it.
No, douche-bag it was you who used this second-hand account to defend a hypothesis with no other evidence than "what if?" and "he said so".
It was you, moron, who insinuated shit, and I merely did not buy into your insinuations.
If I did then why would I not also buy into the same tactics Christians use to prove the existence of their God and that He conducts miracles?

eyesinthedark wrote:
what bothers you so much about such stories or experiences? that there is no definitive explanation for all experiences so therefore you think it has to be bullshit, because it's safer or confirms our own concept of reality at a given time.
Because, moron, you use it as a definite proof, as if one or two or ten testimonies constitute definite evidence and not just evidence which requires an explanation besides the "supernatural' or the "extraordinary."

eyesinthedark wrote:
why not just leave it be to 'we don't know' the answer to everything?
I don't know the "answer to everything" imbecile, and that's why I read books and write essays. But, moron, that I do not know everything, in the absolute, does not mean that I know nothing, in the absolute.
Get it yet, you moron?

Let me be more precise, because despite my earlier efforts you seem to be too dense to understand....a negative, you imbecile, as in my hypothetical absolute ignorance, does not, NOT, constitute an argument for, or proof of, an absolute positive...as in your imaginative shared delusions.
Imbecile, another way of understanding it: my hypothetical ignorance does not make your hypothetical gnosis more plausible.

This is an argument based on negativity, and all can use it. It is so easy, you dumb fuck, that all HAVE used it throughout time to defend everything from spirits, to God, and from angels and ghosts to the centrality of the earth in the cosmos.
The "I do not know" and "You do not know" does not equate our ignorance, you Judeo-Christian fag. There is no uniformity of weakness here, stupid fuck...and it is not the meek who shall inherit the earth either.

One more way, because your kind is as thick as molasses...if I say I do not know what causes A or B phenomenon, which I've seen first-hand and not been told of it by another, and when I've discounted all psychosomatic probabilities, including neurosis and the effects of impressionability and social and cultural influences, then you stupid moron this still leaves me with an unknown.
That, hypothetically and mathematically the odds are for a possibility, taking it for granted that I've fully explored and analyzed the probabilities, this still does not make this hypothesis the one and only hypothesis.
In fact, you moron, it is ignorance itself that opens up the possibilities for any number of explanations which I am not aware of, despite the fact that I wish to pretend to myself that I know when I am an ignorant fuck.
Let me make it simpler, for a moron like you...in the Dark Ages a moron of that time, would be far inferior to the moron of our time...and to him the Northern Lights would be an unexplained phenomenon which he could not explain himself and which he can then use what he was told, i.e. that God exists and spirits roamed the earth, to explain it all and so that he can go to bed and sleep easily...thusly alleviating the natural anxiety caused by an unknown environmental element.

your replies to this story or experience show that you're limited in your critical thinking as well as have your own biases and limitations just like everyone else. so don't school others where you shut off.

i never made any definite conclusions. i just simply shared that people have experiences that sometimes challenge our notions of what is considered reality. read. i never said it was ghosts but that it's a possibility as well as other possible answers which may or may not be true. if one has an experience that is unusual, they may share it. the natural conclusion is to speculate on the causes BUT if the experience, again, challenges current concepts of what is and is not possible, it makes people like you very uncomfortable. of course, if one were to conclude that it has to be ghosts as well as another convenient assumption that it's just imagination or mental disorder, then it's dismissing the possiblity that it isn't. that was the point. it's YOU who is jumping to definite conclusions. the simple one, it's just bullshit.

again, you went off on a non-sensical tirade. and i'm definitely not a moron. it's you who are contradicting yourself and your supposed grasp on reality which is superior to others, which is a laugh.

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