inner illusions

I've recently decided:

Video entertainment is toxic to one's inner vision.

Amusing inner illusions, keep repeating and spreading and warping.

Especially sex and violence.

A battle goes on within the mind, between various meta concepts.

I will see if i can cut off most movies, tv shows, etc.

I believe these are toxic now.

If your mind is black, or you see normal good things,
it is a good sign.
But if you see characters from TV shows etc,
that is a conflict of thoughtforms.
Stray thought viruses that want to grow and take charge.

This may be very hard for some people to understand.
It may sound like nonsense.
I promise you, what you view effects you on a deeper level.
You're not immune to everything.
It's ok to let go of fun and appealing things.
They can leave room for greater things.

I absolutely agree with this. It’s nice to see someone else recognize this spiritual impoverishment.

The dualistic separation of mind from body is the functioning apparatus of most moderns. Their mental/psychological health is taken for granted because there is no self-awareness in them that organically connects it to their physiology. They think primitively, only through the physical do they measure pain or suffering, while the spiritual/psychological, the suffering is experienced only as a ‘lacking’, a void, that becomes deeper, requiring more stimulus, more sensual excess. This is why most are terrified to be alone with their thoughts, because these psychological illnesses brought on, and caused by these exposures, will torment them if they are allowed to surface. They would have no introspective defenses to manage their toxic affects, and so they must find more ways to escape themselves. The mindless culture of imagery is a Huxlean 'Soma' sedative; keeping the masses enslaved to their own primitive nature and impulses, on the level of animals. Consider as well the drudgery of public music that broadcasts everywhere as well, all the time. Same process. Constant stimulation, desensitization, turning the individual nature upon itself. It has to do with the escape from oneself through these imagery mediums. The inability to confront the damage they inflict on the identity.

I know the art of being a hermit is associated with religion.
However, I think it is good to withdraw from society, at least for a time.
Or withdraw from media.
The mind has a way of refining itself, if given enough time and sufficient tools.
That is where wisdom originally comes from : refinement and improvement of the mind,
at least part-way improved.
Some cells are cancerous some aren't.
Some wisdom is cancerous but most of it isn't.
When I say cancerous, i mean something inside us that works counter to
the benifite of the whole body-mind.
Amputation is sometimes needed.
But in the case of mind, letting go of flawed ideas is a little
bit like amputating a diseased appendage.

I wish i could shed more light on the subject.
But that's all I've got for now.

Dan~~ wrote:

Some cells are cancerous some aren't.
Some wisdom is cancerous but most of it isn't.
When I say cancerous, i mean something inside us that works counter to
the benifite of the whole body-mind.

This "something' is the individual consciousness, the self. However, if there is no ability to become aware of this consciousness, then no circumvention of these "cancers" is possible. This is what separates the higher from the lower man. There is greater suffering in self-consciousness because it reveals more truth about oneself; there is lessor suffering in escaping those truths through immersion of the self in stimulation, endless distraction, chaos. This escape from suffering however, acts as an accumulation of it, that will return to yield misery and pain in even more intense forms because they were left unchecked.

Dan~~ wrote:

Amputation is sometimes needed.
But in the case of mind, letting go of flawed ideas is a little
bit like amputating a diseased appendage.

One's past cannot be 'amputated' though. It can only be faced and then accepted, incorporated, assimilated, into the identity in such a way conducive to the health of the individual. It can be overcome, controlled, but never forgotten, unless by the illusions of these stimuli and their derivative ideas that one can lose themselves in, like the inebriation of a drug, until the 'crash' inevitably occurs.

Dan~~ wrote:

I've recently decided:

Video entertainment is toxic to one's inner vision.

Amusing inner illusions, keep repeating and spreading and warping.

Especially sex and violence.

A battle goes on within the mind, between various meta concepts.

I will see if i can cut off most movies, tv shows, etc.

I believe these are toxic now.

If your mind is black, or you see normal good things,
it is a good sign.
But if you see characters from TV shows etc,
that is a conflict of thoughtforms.
Stray thought viruses that want to grow and take charge.

This may be very hard for some people to understand.
It may sound like nonsense.
I promise you, what you view effects you on a deeper level.
You're not immune to everything.
It's ok to let go of fun and appealing things.
They can leave room for greater things.

It all depends on your psychological constitution, or the circumstances that may affect it, like age or an illness, or whatever.
I, myself, have felt this toxicity of too much exposure to the crowds, the ochlos....and the varieties of mental diseases one can come across there.

Know thyself...meaning evaluate yourself honestly and find your tolerance levels - how much of it can you endure?
Once you find it, by selectively exposing yourself to it, you will find the balance.
A balance that must be continuously adjusted because circumstances change our constitution.
There's a lot of sickness out there, and it is increasing.
I've offered my analysis as to why this is occurring, and I've offered a few ways of dealing with it - although I do not offer advice because every individual's constitution and circumstances are different so I cannot offer guidance to what I am not aware of in detail.
I only give my opinion in the form of generalities, never personal advice.
Recently I do so only via allegories and innuendoes, given what is occurring and what filth has churned up from the cesspools of generations of sheltering and desperate degeneracy.

Dark Ages are characterized by a gradual loss of authority, which allows human sickness to come forth out of hiding to express their esoteric personae, their private true self, from behind the public image, the character they play.
For example....the gradual decline of Paternalism, in the "west" allowed feminine nature to come forth to fearlessly express its true essence, multiplied by technologies and techniques they've been trained to use, completely destroying the family institution.
A small and overused example, but one that implies more than it states.

I came to the same realization Socrates did when he returned from war to find what his teachings had done to the youth of Athens.
I knew the world was fucked but I did not realize how much - e.g., how much mental illness was already concealed in western, first-world societies, and how they would misconstrue or intentionally manipulate my opinions for their own needs.
I decided to only share with those I know understood what I was saying and why I was saying it.

There's just too much crazy out there - the zombies are everywhere - a.k.a., desperate degenerates, a.k.a., spiteful mutants.
There's no hope to "heal" them because this is a matter of survival and compounding genetic mutations.
How can anyone hope to correct what has been already born?
This is why I never claimed to be trying to "change the world", or to be trying to change anybody.
I always said, "I like you just the way you are" - for reasons I will not openly expose. It's not because I enjoy watching others suffer but because I can do nothing about it and....the other part I will not disclose here...but may in Hyperborea if asked.

In psychotherapy they do not "heal" - they don't even try to - they only medicate to deal with the consequence of past determinations; chemically dealing with the consequences of what is forever in the past, i.e., immutable, unchangeable. They can't heal what is a product of genetics - often generations of cumulative mutations interacting in dysfunctional and unforeseeable ways.

The problem with projections - subjectivizing another - is that you are asked to answer the others delusions and misinterpretation and projections of themselves.
A desperate degenerate, unable to empathize, can only sympathise or antipathize, i.e., project himself in the others positions hoping to understand him....so you are dealing with a projection of a presumed projection. His/her understanding is found on self-projections, which then become the "enemy" you must deal with.
In effect, you are fighting against a projection of the enemies self-knolwedge - or the enemy's subjective understanding of an-other they cannot objectively comprehend.
Their inability to be objective - denying the very possibility as a farce or as a mythology - means that they are always fighting against their own dæmons, which they project into those they find incomprehensible and trigger them. On the one hand they expose themselves by attacking, and on the other they use others as the internal demon they can never exorcize.

For example...a needy degenerate becomes obsessed with a member of the opposite sex, projecting into them their ideal mate, their idealized self. If the potential mate disappoints and rejects them their obsessive love becomes obsessive hate, and he/she begins to project into them their true self, their hidden identity.
The other becomes a externalized example of everything they know they are, and they want to destroy it so that they can stop being that. In their mind this projection if erased will cease to be a part of everything they fear they are themselves.
They called it "scapegoat". A way of "purifying" self, to become innocent and therefore worthy of salvation, or love, of inclusion.

To put it as simply as possible, so that even a retard can understand...

A degenerate in his/her desperation will accuse another of everything they fear or are anxious about, exposing their deepest fears and anxieties...essentially dropping their panties in public for all that can see to see.
Dealing with them means dealing with what they think you thought or intended - responding to them is like responding to a caricature of yourself.
It has nothing to do with you, but with what a desperate degenerate understood you to be - an effigy they burn to exorcize their own inner demons, because their incapacity to understand another, objectively, means they project into another their subjectivity, symbolically, or literally, burning the worse traits they possess, hoping that by eliminating another they cleanse themselves of vices, i.e., self-purification via subjective projection.
The issue is cognitive. An inability to detach reasoning from personal needs/desires.
When another speaks of things the desperate degenerate misconstrues as solutions to his private predicament disappointment is almost inevitable. But they cannot admit that the error was their own, so they accuse, so as to become a "victim" of an evil other. Their mistake become the other's ruse. Their misunderstanding becomes the other's intent...ergo the other's destruction becomes a kind of self-purifying exorcism of evil spirits, or personal vices. the weakness is never in them, it is always in another.
This is very Abrahamic.

They expose themselves publicly in their vicious assault against their perceived "evil".
A very unattractive display, because it reveals weakness...which is very pussy-drying. If there is anything that can dry up a vagina it is a persistent display of obsession and addiction - it exposes weakness and vulnerability and submission to an external other.
Women pick up on such cues.
Obsessiveness, even directed towards them or another indicates feebleness, neediness....insecurity....a sign of inferiority and bad genes.
A desperate degenerate constantly displaying, projecting his/her addiction, his/her obsessiveness, exposing a neediness, a inner vulnerability, a secret feebleness, would blame the other for rejecting them because they will never, ever, have the objective self-awarfness to see how they contributed to what happens, how they participated in the determination of a the determined.
They must remain pure, clean, innocent....victims of evil others.... in other words children - needy, dependent, psychological infants.
That is a sexual turn-off....for female...but also males. A sing of a hidden void, or lack of maturity....a dysfunction.

Like that jerk-off on ILP who uses the quote...

John Fowles wrote:

He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest.

Like I said, read signatures like self-assesments.
He accuses others of what he is guilty of...in this imbecile is in his fucking sixties, or seventies, or eighties...waiting for Godot...like all of us.
I stopped wanting to "change the world" in my early twenties when I realized what was happening and why. Before that I was admittedly a naïve idealist, like this moron still is in his old age.
I no longer want to "change anything," but myself. My analysis is not trying to convince anyone of anything. It is my personal analysis.
I want people to stay exactly as they are....in fact the more they do not change the better for me.
But imbeciles do not understand it because they can't truly empathize but only project and sympathize or antipathize...so they can never be objective but only subjective, wanting to pull the world "down to their subjectivity," i.e., down to their emotional appeals, and their primal needs/desires, and their secret anxieties and fears, and their self-pitying victimization.
They don't want reality, they want fast and easy solutions to it. Alternatives. Guidance. Strategies. Escapes. Help...
Every description of reality is considered a complaint if it is not accompanied with a solution, so they consider everything a form of advice - a guiding hand leading them out of reality's predicaments. Children.
They don't really understand because understanding requires objectivity. The foundation of philosophy and science is cold, indifferent objectivity, i.e., using an external standard to evaluate others and oneself.
Not only other and not only self, but both, from a htird-person perspective. They just cannot do it. They lack the genetic potentials to develop such perspectives.
In their demented minds philosophy is a self-help manual, and if it isn't then its useless. They cannot conceptualize anything outside their subjective needs/desires.

I associate what you are saying, in part, with the straw man.
I think straw men usually hit potential philosophers.
The result is foolishness, or the opposite of wisdom.
When 2 people fight about something,
usually it is that at least one of them doesn't understand it.
Having a spoiled sense of reality can put a stop to philosophical progress.
When I believed in JW doctrine, my growth was stopped by it.
Presented with only absolutes, there was no room for change.
Their ideal is that God kills everybody that doesn't want to obey him,
eventually. That is their answer. That is their solution to the world's problems.
Noah and the flood were considered all well and good.
Death and more death are the solution to the problems of crazed fools.

One cannot change or even try to change, what one does not understand.
Understanding begins with objectivity.
Projecting self in another's hypothetical position can only produce sympathy, and if it fails then it can only settle for antipathy.
The either/or psychosis of degenerates.
In turn, what fails to offer them sympathy, must be coming from a position of antipathy.
This is what fools think.
The world owes them love, and if it does not provide it then it must be giving them hate.
Unable to extricate their thinking from emotions they can only understand everything emotionally - if the other does not sympathize, and give them love and compassionate understanding, then it must be motivated by antipathy and hatred.
These psychotics do exactly what they accuse others of.
It is they who must either love the other or despise them. If they cannot sympathize then they surrender to antipathy, because they have no clue, no ability to objectively empathise nor to understand - their reasoning is corrupted by ego and self-interest, all they can do is project and by projecting they expose exactly who and what they are for all to see....ironically as they attempt to expose another, who they can never understand objectively, they unintentionally expose themselves publicly.

Emotion, both hate and love, corrupts thinking - blinds reasoning.
The ass-clowns on ILP are attacking the strawmen they built in lieu of understanding, and when confronted with their own errors in judgment they accuse the other of lying, or deceit, or of self-cotradictions.
Lack of experience results in naivete...and the inferior can never experience what it is genetically incapable of experiencing. It can only bring it down to its level of understanding, further exposing itself and its level.
Such pathetic people can never understand how they appear to others....this would require empathy, or objective self-awarness.

Ass clowns must change everyone and everything to their liking...and if they cannot then they must bring it all down and destroy it.
Either/Or psychosis.

What does not love me must hate me; what I do not love I must hate, or change it into something lovable.
My binary method is universal. Others think exactly as I do...and if they do not they are lying.
My inability o objectively think must be a lie, concealing my own method of subjectivity - all are equally subjective, meaning all are equally weak, since nobody is omnipotent.
We are all sinners, and those that do not admit it are deceiving us....like Satan.
All are innocent, and if they are not then they must be guilty, of something....of not accepting their innocence as a universal fact.
This is a problem when you can only experience life through proxies, like movies and television shows or philosophers or pop-icons or pop-idols.

"Love your enemies" is something i tried as a child.
It didn't work.
I regret ever trying to project myself into my enemies.

Dan~~ wrote:

"Love your enemies" is something i tried as a child.
It didn't work.
I regret ever trying to project myself into my enemies.

Why?
Could you not empathize without becoming emotionally involved?

A man that wants to change the world after the age of 25, or so, is no man at all. He is a man-child.
A man trapped in adolescence and naivete....rebelling against an external foe that is within.

Perpetual adolescence comes across as combative and as arrogant.
A psychological self-inflation.
Such psychotics exhibit their immaturity and inexperience as unsubstantiated self-esteem that can reach extraordinary levels if their condition is a product of decades of frustrations and personal failures.

When faced with an individual making grand claims know that he is compensating for a great insecurity, and vulnerability.
Obsessiveness and addictiveness is another sign. An escape into hyperbole, into the other-worldy, into the occult.
Superstitions, astrology, alchemy, magic, numerology, all symptoms of an over-compensating personal lack - usually a product of deep existential anxieties desiring to make their mortality matter by discovering the universal secret, read god's mind, find a solution to everything before one dies.
A profound loss or failure, that stigmatizes the mind, has to deal with it with an equally profound overcompensating success, to give one's life, and life's pains and sufferings, purpose and value - to place it in the positive and out of the negative.

Satyr wrote:

Dan~~ wrote:

"Love your enemies" is something i tried as a child.
It didn't work.
I regret ever trying to project myself into my enemies.

Why?
Could you not empathize without becoming emotionally involved?

I was internalizing a lot of negativity,
instead of unleashing it somehow.
I was eating my own shit, for the sake of strangers.
Primative self control.
Guilt oriented thinking.
It took me some time to learn my lesson.

Were you overweight?
Swallowing emotional shit can manifest in a mirroring by consuming nutritional crap - self-medication, or self-punishment.

Weaponized guilt is an Abrahamic tool - to be held accountable for what you could not have done.
But this may produce a opposite reaction where, like some on ILP - you refuse all forms of accountability, as a way of displaying how you've progressed and transcended.
From one extreme to the other - either/or binary.
Holding yourself accountable for what happens to you, is a first step.
Holding others accountable is the second.
Knowing the difference - the how much and when, is a matter of learned balance - Hellenic ascetic balance, i.e., wisdom (sophia).
Not either/or, 1/0, but degrees - adjusted to circumstances - the ongoing fluidity of existence.

Recovering Abrahamics go from extreme guilt - sinfulness - to extreme innocence, victimhood.

Quote :

Were you overweight?

I am a little bit over weight but that only started later in my life.
It was one of the side effects of my meds.

With few exceptions I only listen to music on CDs and watch videos on DVDs.  Broadcast television's commercials are no longer tolerable and when watching things on the internet, even without overt commercials, the corporation one uses rarely fails to remind one of itself. I watch many older TV shows and movies because I've gotten used to them and even accustomed to them to some extent, and because the content they contain, that is meant to destroy the viewers, is generally known to me.  Damage was done when watching shows and movies before I knew what content within was meant for destruction. For example, I didn't understand how the humor in the TV show Seinfeld was meant to destroy a healthy respect for earnestness.

The content seemed to have gotten exponentially more destructive in the late 1990s, but some exceptions can be seen. The movie 300, for example, is one I can't find any faults with, whether any exist within it or not.

Dan, I suggest you consider how appreciation of the hearth may have become on innate trait in most peoples. If you can make a small fire outside most evenings, or have a fireplace inside the place you live then this would probably be helpful for you, but otherwise you might consider how TV can offer a replacement for it. I suggest putting extra care in any TV set up you might use, including the background behind or around the TV and you not use a small computer monitor in the place of a TV when watching videos. Also, I suggest you watch it in something more resembling a living room, or at least while sitting on a sofa or sofa chair.

Another alternative to a hearth would be a nearby lamp, especially when reading real books. But the effect is probably mostly negated when looking at computer monitors.

That's an interesting post, though i have no reply at this time.
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I've been listening to this album lately.
Music is different than videos. I think it can be better for the mind, in some cases.

Also, while these innate needs might be less strong in some peoples than others the need to both listen and watch one's kind speak of their history and stories is probably present in all. Videos are always a poor substitute for this but they might be better than nothing if the particular videos watched are chosen carefully. Live acted theater would conceivably be better than TV, but usually much less accessible.

@Dan
Even though this might sound like a joke, I think you should consider increasing your testosterone levels, for example by lifting weights and sleeping more. You sound weak and in this case I don't mean it as an insult.

External stimuli is getting too much to you, as in, you shouldn't let it get that much to you. Now I agree you should not watch modern TV, over 95% of it is figuratively shitting on you as a person, that's not helping but you shouldn't be so weak that it messes with you on that level. A healthy reaction would be to flip them off and turn off the TV and or disregard peoples talking if you can't leave them. Instead you let it mess with you.

I don't know what meds you take or what kind of guilt you have internalised but this is no way to live and be.
Improve your body chemistry, potentially by sleeping more, eating a better diet (better for your individual needs case, maybe you need more meat I don't know). It all sounds like you have "low-Testosterone" either literally and or figuratively speaking.

In general more and more people have less agency, mindfulness and vigor.

Cold therapy, meditation, breathing exercises and psilocybin are potential remedies I can think of. But you have to go all in and not take a half assed approach.

Pinnacle in Western Art has roughly gone from Philosophy - Sculpture - Painting - Scientific Discorvery - Novel - Film - ?


It's an open question

Pinker =

Quote :

Modern (post-modern) Art: Visual Art – without beauty > Literature – without narrative plot > Poetry – without rhyme > Architecture and Planning – without ornament, human scale, green space, natural light > Music – without melody or rhythm > Criticism – without clarity, attention to aesthetics, and insight into human condition.

cRap music being the most current symptom of degradation - regression to primal - libidinal - rhythms, seducing minds that have been disconnected from nature and their own pasts, i.e., traditions, inheritance, nature etc. - sum of all previous nurturing - feminization means eroticism free from constraints - female sexuality liberated from the risks/costs..

Pinker, Steven wrote:

The theory of self-deception was foreshadowed by the sociologist Erving Goffman in his 1959 book The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life, which disputed the romantic notion that behind the masks we show other people in the one true self. No, said Goffman; its masks all the way down. Many discoveries in the ensuing decades have born him out.

The true self buried under layers of self-deciving pretences - pretentious caricatures performing an idealized version of oneself.

But underneath it all lurks the personae that cannot be extinguished but only buried and forgotten.
It comes forth, at night, to torture the ego in its slumber.

I forgot both the first and final pinnacle has to do with the sword.

Quote :

gladiators do not need life and pain
and the concrete cell is separated from the inflatable arena
and there is no such thing as a random flight
and in the case of a new life, the price is reduced

gladiators fight for life and to death
and the ultimate goal is a look from an empty arena
and the red-hot whip won't let you go
and prices are set for each new life

in the old house opposite the walls are crumbling
old people die children are born
and the ultimate goal is a look from an empty arena
if the wrong ones will appear these

go away
forget

a string of faces pass before me centuries
dying love children are born
the price is high for participating in this game
where do they end these begin

and no one will remember me

I'm a mother's daughter I'm a father's son
in infinity eternity about
middle of the beginning of the end
I'm walking a grenade rope
without checks the banks along the river
my spears are sharp I kindle fires

I am not me I am under the stone snake I am the earth

I'm a game I'm an arena I'm a spectator I'm a goal
in infinity eternity about
encounters and losses
I'm walking a grenade rope
without checks the banks along the river
my spears are sharp I kindle fires

Nice.