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Huntington divided a post-Cold War world along cultural and political divides - influenced by his own Anglo-Saxon Puritan disposition.
He failed to take into account the core of a civilization, as culture, and to trace culture to tis genetic, racial, roots - confused by a culture's ability to be transmitted and imitated across racial, biological, lines.
He offers a Americanized projection of emerging Super-States, which can be used as a framework to incorporate Yockey's and Spengler's - and Heisman's - insights, slightly modifying the Super-States into their true SuperOrganic essence.
An organic body/nervous system/mind triad - reason/will/pathos, in Platonic contexts, and father/holy ghost/son, in Abrahamic, Christian contexts, corresponds to Suepr-Organic contexts as State/Semiotics/Ideology.

We can realign Huntington's projections by incorporating language families as a dividing - clarifying - line dealing with centuries of genetic miscegenation and memetic cultural cross-contaminations.  

Nation-States are being replaced by Super-States - or multi-ethnic unities - just as they integrated multiple city-states into their unities.
These emerging Super-States may become genetically and memetically homogeneous or may become a more unstable heterogeneous unity.
So far two homogenous Super-states and one heterogenous Super-State is emerging, e.g., India, China, and United States.
Another two, e.g., Russia and Europe, remain uncertain, with Russia - corresponding to Huntington's Orthodox civilization - a.k.a., Eurasia, tending towards heterogeneity, and EU - wrongly included by Huntington within "western civilization" - tending towards homogeneity.

This is an important factor because the homogeneity/heterogeneity of emerging Super-States will determine their stability, their ethnic uniformity and consequently their application of language, i.e., semiotics, viz., heterogenous Super-states, such as the U.S. (Anglo Judeo-Puritan SuperOrganism), will use language to blur biological distinctions so as to find a foundational lowest-common-denominator to integrate divergent genetic (racial) and memetic (cultural) populations. Language, or semiotic codes, will be used to replace biological identifiers, and the cultures founded upon them, with abstractions such as concepts such as "freedom" or "money" - detached from their tangible referents to be purified as noetic abstractions, e.g., the detachment of money from the gold standard, or freedom from choice beyond that of supply/demand.
We already see this dumbing-down in the U.S. with tis bipolar political system, concealing a unipolar plutocracy, and tis promotion - via Hollywood and tis media industries - across the American sphere of influence - Anglo-Judeo-Puritan dominion - of liberalism, or anti-anture, anti-biology identifiers.

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With no separation of I and other there is no self, there is no life, there is no consciousness.

The cellular membrane is the genetic, physical form of separation; the ego is the self becoming conscious of itself, a separation of conscious from unconscious.
Memetically this becomes the separation of ideals, convictions, values, traditions, cultures, identifying one from the other; idealizing and creating different kinds of individuals.

Without boundaries - porous and imperfect as they may be - there is no distinction, and no discrimination. All becomes uniformity.

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Le Bon, Gustave wrote:
Contagion is so powerful a force that even the sentiment of personal interest disappears under its action. This is the explanation of the fact that every opinion adopted by the populace always ends in implanting itself with great vigour in the highest social strata, however obvious be the absurdity of the triumphant opinion. This reaction of the lower upon the higher social classes is the more curious, owing to the circumstance that the beliefs of the crowd always have their origin to a greater or less extent in some higher idea, which has often remained without influence in the sphere in which it was evolved.
Leaders and agitators, subjugated by this higher idea, take hold of it, distort it and create a sect which distorts it afresh, and then propagates it amongst the masses, who carry the process of deformation still further. Become a popular truth the idea returns, as it were, to its source and exerts an influence on the upper classes of a nation.
In the long run it is intelligence that shapes the destiny of the world, but very indirectly. The philosophers who evolve ideas have long since returned to dust, when, as the result of the process I have just described, the fruit of their reflection ends by triumphing.

Just as there are genetic configurations that manifest as species of predators and prey, there are memetic configurations, i.e, ideological constructs founded on linguistics - semiotics being memetic DNA - that manifest in a particular kind of individual.
Every natural type - eidos - has a corresponding ideological type.

Genes to Memes

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As I've said numerous times, females are nature's filtering agencies.
In natural environments they select which genes will be passed-on - will survive - and which will be excluded from future genepools, i.e., determining the fate of a species.
Their attraction to power makes them adaptable, and able to be easily integrated within cultural dynamics - their reproductive role inclines them towards group assimilation and their "genius" is focused on reading and manipulating and evaluating psychological inter-gropu dynamics, converting their natural filtering into socioeconomic cultural filtering, i.e., memetic filtering.

Under nihilistic ideologies this female agency is converted to an anti-nature, pro ideology, meme-filtering, producing mind/body dissonance, often mistaken for complexity or the infamous feminine mystique, e.g., their ludic mind attracted to socioeconomic markers, e.g., money, privilege etc. while their body, their instincts, attracted to genetic markers, e.g., chest to waist 7/10 ration, size, height, muscle tone, facial symmetry, physical proportionality, etc.

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In a sense, this additional pressure on males increases the likelihood of being excluded from the genepool, unless they prove to be highly creative, or fortunate, eliminating generations of accumulated mutations.
Females are revealed as natural agencies that serve natural order by returning balance to what males have unbalanced with their masculine interventions.

Males that adapt to these warped environmental conditions - social nihilistic circumstances - will possess the psychosomatic combinations necessary to adjust their strategies to even manmade corrupted environments.

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Heisman, Mitchell wrote:
The rupture between the ancient and the modern is the rupture between the rule of genes and the rule of memes. The difference between ancient and modern is the difference between the moral worlds of Homer and the Bible.
It is the difference between Ulysses and Leopold Bloom.

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Heisman, Mitchell wrote:
The rupture between the ancient and the modern is the rupture between the rule of genes and the rule of memes. The difference between ancient and modern is the difference between the moral worlds of Homer and the Bible.
It is the difference between Ulysses and Leopold Bloom.

Memes are chosen, Genes are forced.

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The basic idea is that nothing comes form nothingness - all is part of a continuance, i.e., process.
All morphs, evolves, changes, in reaction to environmental circumstances - i.e., world fluctuations.
Nothing is lost - it is absorbed and changes form.

What is true of energy/mater is true of ideas/ideals, which are but forms of energy/matter in the brain.
Ideologies do not disappear, they are assimilated, or they evolve to accommodate different goals, e.g., the idea of a one-god was neither novel nor did it die, it simply changed and this change was reflected in the words/symbols representing it; nor did the idea of salvation cease to exist, it simply morphed into a different context, acquiring different terminologies, but remained an allusion to unsubstantiated immortality, i.e., expressing the same hopeful faith in the counter-intuitive, the intangible, the irrational, the incomprehensible; founded on the same absence of absolute, e.g., certainty, gnosis, power.
The absence of the immutable, indivisible, becomes the foundation of a conviction - a desired antithesis to what is experienced - power of nil.
Nil is what underlies the Abrahamic one-god, and its positive oneness - binary.

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It's not individuals that are parasitical but ideologies - whether they are spiritual (religious) or secular (political).
The organism is but its agency - the mode of its transmission.

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Recovering Abrahamics turned to Marx for relief; and those that worshipped a universal oneness became devout followers of the nil. When genotype fails to attain an idealized objective, the objective is nullified or genotype is replaced by memotype, i.e., an ideal.

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Genetics teaches us that the organism need not be aware, or even approving of the impulses it surrenders to, e.g., an animal - or manimal - need not know nor understand why it is driven to copulate, in fact by gaining self-awarness it may even be inhibited or made less effective by knowing and understanding.
Dawkins refers to this as "selfishness" implying that the genome has its own motives and its own evaluations, sometimes contradicted by an awakening consciousness, such as man's.

If this is so we can extend this to the contexts of memes - memotypes - ideologies, dogmas, traditions, linguistics art etc. - being extensions and externalizations of genotypes.
What holds true for genetically based impulses also holds true for memetically fabricated ambitions - the organic agent need not know nor understand how and why it is driven to think or act in the way it does - it need not approve - since the propagation of the meme is in control.
A manimal - because only humans can be affected memetically - when sufficiently indoctrinated - educated, trained, cultivated, nurtured - judges and chooses in accordance with memetic standards, promoting memetic survival, even a the expense of the organism and its genetic impulses.
Like with genetic impulses awareness would inhibit or make the process less efficient and effective, so awareness is not only unnecessary but undesirable.

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Dutton's "spiteful mutants" and his more recent "zombie apocalypse" analysis is accurate, although he simply clarifies what I've been speaking about for years.
Where he fails is in tracing the source of this "mental virus," as he calls it - I call it memetic virus - which I've attempted to do - my own analysis is available on this forum.
He also fails to explain how a "parasite meme" can evolve to take advantage of this "meme virus," and how none of it needs to be intentional or guided by some conspiring group dynamic, but can remain unconscious - similar to how the "virus that creates metaphorical zombies" does not require the infected hosts to remain conscious or aware of what is happening to them - hijacking innate biological impulses all they need is to be driven by an insatiable appetite urging them to continuously bite and consume uninfected flesh - their behaviour does not require them to be aware, in fact the opposite, awareness would inhibit the process. The virus spreads, completing it reproductive and survival cycle, without knowledge or intentional support from the infected host.
Similar to the nihilistic constructs that currently infect western man - ironically referred to as "woke".
The self-abnegating, self-destructive, behaviours would be inhibited by the host's lucidity.
All they need to feel is an impulse to think and behave in suicidal ways, make self-destructive choices, and judge in accordance with self-negating standards - their will appropriated by an alien memetic organism that is driven by tis own survival and reproductive drives.

Like an ant infested by a natural parasite, like the lancet fluke, would have no clue that it was diseased nor would it be able to become aware that its self-destructive behaviour is not part of its genetic programming; neither would the parasite need to be aware of how its own behaviour leads it to an inevitable doom.

So within the paradigm of meme-viruses - named nihilism - and meme-parasites - remaining unnamed - no lucid intentionality is necessary.
An infected mind would not be aware that it has been infected by a virus, nor infested by a parasite - in its mind nothing has changed, and tis self-negating thoughts and behaviours would not be perceived as such.

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Race and sex - gender - are "social constructs" in the same way "universe " is a social construct, i.e., mental abstractions - noumena - of external phenomena.

The advantage of mental constructs - that can be shared - is that they convert the external to a manageable internal construct. This is also where the danger lies, because this mental ability to create free from external restraints is the source of its mystification and deification, convincing the mind that it is a god-creator of its own reality - a reassuring and empowering delusion that can be pushed to its absurd limit if there exists an external mediator protecting it from the consequences - a sheltering proxy.
This sheltering proxy becomes a medium through which the mind projects its linguistic power, essentially attempting to control - manipulate - the very protective mediator, corrupting it and making it unable to offer its sheltering effects.
When the protestive mediator is seduced by the protected - victim - it ceases to provide protection and the relationship collapses - see parasitism as an example, where here the process is part of a reproductive strategy that necessitates the demise of the host and of the source itself, i.e., selfish memes propagate the ideology/dogma, sacrificing the carrier and the infected host as part of the process - neither need to be aware of it, and in fact ought not to become aware because this would inhibit the process.
The "carrier" suffers the necessary costs of its agency, as being part of its identity: eternal victim, chosen by "god" to suffer - code for serving the needs of the memes survival and propagation. In this ideological form of parasitism the physical - body - is sacrificed to the ideological/dogma. The ideology/dogma is god, and the physical, the body, is the agency in its service - see Abraham and Job narratives in the old testaments, upon which the new testament continues, adapting the same metaphorical messages for a new genotype to absorb and integrate into its psyche beginning the cycle. [see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]] Art - including linguistics - is where the first symptoms manifest given that this is a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], using semiotics to survive and propagate.
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In the gene/meme context the meme, i.e., ideology, spirituality, serves the propagation of a genome, enhancing and multiplying the probabilities of enduring change, causality, i.e., flux (a.k.a. dynamic interactivity; causality; change; existence).
But when the ideology - meme - is infected by an external meme that corrupts its original role, it ceases to extend the genome's essence, power, and begins to direct it towards self-destructive behaviours - it inverts its role. The original meme when infested by an external aprasitical-meme, begins to lower and diminish the survival and reproductive probability of the host - the synthesis of gene/meme defined as its spirit.
The original spirit is corrupted by a corruptive entity with its own motives, i.e., the propagation of itself at the expense of the original genome (DNA) and menome (culture).
The death of both the alien and the host is part of the parasitical-meme's cycle of self-replication.
The original culture exhibits self-destructive, suicidal, self-negating, behaviours, in the form of self-abnegating beliefs and convictions - like the denial of appearances and the natural origins of sex and race - producing strange behaviours - like transsexuality, addictions and obsessive behaviours etc.
The "magical power" of words can reduce a organism into a caricature of itself - words used to hypnotize and mesmerize and exploit and manipulate deep rooted anxieties and needs/desires used to cope with them.

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Gens to Memes.
Language, like all art - representational expression - externalizes the internal, i.e., extends what is inconspicuous outwards and makes it conspicuous.
The body is projected beyond itself via the nervous system - projecting the minds awareness, consciousness, i.e., knowledge, understanding, reactions, feelings etc.
DNA externalized via semiotics.

Genotype corresponding to memotype, or culture, i.e., a population's "spirit", or "essence" or a shared inheritance of mind/body synthesis determining an attitude a way of engaging the world
Phenotype corresponding to Culture, i.e., corresponding to traditions, rituals, beliefs, and language - how this spirit is revealed in space/time; how it is present and becomes apparent via its adopted behavioural and thinking patterns.

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Memes evolve, like genes, over time and under similar environmental pressures.
In one environment they take a different form than they do under different environmental circumstances, therefore developing self-cosnciuosness affects a population differently and different ideologies emerge to help them cope.
The same ideologies may be transferred from people to people as they are from mind to mind, acquiring a slightly different form, as it combines with different organ symmetries/proportionalities, i.e., personalities.
Similarly the same ideologies morph within different geologically different population groups, adapting to different pre-existing traditions and genetics.
In genetics this process of transmission and synthesis is what produce mutations and genetic variances.

For example, nihilistic spiritual dogmas and secular political ideologies are experienced as shameful and rejected by certain populations whereas others embrace them and integrate them into their reproductive and survival strategies.
Abrahamism is split in three major groups because of this memetic adaptations to genotypes.

On a micro-level the same idea will slightly change from mind to mind, as it is integrated within different organ hierarchies, i.e., physical symmetries and proportionalities. This is what is subjective....and always compared to an external standard, such as the objective world or, in the case of nihilistic ideologies/.dogmas that lack all reference to any external world, to an text, i.e., scripture, holy book.
Scripture replaces the natural world as a point of common reference, keeping all the variants within acceptable parameters of subjective interpretation and integration.
The cost of exceeding the acceptable - when the standard is an objective natural order - is personal failure, or pain/suffering, with an extreme being death.
In nihilistic dogmas/ideologies where there is no external referent, the cost is collective ostracization, admonition, rejection etc.
Since the benefits go through proxies, the costs also must go through proxies. The most severe cost is withholding the collective's sheltering, to protect the individual form his increasing detachment form reality - the most crucial aspect of parasitical memes.

The nihilistic meme of Marxism, for example, took on a slightly different form in Italy than it did in Russia or China.
In this case we may say the meme is also parasitical, propagating itself at the expense of the host - the degree to which it contradicts the host's biological impulses and detaches the host from its present - perceived - environment, replacing it with abstractions and ideas, exposes the degree of its parasitism.
Postmodernism is an example of an extremely parasitical nihilistic ideology, i.e., meme.
The individual benefits - experienced as pleasure - are insignificant when compared to the transcending costs - this is the seductive appeal of such ideologies: they offer a defensive, protective, linguistic, shelter, as it exacts its price for such a service.

To understand why detachment is pleasing - addictively so - consider the effect of narcotics, or see Schopenhauer's definition of pleasure.
Memes can have a similar intoxicating effect on the mind - either diminishing reality or multiplying its effect, under strictly predictable circumstances, because in nature such effect would prove to be costly.

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In the dynamic present an organism establishes connections with its past and with its preferred, projected, objective.
Presence (perceived as appearance) is where existence is experienced as fluctuating interactivity - the field of the nervous systems effect, via language - physis.
Within the present an organism attempts to recall the immutable determined past, where metaphysics establishes a grounding in the past - considered a concealed presence, similar to how an organisms DNA sequences are  inconspicuous memories of a past made present, guiding, the behaviours, activities of an organism.
Genotype manifesting as phenotype.
Idea/Ideal is the mind's projected objective in an undetermined future.

So Metaphysics<>Physics/Physis<>Ideal/Ideology/Objective correspond to past-present-future.
The language used in the present by a particular mind reveals its relationship with its past, i.e., its metaphysics, exposed semiotically, also exposes its relationship with tis presence, tis existence, and how it envisions its preferred future.
For example Nietzsche's Will to Power exposes his Germanic attitude, his relationship with existence, as determined by forceful intent - power being the projected objective and Will the metaphysical grounding.
Similarly, Schopenhauer's original conception of Will to Life reveals his own attitude and intent which slightly diverges from Nietzsche's - or rather Nietzsche's diverges from Schopenhauer's original thesis.
Schopenhauer's use of "life" indicated preservation, maintenance - the application of force of will to self-preserve, contrasting with Nietzsche's desire to dominate.

Language exposes spirit and intent, just as actions - expressed via judgments and choices, expose essence, despite what language is used, because above logos is action, energy.
Language may reveal a grounding in metaphysics and a objective in ideology but actions expose the essence of an being in the present oftentimes contradicting both its hypothetical grounding and its rationalized, idealized, intent.
The more nihilistic a grounding and ideology is all the more the actions will contradict them - mind/body dissonance.

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Gene/Meme dissonance.
A state of institutionalized schizophrenia.
Mind is is infected by a nihilistic ideology that makes it deny the tangible, corporeal, experienced physical world, but it cannot escape the body's presence.

Two different standards in conflict exposing the lucid part of consciousness - ego - to its own contradictions - its linguistic games.

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This is why women despise paternalism, as do emasculated males wishing to signal their supportive agreement.
Paternalism uses it to mobilize - producing specific ambitions in invested males.

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Useful ideas begin by retuning words/symbols to their original utility of connecting mind with the body, i.e., physical, material, corporeal, experienced.
From this "middle ground" we can then advance downward into the cthonic, the subterranean, and upwards towards the ethereal, the immaterial, the abstract.

Physics/Physis is where ideas/ideals are brought down to from the abstract ethereal heavens, from there concealed underlying foundations can be explored.
Physis/Physics, first....Metaphysis/Metaphysics, second....Spirituality/Ideology, third.

Nervous System - present as interactive, dynamic, presence, i.e., apparent - determining.
Body - connecting to past which is continuously made present, i.e., recollection, memory - determined.
Mind - projecting into space/time an objective, i.e., destination, goal, idea/ideal - yet to be indeterminate.

Present/Past/Future.
Existent/Pre-existent/Expected
Any healthy philosophy begins with what is present, i.e., experienced, with no presumptions as to what is not present, or ought to be present.
A theory, i.e., hypothesis, not founded in experience is nonsensical; a theory not applicable in the real, is useless, other than a form of escape from reality, i.e., nihilistic.

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Useful ideas begin by retuning words/symbols to their original utility of connecting mind with the body, i.e., physical, material, corporeal, experienced.
From this "middle ground" we can then advance downward into the cthonic, the subterranean, and upwards towards the ethereal, the immaterial, the abstract.

Physics/Physis is where ideas/ideals are brought down to from the abstract ethereal heavens, from there concealed underlying foundations can be explored.
Physis/Physics, first....Metaphysis/Metaphysics, second....Spirituality/Ideology, third.

Nervous System - present as interactive, dynamic, presence, i.e., apparent - determining.
Body - connecting to past which is continuously made present, i.e., recollection, memory - determined.
Mind - projecting into space/time an objective, i.e., destination, goal, idea/ideal - yet to be indeterminate.

Present/Past/Future.
Existent/Pre-existent/Expected
Any healthy philosophy begins with what is present, i.e., experienced, with no presumptions as to what is not present, or ought to be present.
A theory, i.e., hypothesis, not founded in experience is nonsensical; a theory not applicable in the real, is useless, other than a form of escape from reality, i.e., nihilistic.  

This is the core of philosophy.
Any other sequence/synthesis is not philosophy, but ideology or spirituality, or nonsensical mind-games with an anti-philosophical intent/motive.

In science, for example, we make observations and draw conclusions from it, and construct hypothesis. Science does not presuppose an invisible agency or a pre-existing, invisible, factor so as to negate or contradict the observable. It only deals with the observed and accepts ignorance as part of the process - I would say this absence is a consequence of an absent absolute, necessitating only approximations, or theories dealing with probabilities not certainties.
Using the absence of such absolute states, e.g., singularities, certainty, complete, whole, one/nil etc. to dismiss the probable is thinking in bad faith.
Probabilities require conflict and competition - survival of the fittest.
What is most probable does not claim absolute certainty - omniscience, omnipotence, but only superiority awaiting a challenger on the same field of competition, i.e., empiricism, physis, the shared world.
Nihilists attempt to linguistically negate the perceived, shared world, with hypotheticals - often with hypotheticals with no external references, e.g., underlying alternate realities, occult worlds, obscure concepts, supernatural promises etc.

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Modern Abrahamic morality can therefore be identified as an attempt to negate or deny, such evolutionary impulses - rather than sublimate they refuse to acknowledge them as belonging to the nature of the beast.
In Christianity an evil Devil is the cause, and in Marxism, the capitalist, and in modern/postmodern contexts it is social engineering, i.e., nurturing, implying that they can be socially engineered away - in the same way race and gender can be "corrected" through proper edumucation and socialization.
The irony here is that many of these imbeciles also reject free-will, which either exposes their self-contdacotory hypocrisy or a secretive underpinning of universal divine benevolence that always heals, advancing towards an positive idealistic telos.

The defining characteristic of messianism - whether in its spiritual form, i.e., Abrahamism, or it is expressed through secular forms, i.e., Americanism - is its identification with divine agency - it isn't they who are agencies of change but mediums through which divine agency expresses itself; they are soldiers of god, or actors accepting their role as mediators of universal order.
Such psychologies always view themselves as actor's of divine providence.

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Main difference between nihilistic ideologies and spiritual dogmas - religions - and realistic ideologies and pagan spirituality is referents.
The latter have none - in fact their deities negate experienced reality, whereas the latter begin with referents in the experienced world, viz., the Abrahamic one-god refers to a singularity, an absolute, that cannot be perceived, but only thought, imagined, contemplated, and if it were to exist it would negate the experienced world of multiplicities, whereas the Indo-European traditions begin with the experienced world, their divinities corresponding to natural forces, processes etc.....and then delve into the metaphysical form there.

Top<>Down versus Bottom<>Up - the former is the nihilistic way, beginning with an unsubstantiated, entirely imagined idea/ideal, moved towards the experienced world to integrate it arbitrarily - redefining, reimagining, renaming - into its already established absolutes; whereas the latter begins with the experienced world and then moves towards the metaphysical.
McGilchrist locates these two contrary methods in the right/left hemisphere's....the effete/feminine spirit attracted to the left-hemisphere's masculine authoritarianism; the masculine spirit attracted to the right-hemisphere's mystique, its all encompassing vagueness, its chaos inspirit it to greater ordering challenge it must find a way to tame....
The feminine is associated with nature, i.e., natural order being an interplay of chaos and order.
The masculine is associated with order, with authority, certainty, absoluteness.
Nihilism attracts the emasculated male with tis absolute certainty - whether it be pure or self-cotnradictory "positive" in motive, whereas the worlds mystery attracts the masculine mind with its threatening challenge.

Hellenic balance implies a harmony between the two methods.

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Concerning Nietzsche's Übermensch – within gene/meme contexts
We all know that Nietzsche wrote allegorically and stylistically, producing wonderfully romantic prose.
His "eternal recurrence," other than being a knock-off of Hindu spirituality – Indo-European in origin – if understood literally, and not allegorically, represents a secular reaffirmation of eternal life, i.e., immortality minus karmic determinism; if it is read allegorically it becomes a test of one's life choices and attitude towards existence. The same can be said about his allegory concerning the "overman". If taken literally he becomes a representation of a future god-man, imagined as a super-human; if taken allegorically the concept becomes an overcoming of man's existential anxieties – which seems highly unlikely given that life will always feel anxiety concerning its own mortality – or it simply represents the inevitability of evolution producing a different species, only in this case both genotype and memotype will participate in producing the next phenotype.
This process does not even require effort, nor conscious intentionality. It is occurring as we speak: every culture, if left to its own devices, creates its own ideal man; every meme has its own representations of an ideal human – a projected future objective, which will produce its own type of future man – its own Übermensch.
As I've said concerning the synthesis of gene/meme: based on Plato's representation of the human psyche – essence of man – as a charioteer: rider/reigns/stallions, symbolizing reason/will/pathos.
Man is triadastic, in his current form, corresponding to past/presence/future; body/nervous system/mind; genetics/actions (choices)/objectives; determined (world)/determining existent (flux, interactivity)/yet-to-be determined (ideal).
The ideal is what guides human actions (choices) towards their realization, founded on a limiting determined past – also a product of choices.
Every culture producing a civilization has an ideal – or ideals – as its guiding principle – its objective. It is these ideals which shape the future man, who will be superior to the present man, relative to this ideal.
The concept of an “overman” is a memetically determined man, as is the “last man”. Both are products of a gene/meme synthesis – the last man a product of nihilistic ideals; the overman the product of realistic ideals. There is no one kind of overman, no more than there is one-god. God is man's idealization of himself, and so the overman is a secular idealization of man.
Man will be overcome just as the primate from which homo sapiens evolved was gradually overcome – we are the over-primate, who still remains unidentified and unnamed – but man is identified as man – animal with logos – and so man will be overcome by an "over"-man if he does not go extinct. This will happen whether we want it or not. There is no effort required. It will happen due to the synthesis of particular genotypes with particular meme-types. The question remaining to be answered is whether or not it – the evolutionary process – will be intentional, or to what degree it will be so, i.e., will it be a product of eugenics or will it be a product of subconscious effects, such as memetics affecting human judgements and choices? The meme, like the gene, works without requiring a clear and conscious intent; it works subconsciously. It is working as we speak, shaping our attitudes and judgments and the standards we use to make our choices.

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Essence/Existence
Existence is that which is dynamic - interactive everchanging possibilities.
Essence is quality of this dynamism made present, experiences as appearance.
The essence of an individual man is the sum-total of everchanging interactive energies, constituting his becoming - experienced after-the-fact in reflection.
The quality of an existent is its essence; its essence is the mode of its existence, distinguish by the particularities of its interactions with other modes of existing.
Individuation is fluctuating interactivity, constantly affecting and being affected - an organism defined by a consistency connecting its modes of interacting across space/time - core memories iterating and compounding, constantly recollecting and reaffirming.
Memory - in the form of DNA or experiential - is what differentiates life from the non-living, giving it intent (will).

An emergent unity which is never and can never be competed - finality, unified into a singularity.

Interactivity is both ordered and random, forcing the will to be constantly adjusting its mode of exiting to altering unforeseeable circumstances.


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Ideas guide evolution when they become projections of intent, or goals.
An approach towards them defines those who have adopted it as a worthy objective; it shapes those who use it to orient and to give their lives purpose, i.e., intentionality.
Each ideal becomes a realizable or unrealizable objective, with its own method of overcoming the present - apparent - human condition.
The word used to represent the ideal is representative of the type of ideal being pursued and the kind of overcoming being attempted.

Will to Power, in the contexts of my own metaphysics - based on ancient-Greek tropes - is a modification of language.
"Energy", most often represented by the ancients as water or fire, is replaced by the more abstract concept of "power", and power implies energies, or vibrations/oscillations, i.e., dynamic processes - strong theory.

The rhythms (i.e., sequences) - speed (i.e., tempo, momentum, pace) define the quality (i.e., type, kind, essence) of energy; interpreted as appearance.
Sequences manifest in dimensional space/time - multiplying the probability of interaction, i.e., probability = order, or pattern of repeating, consistent, predictability.

It is when energy is un-patterned when will must evolve to deal with the unforeseeable - adjusting behaviour by negating precedent, to cope with an unforeseen circumstances, increases survivability, and consequently reproductive probabilities.
This ability o wilfully contradict precedent is what constitutes free-will - expressed as choice - strength of will.

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Gene = naturally evolved survival and reproductive strategies - natural identifiers that apply across species categories; sub-category of the species category, which is a sub-category of the organism category, which is a sub-category of the existent category.
Race being another sub-category, to which ethnicity would be a sub-category.

Meme = gender - social application, symbolization, regimentation, of sexual or reproductive roles.
Extensions of genetic categories; ideas/ideals being extensions of mental abstractions.
Meme = culture; civilization being an extension of culture.

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Species are the product of biological specialization. Man adopts this and applies it towards his social specialization to create memetic types, i.e., socioeconomic species. [ MANifesto: Race – Species]
We are in the midst of social engineering - social eugenics, socialized speciation, via ideologies, i.e., ideas, ideals.
Nihilism is the epitome of social eugenics, totally, or partially, rejecting natural selection processes so as to replace them with socially selective methods, via feminine sexual agency.
Biological fitness markers are replaced by ideological markers, e.g., morals, social status, wealth, fashion, art; all semiotics, including language, to signal social fitness, viz., to signal social utility, market value, wealth potential etc.

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Minds may find agreement through their separate struggle to deal with a shared natural environment with underlying intent - producing common morals and ideals.
The same agreement can be achieved via a shared socioeconomic, cultural environment, with an underlying intent and objective.

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