Because of 'rape culture' advocates, who see rape everywhere, soon there will be people who see rape nowhere. Everything can be a social construct, you just gotta believe...
Lyssa Har Har Harr
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_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Lyssa Har Har Harr
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“When the world knows beauty as beauty, ugliness arises When it knows good as good, evil arises Thus being and non-being produce each other” (Laozi, Tao Te Ching)
Today, there is much talk about ‘rape culture’: about [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]; about whether or not it [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]; about whether or not it exists only through the inversion of sexual desirability into an experience of sex-phobic, sexual oppression.
At the same time, there is little consideration given to what has fixated the modern attention on rape and rape culture – leisure, individualism, the related fantasies of ‘the self’, ‘oppression’, ‘repression’ etc. and the identification of the psyche alongside the medicalizations of the emotions through mental health, trauma theories, victimologies etc. That it is not simply ‘progress’ that has allowed the identification of a ‘rape culture’ – ‘progress’ itself being a fantasy through which a culture can consolidate its own orientational conceit – but that it exists only on the basis of interacting systems and theories which transform sex, relationships and the whole range of our personal interactions. Thus we can look back to the 70s in self-stupefied bewilderment and evaluate a time we pretend to have little to no understanding of. It is not the purpose of what follows to deny the existence of ‘rape culture’. Rape culture exists insofar as anything ever exists – it has been identified, it is advocated, it is bound up in the existential experience of its numerous advocates. The purpose of what follows rather, is to make some remarks about the existence of rape culture and its subsequent black mirror, which is its negative inversion and all the inevitable counter-actions its very existence gives rise to. For in our system of endless repression-liberation, it is the fantasy of a rape culture that now inspires the legislature and constitutes the dominant form around which sexual ‘reality’ is defined. As a consequence, we energize with seductivity and resentiment all its negative, antithetical forms.
Some Clarifications
When we talk about rape culture, we are talking about it as an idea: the ascendant idea through which the society is increasingly organised – that there is a culture that colludes with rape and that this culture must therefore be dismantled. All those behaviours from ‘street harassment’, ‘catcalling’, the unsolicited gaze, ‘slut-shaming’, ‘rape jokes’, misogynistic alterity etc., and any related cultural forms must be eradicated, for they all contribute to a dangerous and uncomfortable environment for women. In short then, reversing one perceived oppression – that of women by the predatory response to desirability – with another oppression – the containment and dismantlement of that predatory response. When we speak about ‘the fantasy of rape culture’, we do not wish to deny its existence. ‘Truth’ is always a dominant fantasy, a system whose constituent parts are always open to challenge or collapse. The rape culture is a form made up of other dominant, yet contestable, mutable forms: mental health, bio-/social-engineering, sociology, human rights, electronic involvement, ubiquitous information, the role of leisure, excessive productivity, excessive identity, the fantasies of oppression, repression and liberation etc. When speaking about seduction, we mean it as Baudrillard did. That seduction is a mode of secrecy in opposition to a mode of productive visibility. That is, seduction concerns the attraction contained in deviating from ‘the truth’, the truth being fundamentally ‘productive’ and concerns making things visible. “Seduction continues to appear to all orthodoxies as malefice and artifice, a black magic for the deviation of all truths […] Every discourse is threatened with this sudden reversibility, absorbed into its own signs without a trace of meaning.” (Baudrillard, On Seduction, p. 2) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] We can similarly talk about Bataille, who placed our access to ‘the sacred’ in the transgression of the law or the taboo. Bataille also noted that the experience of the sacred was bound up in the destruction of one’s individuality. And what is individuality but an extreme over-production of one’s sense of self? The self in High Definition?
Rape Culture-Rape Fantasy: Reversibility
Erin Pizzey[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has recently enjoyed some controversy over her [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Paul Elam’s[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] view that within rape culture, there is a rape fantasy. Beyond the brash iconoclasm and provocation,[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is that the thing in common for the rape fantasist and the rape culture advocate is that they both do an awful lot of thinking about rape. For Elam, rape culture is the inversion of the female rape fantasy and, in his view, a way for women to extend the fantasy of their own irresistibility. So for Elam, rape culture is perhaps the black mirror of a dominant rape fantasy in women? Along similar lines, one might argue that inverting the rape fantasy is one way for the informational individual to think about rape whilst preserving their rational integrity, self-ownership and individualism. In any case, these kinds of argument don’t do much justice to the experience of the rape culture advocates whose response to the inherent violence of desire seems quite unambiguous and real. Moreover, one might argue that it is the challenge of women with such attractions to produce the visible structures (simulations) through which these attractions/anti-pleasures are accessible. Pizzey’s support is part of this process, rejecting rape culture as either a suitable analysis or solution to the problem violence. For a more tantalising interpretation, it might be enough to just say that the rape is now a dominant image in the erotic imagination and that it’s through this image we coordinate all sexual behaviour – through rape fantasy or resistance to rape fantasy. With the collapse of power into desire and desire into power (as Baudrillard has pointed out, you can now switch between the two terms at will[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) all sex is an act with stakes for the sovereignty of the individual. A sex phobia then emerges through exacerbated individualism/self-consciousness; a sex-fantasy emerges, because violence is the only thing capable of surpassing that individualism. Domination and submission become the seductive revenge on the law of individual sovereignty and sexual conviviality. Rape fantasy is a revenge on the oppressive organisational force of rape culture. Intimacy in sex is perhaps a structure from the age of sexual secrets and silences. Here, the publication of sex was illicit and as such, its appearance could derive the properties of secrecy and exclusivity. The intimacy of violence then perhaps thrives in the structure of over-production, ‘speaking-out‘ and hyper-visibility, the secret world having now been shifted to the imaginaries of abuse and challenges to individual sovereignty.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] At the very least, the image of a sex forever haunted by violence is what results from this accelerated self-itemisation and the result is not simply the ordering of sex through sanction and imposition; rather, we also see a reconstitution of the territories of relational seduction. To remain visible, the product must berespectable, otherwise it is condemned to silence and obscurity, which is the essence of seduction. That is, the black mirror of rape culture is rape fantasy, and, more broadly, the potential for a mutuality in violence. The film Irreversible by Gaspar Noé, deals with the potential for this kind of reversibility, attempting to find reversion’s limit. Though Alex rejects the sensitive intellectual in favour of a more brash, selfish, traditionally masculine male and discusses her attraction to a certain kind of animalism, her rape in the film is brutal, prolonged and leaves her almost dead in a coma. The film however, is played back with the events occurring in reverse order, perhaps to give this limit a degree of ambiguity. That the rape scene too was so long not only conferred on it an ‘unflinching realism’ (so say the critics) and makes a rape visible (produces it), it also, in its mirror, ensured its place in the archives of extreme pornography."
Women should never be harmed...idc what they did....it's just wrong to take advantage of other women...This is why people need to be instilled with the proper virtues.
I don't give a shit about rape, really, I don't think it should be a crime. But if a rapist has AIDS or HIV I believe they should be put to death, so as not to infect all the other prisoners with their disease. It's a mercy really, AIDS is a slow death and they should be put to death for raping someone and giving them their disease. Of course the average modern cannot see the wisdom of this, so like retards they propose that HIV people get sent to prison so they can infect everyone else. Rape and molestation, without disease, is often a character building experience. Do we punish a lion for raping a mare?
What's this hubris about the sanctity of women, innocent delicate spirits undeserving of harm kind of nonsense? I smell some severe disney brainwashing at play here.
The modern hold's rape as her greatest fear. This is because it is a symbol of masculinity, a reduction and deflation of her own ego and power structure, defiliation of her pussy pedastal, trampling of female social privileges and inner sanctum, the thing on of her split ego's despises the most. The average modern loves watching people get cut to pieces on TV, they love murder shows, they laugh at blood and guts, because it depicts a triumph over the masculine, but a bearded man raping some girl is to them, the highest sin. Her split ego hates men, is disgusted by them, which is why it bothers her so, she views him as a lesser being, a disgusting half-animal, usurping her power. For the man seduction can be an uphill battle until he can overcome her split mind and seduce her to love him.
OhFortunae
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Do you mind being done to you what you say to be "character building" - inurbutt?
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
If you are being selective already, preferances; then how can it be "character building - rape", because you won't have a say into who when it happens. Thus a hypocritical standpoint. What is the "character building" aspect of rape then, even you say to have preferances.
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Anfang
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Some anti-life-droids have been confusing people with words to convince them to deny their womanhood and manhood respectively. The joy of being ravished was alluded to to being rape and now those two things are being confused.
Some anti-life-droids have been confusing people with words to convince them to deny their womanhood and manhood respectively. The joy of being ravished was alluded to to being rape and now those two things are being confused.
Quote from urban dictionary
"What asshole came up with the word 'ravish'? Has anyone else noticed how fucked up its meanings are?"
Some anti-life-droids have been confusing people with words to convince them to deny their womanhood and manhood respectively. The joy of being ravished was alluded to to being rape and now those two things are being confused.
If you are being selective already, preferances; then how can it be "character building - rape", because you won't have a say into who when it happens. Thus a hypocritical standpoint. What is the "character building" aspect of rape then, even you say to have preferances.
Well how much I'd mind it depends on whodoneit. Some I'd get over in a day, others weeks. Batman took years to get over the Joker, yet his butt was untouched, no rape occured.
I'd say it's character building, one of two things will happen. Either you learn to like it and become an effete sissy cockmunch or you learn to be stronger and cleverer, or you learn to be a mean spirited bitch, or both, you become both stronger and cleverer, as well as a sissy cockmunch, as well as mean spirited bitch. Either way, you have more character. You are less plain, less vanilla. Character building.
I mean, rape causes psychological distress. I mean, I don't go to court for all the people who've caused me psychological distress, made me feel used and worthless, abandoned me, and caused me mental trauma. Yet, rape victims get a free ticket. We live a culture of splitminds, chickenheads, a culture which worships sex, yet holds sex abhorrent, it's greatest fear.
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OhFortunae
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Ravished sounds more destructive; but if I look up to find a difference in meaning, it explains "to be ravished" as "to be raped". So I too am curious in the difference.
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
OhFortunae
Gender : Posts : 2311 Join date : 2013-10-26 Age : 30 Location : Land of Dance and Song
If you are being selective already, preferances; then how can it be "character building - rape", because you won't have a say into who when it happens. Thus a hypocritical standpoint. What is the "character building" aspect of rape then, even you say to have preferances.
Well how much I'd mind it depends on whodoneit. Some I'd get over in a day, others weeks. Batman took years to get over the Joker, yet his butt was untouched, no rape occured.
I'd say it's character building, one of two things will happen. Either you learn to like it and become an effete sissy cockmunch or you learn to be stronger and cleverer, or you learn to be a mean spirited bitch, or both, you become both stronger and cleverer, as well as a sissy cockmunch, as well as mean spirited bitch. Either way, you have more character. You are less plain, less vanilla. Character building.
I mean, rape causes psychological distress. I mean, I don't go to court for all the people who've caused me psychological distress, made me feel used and worthless, abandoned me, and caused me mental trauma. Yet, rape victims get a free ticket. We live a culture of splitminds, chickenheads, a culture which worships sex, yet holds sex abhorrent, it's greatest fear.
I can understand that; mental and physical rape - yet for a man to undergo rape is destructive to his masculinity rather to become stronger, some may, but the shame remains of having been penetrated (by force).
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
OhFortunae
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I agree especially with your last alinea - how things are going it only becomes more of a Victim Cult (suing Apple for example by walking on purpose against the glass doors, as happend in America).
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Lyssa Har Har Harr
Gender : Posts : 8965 Join date : 2012-03-01 Location : The Cockpit
Women should never be harmed...idc what they did....it's just wrong to take advantage of other women...This is why people need to be instilled with the proper virtues.
I don't give a shit about rape, really, I don't think it should be a crime. But if a rapist has AIDS or HIV I believe they should be put to death, so as not to infect all the other prisoners with their disease. It's a mercy really, AIDS is a slow death and they should be put to death for raping someone and giving them their disease. Of course the average modern cannot see the wisdom of this, so like retards they propose that HIV people get sent to prison so they can infect everyone else. Rape and molestation, without disease, is often a character building experience. Do we punish a lion for raping a mare?
What's this hubris about the sanctity of women, innocent delicate spirits undeserving of harm kind of nonsense? I smell some severe disney brainwashing at play here.
Zara is li'l Erik.
And, what's this about hubris being evil or something?
A home isn't one if its doors are open to all... irrespective of what j. said.
Without a woman, you have a house, not a home. Even if a woman is despicable, the ideal of a her is worthy of sanctity.
Women should never be harmed...idc what they did....it's just wrong to take advantage of other women...This is why people need to be instilled with the proper virtues.
I don't give a shit about rape, really, I don't think it should be a crime. But if a rapist has AIDS or HIV I believe they should be put to death, so as not to infect all the other prisoners with their disease. It's a mercy really, AIDS is a slow death and they should be put to death for raping someone and giving them their disease. Of course the average modern cannot see the wisdom of this, so like retards they propose that HIV people get sent to prison so they can infect everyone else. Rape and molestation, without disease, is often a character building experience. Do we punish a lion for raping a mare?
What's this hubris about the sanctity of women, innocent delicate spirits undeserving of harm kind of nonsense? I smell some severe disney brainwashing at play here.
Zara is li'l Erik.
And, what's this about hubris being evil or something?
A home isn't one if its doors are open to all... irrespective of what j. said.
Without a woman, you have a house, not a home. Even if a woman is despicable, the ideal of a her is worthy of sanctity.
Some women are homes, others are hotels.
Whats wrong with ideal of a strong woman, who isn't fazed after a lil' ravashing, sweetie?
Lyssa Har Har Harr
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Women should never be harmed...idc what they did....it's just wrong to take advantage of other women...This is why people need to be instilled with the proper virtues.
I don't give a shit about rape, really, I don't think it should be a crime. But if a rapist has AIDS or HIV I believe they should be put to death, so as not to infect all the other prisoners with their disease. It's a mercy really, AIDS is a slow death and they should be put to death for raping someone and giving them their disease. Of course the average modern cannot see the wisdom of this, so like retards they propose that HIV people get sent to prison so they can infect everyone else. Rape and molestation, without disease, is often a character building experience. Do we punish a lion for raping a mare?
What's this hubris about the sanctity of women, innocent delicate spirits undeserving of harm kind of nonsense? I smell some severe disney brainwashing at play here.
Zara is li'l Erik.
And, what's this about hubris being evil or something?
A home isn't one if its doors are open to all... irrespective of what j. said.
Without a woman, you have a house, not a home. Even if a woman is despicable, the ideal of a her is worthy of sanctity.
Some women are homes, others are hotels.
Whats wrong with ideal of a strong woman, who isn't fazed after a lil' ravashing, sweetie?
Because then you lose all sense of inferior and superior ushering in chaos, dysgenics, when females evolved to select, and start affirming zeta males... which is what is happening, but since it is on a larger scale [race-mixing], it doesn't appear to be a crime.
That old saying, when one man transgresses, he is a criminal. When a whole people do it, its a culture.
And strong is not equal to resignation and taking anything like a good doggie. When a woman says anything goes and puts the actions of alpha and zeta on par, then its Also the male ideal that dies... The beast digests everything; man discriminates.
The stoic virtue of strength as enduring anything by hardening or numbing the body is a piece of nihilistic Xt.
I didn't say enduring anything, dear, rape with AIDS is punishable by death. If say...you don't want to have a child with this person, there's always the morningafter pill.
OhFortunae
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Sounds a little bit like Marquis de Sade when he stated that he would want all women to be the property of all men; the women may not refuse and the men may not take a discriminative pick but must share with other men if they want a share. Of course the lower end of men will make use of such a system and degenerate the gene pool in a rapid speed like rabbits.
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Sounds a little bit like Marquis de Sade when he stated that he would want all women to be the property of all men; the women may not refuse and the men may not take a discriminative pick but must share with other men if they want a share. Of course the lower end of men will make use of such a system and degenerate the gene pool in a rapid speed like rabbits.
Don't believe women should be the property of men, or men must share with other men, or that men should be encouraged to rape. Rape should be looked down upon, the same way bullying is looked down upon, or flakey disloyal apathetic heartless girls are looked down upon.
However, in some cases, women should be the property of men, such as mail order wives.
Property is contract, don't you understand this? If the promises of daddy government start looking unappealing maybe they'll start going back to their former slave masters or maybe not. Place yourself above the outcome so as to take advantage of it. Tides go in, tides go out. Contracts are broken, contracts change.
when females evolved to select, and start affirming zeta males...
Thought the key to zeta males was that they didn't care if they got affirmed.
Definition of zeta male [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
FAGTOWS are Beta's, they pretend to not care anymore because they cannot get a (healthy) woman anyway, they were rejected at first and thus start playing games stating that FAGTOWS were actually the first to reject women to not expose their wounds while that is exactly what they do through such.
Actual Alpha's have the choice handed to them and thus have less care about a random fuck, less need for investment - though if he is selective he won't fuck randomly anyway.
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
OhFortunae
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_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Anfang
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To rape and to ravish probably have a similar word origin: From the latin word rapere (to seize).
'Rape' in moral code and law in ancient Roman times was about abduction, taking away a woman from her family (willingly or by force). It was about not consulting the family head about the matter and not paying tribute for the woman -That was the actual crime involved in 'rape'.
When Christianity took over in Rome (see St.Augustine), forced sexual intercourse became a matter of spiritual defilement. The defilement happens when woman enjoys the intercourse on some level. So if a young woman is seduced and the intercourse occurs outside of marriage, the woman has been defiled. Here it's about her sanctity which she defiled by enjoying sexual intercourse outside of marriage.
Under Constantine rape is punished by being burnt alive, both the abductor and the abducted woman if the woman did not offer sufficient resistance (e.g. if it looks like she may have enjoyed the rape (abduction), at least didn't resist it sufficiently, screamed for help etc.). If the woman did offer sufficient resistance she was 'only' to be disinherited by law. Here rape is again about the abduction, the taking away from her family in an unlawful way by not marrying her.
Later, 15th century and onwards the word rape became slowly not about the abduction, the taking away of the woman from her family but about the forced sexual intercourse and the one who got punished was for the most part the man and not the raped woman.
Today the word rape isn't used to describe unlawful (not having paid tribute) seizing of the woman but forced sexual intercourse. But sex involves an element of violence and woman is psychologically attracted to an element of violence and force, to being seized. Mating rituals involve resistance offered by the woman which is to be overcome by the man.
To ravish does not have this connection to the law and how people think about rape today and so it's often used when describing a desired forced sexual intercourse.
OhFortunae
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_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
when females evolved to select, and start affirming zeta males...
Thought the key to zeta males was that they didn't care if they got affirmed.
Definition of zeta male [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
FAGTOWS are Beta's, they pretend to not care anymore because they cannot get a (healthy) woman anyway, they were rejected at first and thus start playing games stating that FAGTOWS were actually the first to reject women to not expose their wounds while that is exactly what they do through such.
Actual Alpha's have the choice handed to them and thus have less care about a random fuck, less need for investment - though if he is selective he won't fuck randomly anyway.
Dunno much about fagtows, but alpha's denote a singularity, a single leader. Wolves wouldnt breed much if only alpha's had sex. Dont think women are looking for total alpha's, but just men who arent dumb like women and aren't ashamed to have a sexuality. Even so, women these days go for feminist males who believe women are on their level, so i'd say with human culture, anything goes, it's hard to establish a baseline for what is normal human behavoir because it's all so varied from person to person.
Lyssa Har Har Harr
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