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PostSubject: Re: Words Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:21 am

Rational argument refers to a factual relationship that can be observed and tested = validated.
Logical argument refers to a conclusion that is in agreement with a starting premise.
For instance 1+1=2, within the premises of 1/0, taken for granted.

For logic to agree with facts we must harmonize the abstraction-based noetic logic (mental map), with the externally experienced factual relationships between phenomena (geography).
Laws of Logic were meant to discipline the mind to natural order, reduced to patterns we call Natural Laws, because the mind can synthesize any absurdity it desires, including the simultaneous use of self-contradicting concepts...and of course the mind can cherry-pick words introducing, from the back door, concepts that do not harmonize with a concept, or that insinuate a concept into where it is unnecessary.
I used the example of how Christianity substituted the pagan word 'eros' with 'agape' , to both retain the connection to its roots in Hellenism, and to insinuate into the concepts its own anthropic principle; a subtle but decisive reinterpretation, building on-top of pagan anthropomorphizing.
A nuance that made all the difference. We also witness it in the Christian reinterpretation of polytheism through its Saints, and how it replaced Hellenic heroes and mythologies, with revelatory tales concerning pious men.
An example of linguistic corruption that exploited the already constructed anthropomorphizing, sold to the masses as narratives they believed in literally, and not as representational allegorical storylines, that could easily be memorized.

The base through-out the ages, and across tribal lines, were always exploited by their inability to think representationally.
Socrates was put to death judged by his inartistic, illiterate peers - a victim of Democracy that placed in positions of power individuals with sub-standard minds.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:06 am

Fluid existence is translated (interpreted) into an abstraction, represented by a word/symbol: the relationship of phenomenon-noumenon-semiotics corresponding to the physical (body), the psychological/intellectual (mind), and the neurological (dynamic, interpretation).
Language (semiotics) connecting/binding/relating.

The temptation to use a word-symbol that implies more than can be proven, is sometimes irresistible.
Using a word to anthropomorphize, or allude to human mental processes, is a way of translating the unknown, and alien, into something intimate.

Christians used 'Love', Schopenhauer used 'Will', but any word implying human cognitive processes, or traits, replace the blatant anthropomorphizing of the past, with allusion to the human.
Each word chosen for its particular insinuating linguistic nuances, and emotional appeal.
Intent has to be alluded to, without clarity necessitating justification.

Psychology is a factor.
Phenomenon = ordered existence (pattern)
Noumenon = abstraction (abstraction)
The process of converting the perceived into a form that can be processed, occurs in the nervous system where phenomena are given names - attached to symbols.
This is the point where corruption can occur; organic needs/desires directing semiotics.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:28 pm



The discovery of 'self' through negation - 'I am what I am not' - can take the last step, negating 'self' altogether, if one is dissatisfied with what is being revealed.
The power of the 'nil', is an esoteric noetic 'power' of powerlessness.
'Positive' and 'Pure' Nihilism are built upon it.
The power of the 'word', is also part of Christian dogma.
The 'negative', as an empty noetic multidimensional space, ready to build whatever delusion the needy mind desires - part of 'positive Nihilism'; and the all negating power of the 'nil' - alluding to the absence of an absolute - justifying itself, by selectively or entirely negating all.
In the former - 'positive' Nihilism - the 'one' is the word - but any symbol will suffice; an esoteric universe built on abstractions, represented by semiotics. In the latter the 'nil is the absolute - negating all positive variations of itself; the symbol is the nil, erasing all meaning, purpose, substance or whatever the psychotic individual desires to erase from existence.

Realism and Paganism, is 'outside' this bipolar psychosis. It does not participate in the Nihilistic bipolar paradigm with its multifarious abstractions - art-forms.
Nihilism's self-deceit, mistakes its own detachments from a restricting natural order - allowing it to produce multitudes of theories - for its 'truth'.  

There is, of course, no 'nil', just as there is no 'one'. These are mental constructs, and nothing more.
Both are part of the binary method, based on systolic/diastolic rhythms = on/off.
Binary Logic is linguistically expressed as dualisms: absolute order/chaos, absolute one/nil.
A primitive mind mistook its own internal voice, its emerging self-consciousness, for an alien conciousness, a spirit, a god;modern secular simpletons mistake their own abstractions, their own noumena, for external phenomena.
Progress from infancy to adolescence.

We have a long way to go.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:31 pm

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"I'm a language genius [references some unknown authority figure to give it credence]"
"Oh gawd, those definition-nazis..."
"There is no such thing as Hinduism."
"There is no such thing as [insert word that my detractors just used]."
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*recites a few words in a foreign language*
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Ahhh, that explains it. I had my doubts but now that you hastily mumbled a few words in this foreign language which almost nobody speaks, now I am convinced.

Hmmm...
I've heard that one before.
"There is no such thing as...White people."
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PostSubject: Re: Words Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:34 pm

Arrogance and pretentiousness masks insecurity and duplicity.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:06 pm



Not only what you say but how you say it transmits a message.

A text, a subtext, and sometimes even more is communicated....a third layer.
What words we use, selected from how they've been defined conventionally and placed, for reference, in books called dictionaries.
But definitions have subtleties that communicate more than what is defined.
It's selection, its place in the sentence, the tones used when speaking words, and so on....

All communicating ideas, and intents, and the communicator's own beliefs, but also carrying with them the speakers psychological state, his relationship to the topic.


To best clear words of all this baggage is to start from the 'bottom-up....from its connection to something observable outside the brain; something not arbitrarily selected, nor controlled, by the speaker; something he is also accountable to...as it is outside, separate from speaker and listener.

Accuracy can be evaluated by application, and the study of causality - costs/benefits.
All value judgements, all consciousness, is a juxtaposition: thinker to thought, subject to object, speaker to listener, etc.
Objective judgement are a triangulation.
Speaker to listener, in relation to a subject, an ideal, a goal, an external standard, an objective...etc.

Objective thinkers tend to place the standard for evaluating judgements outside from minds....so speaker and listener can both evaluate the subject in relation to a shared reality.

The way we define words also exposes our motives.
If we do not want to discover what we refer to with words/symbols, we define them in supernatural, surreal, so that we can postpone judgement, or evade it, or dismiss it indefinitely.
The use of words can also produce dependence - words defined in such ways as to produce shame, or vulnerability.

Logos does not control the world....it only controls organisms that can learn and apply language, or semiotics.
Their range of effect is equal to the quantity of minds that can react or respond to the words...as either raw sound or subtle meaning.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:19 pm

Truth = a healthy, courageous man of integrity, builds convictions, like he would build a home - brick by brick, and concept by concept.
Each idea is evaluated in relation to environment, and the goal, the type of structure he wants to build.
The triangulation is stone or brick, relative to intent, the structure, in relation to world, the environment, the slope of the earth, the vegetation, the climate, the type of soil, etc.

Man builds 'truth' bit-by-bit....each idea not an absolute truth, but a most probable one.
One brick on the soil, then the next one on top of the first....if the probability holds, the bricks hold.
The higher one builds the more the bricks, the ideas, below it, supporting it, are put to the test.
The house builder, like the idea builder, becomes more confident in his ideas the higher he builds, and when he tests them in real-time environments.

A fantasy house, can be constructed using fantasy stones.....it can be built floating in the sky, or in space, or on the bottom of a sea....The mind knows no limits that apply to the body.....ideology is not limited by reality.
But neither is environment absolute...it is shifting, changing, moving.....so the structure has a life-span, and requires constant upkeep.
In fantasy the kind of material does not matter. One can build just as easily using smoke, water, sand, as he would using stone, glass, metal.
Theories can also be built by using any word...even made-up words...because it is not obliged to adhere to real world conditions.
Theories can even deny basic environmental fact.....like gravity, like time.
If the theory need not be applied, what does it matter is the solidity of stones is nullified...and one claims that marshmallows would be just as good?

Which words we use, how we anchor them to the ground, in reality, what sequence we use to place them....their shape, their texture....all contributes to the end result.
We cannot use words arbitrarily and allow our creativity to go wild...not if we want to build something useful in real world conditions. If we simply want to fantasize, or escape in imagination, or play with ideas, then words can be fun...and fun can be healing.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:18 am

Astrology is an example of a nihilistic, word-based - semiotics - superstition.
It does not claim its metaphors, symbols can affect the stars, or that the 'insights' it offers can, in any way be used to control and/or manipulate the stars, or planetary objects....but its only claim is that the stars influence man, or life on earth - though they can never show evidence other than anecdotal concerning human, and only human, experiences.
So, its subject matter are not the stars but 'influence'....and not any kind a linguistic kind - therefore no organism, other than man, can be influenced by the stars.
Why is this so?
Because no other creature, on this planet can be influenced using symbols, language....or, to be more precise, the degree that an organism can be trained/educated to react to symbols (semiotics) determines the degree of 'influence' the stars can have over it.
Language is the key to influence, and influence is the subject of astrology...not the stars.

The 'astrologer' presents himself as a mediator, between 'victim', potential subject of influence, and the power of the stars.
The subject is entirely passive. He can do nothing about the power of the stars over him, he can only know it and accept it as what it is.
The 'power' is one-directional.
The astrologer becomes the facilitator of influence.
He, essentially, influences the subject by presenting himself as the unwilling proxy between power and the powerless.
He gains influence by preaching about influence.
The subject may be influenced, not by the stars, but by the mediator speaking about influence.

Astrology only has a possibility of being relevant in minds that can be influenced by symbols and language, and is totally and completely impotent outside minds.
It has a vested interest believing that world is 'mind', because that's the only way it can overcome this impotence.
But it can show no influence over minds that cannot learn to react to symbols, nor to inanimate objects....such as the stars themselves.
Astrology says nothing that can give us insight on how to influence stars.

Same thing for alchemy.
The precursor to modern sciences, such as chemistry, mineralogy, geology etc.
It cannot convert stone to gold, but it can convince minds that it can do so.
the only 'gold' it can manufacture is a theoretical, mental esoteric 'gold', for the same reasons given about astrology.
it is entirely impotent when it comes to actual minerals....but can only convert stone to gold, or gold to stone, in the minds of believers....fools gold, for fools.

Simple examples of how nihilism works....how it applies semiotics and manipulates words.
It's 'power' is always 'esoteric'....meaning psychological, in the minds of those that can be affected by symbols.
It's why I've said that for nihilists the word 'world' really means 'humanity'....or 'life'. World and humanity are tautologies...even if most nihilists will deny this.
This is what I mean when I say nihilism is solipsistic, or its theories are always self-consistent, and yet totally meaningless outside minds.
Their motive is to make all words like that....make them all theoretical, abstract....detached from everything outside, or beyond the mind.
Nihilism is philosophy in as much as psychology is also part of philosophy. It is politics, in as much as psychology is the underlying science.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:19 am

Nihilism converts all to semiotics so as to then manipulate and exploit using their psychological effects.
It's most viral strain has reduced all to the language of mathematics - binary 1/0 - and more specifically to monetary values - economics.
To fight against such an enemy one must adopt its methods, or reduce yourself to his level to face him on his field of effect.

If you noticed all Moderns now employ the language of economics - numbers - reducing qualities to quantities.
This places the argument within the human, seeking validation and justification in the amount of minds it can seduce, convince, manipulate.
An easy task when one keeps in mind that the majority use language - particularly numbers - as a means of escaping reality, or compensating for inherited flaws.
Money is a case in point.
It is the Jewish Messiah, promising 'heaven on earth', projecting 'paradise' on an earthly immanent 'future' that never comes.
Salvation can only come through monetary values. With money man 'corrects' his genetic failings, purchases pleasure, makes his genetic past insignificant. With money man builds artificial environments, pushing reality to the periphery, reinterpreting history, redefining symbols, fabricating his own private enclosure within which he can be anything and anyone; within which his 'errors in judgement' are expunged.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:08 pm

Languages emerges from the nervous system.
It represents the historical, and evolutionary, relationship of a population with the specific environment it interacted within.
The form of language, which part of the throat, pharynx, nasal cavity, is used, all display this relationship - developed over centuries.
This relationship establishes the 'dictionary definitions' - the meme.

The environment, natural order, is the reference point, the phenomenon the noetic abstractions are connected to, via the nervous system, with the application of semiotics - language.
The environment limits how and when and where words apply....it is not subjective.

The wilful, intentional dismissal of the environment only serves to expose a motive other than connecting mind with world.
For example, a misuse of language, or the intentional replacement of a word with another, indicates a motive other than clarity, or relating to reality.
The alternate word used hints at what the motive is.
Since natural order no longer imposes a restriction then the reason ought to be found in the one using, or misusing the word.

This is true of all art.
In painting, for example, if the painter does not try to represents the shared world as accurately as possible, employing his talent to depict in three dimensions what has more dimensions, or to represent movement using static imagery, then he substitutes the experienced form colour, with esoteric projections....or he displays his reaction to the real, not the real itself.
His painting will be a representation of his internal reactions to the external world. since nobody can know his internal reactions his art can never be judged using the world as a standard, but can only be judged by using one's own reactions as a standard. A comparison of psychological processes.
No talent is required, since it is truly subjective.

This I call fArt.

The same applies in the art-form of language and the discipline of philosophy which is about interpreting the world, and man's place in it.
We are entering an age of surrealism....verbal-vomit.
Philosophy is now preoccupied with psychological reactions to reality, rather than in reality itself.
The criteria change.

Instead of a shared world we must compare a 'theory' with how it makes us feel, what emotions it triggers, how much hope, how 'positive' an idea/ideal is.
This is not philosophy but psychology in the service of politics, or seduction, popularity, acceptance, profit.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:55 pm

The fact that there are no absolutes, including omniscience and the possibility of absolute certainty, means that man is forced to construct approximate conceptions of reality.
This means that a theory, a hypothesis, is judged on the merits of its arguments, in relation to a shared world, to reach the most probable answers.
Therefore, one cannot simply dismiss a theory on the grounds that it is imperfect, or incomplete, without offering a better alternative.

The application of words, their definitions, are crucial in this regard.
Words defined not using 'esoteric' or emotional or mental criteria, but external, empirical, observable, testable criteria.

We have two pillars that are connected with semiotics, with language.
On the on side, we have the dictionary, representing convention - precedent, historical foundations tried and tested over centuries; a symbolic representation of a genetically specific population's relationship with a specific environment, externalized as culture, traditions, rituals, and most importantly language/symbols or memes.
On the other side we have appearance, the past made present, as presence.
Language connects this inherited precedent (past) with the ongoing present...or it is meaningless nonsense; language in the service of a motive other than clarity, and uncovering reality.

So, language, via conventions - written in dictionaries - relates to presence (appearance) via the organism's nervous system - its senses.

A theory is evaluated on those two pillars.
Dismissing a theory using its imperfection and incompleteness as a motive, without offering a more complete and more perfect alternative is not only pseudo-intellectualism, using scepticism as a cover, its cowardice, and hypocrisy, afraid of accepting a probability because it contradicts personal interests, personal sanity, welfare, and prejudices.
It isn't thinking it's tactics of evasion.

The idea is: I will ask the same questions, no matter what answers I receive, unable to offer better noes, until I get the one I like or the one I've already decided is acceptable.

This is hypocrisy and cowardice in the raw.
In a cosmos with no absolute this is self-deceiving procrastination. The indefinite postponement of judgement because one is afraid of the answers.

Th other side of this rusted coin, is found among narcissistic/schizophrenics.
They not only declare the existence of absolutes - which is implied by the knowledge that they exist without being able to show one, other than one based no linguistics - but sometimes this psychosis attains a pinnacle of duplicity, claiming and being absolutely convinced - so they say - of having knowledge and understanding of this absolute - the foundation of Abrahamic spirituality.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:05 pm

A theory is not validated by "I say so", or "The evidence is in my mind - my heart - or in all our minds" where it cannot be perceived, nor tested.
A theory cannot be validated by destroying another theory, or by remaining unconvinced. A theory is not dependent no human belief, or human judgement. Reality does not cease because someone refuses to believe it is so.
A theory is not validates with prose, pretty sentences, implying flattering and empowering concepts, insinuating great power, eternity, or whatever the human heart desires. The world existed before there were humans using words to name it, or describe it, or relate to it.
A theory is not discredited by simply finding flaws in it, but never offering a superior theory.

The world is not affected by human convictions; human convictions are shaped by the world....unless they are protected from their own errors in judgement, or because they are never applied in world, but only remain 'perfect' in theory.
Self-deceit does no deceive the world. It simply guarantees that the same errors will repeat.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:00 am


The desperate attempts of obscurantism to mystify so as to hide its simple motives, is of course what is being alluded to in this quote.
But we can say that the opposite is also the case, or that the opposite logically follows.
To clarify is to make  the deep pool seem shallow - more shallow than it actually is.
Clear water gives the impression of shallowness, the eye tricked by translucency.
This exposes a fact about the nature of genius, as opposed to the pretence of it.
Genius is the mental talent capable of explaining complexity in a simple manner; in a way that a simpler, average mind, can appreciate, even if not completely understand.
Genius simplifies the complex. The pretence of genius complicates the simple.
This alludes to the concept of 'truth' or 'alethiea' as the Greeks defined the concept: un-forgetting, recalling.
The real, when exposed, makes the simple mind believe that it had always known it, even when it could not express it - that it had simply forgotten, unable to clarify, unable to put the obvious into words.
When something 'true' is revealed, the ones experiencing it as a revelation, feel like they suddenly perceived what was always in front of their eyes but they failed to clarify - as if a cloud, mist, had been pulled away, or the 'muddy' water was suddenly purified, allowing light to enter its depths, making it seem shallow.

This is the nature of genius, as I understand it: the mind able to make the complex simple enough for the average mind to gain some level of understanding.
To know is not the same as to understand.
Knowledge is data memorization and processing. Understanding is the appreciation of patterns in the data, allowing the mind to explain the same information using multiple sets of data, but never detaching form their source.
It's like the gifted explorer that can reach the same oasis from multiple directions, contrasted with the tourist who can only visit the destination from the usual, prescribed, often travelled paths, unable to veer off of them without getting lost.

The opposite, in fact, to obfuscating and obscurantism, that uses language to complicate the simple, so as to imply its own 'genius', or to mystify concepts to the point where the average mind, feeling insecure about its own abilities, will presume a depth that it can never appreciate but must seek help from the ones who can...or those you pretend that they can.

I am reminded of a Schopenhauer insights....
Schopenhauer, Aurthur wrote:
The works of really capable minds differ from the rest in their character of decisiveness and definiteness, together with the distinctness and clearness springing there from, since they at all times clearly and definitely knew what they wanted to express; it may have been in prose, verse, or tones. The rest lack this decisiveness and clearness; and in this respect they can be at once recognized.
The characteristic sign of all first-rate minds is the directness of all their judgements and opinions. All that they express and assert is the result of their own original thinking and everywhere proclaims itself as such even by the style of delivery....Therefore every genuine and original thinker is to this extent like a monarch; he is immediate and perceives no one who is his superior. Like the decrees of a monarch, his judgements spring from his own supreme power and come directly from himself.
The man who understands what he is talking about is the man who can explain it in multiple ways, so as to allow every other type of mind the possibility of understanding, even if incompletely.
The mind that has no clue of what it is speaking about, because it adopted beliefs, cannot depart from the way it was taught to him. It remains true to the original explanation, and has no way of following a different path to the same destination; or what it is describing is entirely non-existent and ideological, or the product of ulterior motives that are to be hidden so as to make the concepts acceptable, tolerable; it obscures, complicates, warps language so as to pretend deep insights, where only nonsense or base, covetous animal motives lie in hiding.
The method of obscurantism is usually practices by those who are motivated by fame & fortune, and are only interested in reality, in the truth, only as it pertains to attaining both. Convolution, corrupting language, manipulating words, are ways of alluding to what is untrue, or what is theoretical, a comforting fantasy.
using human gullibility, the need to be appreciated, to be included in a 'restricted group', to belong to a group, underlies the methodology.
It's core 'need', is covetousness. Men lie to gain what they covet. They lie for sex, for money, for attention. They lie because they are uncertain of their ability to attain using their natural gifts. They lie to compensate and to hyper-inflate.
The foundation of politics and marketing: the use of language not to make clear, but to make un-clear, allowing each potential follower, buyer, the possibility of projecting his own needs into the vague rhetoric.
Clarity makes obvious, inhibiting any misunderstanding, and is undesirable if popularity, or being liked by as many as possible, is the goal.
Clarity reduces the potential for misunderstanding, and misinterpretation.
It reveals and does not conceal. It states the obvious or makes itself obvious.
This is why it is a dangerous practice. When you are direct and clear you do not allow the psychotic a way out; he is confronted by a 'truth' he cannot respond to, linguistically, resorting to physical means to silence it. The feeble mind needs lies to cope, and clarity takes this away.
The response is one of resentment, anger, and hate towards the source of its discomfort. Like a cornered animal, it is driven to attack, because clarity has taken away all other options.

The last quote implies that depth of thought reveals, recalls to mind, what is disturbing, unflattering, 'negative'; where the average mind does not dare swim, into the abyss.
The real is not positively inclined towards human needs and desires, though most prefer to only speak of what is positive, making the 'negative real' an attack upon their well-being. Most people prefer muddy waters, afraid of what they might see lurking in the depths.

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