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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:44 pm


Reason deals with what is order.
It, then, assumes all can be intuited, that it all works in accordance to logic, and laws.
The Alexandrian Myth, is, to some extent, a reaction to mysticism, superstition, and all the irrational forces that produced, and justified, Abrahamic Nihilism, in the west.
But chaos, is not a more complex form of order. It is chaos, as in randomness -- what lacks all order, when order is not defined as an absolute state of being, but as a consistent, repetitive, predictable, movement - a pattern, or a vibration, a dynamic energy, that has a consistency to it.

As I've said many times before, reality is counter-intuitive.
We generalize/simplify a dynamic interaction of patterned and non-patterned energies into abstractions, and then mistakenly assume that the representation is the represented.  
We intuit in abstractions to give form, colour, taste, sound, to processes - we interpret them in a manner we evolved, and was the easiest, and most effective and efficient.

Only art could attempt to represent the counter-intuitive in an intuitive fashion, and language is an art-form.
But therein lies the danger, the temptation to corrupt.  
One can only approximate, allude to the real, but can also fabricate it, and claim that it is there, hidden, or in some below or above realm, beyond reason.
Artistic flexibility becomes an opportunity to delude and to fool one's self and others.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:56 pm

When ants conspire to kill, dissect, and carry back to their colony, a worm, they have no notion of a bigger plan.
They automatically act, in accordance to their nature.
A bull does not fight others bulls, knowing he will inseminate the cow, to pass on its genes.
It has no clue what it is doing, other than being driven by hormones, and evolved behaviours, to react in particular ways to particular stimulation, during particular times of a year.

A conspiracy need not be known to the participants.
Christians, for example, did not plan to destroy the west. They just followed the Scripture, manipulating their existential, natural, reactions to world.

Nihilism, and all its variants, need no universal plan, all the participants know about.
The memetic virus automatically guides their actions, without having to engage them rationally.
A virus need not know that it is killing the host it is propagating itself within, and that this will threaten its existence, forcing it to spread to a new host.
If it did, it may have second thoughts.
Ignorance enhanced efficiency.
Sam,e goes for a memetic virus.
Those infected by the ideals of Nihilism, whether they be Marxism, Judaism, Christianity, are more effective when they are ignorant of what is occurring.
They would become less efficient if they were aware.
They simply act in accordance to a dogma, a ideology, and like a host ant, infected by the parasite lancet fluke, it hijacks the ant's natural processes forcing it to behave in self destructive ways, inevitably killing the host and the parasite, which has already passed on its genes, to repeat the cycle in another ant.
The ant becomes a zombie, a mindless agent, behaving in ways contrary to its original genetic programming.

Therefore, when we speak of Nihilism, we do not mean it as a conspiracy, planned out and directed by some covert group....but of a mental dis-ease, that is then exploited or directed, sometimes unconsciously, sometimes driven by mindless automatic need the host does not have to fully understand.
The examples of Heisman and Weininger reminds us of what happens when the host becomes aware of its condition.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:59 am

Sloterdijk, Peter wrote:
The difference between a relationship to the world that is primarily about seeing or primarily about hearing has immediate implications for the unusual question of  where we are when we hear.  
To see something, the viewer must stand at a clear distance to the visible object. Being spatially apart and opposite suggests the assumption of a gap between subject and object that has not only a spatial but also an ontological effect. 
The end result is that subjects see themselves as worldless observers who always adopt a kind of external relationship with the cosmos, which has already moved away from them; in that case subjectivity, rather like a predominantly theoretical divinity,  would be first contemplative and then active.
To the extent that the visual world is a distant world,  ocular subjectivity accompanies the tendency to interpret oneself  as an eyewitness who cannot be involved.  The seeing subject stands ‘ at the edge’ of the world like a worldless and disembodied eye in front of a panorama – Olympian contemplation and optical theology are two sides of  the same coin.
Philosophers trying to construe existence from the fact of  hearing,  however,  could not
have imagined an observer-subject far away at the imaginary outer limit of  the world,
because it is inherent in hearing that it never occurs except in the mode of  being-insidethe-sound.  No hearer can believe that he or she is standing on the edge of  the audible.
The ear knows no partner; it does not evolve a frontal ‘ view’ of objects at a distance, because it knows ‘world’ or ‘objects’ only to the extent that it is in the middle of  the acoustic event – or,  we could say,  insofar as it floats in or dives into the auditory space.  
It follows that from the beginning a philosophy of  hearing would only be possible as a theory of  being-inside – as an interpretation of the ‘intimacy’  that will become sensitive to the world through human wakefulness.  
However, humans usually react in the same way towards the audible as they do to their view of faraway things – namely, by objectifying and being distracted, not being intimate,  remaining untouched in a self protective, distancing mode.  
This reminds us that the liaison between the ear and intimacy cannot be exclusive. In other words,  we cannot assume the entry of wakeful intimacy from hearing alone – just as little as we can transform people into mystics by telling them that they are beings-in-the-world.

The Aesthetic Imperative

This passage from Sloterdijk's book The Aesthetic Imperative indicates the psychological line between the exoteric and the esoteric thinker, or the introvert/extrovert.
Nietzsche divided it along the lines of herd and predator psychology, implying a divergence between herbivorous and carnivorous approach to existence, or predator and prey.
We can use this to fully comprehend the differences between Pagan, or Realism, and Abrahamic, or Nihilistic attitudes, producing their own outlooks, relationships with world, their distinct philosophies.  

The predator is visually dominated.
It requires light to focus upon and bring close, what is at a distance.
It discriminates and clarifies - distinguishes.
It is separated from its goal, its prey, its objective, creating the attitude of objectivity: cold and calculated, calculating, judging.
The herbivore, multi-directional perspective.
It uses sound and smell for an all-encompassing perspective.
It can be preoccupied, with feeding, for example, and still have an ear for potential threats.
The sound comes to it, as a passive receiver, and it must react, not knowing what it is.
Sound is vague, imprecise.
The herd must delve into memory to determine its nature, after it has reacted to it - flight.
Sloterdjik comments on this in relation to Cioran's musical theory.


Sloterdjik, Peter wrote:
This is not far removed from Emile Cioran’ s curious musical theory:
Cioran, Emile wrote:
All that is musical in us is memory.  
When we did not have a name, we must have heard everything. 
Music exists only as remembrance of paradise and the Fall.
If we succeeded in clarifying this Gnostic aphorism, we would have the key element of an in-depth musicology that would embrace both the musical art of  the past and
contemporary music.  
To explain this I shall simply divide Cioran’s remark into two main statements.  
First, we hear in advance, before individuation, which means that foetal hearing anticipates the world as a totality of noise and sound that is always in the process of coming; from the darkness the foetus listens ecstatically to the world of sound, usually oriented towards the world, leaning boldly forward to the future.
Second, after the formation of  the ego we hear backwards – the ear wants to stop the world existing as a totality of  noise,  it yearns for the archaic euphony of the pre-world interior and activates the memory of a euphoric ecstasy that accompanies us like a night light from paradise.
We could say that the individuated or unhappy ear continues irresistibly trying to move away from the real world towards a space of  intimate a-cosmic reminiscences.

The Aesthetic Imperative


The audibly inclined will worship a return to the womb, where all sounds were comforting, and not threatening.
Noise coming to the fetus through a protective shield - vague, mysterious, and comforting.
The psychology of nihilism wants to believe in a vague benevolent all-encompassing Being.
What it lacks in understanding it compensates with feelings, emotions, delving into its memories to determine the nature of the mysterious sounds - subjectivity.  

Predators using sight, are light oriented, therefore humans would come to worship light as divine mediator between subject, self, and objective, object, other.
Herbivores or hers species are sound and smell oriented. Degeneration of humans returns them to an infancy, where sight is still developing, permitting sound and smell, and touch to dominate.
Nihilism is a return to a fetus state - a return to the safety of mother's womb.
Feelings, touch, sounds engulf them.
Herd psychology - preoccupation surrounded by sounds that must be connected to memories to make them intimate.

We notice this difference is sensual approaches in the construction of philosophies, regarding existence.
The Nihilist, or Abrahamic, as this type manifests in the west, is esoteric. It considers world a hindrance to its preoccupied imagination, its endless regurgitating ruminations.
The mouth in constant movement - chatter.
Sound is imprecise, but engulfing, just as their usage of words. They are swept away by them- instinctively, intuitively, reacting to their mention, the sound of them being vocalized.
Even when written, the word is repeated internally to reverberate in the mind, as sound.
Sound that can then be sued to fantasize, to manipulate, in order to construct a perfect, all-encompassing, protective echo chamber.
Return to paradise, or the hope of utopia is the psychological desire to return to where world was sound, beyond the protective shell, sparking fantasies but never touching the fetus.
Words are used to construct a noetic womb, an engulfing sonar chamber, of music and joy.

Herd psychology is a regression to the state of infancy - inversion of time/space, of maturation, called progress.
A world of subjectivity and self-referential sounding boards - inter-subjectivity.

Race, sex are social constructs because vision is not to be trusted, for the herbivore. It only reacts to sound: the sound of rustling, of a baby crying, of a sudden noise, that makes it jump.
The auditory dominated herd does not require light to listen. It may close its eyes to the world, and sleep, awakening only to unfamiliar sounds.
Herds project an auditory wall of comforting braying, grunting, creating a sonar field - an embracing sound.
Predators are usually silent.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:18 pm

Nothing significant has been added to philosophy for thousands of years.
All that has been attempted is to update the ancient insights, for new generations to comprehend and apply, and how to dismiss and selectively accept, or invert what has been given to us a long time ago.

All that has been attempted is a psychological, political, and social adaptation to ancient knowledge.

How could it be otherwise?
The world is changing, is in Flux, but not at a rate where all patterns, all order, would be obsolete, making life itself impossible.
Natural order is evidence of a persistence of patterns over periods of time/space no human mind can fully conceptualize.
Changing the symbols, words, approaches, attitudes, has not changed the facts, or how these patterns relate, (inter)act.
At the same time we know that chaos is increasing, and that even the fundamental forces, or laws, governing these (inter)actions are splintering, predicting a gradual movement towards chaos, or randomness, experienced as expanding space/time, and/or possibilities/probabilities - linear time.  

The ancients used their own metaphors to describe this (fire water) and in time Moderns, in every era, used their own, adding elements that would make it comprehensible, or tolerable to their contemporaries.
All else has been political, psychological, artistic adaptations, to escape or manipulate or use this understanding.  

Our own Nihilistic age, is one characterized by the attempt to evade this insight, and invert it, to manipulate and exploit those who cannot cope with it.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:33 am

He who fishes in a sewer is sure to catch a species that consumes feces, and feels at home in the muck.
He who consumes such species identifies himself as a predator of the lowest, most desperate kind, by digesting his own excrement by using a intermediate entity to hide the fact of his self-recycling.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:38 am

Discussing the human condition and anything to do with homo sapient, with those who deny sexual and racial differences, is as futile and useless as trying to discuss cosmology with those denying gravity and the relevance of the sensually perceived.

If we return to the same topics it is only because in our time nihilism has reached a point where it's impact on human cognition has become obvious, after centuries of working obscurely and inconspicuously, gradually eroding our faculties; with such subtlety that it could be dismissed as another conspiracy theory, equal in absurdity as Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster.

We are reminded of Orwell's warnings...

Orwell wrote:
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Orwell wrote:
Myths which are believed in tend to become true

Orwell wrote:
The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.

Orwell wrote:
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.

Orwell wrote:
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.


We have, indeed, sunk to such a low that we, intelligent revolutionary men, must repeat the obvious because the present is controlled by a dis-ease that denies it.
We return to race and sex, and homosexuality, because in these concepts the dis-ease is becoming apparent, after generations of infection.
Some diseases do not become noticeable until it is too late. Its symptoms subtle, gradually becoming normalized as we become sued to their effects.
What is now making it obvious to all with honesty, is that a narcosis has taken over - placing the majority in a comatose state of dreaming, each in their own private reality; disconnected from the world around them.

They will accuse us of obsessiveness, because we repeat what has always been obvious, and is now denied - our senses being dismissed as having ulterior motives, a metaphor for the body contradicting ideologies - the real conflicting with the ideal - noumenon annihilating phenomena; a world of occult hidden knowledge, conflicting with the observable, experienced, or adding to it a mystical substratum to make it all intimate and less threatening, less unknowable.
We obsess over basic understanding being corrupted, and replaced by emotional jargon.

Race and sex, are small parts of the existent, but when one begins by rejecting them as insignificant, one cannot proceed to higher understanding, relating to the human condition.
What will follow, after such a casual declarative dismissal, is a warped structure, or a construct floating in noetic space/time with no substance, no earthly foundations, and no meaning other than that imposed upon it by communication needs, and emotional desires.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:58 pm

Because all ideals are emotionally based, for nihilists, they can only comprehend any antithesis to them as equally emotionally based.
Self-preservation in a threatening, indifferent world, is felt as self-love, making anything that confronts and contradicts this self-love preservation, a product of hatred, and an attack on this self-preservation.
A life or death scenario.

Lying to self, fabricating methods to denounce, and deny reality that confronts and contradicts their self-loving, self-preservation motives, masked in mountains of pseudo-philosophical jargon, and evasive linguistics, becomes a matter of grave importance.
Subjectivity is this protection of their shaky self-love, and the justification of their self-preservation at all costs.
It is because of their insecurity that they can love themselves only when this love is not questioned, or does not require justifications.
Their self-[preservation at all costs, means they are willing to do anything to survive.
Lie, cheat, manufacture justifications, live in an alternate reality, deny their own awareness...anything.
They have to shame.
They would do anything to survive...and to hide how this makes them feel about themselves, they exaggerate their self-love.

Hyper-masculinity is a byproduct of feminization, just as a love all deserve is a product of self-contempt.
In Abrahamism this self-contempt and loss of pride, in self-esteem, is compensated with hyperbole: a non-discriminating love, a paradise, an eternal life after death.
Everything is inflated in theory, metaphorically, in some alternate reality, to compensate for an unflattering reality.  
Self-contempt is compensated with exaggerated self-love.
Insecurity and fear is compensated with hyper-bravado.
Emasculation is compensated with hyper-masculinity.
Loss of self-esteem is compensated with an inflated sense of self - hyper-ego protecting fragility and uncertainty.
Disapproval with reality is compensated with a hyper-realism, an alternate world, or a denial of it to all who approve.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:35 pm

The last, desperate, gambit for a weak mind, after he's become aware, but still not admitted it to himself, that he's overestimated his own cleverness, or underestimated that of his opponent, is to claim that, despite the chess-board, he's been luring the other into a trap, or, he now shares in the other's victory by staging it as a "lesson".
It's the only way the ego can save itself from the pain of being exposed.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:53 pm

The wonderful thing about being a realist is that the world is on your side.
You don't need followers, helpers, quotes...even if sometimes they add to the impact.
It's only a matter of time, for the most stringent delusional degenerate, to begin to pretend that he was always on that side, and that he never denied the validity of what he once rejected and fought against, and now claims to have hidden a secret agreement.

Success has many fathers...failure is always an orphan.

Females know this well.
They cannot resist the man who enters the scene with a female she considers her equal, or her superior.
The same man she would not turn to give a second look to, is suddenly, someone she always "felt" was a "diamond in the ruff".

More vulgarly...pussy is attracted to the smell of pussy on a cock, not her own.  


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:23 am

Life is a sub-category of order.
Species is a sub-category of life.
Race is a sub-category of species.
Sex is a sub-category of species - a specialized form, allocating trait development according to this specialized function.
Individual is a sub-category of all the above.

Transcendent individuality, would be a overcoming of sex, the species identifier, and race, the sum total of past.
It would be man as pure idea, and present with no past.
A truly tabula rasa individual, would be non-genetic...a memetic delusion that pretends man is born lacking all genetic dispositions, and that everything the he identifies with is written after his birth - by upbringing.

Abrahamics and Marxists assume such a cleansing state, as part of the individual's indoctrination, necessitating ritualized erasing of all genetic dispositions, leaving a clean slate for the dogma or ideology to write new codes.  
We see the relation to Transhumanism, where the machine is programmed from scratch - man writing the codes of its subsequent behavior, utility, functionality.

It lacks a past, a genetic code (memory) because its creator, man himself, is the bearer of memory.
Past, genetics, has been externalized, leaving before us a clean machine, a pure idea.
The robot, a mechanized adaptation of the zombie, is a clean slate upon which man, selectively, writes his preferred behaviors, and potentials.
Memory, in the creator man, is the filter through which the genetic code is transferred into the mechanoid, by converting it to numbers (language).
This is how the Modern Nihilists envision a human being - a mechanized, lacking all dispositions, all memory, all limitations of its potentials - equality in potentials either upwards, towards unlimited potential (positive nihilism), or downward, toward uniform mediocrity (lowest-common-denominator - pure nihilism).  

Past is erased, or is overcome...transcended, in theory, in the mind - noetically, idealistically.
To transfer this theoretical "ascent" they must impose strict behavioral and linguistic rules - censorship.
Nihilism is social engineering, masking as spiritual awakening, progress, enlightenment.
It cannot speak of its own desires and methods, so it unloads them on those who threaten to expose them.
The Modern (Nihilist) is not only a hypocrite, has to be, he is also effete, using feminine methods to evade self-awareness.
I've described this elsewhere.
Process of self-absolution, is to delude one's self, (self-deceit) and then accuse other of what is being lied about, of what is being repressed in the psyche and kept secret from self.
The individual feels clean, innocent - saved.
Saved from what?
Saved from self, in the world....self as the determined sum of all past nurturing.
Nature cleansed away, leaving a pristine, clean, shiny robot - not a rotting zombie, covered with the remnants of this past - flesh and bone on a form that only hungers, consumed, carries on, shuffles on, in endless production consuming - but a sexy, anthropomorphic machine, emulating emotions, altruism, being completely programming....not by a god, but by man himself.
Self-Programming. It's a "logical" conclusion that if man is programmed by other men, that he may deprogram himself, reprogramming himself, with what he considered good.

Modern man, is man as machine.
Working, producing, following the rules, in harmony with a community of robots - the Borg, with a shared voice.
Therefore, appearances must be made superficial - individuality as a wardrobe option, or a restaurant choice from the available (acceptable) menu.  
Man shaped by marketing.
His tastes and judgments of beauty of strength of what is superior, a product of engineering - meaning nothing other than a preference, an expression of fashion.
He appears different, because he's programmed himself, or because he chose to appear so, when he chose the day's wardrobe...but inside there's a uniformity of nil.
An empty body - void of past, with no memory, except the ones programmed into it to carry out its duties and to performs its tasks and to pretend it is human.
No direct continuum.
No harmony between metaphysics<>physics<>ideals...past<>present<>future.
All is presence, and future.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:47 pm

Moderns, brought up in a system that offers choices within limitations, are inculcated to the idea that everything is a product they can buy, or reject, with their denial to purchase it.

In philosophy they approach ideas in the same way.
They either buy into the idea, or reject it, refusing to give it validation by considering it at all.
They can reject everything from Evolution to any philosophical concept, by simply refusing to purchase it.
To reject a philosophical concept you must provide reasoning, nor declarations, and if you have integrity you must also provide an alternative to the idea you reject.

For example, rejecting Evolution theory is easy, in this age.
Another idea, sold on the ideas market.
But to not give reasons for rejecting it, and then not providing an alternative to the void left by the rejection, is what degenerates consider their 'right' - the socially based privileges of subjectivity, and living in their own world.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:01 pm

On the ideas market there is an expert selling an idea that satisfied every particular need.
If the only criterion is agreement with an ideology, with a conclusion, or with an emotion, then all such experts provide a product to satisfy every possible need.

To never compare the ideas sold, with the world we experience sensually, makes such books even more compelling.
The expert, with his credentials, gives us authoritative support, without us ever looking into how his own peers reacted and challenged what he asserted.
What matters is big book sales, and the only way to assure the publisher he will benefit from spending money on a writer, is the potential buyers market. The focus group.
More sales means the book must appeal to more individuals, in today's world.
The book should not be offensive, or is should not contradict what the majority wants to believe is true.
Science and statistics could be adjusted, as science is never absolute, and statistics are affected on how the questions are asked.  

Spin-doctoring is how a potential big seller, adjust what is known, to what the public can accept.
The statistic/author is a human, after all, with a family, with friends, with social ties, and wholly dependent no funding to remain viable.
The left side of the nihilistic paradigm has been spinning lies for decades.
When the right side of the same paradigm, began practicing the same methodology, they were offended.

In all his truth is lost in the whirling spin.
Vertigo is a high.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:17 pm

What this Capitalist/Marxist context of ideas in the marketplace implies, is that for western children raised in a Cold War era, and after the seminal point of post-modern degeneracy, in the sixties, ideas are products to be purchased depending on personal needs.
Some to sooth hemorrhoids, others to comfort themselves, others to medicate themselves, others, to get their clothes whiter than white, and for every utility there was an ideology and a school full of sanctioned "experts" to validate and teach how to apply the ideology effectively and, in most cases, only theoretically, because the majority of these products were non-applicable externally but only internally - noetic, with zero pragmatic application.
(10 out of 11 dentists agree...)
Marxism itself proved to be a product only for the naive. A product that could not be applied in reality, because it was a theory completely detached from the reality of the human species...as was Abrahamism from where it sprung out from...as are ALL nihilistic ideologies, theories, art forms etc....
A side-market began to flourish. The market of excuses and evasions.
How to save the reputation of the failed product, how to rename and repackage it, and then resell if to a new generation of gullible consumers, with the same needs.
How to keep the capital gains flowing.  
Bernays made it into a science, creating what moderns call marketing and political discourse....American style.

Of course, philosophy proper, does not work on market forces. It is not judged on market value, nor on popularity, or how it makes some feel, and what it promises.
To put it into a context a modern degenerate could relate to, philosophy's motive was never private, or interested in solving some personal matter, or how an individual can apply it to comfort himself.
It's motive has nothing to do with comforting, evasion, numbness, popularity, being famous or getting your undies soft and white.
It was never a soap opera, selling a one hour escape, full of positive emotions, releases of negative emotions, and cleansing of one's psychotic palate.

Philosophy was never a product...but if it were to be placed among products, it's goal, its motive, would be reality: how to explain lived reality, the sensually perceived, the experienced world.
True and honest philosophical ideas are about competing over which one explains reality the best...not which one makes us feel the best, or comforts us, or includes us in a group, or makes us popular, or how it deliver on the promise to get us laid, or to give you a lifetime of happiness.
For this reason philosophical ideas are about superior and inferior theories, positions, evaluated on their merits: how well they explain observed phenomena.

Evolution Theory is deemed superior to Creationism because it offers the best explanation for what we experience in nature.
To challenge Evolution Theory one must challenge it on its points, not on emotions, on slandering and making insinuations against Darwin or those that hold evolution theory above all other theories, on ad hom attacks using innuendos and all kinds of feminine methods.
One challenges a rational theory, like evolution, with reasoning...and if the challenger has integrity, and is not a hypocrite, one goes further, and does not simply critique evolution, for its many weaknesses, but by offering an alternative that gives 'better' explanations for species evolution and nature, than it does.
a true challenge to a theory is a better theory, to explain the same observable, testable, phenomena.

These are the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ways, I use, to determine superior from inferior.

Application is the best because in nature there is no debate...there are costs & benefits which decide which mind had the superior perspective, and which was living in its own private subjective universe.
In the wild there is no talk over "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or "all are equal and deserving"...the victor passes on his genes, which is the goal....the loser does not.
The winner had healthier offspring...the loser has sickly ones....the superior has superior outcomes.
Changing the goalposts, the goal, to accommodate all possible outcomes is what degenerates do to escape the harsh realities of an indifferent cosmos.

So, in the context of philosophy and its goal of explaining existence, then the winner is the one with the superior explanation, that can be observed in practice, from a distance (#2), that has the greatest mount and best quality references to a shared world (#3), but first and foremost the one that can be applied and be used to predict and to guide you towards any goal (#1).

Changing your mind, every decade or so, is not only a feminine disposition (for reasons I shall not get into but are rooted in evolutionary psychology), is not a flattering thing. It indicates a mind that is gullible and superficial, or not smart enough....because reality may be in flux, but not to a degree where no order exists, for time periods surpassing a human lifespan, or the total time required for life to emerge on earth.
If nature had no consistent order, then life would be impossible, as would science, philosophy, art...and all culture and civilization.
No matter what culture you are born into, what planet, what galaxy, some patterns hold true, at least on timescales required for life to emerge - there are common facts that cross cultural lines.
for instance beauty as symmetry & proportionality.
The symmetries may vary, but the 7/10 rule remains true.
Height, for females, as indicating male health, holds true. Shoulder to chest, to waist proportionality, holds true. Humour, as indicative of intelligence creativity, holds true. Power as desirable, indicating access to resources, holds true.
Skin and hair texture, as indications of health.
Proportions that exhibit fertility.
All cross-cultural signals.

How you dress them up is a secondary matter. What make-up you use to accentuate them, is another topic.
That you eat, and what you eat, is the genetic pattern...how you prepare and serve your meal is the meme.
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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:50 pm

When philosophy was integrated into market dynamics, and politics it had to abide by the rules that govern those domains.
So what are some of these rules.

-Repetition - until your product becomes recognizable and immediately associated with specific ideas, feelings, ideals, desires.
-Promising something that services a popular need - supply/demand
-Numbers matter, because they measure "validity" in these domains. Who receives the most votes and which product sells the most, or makes the largest profit
-Hyperbole is accepted, if it does not cross the line into overt lying.
-finding a famous spokesperson, a pitch man, or icon. increases sales.
-Make the brand recognizable
-Associate the brand with positive emotions, so the name itself and its symbol can trigger an immediate positive reaction
-Use senses as a fast way into the reptilian mind - manipulating the most primal parts of the intended consumer group's psychology
-Re-brand and recycle what has sold successfully in the past

Reality has no place here.
All that matters is market value.
What's tending, what will be the next "big thing".
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] & symbols, used to manipulate, not to connect mind to reality - noumenon to phenomenon...but to connect noumenon back to noumenon.
Popular brands do not sell because they are good for you, or they expand your consciousness, but because they give you what you think you need, and they make you feel good, and because years of indoctrination has connected them with ideas, imagery, desires, to the point where one cannot hear the rand name and not associate it with these concepts.

And what is the biggest desire among the masses but the desire to correct the past, manifesting as presence?
To erase what has determined their traits.
to escape past, or the sum of all previous nurturing, ion other words nature.
To create self, as if from nothing, as a God would.

Tabula Rasa isn't real, it's the idea(l).
It's a social construct, a nihilistic concept, the majority want to believe is true.
The system cultivates the lie, because it results in social harmony - artificial uniformity.
Today's losers are tomorrows winners, because nothing remains the same, or nothing ought to remain the same in a ideal nihilistic universe.
Change means social mobility.
Everyone is a genius in their own subjective universe, in their own right, in their own context...and everyone is beautiful and strong, and lovable, and deserving, and good.

This is the desired future world of Utopian Nihilism.
Paradise brought down to earth...but not the real one, but some alternative earth...like the Communists believed in a political system meant for an ideal organism, existing in an ideal world, in an ideal environment.
Nothing was real...it was all naive fantasies, that eventually slaughtered millions...as did Christianity, and Judaism, and Islam...the nihilistic triad of "Love".

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:16 pm

The motive justifies the mean.
What is the motive in humoring imbeciles, or pretending to respect them, when they are uttering inanities and demanding to be heard and to be considered seriously?
The motive of popularity, or retaining an open door to their possible integration into a following.
An easy integration the more willing you are to lower your standards to attain the end, by sacrificing your integrity.
The motive, being popularity, numbers, the means being flattery, pretenses, lies...repeated so often and automatically that, in time, the liar becomes convinced of his own lies.
The end engulfs him, to the point where he forgets the original motive. He becomes the means to an end he has absorbed as part of his means.

This is the only motive for speaking lies, and flattering, and pretending the other is more than an imbecile.
The only other motive is to remain true to a dogma that insists on universal love, as evidence of faith...as with Christianity, and Marxism, if you change 'love' as another name for God, to 'humanity'.
Christianity insists that the lowliest of the low, the most pathetic, retarded, idiotic, feeble minds, be treated with love and consideration, if you have a chance of entering the promised land.
Marxism makes it a slogan - "workers of the world unite!!!
Could have been "sinners of the world, repent!!!".

The chosen to suffer, becomes the chosen to be impoverished....resulting in a self-contradicting paradox inherent in Marxism as it is in Judaism and Christianity.

But, I am not bound by such motives, but only by a threat.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:39 pm

It's now a matter of survival, the trend to distance self not only from reality, but from those 'other' degenerates who are part of the same dis-ease.
The symptoms are becoming so obvious that even a mediocre mind, still quoting Nietzsche, or Jesus, or some other icon, to pretend he is part of the 1%, cannot help but see what is occurring, cannot help, no matter how degenerate he is and wanting to deny his own senses, what academics, like Peterson, on the fence, until recently, are coming out to warn us about.
In this newly discovered insight I include the MRA movement, that perceived the edge of the dis-ease, by its most obvious symptoms in the feminist movement, and feminization, but does not, yet, dare to see deeper.
The MRA, then MGTOW, and more recently Peterson, one of many academics ringing the warning bells, are coming out, because only now has the dis-ease becoming too much to ignore as part of a harmless fashion trend.
But all of them, still trapped in the Abrahamic paradigm, remain within its Judeo-Christian premises, and do not risk, even if they may see further, to go further in their analysis, so as to discover the roots of the ailment that begins more than two thousand years ago, reaches an apex in the sixties, when the Cold War was already decided, but not yet settled.  

Evidence of this is how they are now starting to hint at biological differences that cannot be explained by using the Frankfurt School's post-modernity justifications, and allude to a homosexual application, but refuse to proceed toward race, and genetic divergence on a population level.
Specialization cannot be ignored, by the most honest and courageous ones, but few can follow through with the same logic, found within Evolution Theory, to racial differences.
I believe that the reason for this mental restriction is the fact that to do so would open the mind to the discovery of the source of this dis-ease as it has infected and affected the European based west.

It's not only about Nihilism, because this can be found in human psychology as a deeply seated anxiety, when faced with a threatening awakening to an indifferent world, and the individual's place within it.
It's about how a particular method of coping with this realization became viral, and is now threatening to become global.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:51 pm

Got a taste of the American armed forces when I was serving in Greece.
We were based in an 9 inch artillery unit in Kilkis, a border province with what was, at the time (1985), Yugoslavia, or part of the Warsaw Pact.

We had to perform some military exercises with an American unit based there, that had nuclear artillery shells.
They could not trust them to the Greeks, so they had to deliver them for launch.
I remember the soldiers...they were niggers, or Caucasian hillbillies, white trash, that had no idea I spoke English, or American, and could understand everything those retards said.
My unit's major had placed me among those that had to accompany, and protect, the transference of the nuclear shells, because of my knowledge of English.
I recall how unimpressed I was by the soldiers. Negroes and half-wit whit Americans, who didn't even want to fall on the mud when we performed our mock drills,
They crouched while we fell in the mud and water, of spring thaw, because their ironed, clean uniforms might become soiled....meanwhile we Greeks were wearing these ripped uniforms, because they only gave us new ones every year.
We had to rip the pants to make makeshift patches for when our uniforms ripped...we had two pairs to last the entire year.
Imagine wearing two sets of clothes, every day, for an entire year.
I sewed up a few holes myself, until my pants had no leg pockets, by the end of my service.
 
The weather was so harsh in Kilkis, in the winter, that the water pipes froze and we had no showers or water, for months.
We used to heat water in our metal helmets on a wood stove to wash our uniforms and underwear and socks. With no warm water we shaved with freezing water, for the daily role-call, because every morning we had to be clean-shaven, and our boots had to shine....and our beds had to be made tight and clean.

Anyway...what struck me then, at the age of 19, was how pathetic the American soldiers were.
These soldiers of a world power.
I recall how these two tall niggers, about 6'9" each, were surprised when among our ranks we had a 2.10 meter soldier. We were all average Mediterraneans, and he was a basketball payer for Aris.
The niggers were surprised, as you can expect.
Tsitakis was his name...I have a pic of him and I play fighting on the base.

Good times.

What I learned in the army was self-esteem....no matter what bullshyte the others say, it's when you live and sleep with them, for months, that you see what they are truly made of.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:30 pm

I only acknowledge two as the times I came near death, and both are characterized by my unwilling involvement - one not consciously involved and the other demanding my conscious involvement.  
One was before I was one, almost dying in the arms of my grandmother who died later due to the incident, and the other when I was not entirely lucid, after a day of drinking and eating, when I wanted to cool off, in Monemvasia, when the night was hot, and the waves were inviting.
The other times, close or not, I was entirely ready to die, and so I do not include them in what I consider 'near death' events in my life.
Being lucid of the risks, means you know the odds for and against.
No matter if you are right or wrong, you've evaluated the odds and judged them to be in your favour, so that you survived is part of the evaluation, and not near death at all.
It's only when you are not entirely cognizant of the odds, that in retrospect you appreciate how close you came to dying.  


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:49 pm

All you can ever do with a clown is to let him carry out his performance uninterrupted, knowing that a clown feels proud of the joy and effect he produces in the audience.
No need to disturb a clown, or tell him about the audience/performer relationship, when all that matters is the effect the clown finds self-esteem and purpose in.

A clown must be a clown, and a rat must be a rat, and a worm a worm...and the audience member, absorbed and taken over by the performance, can only have been exactly what he was born to be - an easily impressed needy individual using clowns to un-burden himself from his secrets.

But to be born, does not mean that all is determined.
It means to be inclined towards the path-of-least-resistance.
A path followed by all not self-conscious organisms, and molecules, such as water flowing down a mountain slope.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:59 pm

Everything following the psychological manipulation of Nihilism, in the context of philosophy, has been a psychological application, or justification, or evaluation of its effect, through the centuries.
We can include Jesus, and Nietzsche as being two parts of the same psychological analysis.

Nothing new about world, but only about how to cope with it all.

We can say that after the memetic dis-ease took hold of the European's psyche, he's been dealing with what and how to adjust to the awakening.
Jesus was an infantile coping mechanism, and Nietzsche a more mature adolescent attitude, full of the sexual energies of a teenager awakening to his indestructible, untapped energies.
Jesus was mankind awakening to existential indifference, looking to itself for support, and Nietzsche  was a growing up to the delusions of infancy and the demand for a more mature approach.
What has come in-between were growing pains.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:24 pm

Where carnivores roam, carrion rots, lying unclaimed after they've had their fill.
Then come the scavengers, feeding on what remains, scraping a living from skin and bone, tooth and nail.
After them appear the insects, to feast on what's rotting, and to lay their eggs. Entering every crevice, every orifice, to nibble on the microscopic.
Plants absorb and grow high and lush, on what settles into the earth, before and after digestion.

That's when the grazing herbivorous return to clean it all up, and start the cycle again.

Same process repeats, in the physical and in the psychological - matter and mind.
Same creatures, different contexts.
Same process.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:50 pm

They remind me of common whores, these men of high mind and good qualities.
A good whore, recalls every clever quip she heard uttered before she gave herself to the one who paid her price.
She's accumulated an education, from her numerous liaisons.
Anecdotes, famous names, literati quotes from popular books.
Being a whore, she feels no shame in repeating them as if they came to her, as those who placed them in her head came in her.
If she is smart, she may change the names, and places, perhaps slightly modify the tale, remaining true to the cultivated insinuations.
A whore can receive more than a coin, or two, from her work.
An informal education she need not feel gratitude for.

But, like all second hand clothes, the previous owner leaves a few stains and tears in unseen places, that cannot be claimed by the one who wears them as if he purchased them, on his own, brand new.
A new owner cannot explain the stitching and the thread count, because he purchased what he wears, and did not sew it himself.
When he tries to explain it, as if it were his own creation, he always falls into contradictions, or uses explanations that have little to do with how clothing is created from scratch. He may fool the common mind, also ignorant of such things, and impressed with the garment itself, but he will never fool someone who knows how clothes are made.  
To one he may appear talented, and to the other he will be another pretentious liar, using the gullibility, ignorance, and desperation of others, to manufacture an image, around a idea, or garment, someone else created for him.
Instead of spinning yarn, and sewing cloth, using his fingers, he will be spinning tales, and sewing hay, using his tongue.

Literature, prose, poetry, offers to a common buffoon, a collection of metaphors and word associated imagery, triggering awe, and reverence, to manufacture an image of himself, that is not himself.
Like with matters of clothing, too much wear and tear, in time, exposes the body beneath the impressive outer garment; the armpits will eventually be soaked in bodily fluids, who's smell will contradict the flowery language, and flattering political verbiage; the undergarments will become soiled, sending beyond the fabric wafts of feces and urine, that remind all of an animal hiding in cultivated and well-crafted apparel.

A good education cannot hide for long the essence of the man.
No amount of eloquent prose, and inspiring poetics will suffice.
The man exposes himself, when he bears himself, in time of passion, or pain.
Excess and lack - desire and need.
Whores feed on both.         


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:09 pm

Only life, organisms, can compare, and juxtapose, and choose, and appreciate, and compare.
Therefore, only life can judge, and by judging direct its self, towards and away.

Only life can judge and so only life and enjoy and suffer consequences of more or less accurate judgments - adjusting its future judgments accordingly - memory/experience.
It does so by appreciating consequences, as cost/benefit in relation to the expected and the desired - the objective.
Another term for objective is idea(l), as it refers to a mental construct, that is more or less accurate, in relation to an indifferent to all interpretations and idea(l)s world.

Self, refers to this accumulated and stored memory/experience.
The word, the concept, 'self' has no meaning outside this connection - continuum.

Cost/Benefit refers to the sum of all nurturing, manifesting as presence, and also called 'nature', or spirit, essence, ειδος.  
Each continuum of accumulated costs/benefits results in a organic type - also called species...race being a sub-category describing an accumulation insufficient to splinter off into a distinct reproductive type.

Obviously such a description implies that the benefits were more than the costs, because the reverse would result in death.
So when we speak of presence we speak of successful consecutive judgments....unless we include the intervention of others, to alter the consequences.
Now things become more complex, as we cannot entirely evaluate how much intervention participated in success.
The easy thing to do is to level it all down, and claim that all humans, alive, are the outcome of successful judgments, or all benefited equally from intervention - codependency.      


But this is not the case.
The outcome itself exposes the quality of judgment, and points to a greater or lesser degree of intervention.

Sheltering feeble minds from the consequences of its feebleness, does not eliminate feebleness, it propagates it.
And it shows in the outcome.  

All that is present, has presence, and by presence I mean appears, is the manifestation of all that preceded its appearance.
Past is not lost...it can be covered up, hidden, manipulated, denied, forgotten, but it is never lost...it is always apparent, present...and by being present it can be perceived, and evaluated.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:15 pm

Big lies are built on the backs of multiple smaller, innocuous, 'white' lies. 
You cannot even begin to discredit the big lie, without returning to the multitude of tiny, seemingly harmless ones. 
You let them pass and you allow them to settle and become the foundation for the big one. 

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7:57 - Peterson shows us how deeply Jungian he is. We know Jungian was a Christian.
The contradiction of using Nietzsche, while at the same time being Jungian, is part of modern compartmentalization.
We sample thinkers, and synthesize our own world-view.
We combine, what often is antithetical.

9:31 - The Greek word he is referring to is praos {πράος} - to calm, to control anger/passion. To tame.  

10:34 - Personae...persona.
I used the term to define and describe the natural personality, the nature of the individual, his/her genetic type, as opposed to the social character, the caricature, the social identity, his/her adopted, or learned memetic type.  
I use it in the opposite way to Jung. Character is the mast, and personae is the true self, the man/woman behind the mask, under the clothes and titles and symbols/words.
I used it because of its affinity to Plato's psyche, a Greek word meaning spirit, as opposed to character which refers to caricatures but also to charisma, a contrived, yet talent based eloquence, exposing only what is required to be seductive, liked, effective.

Shadow as a Jungian usage of the Nietzschean metaphor, who took it from Plato's cave analogy.

16:00 -  This is only partly correct.
Humans are pair-bonding, but only for a short-term - as long as it takes for a human child to reach an age of independence, for the female, for the male only as long as it takes him to have his next erection.
Monogamy is a social technique/technology, benefiting mostly females and males before modernity took away what small benefits a male enjoyed and made it a lose/lose for them.
The size of human male testicles is evidence exposing male reproductive roles.
"Casual sex" is a product of modernity's Consumerism and Hedonism, supported by technologies like contraceptives and abortions, permitting females to behave as if they were males, on a physical level - an illusion.  

22:06 - At this point Peterson shows us the roots of his Abrahamic affinities and why Jung is closest to his heart.  
After Reading Jung for eight months, and while listening it the very Christian Mozart, he had an epiphany - a religious experience.
His subsequent world view was shaped by that moment.
As he says...music has intrinsic meaning, and language also has a melody....so we have the convergence of Jung's melody and Mozart's implied meaning resulting in a moment of life-altering insight into himself. In that moment he felt...he was in paradise, in heaven.
His concentration, meditation, on the canvas, made the world fall back, allowing his inner self to come forth and express itself as image on a canvas.

"Sky opening up"...his inner repressed persona coming out.
He was in the presence of "god", or his secret, yet to be discovered, repressed Self.
Then it departed, slowly...sorrowfully, for the character to shut it down, inside.
We see his coming-out, now, when he exposes that inner personae once more, for public scrutiny.
It is now forever connected with the Christian dogma.

28:35 - I have been practicing his advice ever since I can remember myself - a routine, organized, stringent in following my own rules of conduct; when to go to bed, when to get up, what time to read, what time to go for a walk, to shop etc.
Makes me a wet-blanket to the spontaneous.
Not a fan of externally imposed rules, making me a bad worker, and one who does not like routines, schedules imposed upon me - affecting my social success and my popularity.
Creating habits you can remain loyal to as long as you can, is good advice.
Hold yourself accountable to your own schedule - conscientious.  
My creativity is based on openness, even if I am in other ways very private and esoteric, preferring long periods of isolation. I've had to contain myself because of the cost that comes with exposing undesirable opinions, to all kinds of psychotics.
I've been a 'jack-of-all-trades, master of none' for all my life.
Over time my shared energies have accumulated to regional power. But this necessitated years of being inferior in all areas, because you are spread out, covering a breadth of time/space.
Be patient, endure...know that in time your endurance will pay-off.

34:10 - A very Christian analysis.
Female, as agency of nature is order/chaos.
Male, as challenger of status quo, has to dominate but also embrace what he is - challenge chaos and embrace order.
What man fear and despises about female is her chaos, because ti represents that part of nature which he must overcome, or dominate - order.
Females wants to deal with their internal chaos, finding in man an idealized form of order, which always fails to satisfy her, because ti is always incomplete, imperfect - not absolute.
Female always endures, settles for the best she can find.
Male/Female, as reproductive, specialized, biological types, only make sense in relation to cosmological processes, like order and chaos.
Female wants to deal with her chaotic side by becoming, for man, a means for bringing about a higher form of order.  
Male, seeing chaos in female, wants to subjugate and control it, make it a means towards his end.

39:50 - He is not arrogant?
An non-arrogant mind would not speak in public. He thinks he has something to say worth listening to - this is arrogance.
His Abrahamic spirit, meme, prevents him from admitting this.
"Existential terror" = humility before the unknown.
How revealing that he chose Superman to identify with.
A 'hero" invented by two Jews to mock Hitler's overman delusions, then manufactured into the idea(l) Modern...as a man of exceptional power who, nevertheless, represses it, or directs it to a common good - Marxism, Abrahamism.
He is Abrahamic to the core. Despite claiming an IQ of 150, he dedicated his time to enlightening those with mediocre IQ.
He emerged only after his Abrahamism had reached a point of obvious degradation...and only to preach a traditionalism that returns us back, only as far as Christianity.
It is only the intrinsic "logic" of Abrahamism manifests as cultural madness, as meme totally disconnected from reality, does he appear to save the day - like Superman...to save the weakling, the poor victim of injustice.  
his exceptional hyper-human intellect, in the service of the lowly.
It helps that his voice has that crackling quality of one near tears, barely containing his emotions.
It makes his message for engaging to an audience who wants to see genuine weakness in those it is intimidated by.

58:30 - Linguistic thinkers are rarely mathematically inclined.
Math is a different kind of language.
Statistics are prejudices based on biology, warped by mind in the way it asks a question and whether or not it asks it.

1:10:00 - Peterson gives us the idol of a "good person" who "wins the debate" by being a "good person".
A contradiction of lived life.

1:19:00 - Peterson is averse to how Gender has been used, not to its possible utility in explaining performance and defining identities.
Reproductive specialization, incorporated into social conventions is a place he does not want to go, despite his critique of the transgender types, which is based on sexual dimorphism.



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:01 pm

Insight into human nature, human psychology, is for a philosopher what realism is for a artist.
He proves his talent, his insight, in providing insights into humanity, the most intimate part of existence, so that all can appreciate it, and acknowledge his talent, before he proceeds to offer insights into abstractions the common mind cannot fully appreciate...jut as an artist, if he is to be respected, first begins by representing, in his art, the mundane, the real, so that even a commoner can appreciate and acknowledge it as precise and insightful and talented, before he starts creating abstraction into metaphysical conceptions.
Otherwise, an ape splashing paint on a canvas, or his own feces on a pedestal and then arranging it with his primate fingers, will also be considered insightful and artistic.

One has to prove that he can see reality, before he proceeds to express what he sees on a level the average eye cannot see.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:30 pm

what a drug user is admitting, whether he knows it or not, is that he is unable to tolerate world without the help of some mind altering agent.
He is admitting that he, or she cannot find beauty and a reason to exist, a reason to continue enduring what is negative about existence, without external help.

It is usually in times of decay, when all becomes a matter of pleasuring self, and self-deceit, when the individual is protected from the worse of what life can throw at him, that such practices become wide-spread.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:33 am

The US is a country, trying to become a nation, built by the victims of social and natural inequalities.
Prospectors, gamblers, lost souls, desperate families, converged to start over, to begin anew.
The concept of tabula rasa is central to the American psyche - cleansing of sins, of shame, of guilt, of the past, and be reborn as anything you want.
"If you got the money, honey, we've got your disease..." as the song says.
It's power depends on exploiting and creating victims - by using, applying, victimization, by manipulating victim psychology.

Look at its internal psychosis: one of the most spoiled generation in any country, in history, is feeling a victim of sexual and racial bullying.
The US itself, the most powerful military country in the history of mankind and how does it justify itself, but as a victim of hate, and envy?
Its enemies hate the US, and why do they hate it?
Because they are jealous, they envy its prosperity - code for happiness.
Everything is explained emotionally. Thinking stops when we find the appropriate emotion to make it seem reasonable.
Like the hedonist stops at pleasure and goes no further, a narcissist stops at envy and goes no further.
Love, hate, envy.
It explains it all to victims in their victim psychology.

Look at what is coming out of Hollywood, the propaganda industry of victims and victimization.
A movie on the holocaust, every one or two years.
Because there is only one people that were ever victimized, or who are the eternal representatives of victims and victimization in the history of making.
Protestants victims of Norse aggression, and then of Catholic authoritarianism, join with the chosen, by god, to be mankind's victim - the only ones who suffer, or have suffered, or whose suffering matters, is profound, is innocent.
Has anyone ever gone deeper to explain why the Jews are hated, or do we stop at the emotion of hate, and explain it as a product of envy?
Only recently has Hollywood found another holocaust to exploit for victim trauma - the Armenian holocaust.
Only because relationships with the Turks are being affected by America's redefinition of allies, in the New World Order.
But are they not purposefully ignoring the largest, based on percentage of killed and uprooted, holocaust ever perpetuated, because they perpetuated it?
Were they not, also, the only country to have used weapons of mass destruction?
The victim of bullying cannot be a bully.
Only Nazis are aggressors, not the Marxists, part of the Antifa movement.
Being a victim has its advantages.
More people killed by Stalin than by Hitler, but Hitler is the representation of evil, of the bully, because he victimized the only victims that matter, whereas Stalin had them in his politburo.  

No movie screenplays about the plight of the Native Americans...no stories of human majesty in the face of death and extinction?
No, because they were un-Christianized savages...in other words not part of the only victims culture known to man: Abrahamism (Judaism = Christianity/Islam), and then Marxism, Humanism, Transhumanism.

The United State economy is an economy running on victim psychology.
The only way to heal such trauma is by consuming, by purchasing pretty, luxurious things and immersing your wounds in a sea of pleasure and flesh; by being cocooned in popularity, in love and adoration, in popularity.
What can correct the injustices of nature, but fine garments, bling-bling, and expensive cribs and rides? Money can heal all wounds, superficially.
All that wealth and power and being envied by other people, and the US is still one of the unhappiest countries in the western world.
It keeps the capital flowing. Borrowing from the future to correct the past, manifested as presence.
An empire now building its victim power base on usury - debt slaves, to replace African slaves, as the forever wronged.
Sell extraordinary dreams, and lend money to those who are governed by immediate gratification - the desperate, the superficial, in other words, the most needy.
Then bind them for eternity with debt.
Slaves of time - Slaves to time.    
And it, the US, leads the way with its good example.
Because the wounds cannot be covered for long, and one must turn to other means to find salvation from earthly suffering.
How can one maintain a level of luxury to be envied, and by being envied explain why others hate you?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:45 am

They now rename God, intent, value, will, love, self, or any word associated with organic life and call themselves atheists, or pagans who have literally transferred consciousness into natural processes because they cannot tolerate an existence where there is no plan, no motive, no telos, by any other name.
No intent to justify their need/suffering.
No reasonable entity to reason with.  

Pagans did not literally believe nature was populated by anthropomorphic consciousness, except for the simpletons who need simple answers to their simple questions.
They used what they understood to represent what they did not understand, and at first their gods were simply their own dead, worshiped and called upon for help.
A call to their ancestors in them, participating in what they could not understand as genes, as memories encoded as DNA.
The sophisticated ones did not literally believe Zeus was a male entity hurtling thunderbolts.
They converted electromagnetism to a form they could relate to.  

They deal with the paradoxes and ambiguities they depend upon, the convenient confusion, by medicating themselves, or by playing mind games using symbols/words.
They consider themselves "enlightened", progressive, when all they've done is replace one term with another, allowing the same concept to be insinuated into existence...in their mind.

How, what we call 'consciousness', emerges from unconscious processes is mystifying, but not impossible to imagine if we define what we mean by consciousness and realize that no plan, no universal motive is required to explain its emergence.
How we experience consciousness prevents us from appreciating how it could emerge from unconscious processes, because consciousness depends no its own prejudices, its own a priori presuppositions.
Using artistic, metaphorical methods to deal with this is only partly successful.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:01 pm

Artificial intelligence
Technology is the externalization of esoteric processes as the organism becomes aware of them and understands them - based on its self-awareness (Know Thyself).
To the extent that the organism understands how it is thinking and what intelligence and consciousness is, he can translate this interpretation, back into code - mathematics.

An artificial consciousness would lack man's genetic memories, expressed in subtle but distinct ways.
DNA affects the organism, sometimes lying dormant for years until being triggered.
This would not be easy to duplicate, even if man wanted to attempt to create an artificial consciousness with its potential for neurosis and psychosis.
A robot would be a superficial mind, lacking this depth of past, stored as genetic code.

A further restriction would be processing speed, and how it can be replicated given current technologies.
Without miniaturization of circuitry the complexity that has evolved cannot be externalized effectively, but this does not mean that such technologies will not develop at some time in the future.
At that time consciousness as current humans understand it, would be replicated, but it would only reflect man's understanding of consciousness and nothing more.
Any inadequacies or imperfections would be the result of man's misunderstanding of himself, transferred to an external machine.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:21 pm

Panpsychism and Spinozean Deus is a back door back into monotheism.
It is the adaptation of Abrahamism to changing circumstances.

All is love...all is aware....all is conscious...all is God.

Insert your own positive concept, represented by a positive word, and imply universal life-non-life tautology.
In paganism the gods were representations of nature, or of order, and they were defined as fallible, not omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, implying that order was accompanied by chaos - not complexity, but randomness, the antithesis of order.
Men struggled as did the gods, against each other, and against chaos.

Abrahamism, affected by Zoroastrianism, adopted the Monotheistic absolute model, to overturn a world void of absolutes, and then mixed it with the worship of death, by the Egyptians.
Armageddon and the coming of their litrotis {λυτρωτής} Messiah, was their hope.
There was no love of nature, of life.
There was miserable coping.
There was overturning of concepts - inversion of nihilism.
A slave's dream: salve shall be master, and master shall be slave.
Humility is pride.
Misery is joy.
Noumenon is phenomenon.
Ideal is real.
Death is life.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:33 pm

New Age enlightened moderns believe they are surrounded by consciousness.
It's the only way they can tolerate existence.
But few can hear the voices in their heads, as certified schizophrenics can.
They deal with their inadequacy by helping their mind splinter, with chemical joy....to finally hear the universal mind whispering to them.
To finally be inebriated enough to feel a divine presence.

It's the only way they can justify their suffering.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:28 pm

The absurdity of co-dependence inter-subjectivity can reach an extreme among the lost, modern, types, suffering form father issues, which I've analyzed elsewhere.
How it expresses itself practically is with an addiction to proxies, or mediating ‘authority figures’, priest, icons, idols, experts etc.
Such minds are thoroughly feminized.
Not emasculated but men-children or boys that never went through the rituals of overcome the father figure.
Such men-children, as I call them, cannot believe in anything, cannot consider anything, any hypothesis, theory rationally, seriously, unemotionally unless the idol, the authority, gives them permission to do so.
The extreme of absurdity is when they deny their own senses if there is no idol, or if the idol they are attached to contradicts what is apparent.
They will deny their own senses until the icon/idol gives them permission to take their own senses seriously.
With the gradual disenchantment with the Abrahamic god, many such minds, addicted to such proxies, were left on their own.
'Freedom is terrifying to the slave', to add to Sartre's comment on freedom.
A mind retarded in its development will find the absence of an external authority, consciousness, terrifying, and will quickly attach itself to the first alternative that comes along.

It's a fact that explains Abrahamic and then Marxist personality worshiping, and/or idol worshiping.
In Modern systems it takes the form of idolizing the famous, or spiritual gurus.
The most obvious fact, about sex and race for example, can be rationalized, proven to them, and they will refuse to accept it, unless the 'master' tells him to.
Then he, or she, will accept it as if it were the most self-evident fact, and as if he, or she, had always believed so.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:48 pm

I don't have to fight the moron, this is true.
I can let time and nature do it the work for me.
But, it is fun fighting, and more so it is fun fighting morons, and the last, most crucial point has to do with the speed to which mind affects, in comparison to nature.
Nature is slow...mind is quick.
A lot of damage can be done before the slow, process, of natural processes re-balance, and extinguish these un-balancing dis-eases.

I think of myself as nature's agent.
Her male lover, fighting off degenerates, and other competitors.
She is mine and I am hers, but I must prove myself worthy of her, and I shall, or I shall die trying.     

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:41 pm

With no external standard, no cost, independent from personal interpretations, and expectoration, what is to stop a mind from going straight into insanity and then remaining there, confident nothing, severe, will come of it?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:30 pm


A child is born, belonging to the species homo sapient, with particular genetic predispositions, tastes, proclivities for value judgments, in accordance to a method of trial and error that has established them as successful, as effective, as sufficient.

It is then raised within a cultural environment, a meme, that can enhance or direct or contradict these genetic predispositions.
This only applies for the human species, because other species have no memes, and may be trained to react to human memes, or to adapt to environments produced by them, but have none of their own.
They simply follow their genetic programming.

Only for the human species, and perhaps some far-off alien species, do memes intrude upon genetic dispositions to add, subtract, multiply or divide them, sometimes turning them against, as in the case of nihilistic memes.
The child is torn. It is trained, within memetic contexts, to suppress, divert, sublimate its genetic dispositions, to accommodate the memetic ideals, to one degree or another.
The method used to implant the meme within the brain evolved genetically is via symbols/words, the child must first learn to decipher, connect to meanings, to images, to emotions, sensations etc.
The degree the meme is contrary to the evolved genetic dispositions determines the degree of its self-suppression, and stress, and confusion.
With nihilistic memes this can reach an extreme, of total self-denial, or perplexity that then seeks solutions in the supernatural, the beyond, the unreal, surreal etc.
With more harmonious, in-tune with genetic memes, such as pagan memes, this can take the form of cultivation, self-control, exercise (askesis), for the sake of a greater goal - a shared ideal, such as community harmony and stability or a preservation of shared traditions for the sake of future generations etc.

With Nihilism askesis becomes asceticism, in the Abrahamic sense, of self-denial, rejection of the very idea of self, for the self-serving motive of self-flattery, escape from an unflattering and determining past, hedonism, escape into self-numbing, masturbation, narcissism, solipsism etc.
For the sake, in other words, of coping with a world that is unbearable to them, and inescapable by them.  

over time, the child grows accumulating memetic practices, in response to challenges to its stability - it invests in the meme, at the expense of the gene, when it comes to nihilism.  
It habituates itself with self-denial, and finds in the escape a relief, a comfort, because it is protected, by some institution, from the price of such detachments.  
It begins to worship the institution that offers it this service, and becomes a passionate defender of it, and its protections.
As time goes by, it senses that ti can no longer live beyond the meme, and the institution that protect him/her from the meme's effects, within a world that is indifferent to them....whereas a genetically based meme, being the product of natural selection, would have no great issues with the world's indifference, because the gene, and the meme that is no more than an extension of it, is the product of it.
 

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 pm

He who has yet to overcome authority, cowering before it, below it, in memory, is the one who dreams of surpassing it by becoming it's image, its duplicate, to dominate others as he or she was and still is.
He who cannot challenge authority, can only rebel against it when a new one gives him, or her, permission.

Authority is what a child loves and a slave worships.
Authority is what a woman lust for.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:24 pm

Stress is the mental equivalent of physical need/suffering.
(Inter)Action produces friction, as no pattern is perfectly harmonious with another, as this would be a contradiction of the patterns involved.
Attrition is the force of repulsion, equivalent to the degree of disharmony between patterns.

Through this process of stress/suffering, attrition, two or more patterns find a stable equilibrium, ridding themselves of excess repulsion, resulting in more complex, stable, unities.
Attrition can also prevent unification altogether, pushing apart, or break apart, congruities that cannot be harmonized. In such a case the weaker is expelled or reduced to a lower level aggregate, part of it reducing their pattern rhythms and changing in essence, but also producing non-patterned energies, adding to cosmic entropy and chaos/randomness, which is experienced as linear time, and expansion of space.
The stronger congruity, or the one with the higher aggregate energy, is also diminished to a degree equal to the difference of aggregate energies in relation to the weaker congruity.

Every interaction adds to chaos (randomness), and to complexity (possibility), and reduces probability (patterned energy/matter).

This is the meaning of the term :"No pain, no gain", or why evolution is an adaptation produced by stress, whereas comfort produces atrophy or stagnation.
This is why we have species, and this is what explains the difference between human races.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:10 pm

Tolerance is not submission, is not surrender.

I tolerate gravity because I am strong enough to endure it, on this planet.
I tolerate dis-ease, though I fight it, because ti culls weakness out of the gene pool - it has a usage.
I do not give-in to it.
I do not intentionally make myself ill.
I do not allow my loved ones to be infected by it, or to perish by it.
I preempt by increasing health, by strengthening the autoimmune system, by developing strategies and chemicals and diets to prevent the virus from infecting me.
The virus is present....even when I feel healthy.
I feel healthy because my autoimmune system, my strength suffices to not make it infect and suffer the consequences of its dominance.

The body is constantly fighting viruses, bacteria, parasites.
We call it a dis-ease when the parasite, virus, begins to affect our internal cohesion, when it begins to strain our power to combat it, feeling this strain as illness, as infection, suffering symptoms.
If we survive the virus we become immune to it - at least to that variant.
But the virus is also changed by the fight - it morphs, becoming stronger.

I do not hate the parasite, I do not despise it with a passion, unless I am gripped in the midst of a battle I am straining to endure - I am stressed by the virus, the parasite, the dis-ease.
I hate it when i feel vulnerable to it.

Otherwise I study it, to fight it off effectively, to become indifferent to it.

How do I lift a weight, a large mass?
Do I tolerate it?
Do I surrender to it?
No...i use it to train myself, to habituate myself to its mass, to build muscle by ripping the membranes.....to become stronger.
Then the same mass feels like nothing.
Do I hate the mass?
Only if I fear it can crush me. But emotion cannot help me...but only provide passion, commitment, energizing me so that i can coolly and rationally study the problem of the mass, and how to deal with it.
Do I dream of a mass-less world ...a world with no gravity, to aid me in my attempts to lift the mass?
Will hating gravity help me, or is it also a Utopian ideal, of a perfect world where there is no threat, no virus, no gravity to trouble me?

Do I hate the leper?
Do I despise the one who purposefully, intentionally, makes himself ill, to garner sympathy, to invert his powerlessness, his insecurity, into a power, over others?
No.
I make myself immune to his pity please, his manipulation of my sympathies...because empathy is not sympathy.

The victim uses victimhood to pretend he isn't one - to become powerful through being weak.
This is Nihilism.
This is Abrahamism.

It can only affect, infect, seduce those already prone to such ploys...to the ones who are looking for an easy way to convert their feebleness into a fantastic pretend power...to escape their inferiority, their sense of weakness and powerlessness...to escape mortality, the human condition and their lot in life.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:50 pm

There are many ways to deal with mental and/or physical dis-ease.
Feeding into the fevered psychosis isn't one of them.

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