The Universe.

My opinion hasn't changed. The destrucion of all life in the universe.

Now I know what you're saying, youve invested your chips, you've spent thousands of years playing this game to get to your evolved state.

What I am saying is you didn't even choose to play the game, your stuck in a poker game and youve got the "everything or nothing" mentality. Youve invested because you had no choice to. Youre evolved because you had no choice to. Youre alive because you had no choice to.

Now I aint no stinkin nihilist, I believe things have value and that pleasure is real. That is exactly why the universe must or at least have the option to go. I see a possible future that's retarded and boring.

What Im saying is there should at least be a button to destroy all life in the universe. We need not press it now, but in case things go supersouth in the future, like some orwellian faggotry fuckfest.

Questions

- How much will it costs
- Are chimps really that good at destroying things
- What if there are other universes
- What if life goes on and it doesnt obliterate the soulular aether
- Am I insane
- What if this is some stupid VR game I built myself, that would make me God correct? An object cannot view itself so I made the VR construct to view my shitty construction in HD poopyness

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

- Am I insane

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Wouldn't pressing a button be a boring way to end it all? At least try to get your hands dirty.

Why does Trixie hate herself and the world that made her possible, so much?

This is a stage of intellectual development I'm currently attempting to overcome - you've been disillusioned with the ideal, modern, humanitarian bullshit and are beginning to learn about the nature (extending to human nature), as it is, not how some would want it to be. And compared to the ideal, it is cruel, discriminating, uncaring, apathetic to individual desires and needs... what you'd call "evil" in Judeo-Christian terminology.

To accept nature and life as it is, with no bullshit attached to it, takes immense courage, intellectual honesty, and independence of thought in the modern world of systematic memetic insemination. I'm struggling to digest the truth myself.

Satyr has made a video on this topic, about the underlying reasons behind the desire to destroy all life (failure, inability to emotionally cope with it etc.), I can PM it to you if you want.

"you didn't even choose to play the game, your stuck in a poker game and youve got the "everything or nothing" mentality. Youve invested because you had no choice to. Youre evolved because you had no choice to. Youre alive because you had no choice to."

So what? I'm here (no matter how or why), and 'here' is, apparently, all I have to work with. Not seein' how any profit can come from kvetchin' about the shabbiness of it.

Make do with what you got.

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"there should at least be a button to destroy all life in the universe"

If there is one, I want 'you' as far away from it as possible.

You know, if 'living' is so damned tedious for you, you can exit the stage alone. There's no need to drag the rest of us into oblivion with you.

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"At least try to get your hands dirty."

HA!

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"Why does Trixie hate herself and the world that made her possible, so much?"

*Mebbe a profound disappointment with the way things 'are' rooted in an unrealistic pining for things as they 'should be' (as Tricks reckons)?









*or, mebbe, Tricks is just makin' with the 'tricks'

Arbiter of Change wrote:

This is a stage of intellectual development I'm currently attempting to overcome - you've been disillusioned with the ideal, modern, humanitarian bullshit and are beginning to learn about the nature (extending to human nature), as it is, not how some would want it to be. And compared to the ideal, it is cruel, discriminating, uncaring, apathetic to individual desires and needs... what you'd call "evil" in Judeo-Christian terminology.

To accept nature and life as it is, with no bullshit attached to it, takes immense courage, intellectual honesty, and independence of thought in the modern world of systematic memetic insemination. I'm struggling to digest the truth myself.

Satyr has made a video on this topic, about the underlying reasons behind the desire to destroy all life (failure, inability to emotionally cope with it etc.), I can PM it to you if you want.

Sure I'd like to see it.

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You know, if 'living' is so damned tedious for you, you can exit the stage alone. There's no need to drag the rest of us into oblivion with you.

That's just it. There's no exit, no end. Or at least that's the gist I get from the general consensus. If we've had thousands of past lives to get where we are now, why would one measly death be an exit to the long chain?

It's not so much that I hate this particular life, it's that the only possible way out is to have faith in Buddhist mystism. Ending the universe is actually a selfless act, unrelated to me. I feel that others should be allieviated from their burdens.

Look at it this way, (this is a paradox but) If you had the choice, why would any sane person choose to exist, rather than not exist? In fact, when you look at hedonistic endevours, they are pleasurable, because thy put you in a state approaching non-existence, muted consciousness. Work "flow", the same thing, a certain state of mindlessness.

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

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You know, if 'living' is so damned tedious for you, you can exit the stage alone. There's no need to drag the rest of us into oblivion with you.

It's not so much that I hate this particular life, it's that the only possible way out is to have faith in Buddhist mystism. Ending the universe is actually a selfless act, unrelated to me. I feel that others should be allieviated from their burdens.
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Killing a man that acts in a way that shows he does not want to live? Therefore, killing all nihilists & hedonists in the universe is actually compassion? But what about those who actually try to live the good life, in this mess. Like many on this forum, for example - it would be totally unneccessary to kill them.

Besides, does not degenerate society/civilisation come and go? Erasing a possiblity for an ordered future would be a waste.

I would choose to exist every single time...

I, means nothing without me exiting.
I would choose to be me, every single, fuckin' time.

I choose every circumstance, every past, that made me possible.

If others hate themselves they can easily opt out....that they want to convince everyone to opt out is part of their resentment, their cowardice...the thought of others enjoying what they cannot, is what they despise most of all.

Anyone who has associated himself/herself with this bullshit idea of humanity, and now hates himself/herself in relation to others, because (s)he cannot appreciate self outside this bullshit ideal, is one who deserves to opt out...immediately.
Anyone who cannot associate with those of his/her own kind, but considers self as this reproductive shallow shell of flesh, should opt out..and I urge them to do so.

It produces more space.

The issue here is identification.
Are you identifying with sex, reproductive roles (humanity), or do you deny these and are a complete life hater, detached from yourself because it feels good, or do you identify with an ideal, a life-affirming ideal that includes reproduction but does not limit itself to it, nor does it identify with pleasure with no intent, infinite masturbation, waiting for death?

This shift in consciousness means not a change, but a refinement....a sharpening of discrimination.

"If we've had thousands of past lives to get where we are now, why would one measly death be an exit to the long chain?"

Well, insofar as I'm aware: I've got one life, with a beginning, middle and end.

Not seein' evidence of reincarnation or re-iteration.

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"I feel that others should be allieviated from their burdens."

HA!

Mebbe you could just leave the rest of us to our miseries and attend to yours?

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"If you had the choice, why would any sane person choose to exist, rather than not exist?"

I like living...I like the whole messy, organic, fiasco...I like being in the world...I like wrestling it and winning or losing...I like being.

But: some people don't...I get that.

Again: exit the stage.

At best: you're ended.

At worst: you re-iterate.

Either way: you'll be finished with 'this' (the here and now).

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Am I insane?

I don't know. That's something some of us ask ourselves everyday when nothing seems to equalize, but it's an encouraging hope in uncertainty which acts to move onward, maybe one day fly above all of it, giving downward.

My guess, Satyr, is that you love life because you are a made man, at the top of the food chain, so to speak. If, say, you had a life like Job, a life of famine, no friends, no romance, you'd surely not wish to continue the cacophony of life.

That's just it, my original thought game was this: If you had the choice, would you choose to exist?

Well Satyr, you don't have the benefit of hindsight. There's no way of knowing, at birth, what your circumstances would be. Let's say you had to pick a continent...Africa for instance. Surely you wouldn't choose to be born, if you had a future life there. The possibility of getting to the top would surely be weighted against your favor.

That's exactly what this is about. Odds. 99 percent of the universe is inhospitible to life. With those odds, who in their right mind would choose the cacophony?

The mind is it's worst enemy, and best friend. I wouldn't say the JudeoChristians define Nature as evil, even though the majority of Nature is inhospitable to life. It is the mind that transforms itself to accomodate the enormous rush of Nature, though not fully so, adding some degree of seperation between itself and the external rush. JudeoChristians view minds who wish to interfere with other mind's process of this, as "evil".

Also, if you don't believe in recurrence, if you dont believe youve experienced past lives, then why so clingy to this one? It's practically over as we speak.

Psychotropics: sometimes they can confer remediation of incipient trauma. Or going out into the wildnerness with yourself only.

I tried making a pact with the Sun and Stars as a totality once. It hasn't worked yet.

It's too late for that my dear. There's no going back.

I hear ya. The only thing I look forward to these days are my Dreams, without those, sleep is a waste of time.

Supra-Aryanist wrote:

I hear ya. The only thing I look forward to these days are my Dreams, without those, sleep is a waste of time.

Im mostly the same way, there a few novelties i enjoy every once and a while. Mostly I have a need to build, to create, but it is rarely fruitful. That includes procreation.

Well I watched the video.

For me, it's not about destroying the World. It's about obliterating the universe.

It's not about vengeance, it's a mission of mercy. For me, vengeance would be something along the lines of destroying the earth or hurting people or something of that nature.

What Im saying is obliterating the entire essence of all existence. I would say that existence itself is a form of suffering, as such, obliterating the universe would be an act of mercy.

The question is, how and when should it be done?

The button need not be pressed right this instance, say if people want to finish their sexual quests or shits and giggles, I can respectfully wait till theyve cherished their novelties, explored the secrets this world has to offer.

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

What Im saying is obliterating the entire essence of all existence. I would say that existence itself is a form of suffering, as such, obliterating the universe would be an act of mercy.

Mercy for whom?

Keep clingin on to the fabric of reality. One day you'll see as I do. And that day you'll be the one to push the button, not me.

Destroying the universe has nothing to do with nuclear warfare. What are stars but a continuous series of fusions and fissions? This has nothing to do with planet Earth, one must devise ways outside of the "box" to prevent the sprouting of all potential lifeforms throughout all unknown universes.

It has everything to do with Earth, neo-nihilist. ))
Where's your starting point?

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

Keep clingin on to the fabric of reality. One day you'll see as I do. And that day you'll be the one to push the button, not me.

You want someone to push your button?

"...if you don't believe in recurrence, if you dont believe youve experienced past lives, then why so clingy to this one? It's practically over as we speak."

The answer is embedded in the question: I cling to this one ('self'ishly) cuz this is the only one 'I' have, will ever have.

Not keen on givin' it up.

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"...obliterating the universe would be an act of mercy."

What an arrogant thing you are. No friggin' better than any common buttinsky communitarian.

If you want 'out' then go and quit bellyachin'.

Supra-Aryanist wrote:

It has everything to do with Earth, neo-nihilist. ))
Where's your starting point?

Earth would have to be the ending point, dear. You don't self-destruct HQ at the beginning, otherwise you lose your command center.

quirck wrote:

The answer is embedded in the question: I cling to this one ('self'ishly) cuz this is the only one 'I' have, will ever have.

I as in your current personality? OR I as in the stream of consciousness you belong to.

quirck wrote:

What an arrogant thing you are. No friggin' better than any common buttinsky communitarian.

Don't be so naive. Often children say they want things that aren't really to their benefit. Such is life.

The majority of people's lives are filled with boredom, and it is a desperate struggle (especially for the humans) to find ways to avoid the natural boredom of life. Most say they enjoy life because a small fraction of the time they are in pleasure.

The nature of the brain has evolved to simply reject thoughts that would deny it existence. Naturally I would expect a harsh reaction, after all, brains who did not wish to continue the cacophony would be less likely to be in your DNA.

"I as in your current personality? OR I as in the stream of consciousness you belong to."

'I' as a particular and peculiar, self-reflecting, -directing, organic event (that calls himself Henry Quirk).

What do you mean by 'stream of consciousness'?

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"Often children say they want things that aren't really to their benefit."

Are you a child?

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

I would say that existence itself is a form of suffering, as such, obliterating the universe would be an act of mercy.

Yes, to exist and be conscious of it, is to experience this existence, this (inter)activity (flux), as stress upon your self-organizing; as need/suffering.
And?

Strength is a measure of how much of this stress you can endure.
If your aggregate energies suffice to meet the demands of self-maintenance with ease, then this state is called: well-being, or comfort...if they are not then you are in a state of stress, of pain, of desperate need.

Two types of need - Assimilating (primary needs), and expelling (secondary).
The first are a product of lack (self-maintenance), the second are a product of excess, due to the first (self-cleansing, self-expanding).  
The second is the by-product of the first, and the first is a product of world.

To wish for the elimination of need/suffering is to wish either for the elimination of existence, or for the numbing of the experience of existing so that one does not sense need/suffering.
The Hellenic alternative is to slowly increase your strength (durability, constitution) by using asceticism....thusly shifting upwards the level of stress you can experience before you feel its discomfort....thusly increasing your comfort levels.

You, from the looks of things, opt for the Judeo-Christian ascetic method: escape (self-denial), and self-numbing.

The opposite would be sheltering, self-referential escapism, where atrophy makes sure that no possibility of enduring any level of contact with the world, outside the protective environment, remains...making you completely dependent on others - starting the process of Nihilistic co-dependence.

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

The question is, how and when should it be done?

That you think that something should be done, places you in the camp of Nihilists.
Something ought to be done about the world, existence, and not yourself in relation to it.

You choose the absurdity of destroying the universe, rather than working on yourself to be able to deal with the universe as much as this is possible.
And if the task seems daunting, to you, you would rather not allow anyone the opportunity to do so...which is another symptom of Nihilism.

You can slap whatever label on it 'ya want, I'm just posting the most logical cure. When you play a game, do you adapt yourself to play the broken, boring game or do you just pop open another game?

You propose adapting yourself to fit Nature, that's what everyone's been doing all along (though a poor job of it.) I suppose I should give you a fair shot though, if your species can upgrade it's DNA to enjoy and thrive in life...

There's no need to stress. Like I said the Earth is the ending point. You'll know when your time comes, since it's last on the list...by mathematical necessity.

Schizophrenia?

SweetNightmare wrote:

Schizophrenia?

Hmm? Most everyone has that thing dear, are you referring to one of my account names I use to irritate heifers? (for the giggles?)