Alt-Right

I saw that, now they're the white nationalist terrorists that are going to be very useful to the establishment.

I don't know how they could have avoided it though, other than by not turning up. The whole thing had the air of a trap what with the police dispersing the rally despite them getting a permit and such.

This is what they are defending:

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From the perspective of the far-right anything that is left of it is left, even if it may fall for a leftist on the right side of the spectrum.


Reality as the standard, the middle, is the point of reference....to the ideological fascist, anything describing reality is to his left, and to the Marxist reality is to the right of his idealism, and anyone who described reality, as it is belongs to the right side of the political spectrum.
This is the Nihilistic paradigm - the either/or, or binary logic.
Good/Bad.
Describing how nature works is a description of what is neither good or bad, for an objective mind, that has excluded his/her own self-interests from the analysis.
Such a description would be on the left to the rightist ideologue, and to the right for the leftist ideologue, if their ideals are detached from reality and veer towards a surreal, or a noetic ideal, gradually becoming indifferent to reality as it proceeds towards the extreme - the noetic, the theory.

Nature is of balance.
It abhors a vacuum, but it also resist the imposition of absolutes - paradoxes being the symptom of imposing noetic absolutes and then interpreting them literally - left.
Absolutes are contradicted when they are fabricated in the mind and projected as existing outside of it - right.

Both left/right believe in absolute states that only exist in their minds - theoretical, noetic.
Anything contradicting them, as in nature, is considered a threat, belonging to the other pole, the other extreme.

Mathematically these polar, dualities, are conceptualized as absolute ONE, and absolute NIL.
Left using absolute NIL to destroy all patterns, all order, which it considers a threat to its void worship.
Right using absolute ONE to destroy all hints of nullification, which it considers a threat to its contrived order, its singular probability that erases or absorbs all possibilities, encompassing them into its ambiguity.

Reality, as worshiped by Pagans, lies beyond this polarity.
One/Nil are representations, artistic, symbols, referring to fluid states, or patterned and non-patterned energies = order/complexity, random/chaos.
This naturalistic world-view is a relationship of mind with body, and mind/body (organism) with world as flux, interactivity.
It lies beyond the binary logic, dualism, of Nihilistic one/nil paradigms.

It is a nil, to them both, because it contradicts both simultaneously.
From their perspective Realism, Naturalism, Paganism, is a negative theory.
For a leftist, it is to the right....and to the rightist it is to the left, because both cannot conceptualize anything outside their shared paradigm.
Unable to overcome their simple method of on/off neurology, they cannot think beyond absolutes...so all abstractions are placed within their comfort zone, the paradigm that they are conceptually trapped within.
The idea that their thoughts are not literal, but representational, is too much for them to absorb, or too threatening for them to accept.
The idea that their abstractions, their noumena, and the symbols/words they use to represent them, do not exist outside their mind, is too perplexing and stressful.
They cannot make that cognitive leap from 3rd level cognition to 4th and then 5th.

The idea that their words/symbols are connections of mind to body, and of mind/body (organism) to world, and nothing more...and that when the symbol/word is detached or taken away form this role that it becomes meaningless, or emotionally attached, referring only to emotions, sensations, abstractions in their own minds, or the minds of another, is too complex or disconcerting for them to consider.

"You really want another day like saturday don't you?"
Things are not looking good over there.

Culture is too infected by the dis-ease.
These extreme attempts to reverse its destructive processes will have to be equal to the accumulated infection.
Like gangrene that has infected the human body.
If not dealt with quickly it spreads and then more severe measures have to be used to save the individual from death - amputation for example.
In this case the memetic virus has entered the core of the host.

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They are revising it further to assimilate it better.

For them, it’s all about embracing their European nationalism, but without that ugly Nazism soiling their progressive liberalistic attitude. Decades and decades of leftist sociopolitical indoctrination and shaming they are simply not strong enough to overcome; like someone's belief in God. The awful past must be shaken off, they must embrace the trendy nihilism and reinvent themselves and their European identities in the framework of multiculturalism which is what is occurring; which is what this 'New right' is.

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The left seem to be pressing extremely hard now. It's like they're completely drunk on their anti-Nazi rage (repeating terms like white nationalism/supremacy ad nauseam... like they're manically pushing the "trigger" button)... I wonder if this is going to be the new trend or if it's just them letting off steam...

The free speech rally in Boston this Saturday is absurdly being framed as a white supremacy gathering... it's totally insane...

Definitely crazy. When weakness is given power it becomes unstable in trying to validate itself because of its deep resentment towards all of existence.  

It's also what happens when a parent, instead of hitting their child when it throws a tantrum and ending it there, not only allows the child to hit them without impunity, but decides to wear an electrified brace around their neck and gives the child the activating switch.

The desperate fixation they have on this notion of "free speech", I've noticed, is an obsession of a kind of vicimhood that both sides share with each other. They are stunted in the defective evolution of mimetic adaptations, and psychologically strapped down by the oppression of out of control liberal Orwellianism that will take everything from them if they utter the wrong sentence in the wrong way, all relating to race of course, because ones ancestral past determines what can be strong and what cant and that is ultimately what they must destroy.

How long will they continue to mace each other in the face and throw water balloons and rocks and release the pressure valve of their self-hating inferior sickly natures before real bullets start to fly and real casualties start to mount, if ever?

Satyr could be right however. The infection is too advanced. But a tide IS rising and our race still has alot more to say long before that cultural cataclysm is endured.

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The left seem to be pressing extremely hard now.  It's like they're completely drunk on their anti-Nazi rage (repeating terms like white nationalism/supremacy ad nauseam... like they're manically pushing the "trigger" button)... I wonder if this is going to be the new trend or if it's just them letting off steam...

The free speech rally in Boston this Saturday is absurdly being framed as a white supremacy gathering... it's totally insane...

I get the feeling that the term racist has lost its magical power over an increasing number of 'conservative' voting Whites because they've used it too much. They are becoming numb to it. This White Supremacist term is now the new booboo word they are beginning to exhaust if they continue like this, same with the N. word. No, not that N. word, the other N. word, lol.

For N.S to become something positive for the feminine it would have to become associated with social things. N.S plus cute animal pictures ftw.
If you are into national security, being social and care for animals then N.S is for you.

Anfang wrote:

For N.S to become something positive for the feminine it would have to become associated with social things. N.S plus cute animal pictures ftw.
If you are into national security, being social and care for animals then N.S is for you.

Animals are a stand-in for what would really be their children, if they were fertile or at all sexy. (Being a feminist working lady that's stressing her ovaries into prunes, isn't sexy) This is partially how race and sex politically are connected. If the populace was fertile and concerned for children, they would be more openly nationalistic. The so-called 'anti-nationalism' of the left, filled with non-whites, is actually their own non-white nationalism fighting the more dominant nationalism - using the 'issues' (a judeo-secularized reifying into principle of 'nationalism') as a cover for what's a basic ethno-nationalist alliance among the minorities.

But I understand that because of the landscape it would be effective; I just don't see any argument for it from an ethno-nationalist perspective, except to engage in a dialectic about how species separation is good for animals. Perhaps no argument would be needed.

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They are revising it further to assimilate it better.

For them, it’s all about embracing their European nationalism, but without that ugly Nazism soiling their progressive liberalistic attitude. Decades and decades of leftist sociopolitical indoctrination and shaming they are simply not strong enough to overcome; like someone's belief in God. The awful past must be shaken off, they must embrace the trendy nihilism and reinvent themselves and their European identities in the framework of multiculturalism which is what is occurring; which is what this 'New right' is.

This is pretty much anti-masculine. Any masculine person knows that proclaiming your own masculinity in some kind of political movement is to admit you're not very masculine at all. It's a desperate attempt to save themselves from the conclusion that they are cuckolds, by racial definition. That is, biologically and genetically unconcerned with their own survival. Hyperindividualized and without any real 'movement' or tribe. Feminized.

This exercise had 2 main effects:
1) Control the content of the internet.
A huge number of sites have been simply disappeared from the internet. Not only that, but their infrastructure, their finance channels, their hosting, their domain names has been suppressed on an international level. The world changed after UTR. The mask came off. It's a major precedent. The 1st amendment no longer applies. The West is now China tier.
This is possible due to the transfer of control out of America's hands into ICANN, which does not guarantee freedom of speech.
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2) Associates Trump with evil Nazis.
The Russian secret agent accusation was going nowhere and it came out right before the rally that the DNC hack was an inside job. No Russians, no collusion, no election fraud. They needed a new narrative to stir the flames of a coup/impeachment. If you compare the coverage of a UTR car accident to a Muslim car-terrorist in Spain, you see clearly (if you didn't before) that the media at this point exists solely to steer the mob in certain directions.

What we see here is that the system uses the Nazi mythology it has constructed over the past 70 years to create hysteria that allows it to retract social freedoms it had previously granted.
There may not be a way to get past this ingrained hysteria without the total collapse of the system itself, or the opening of new frontiers and the effective divergence of the human race. People are too inclined to fear the accusation of bigotry instead of feeling outrage at being attacked, however justly or unjustly.
The rightwing internet movement of the last few years has just seen real life consequences for political dissent and a lot of them are showing they don't have the courage of their convictions. It's one thing to troll on twitter, it's another to have acid thrown at you by "peaceful protesters" and your face on cnn with some jew calling you the reincanation of Hitler.
The one good thing that came of this is that, in the context of our elites, there is now 1 thing that is indisputable:
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The rally was doomed from the start.
The only way they could have avoided this is if they hadn't turned up on the 12th.

apaosha wrote:

The rightwing internet movement of the last few years has just seen real life consequences for political dissent and a lot of them are showing they don't have the courage of their convictions. It's one thing to troll on twitter, it's another to have acid thrown at you by "peaceful protesters" and your face on cnn with some jew calling you the reincanation of Hitler.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a lack of courage as much as a lack of understanding what exactly they face. Many of the men there should have protected their faces to avoid their eventual doxing (which is ironic that antifas do this despite the lack of risk they have in doing so).

At least these events serve as a means towards networking and potentially helping some men find some friends and potential mates.

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So, can't use an ideology that was acted on by others. Can't breathe when suffocating. Can't eat when starving. Can't go to war when fighting. Tribalism is acted on by blacks so we can't be tribalist - we have to be the exact opposite to distinguish ourselves, instead of doing it better. Novelty obsessed children, wanting to concoct cults around them for their special form of ignorance.

What was said in the podcast regarding Poland and its place is in my opinion too simplistic but as an example of the actions that he proposed Americans ought to immitate after us I wont comment since I dont know America that well. The reality is that our nationalism is nothing more than giving ass away to Americans and Israel(the jews make up a large percentage of the nationalistic party in power) and using naive and narcisstic tendencies of a devasteted and shattered nation that insecurely desperately seeks a source of pride that it can't feel through simply living and belonging to it to secure power. We 'stand up' to Russia, with the current government openly claiming on its networks that the president that died in a recent plane crush was an undercover conspiracy job done by the opposition and Putin...to discredit the opposition, to make a president that died because of his own lack of caution into a hero(the statues of him are already put up), to make Russia into the painful Communist enemy of the past etc. in short using every strategy of manipulation that is possible to manipulate the voter base whilst we pay 600percent sometimes for gas etc. than Germany that comes from Russian pipelines and make an enemy to east in the name of our altruistic and loyal American friends whilst debating leaving EU and shoving our elbows to the right too... repeating history, our anglo-saxon brothers promised us, our big egos and deluded politicans what wasnt physically possible so that we could have an illusion of being equal to the nations surrounding us then and now...I've met Greeks in London with complexions of Turks, consumed by materialism and narcissitic displays of proveness verbally and visually that claimed that the current Greece and Greeks are greatest of European peoples clinging onto the connection to the Ancient Greece and claiming that ALL SCIENCES are due to their effort and without them we would have nothing, I've met russians peasants with low IQs remenesicing the greatness of Soviet Era, speaking of liberation like Putin does... not realising their class of people, their descendends were the ones abused and smashed, I've met Poles, adults, that genuinely believe that If it was Poland that had to fight Soviets like Germany did we would somehow be holy and no war crimes or genocides would be commited... the reason I say this is because to me it is unclear if its not the simple limitations of our democratical political systems that cause the men that wish to come to power to sell their nations future and dignity and the future of the whole continent just to stay in the power and have any impact at all or some other processes at work.

He's not the best speaker. Also, Russia is not their friend.

Didn't like his performance when he was interviewed by a black reporter a couple years ago, I think.

He was confronted with the usual challenges to race theory and he did not even have a common sense response to it.
Gave the black reporter fodder.

TARA MCCARTHY DEBACLE

Alt-Right is currently going through a split between: 'Channers', 'NSDAP-Knights' 'W.N. Masculinists' (or anyone less-soft about the role of women), MGTOW, 'white-knights' and 'Alt-Knights'. The result of involvement of a woman in politics. This happened before, with RageAfterStorm. Now it is about Tara McCarthy. Tara McCarthy started complaining about 'alt-right misogynists' or 'disrespectful alt-righters', or that 'alt-righters are not protective enough of me'. Division caused.
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Channers: are accusing McCarthy of being Jewish or crypto-feminist traitor. She's a Jew or a feminist or a lefty and there's no doubt about it - making her complaints invalid and all of the 'Alt-Right' cucks.

NSDAP-Knights: who think she's either Jew/traitor at worst or a misinformed female at best. The 'knight' part comes in by the fact that they don't see it fit to shame her (unless confirmed traitor) - but they feel no sympathy for her either since she should not be involved in politics anyway and she might be a traitor undeserving of sympathy, in their view. They attack Alt-Knights and white knights for validating Jewish-feminist rhetoric of 'independent womyn' and not showing 'tough love' by telling her to take responsibility for her resentment - or not also considering she might be a traitor.

W.N. Masculinists: are open about seeing McCarthy as a lesser woman since she's politically involved and not bearing children. They do care about shaming her. (white sharia, etc.) The internet is a battlefield where trashtalk reigns. They attack Alt-Knights and white knights for validating feminist rhetoric of 'independent womyn'. Alt-Knight is full of pussies and ineffective cucks.

MGTOW: just blame all women and shit on them whenever they can. May or may not be white nationalist (generally not). Say white knights and Alt-Knights are cucking to feminism.
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White knights: are just being white knights (usually from Cuckservative, Alt-Light, etc.) treating Channers, NSDAP-Knights, Masculinists and MGTOW as same group wanting to treat women as 'broodmares' or 'like shit'. Generally not white nationalist. Supports gays. Ambiguous on sex realism and feminism. Wants to lump Channers, NSDAP-Knights and Alt-Knighters with every other group.

Alt-Knights: are like Millennial Woes, who are treating Channers, NSDAP-Knights, Masculinists and MGTOW as same group wanting to treat women as 'broodmares' or 'like shit'. They are openly white nationalist. Sex realist. In fundamental disagreement with feminism or the Communism underlying it. Fine with gays. Doesn't want to be lumped with every other group by white knights.
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I am NSDAP-Knight.

If this is the case then the movement it doomed.


MGTOW has nothing to do with white-nationalism...unless things have changed since i first encountered them a few years ago when they were still MRA's and Barbie and the other dweeb were its representatives.
Barbie is black....claiming that work is wage-slavery making me wonder how the 'playa' earns a living.
I assumed that it's by milking men-children by selling them vengeance and an excuse for their omega-male status.
I think many homosexuals were attracted to the movement as a pool of sexually frustrated males that could only find gratification in other males.
For them, all that matters is that females and males are recognized as being different....but no other genetic difference is accepted because this may fracture the movement.
They are masculinism....or a reflection of feminism from the other side - feminism for males.
They've adopted the same methods and definitions and simply demand equal treatment from the state.

Satyr wrote:

If this is the case then the movement it doomed.


MGTOW has nothing to do with white-nationalism...unless things have changed since i first encountered them a few years ago when they were still MRA's and Barbie and the other dweeb were its representatives.
Barbie is black....claiming that work is wage-slavery making me wonder how the 'playa' earns a living.
I assumed that it's by milking men-children by selling them vengeance and an excuse for their omega-male status.
I think many homosexuals were attracted to the movement as a pool of sexually frustrated males that could only find gratification in other males.
For them, all that matters is that females and males are recognized as being different....but no other genetic difference is accepted because this may fracture the movement.
They are masculinism....or a reflection of feminism from the other side - feminism for males.
They've adopted the same methods and definitions and simply demand equal treatment from the state.

I distinguished Masculinism and MGTOW because the DailyStormer created a "white sharia" movement. I recall AutSider advocating it here. It is not MGTOW, but perhaps I used the wrong label for it. I get that MGTOW is a male's feminism. My fault on that.

MGTOW has increasingly become involved with 'white nationalism', or at least it has begun to bleed white men from the movement because of recent events: clashes between the 'Alt-Right' and MGTOW and 'Skeptics/Centrists'. 'Skeptics/Centrists' are like Sargon, Kraut, and other YTers that are generally anti-feminist, anti-Islam but not white nationalist. MGTOW is anti-feminist, but more silent on Islam. A tenuous alliance/sharing there between Skeptics and MGTOW who argue with 'Alt-Right' over race realism. The race realism debates recently are what are bleeding white men from the Skeptics/MGTOW movement.

This is a basic oversight of the umbrella 'right-wing' or anti-left movements online, in totality with the other categories I posted. The main groups involved in the Tara McCarthy scandal right now are Alt-Knights (responsive to white knights), white knights, channers, NSDAP-Knights and (dailystormer's) W.N. Sharia/Masculinism (not MGTOW) and MGTOW. Mostly, it is an Alt-Right internal struggle: if you're not white nationalist, you're probably unconcerned. This is why centrists/skeptics aren't involved.
Channers accuse mccarthy of judaism/traitorism, white sharia accuses mccarthy of being an improper white woman and to stfu, nsdap-knight tells altknights and mccarthy to grow a spine, and altknights/whiteknights do as explained before.

MGTOW has moved on from its MRA days, it's transformed into an anti-state movement, a soft anarchism using drop out boycotting methods and trying to appeal to as many men as they can to increase their impact, eventually collapsing the system

it uses a very similar approach to what Anonymous uses, everybody and nobody, everywhere and nowhere. The red pill is the collective awareness of what's taking place regarding the unfair treatment of men within society, MGTOW is the organizing response, quite passively, as it doesn't really organize with a solution, but suggests a pathway to individuals.

Still, I think it will ultimately result in a terrorist-like organisation as the new depth because simply "walking away" isn't enough, they still have a need for women and a desire to dominate, so a portion among them will naturally rise up out of it, but perhaps for majority who don't really maintain a need to pass on their genes etc..Then the MGTOW movement becomes quite pointless, or just a philosophical discussion at best.

To me, it's more a battle for rational sanity than for anything else. Western politics is so skewed and slanted that up turns down and down turns up. Everything is inverted with Abrahamic and Nihilistic compulsions. Start with, for example, women and blacks demand "equal rights" with white males. The first claim is a matter of inequality, as-if, white males enjoy "privileges" that women or blacks do not. However liberal-leftists generally ignore the nature of these supposed "privileges" and end the rhetoric on the surface, only scratching the surface.

My belief, a strong belief, is that liberal-leftism does not dig deeper as such would reveal the moral weakness and helplessness of the *VICTIM* classes. They choose to be 'victims' from the onset. Thus how can they be respected? How can you respect women who allow themselves to be sexually harrassed and raped? How can you respect women who are passive and don't fight back? How can you respect blacks who do not prove themselves on par with whites, intellectually, culturally, politically? On the topic of race, crime statistics speak volumes more than political tripe and rhetoric ever could. Blacks are generally subservient to whites, in one way or another, and enjoy the "privilege" that subservient personalities offer them. The whole scheme for "independence", of women and blacks, is a lie. It's false. It's a sham. And generally it's Jews and Judaism offering the sham, as a means for social upheaval, chaos, and discord. Stirring the shit pot while maintaining "innocence".

For social manipulators, the goal of turning friend against friend, or worse, family against family, against their own kind, is the goal. They believe that if they can achieve this, then they have done their job, and they really have. Thus pro-family, pro-loyalty (traditionally "Right-ist" values) become reinforced. Thus the "Alt Right" is a direct response to political inversions and social upheaval. The Alt-Right offers enhanced "loyalty", however, this usually means "of your own kind".

Thus Alt-Right marginalizes or outright demonizes ethnic and racial others, or underestimates the value of women, when it could have used either as an ally, instead of turning them into enemies (as the agents of chaos intend in the first place).

Satyr wrote:

MGTOW has nothing to do with white-nationalism

Indeed it doesn't. But it does have a slight similarity to WN in a vague sense, in that it is an anti-mainstream movement that claims to be "red-pilled" about a certain topic that the vast majority of society is "blue-pilled" on, and both movements are disliked by mainstream society. Atheism is similar, though less controversial nowadays.

Satyr wrote:

They are masculinism....or a reflection of feminism from the other side - feminism for males.

Slaughtz wrote:

I get that MGTOW is a male's feminism.

That doesn't make any sense. MGTOW is a response to feminism. It is not the male version of it. Remove MGTOW, and feminism stays. Remove feminism, and MGTOW goes away.

Another difference is that feminism is utterly delusional about reality. It misunderstands almost everything about the relations between the sexes. The analysis of MGTOW on the same subject is for the most part spot on (even if you disagree with their conclusions on what ought to be done).

Furthermore, MGTOW actually have legitimate complaints. Feminism barely had any in the past (if at all), and it certainly doesn't have a single one right now.

If there was a male version of feminism it would be MRA, and even they advocate the kind of equality which benefits women anyways, have some legitimate complaints and so on so they can't really be called feminism for males either.

Feminism for men would be if men refused to provide for women and protect them, and if women were left to fend for themselves but also beaten and raped and denied the usage of their sexual power over men while men still demanded women remain virgins until marriage, stay in shape and bear and raise men's children. Basically, if men demanded women fulfill all their feminine responsibilities but men outright abuse women and refuse to fulfill theirs. That would be feminism for men, and I can't say I've ever seen anybody advocating that, because it is obviously insane and it would require an extreme lack of rationality, lack of sympathy for the opposite sex, and a sense of entitlement. And which sex is insane, lacks rationality, lacks sympathy for the other sex, and has a sense of entitlement? Yep. It's not men.

That's exactly what feminists are doing to men - feminists demand men fulfill all their masculine responsibilities to women, while women don't have to fulfill their feminine responsibilities and can outright abuse men. Feminists demand the state be set up in a way which prevents men from dominating them and which allows them to use their sexual power to the fullest and gives them numerous blatant advantages like that while still wanting men to be masculine (while shitting on masculinity), demanding men earn more than them (whilst skewing the educational system in the woman's favor), demanding men are handsome (but we should accept fat women), etc.

Anyway, the idea that MGTOW is feminism for men, "the other side of the feminist coin" and nonsense like that is a very common misconception, and I thought it needed to be addressed.