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PostSubject: Beneath the Social Veneer Beneath the Social Veneer EmptySat Oct 14, 2017 11:46 am

Under all the learned behaviour, the rhetoric, the modern mythologies, the lies, peeks the spirit of a hidden nature.
Under the memetic veil, lies a genetic past, not yet entirely concealed, repressed, even if forgotten.

Study of human nature can only come on the extreme edges of human behaviour, where social rules crack.

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First specimen.
Tribalism.
Human greed, gluttony, desire, hunter/forager past.


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Paranoia, deception....the meaning of 'family' becomes a shared secret, and blood means money.

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All of nature screams of viciousness and injustice.
The fit one dominates and passes on his particular combination of genes, the one lacking them fails to mate, and to pass on his genes... environment determining which traits succeed and which ones fail.
The failure adapts, or compensates, or settles for leaving nothing behind but his decaying corpse.
It is what produced the dominance of the European, now slowly degrading because of sheltering, and Abrahamism – the effect of the memetic dis-ease gradually eroding away the stored advantages of entire bloodlines.
Females as genetic filtering agencies become agencies of memetic filtering, and genetic decay.
Missing or bad fathers condemning their sons to inherited sociopathy, triggered by the environment – fathers that would have never procreated given their personalities.
Overpopulation makes them harder to distinguish in the multiplicity.
What would have become noticed, easily remains inconspicuous.

I remember a documentary about a male lion that had a similar sociopathy. It would kill the pride's cubs for no reason.
Eventually the females pushed him out of the pride.
Such meaningless killing is not tolerated... not even by animals.
A violent dominant male does not enjoy dominance in a chimpanzee troop for long. Females need stable environments to raise their offspring.
Unstable unnecessarily violent males do not last long. Not in social species.

Such murderous potentials are not unique, they are the hidden beast beneath all civilized men.
All that is required are the right conditions to help these natural potentials express themselves.
All that it takes for any man to kill, and feel pleasure in doing it, is the right circusmtnace.
Where they differ, these sociopaths, is in the level of indifference they display, knowing what will inevitably occur.
What makes one man pause, and procrastinate, holding back his hand, never passes through another man's mind, and if it does it has no effect.
There's a sense of having nothing to lose, of wanting to die, no matter how much they have to lose in material gains and pleasures.
Rational, controlled males, would not murder unless they were sure the potential costs did not exceed the potential benefits.
This is where these men, called sociopaths, differ from the average male.
They display no caution, no care.
They act, and think of the consequences afterward.
They slaughter with no forethought, becoming detrimental to the very group they belong to.

There's a theory that obesity is caused by an inferiority in one's oral sensitivity – a not so sensitive palate.
What produces a higher effect in one mouth, has a minimal impact in another, forcing the insensitive individual to seek pleasure in quantities and more intense flavours, whereas for the more sensitive palate less is more, and subtle, delicate flavours are enough to satisfy him.
We may apply this reasoning to these so-called sociopaths.
They cannot feel alive, because they simply do not feel existence as intensely as the average man does.
Some because of some genetic factor, and others because of some traumatic event, that made them numb.
They need more adrenaline, more stress, more intensity to feel like they are living.
Gluttons of hyper-intensity, they cannot enjoy the delicate unless it is embellished to a level where it satisfies.
Subtlety alludes them... they feel dead in the everyday normality of existence.
World is too much, making the sensitive spirit, the one not used to a level of stress above the one it was raised in, to seek relief in self-numbing.
World is not enough, making the insensitive spirit, the one that can feel nothing if it is not raised to a level above the one it has been raised in, to seek relief in extremes.

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If i had a nickel for many times have i heard someone dismiss Varg Vikernes simply because he killed a man...note that this often comes from "alt-right" types who are perfectly fine with potentially implementing violence on an organized scale.

How detached have we become that the act of killing a man/animal is now seen as an illness instead of the rite of passage it was in the past.

I wonder how these men would feel about those few who can accept them for who they truly are.

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Sometimes I wonder how I cannot believe in God when the alternative is total absorption into pop culture. It's not until the idea of a singular God we believed in then subsequently fell out of belief in, that we returned wanting to our primitive state of being. In [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the death of God is the death of that chimerical master and then the subsequent aimlessness that comes with never properly justifying ourselves as anything but slaves while the the most powerful master is dead. And therein, perhaps, lies the 'abyss'.
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After Buddha was dead people showed his shadow for centuries afterwards in a cave, an immense frightful shadow. God is dead! But as the human race is constituted there will perhaps be caves for millenniums yet, in which people will show his shadow. And we — we have still to overcome his shadow!
Just as one understanding that a giant meteor cometh, so does understanding this fatal description bring you little closer to actually resolving the problem it poses. I regularly see articles that try not to attack the actual substance of this, but instead perform convoluted ad hominems to say that the description was never accurate to begin with. And, like those who would libel the one warning of the meteor, they also will have done nothing to help themselves or the situation. And, when they complain that the problem is too big for them to solve anyway, they miss the lesson of humility which this problem is supposed to bring about in them. Not a capitulation, but a humility.
However, so grossly have they mistaken humility for weakness, from requiring that their ideas take precedence over inconvenient realities, that they are stuck being that way, which makes my tongue curl to shield my throat and my inhaling stop momentarily so as to keep their countenance away from my olfactory system.
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Women do not know why they are attracted to serial killers like Bundy.
Their nature is a mystery to them.
At least most of them.  
Raised in a modern system they have an additional reason to be confused about a nature the system teaches them is a social construct, and not a naturally evolved behavioural pattern that cannot help but express itself, either openly or in private, when triggered by specific phenomena.




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Narcissism is common among serial killers.
A need for attention, coupled with a sense of superiority. That he cannot be captured because he's too smart.
Narcissism is a corruption of empathy.
The mind cannot place himself in the others positions without underestimating him.
It's a projection of self, where the inferior parts are projected, allowing the superior traits to remain on the side of the ego.
Serial killers are not unique in their desire to murder, mutilate, cause harm, rape, or whatever....but they are unique I the incapacity to care about the outcome, or to underestimate the probability of there being an outcome, given the over-inflated sense of self they have.
superiority, in comparison to the average may, be a fact, but with every consecutive act the serial killer gets away with, an increase of confidence accumulates.
Success increases confidence.
Failure increases insecurity.
Like a gambler who will, eventually, lose whatever money he manages to win, the serial killer doubles-down with every successful murder and escape. Each time his ego inflates, until he begins to become careless.

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Childhood trauma, coupled with the absence of a safety-net, a warm, safe place to hide away form the big bad world, scars the boy's heart.
The trauma's severity is not the same - its level is never equal. Each child inherits a different potential in all traits, including fragility.
What breaks one child, is easily handled by another.
For one child severe, consistent beatings, or sexual abuse will shatter the psyche, and for another a mere slap, or a taunt at school from its schoolmate will do it.
Killing, abusing others is payback for an abusive home.
Loss of power in one area is replaced with the 'rush' of gaining power over life and death.
Controlling the fate of another's life compensates for the loss of control over one's own life.
Validation denied to the child is received from the system, or from a new peer group.



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PostSubject: Re: Beneath the Social Veneer Beneath the Social Veneer EmptySat Nov 04, 2017 4:28 pm

Sexual objectification.

A transsexual will shame someone for sexually objectifying them.
But why then do they take hormones?
So they can be ugly?
They take hormones so they can be beautiful.
Beautiful is a physical, objective quality.
They wear pretty clothes, to be physically, visually beautiful.
This is object-oriented, visual-oriented.

Read between the lines.
What they are actually saying is...
"I want to be objectified, by myself and those who I approve of."
"I do not want to be objectified by those I do not approve of."
Usually, ie. older males.
Because older males, are objectively losing their neoteny, and are less visually-objectively beautiful.
Ugly people are "creeps".
Beautiful people are not "creeps".

But they don't admit this, because of the social veneer.
It would contradict everything they say they believe, about social justice, equality, and not being "shallow". Anything to pretend they are noble, and deep. Anything to pretend they aren't generic, run-of-the-mill narcissists.

By objective I don't mean subjective/objective. I refer to Object oriented visualization.
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PostSubject: Re: Beneath the Social Veneer Beneath the Social Veneer EmptySat Nov 04, 2017 5:46 pm

Objectification is natural and normal.

We are all means to an end for someone.
There is no such thing as the romantic, idiealsim of being loved for who and what you are.
Not your mother, or your child loves you unless you are a means towards an end for them.
This is healthy.
Only you can love yourself for who and what you are...and this should become your life's objective, because loving yourself only when you are a mans for another's end, is what makes you a slave to them - dependent.

They ought to objectify you, and seek in you a means to an need, but you ought not to see yourself through their motives.
You ought to make other's a means towards your ends, an they should not feel threatened or diminished by this. It's their prerogative if they wish to be a means towards you end or not, as it is yours to make of yourself a means towards another's end, if these fit into your own ends.

Only feeble minded nit-wits, romantic idealists, immature men-children, boys, and women, idealize human relationships.
This bullshit about love with no string is just that...Modernistic clap-trap, soon victimizing those who believe in such myths.
All relationships are with strong, in other words they are give and take relationships.
If you give more than you take, in your own estimations, then you ought to get out of the relationship.
A balanced relationships is one where both sides give and take in a near-perfect balance - never absolutely perfect....and always according to thir estimations, judgments.
as such human relationships not based no genetics are always tenuous, uncertain, prone to shifts in balance....ephemeral.  
This is particularly rue of erotic ones....and less o for rational ones, agape.
The irrationality, and instinctive nature of eros makes it short lived. When lust diminishes, clearing the rational mind of its inebriating effects, or when the ends are met, or one side judges them as being unattainable,. then the erotic feeling diminishes and slowly disappears.
Agape, or rational affection, based on shared interests, goals, and ideals, are long-term, and though they gradually deteriorate, in some aspects they also gradually become stronger due to habituation and investments made over time....shared risks also bring people together, as they provide evidence of reliability that increases trust.

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I like that guy.

It's funny how many moderns idolize Hollywood and its idol-making factories.
grown men and women being paid to pretend, like little boys and girls, and then feeling like they are someone worth listening to in politics or in morals....selling themselves, prostituting themselves, degrading themselves all for fame and fortune - need of others to validate them and then buying into this validation, whether good or bad.
Being devastated to the point of self-destructiveness, or inflated into a god-like self-image, thinking that what services they provide are something extraordinary, and not propaganda pushed on them by their (((masters))).
Men-whores and whores, selling themselves to the highest bidder.
Everything and anything for validation, for appreciation, for acknowledgement.

Doesn't stop them from putting on those self-congratulating events after a year of recycling the same themes, and selling the same lies.
How else could and would a black man who runs fast with an inflated skin, feel that he has something profound to say about the political system?
A guy who is born tall and can jump high, awarded millions, and feeling important.

And what about the word-association factories that repeat the same musical themes, same melodies they've sampled from others, the same rap, congratulating themselves....over and over.....a slave's vengeance.
They survived, at all costs, with no effort, because they were given freedom, and now they deserve retribution.
Herd psychology, for the shepherd, and his dogs.

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What is most interesting is the amount of female attention these serial killers receive...some marrying while awaiting execution, while in the outside world many men cannot find a mate to marry and remain celibate, or are forced to turn-away, as a way of coping with their circumstances - MRA.
This exposes the true nature of the female, and how it progresses from a more genetically, instinctive, form towards a more pragmatic, rationalizing settling, called maturity.

This produces the equivalent to male mid-life crisis in females: the seeking of her 'lost identity', sacrificed to pragmatic circumstances and reinitialized sacrifices.
Henry David Thoreau wrote:
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation

These repressed, unrequited desires, not fully gratified needs are the byproduct of civilization, and the genetic put within memetic boundaries.
The degree of the primal in the individual determines the degree of self-repression, and non-gratification by the necessary sacrifices he is forced to make, under penalty of law, or peer pressure.

This is why philosophers, real objective thinkers, are so rare.
Monstrous when exposed to the more primitive, instinctive common man.
Not lacking primal energies, but a lower degree, clarifies the mind of all corrupting effects, and the strenuous efforts to continuously subdue primal, inclinations.
Primal minds, or minds dominated by the body, tend to exaggerate themselves or due to the extreme effort required to control the body, by the mind (will) exaggerate this effort, converting it to an indication of faith - sacrifice.
This is the Modern, nihilistic ascetic feeling - self-abnegation, in response to self-aggrandizing, surrendering to animal, base instincts.

A philosopher must have the perfect balance of low animalism freeing the mind from the body's constant demands, and high desire to know, to understand.
Balance of mental/physical needs/desires.

Slight imbalance either way surrenders the mind to ego, to the physical needs/desires, or makes the mind totally indifferent, inept, to the physical, the real.
To put it another way....imbalance either way, produces a mind dominated by subjectivity, emotional surrender to instincts ,sexual physical needs/desires; ego defining itself accordingly...or dominated by objectivity, cold rationalism, indifferent, lack of empathy, alienation unable to balance the two.

Empathy defined accurately and not as a synonym for sympathy, or apathy.

Without empathy the mind cannot understand other. Trapped in its own detachment - autism.
Such minds tend to delve into subjective abstractions, such as mathematics, geometry, codes, in contrast to the emotional sympathetic, instinctual mind that tends to delve in the artistic, the sensational, the intuitive; emotion defining the ego's judgments.

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Slight imbalance either way surrenders the mind to ego, to the physical needs/desires, or makes the mind totally indifferent, inept, to the physical, the real.
To put it another way....imbalance either way, produces a mind dominated by subjectivity, emotional surrender to instincts ,sexual physical needs/desires; ego defining itself accordingly...or dominated by objectivity, cold rationalism, indifferent, lack of empathy, alienation unable to balance the two.

Empathy defined accurately and not as a synonym for sympathy, or apathy.

Without empathy the mind cannot understand other. Trapped in its own detachment - autism.

There's a triangle of the replacement of God with rationality.

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      Autistic --------  --------- Cold Rationalist
Rationalist: Dogmatic and arrogant, almost ideological. Open inquiry into uncontroversial reality but not social norms, unconcerned with history - a progressive typically with an Anglo-Semitic 'classical liberal' belief system. Is not open to questioning the myths which it relies on to maintain its comfort/economic level. Embraces antipathy easily when its money/comfort is threatened. Basically an ideologue with some reasoning capability. Use 'reason' and 'truth' as an excuse for faith. Large 'event horizon', to the degree it can get away with it; non-existent with taboo subjects.

Autistic: Incapable of functioning properly, savants, etc. No empathy whatsoever. Compulsively resolves seemingly worthless problems to satiate its own nervous energies. Requires structured environments. Maybe incapable of having any faith. Therefor maybe not salient, as it could never 'replace' God. Maybe incapable of an event horizon.

Cold rationalist: Previously able for empathy but currently unable to handle, disabled, with regards to empathy of others. May be unable to create the antipathy required for maintenance of empathy without being overwhelmed by sympathetic intuitions that it knows would end up leading it astray/hurting it. Weakness of spirit/will, grit. It looks at people empathetically only to the degree it allows itself to remember previous times in its life that it felt empathy or felt it should express something like it. Very little ideological content. Faith is eroded but not absent. Almost incapable of extremism (where it was very capable in its younger years) - but its event horizon, as a person - with identity or its personhood, is very small. Perhaps a relenting to a judgment of its inability to affect much beyond its own death.
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PostSubject: Re: Beneath the Social Veneer Beneath the Social Veneer EmptyTue Nov 07, 2017 11:07 am

Yes....one extreme becomes trapped in its own language, in art - immersing itself in subjectivity and emotionalism, sensationalism, and the other extreme rises into the idealistic realm of pure theory, trapping itself in the mind's abstractions, its metaphors, like words and numbers - semiotics.

One is conveniently sheltered in subjectivity - what I describe as using abstractions to cover self, keeping the world 'outside'.
The other is conveniently surpassing the subjective in a projected idealistic objectification - what I describe as using abstractions to cover the world, believing it is 'outside' because ti has buried the world in semiotics.

it's a difference in psychology - introversion, seeking relief internally (world is too much) and extroversion, seeking relief in escape, in the beyond, the supernatural (world is not enough).
Both negate world = pure Nihilism, surrendering to chaos (feminine), and positive Nihilism, constructing an alternate reality of absolute order (masculine).
The former may be seduced by the latter, creating symbiosis - psychological codependency.

Masculine's proactive creating an alternate reality, may attract the passive feminine, cowering beneath its cocoon, entering its own womb.
The masculine will seek to impregnate the feminine with its own codes....in the case of this memetic virus this takes the form of words, symbols, meanings, that intentionally offer a relief, an escape, an alternate reality from the one experienced.
for the passive feminine nihilist, any alternative is better than the world itself.

The world being uncertain, uncaring, indifferent, threatening, and for the most part unconscious.
even its conscious parts, life in other words, are mostly indifferent to the individual's plight - selfish.
not self-less...not lacking the continuum of memory that directs it to its own destination, ideal, on its own path.

This is why memories musty be expunged and then reinvented, so as to integrate all in a shared narrative.
Uniformity of absolute sameness, by degrading or ignoring divergence, except as a manifestation of the one.
We have a cryto-Christian, an abrahamic narrative reemerging, even among those that are convinced they are atheists, or pagans, or secular humanists.
Difference is a manifestation of a singularity - God...and so an illusion.
All is the same, despite appearances, in this narrative.
Self-esteem is gained by being the best representation of this absolute - the individual closest to the theoretical absolute ideal.

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The difference is rather subtle but not difficult to understand, or to become aware of, or to find references in the real world.
Realism, with paganism as its spiritual expression, ought not to be confused with how it was believed by the laymen in traditional societies. The mediocre have to be given absolutes, easily comprehensible concepts to believe in.
For the higher intellects, Realism and Paganism refer to ideals constructed as guideposts, as metaphors, of a world that is forever shifting, changing, fluctuating. Their stability is found in referring to an immutable past, constantly added to with the passage of time - the expansion of space.
Like a ship stabilizing itself in the liquid sea, by constructing a deep keel, with an equally deep rudder.
The thicker the rudder (Will), the more the boat can control its direction.
The deeper the keel the more stable the boat on the shifting currents, and winds.
Reality is the sea.
The winds are the ideals, the boat may cast a sail upon, directing it towards or away - controlled movement = Will.  
This does not mean that without it the boat is fixed...only that it is more easily directed by circumstances, by the world's fluctuating causality, or by ideals others create and cast into the atmosphere.

Pure nihilism, is pure theoretics, pure imagery, symbols/words: code....with no sea, and no boat.
In its purest form it is wind, air.
Hot or cold air. Gas.
It is expelled by orifices dreaming of directing the boat, the Self, using idealism, pure thought.
But this does not negate the sea....it only damns the boat to be a victim of it.
They hope if they blow-hard and long they can compensate for the air coming form other orifices...so they collect blowhards to help them, direct the sails with mountains of metaphors, attach to nothing - no boat, on no sea....just a kite in the air.

Modernity, using this metaphor, is the construction of increasingly shallow keel, with no rudder, but with only a huge sail, and the air expelled by select orifices - verbalization, text.
Divinity takes up the role of Holy winds.
It's extreme form is a kite, with no string and no hand holding it.
This idealistic condition moderns call "freedom".
No past, no sea (reality) =only idealistic winds, shifting and flowing over a sea they wish to forget exists.

Of course it is easier to blow your own wind than to direct yourself upon winds that blow their own way, when you've imagined the sea and boat away.
Boat is replaced by string, floating in the air.
Keel and rudder are replaced by an imagined hand, standing no nothing but air - "standing" on the air expelled by other orifices: idols, icons, scripture, words upon words, pages upon pages, symbols upon symbols, detached from the real, from any reference: noetic mountains with no reference to any phenomenon.
Shifting metaphors...the pure or feminine nihilist is the one turning inward because she cannot find a stable hand - dismissing all phenomena as equally illusory, all symbols/words as equally void of references to world.
She likes it that way, but harbours a secret desire to find an absolute, to be given an absolute...to be swept away by a warm wind....but never to settle upon the turmoil of the sea, with its dark, cold abyss.
The positive, Nihilist, the more masculine of the two, is the kite with the strong, thick as rope, trying to tangle any stray kites with it.
It claims that it is not dependent on the winds, because it knows of the wind's divine currents, or that its blowing orifice creates its own divine current.

Nihilism needs absolutes.
Either as preexisting, and out there awaiting discovery, or as a personal construct that establishes a truth.  
Either the world is absolute, and we but the ones seeking its finality, or the absolute is our construct, filling in the absence.
Nihilism finds absolutes by manufacturing them - in the very process of perceiving world. In its own methods of reducing the fluid to static, stable abstraction - in its own representations.
Symbols/Words are essential...magical, the real reality, world creators.
Nihilism needs symbols/words, like a kite needs air, preferably hot, to fly.
Like a boat with a shallow keel and no rudder, needs the winds to sail.

Nihilism defines itself in relation to a world that is void of its abstractions.
It describes reality that lacks these man-made fabricators as a negative, a nil, implying that the constructs are a positive, a one.
so, the manmade fabrications are positive, though they are void of substance in relation to experienced reality....they contradict world, or are contradicted by world.
Therefore world is a 'negative' to be 'corrected', to be 'surpassed', or to hide away from, or covered-over and forgotten. Lethe.

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For those convinced that education is the solution to man's woes, years of 'affirmative action' proves them wrong....but they cannot admit it, cannot let go of their idealism, so they accuse the world for their failures.
For them, the solution is still self-evident, though decades of educating Negroes has not made their intelligence equal to that of the Asian - another visible minority not suffering the same problems.

These same romantic, idealists, naive imbeciles, intelligence is the solution to man's 'base nature', thinking that education will raise intelligence and intelligence will lead to a utopia.
But evidence proves them wrong, once again.
High intelligence does not mean an absence of a nature they fear and despise, wanting to deny it, by reinventing themselves as a being that begins at birth and ends at death - desperately wanting the past to be forgotten and made irrelevant.
But the past is never irrelevant, and never absent.
Past is precedent, which is how humans build experience.
Past nurturing is nature.
Appearance is the sum of past inter-activities made present - appearance is the sum of all the past made presence.
Child is not born a clean slate - a tabula rasa, to be build from scratch, by social engineering by social factors, by experiences alone.
If this were so there would be no species, and intelligence would have never evolved to be distinct to one person, or to one group, or to one species - it would not be ana advantage.

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This hippie, 60's sex drugs and rock'n'roll is effective when you want to exploit the young, naive, and lost - the desperate, looking for love, appreciation, belonging, because they did not get it from their family.
Drugs break down what misgivings remain.

A cocktail of manipulation, and the exploitation of weakness.

The perpetrator is usually someone who is just as fucked-up as those he takes advantage of.
It has to be genuine, otherwise it is not effective for long.
Sixties is when Nihilism reached its apex....and we are experiencing the fallout with the present identity crisis.
It is when the Frankfurt School sowed the intellectual seeds it had planted decades earlier.
Breakdown of the family, female liberation, challenging the traditions, the concept of nation, and tribe, and everything.
Decadence.

Why is the present world so fucked, in the west?
Because the baby boomers are coming of age, and retiring.
Those that were brainwashed and were teenagers during the sixties are old, and dying, but they've passed-on their psychosis to their kids.

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PostSubject: Re: Beneath the Social Veneer Beneath the Social Veneer EmptyMon Nov 13, 2017 7:54 pm

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This hippie, 60's sex drugs and rock'n'roll is effective when you want to exploit the young, naive, and lost - the desperate, looking for love, appreciation, belonging, because they did not get it from their family.
Drugs break down what misgivings remain.

A cocktail of manipulation, and the exploitation of weakness.

The perpetrator is usually someone who is just as fucked-up as those he takes advantage of.  
It has to be genuine, otherwise it is not effective for long.
Sixties is when Nihilism reached its apex....and we are experiencing the fallout with the present identity crisis.
It is when the Frankfurt School sowed the intellectual seeds it had planted decades earlier.
Breakdown of the family, female liberation, challenging the traditions, the concept of nation, and tribe, and everything.
Decadence.

Why is the present world so fucked, in the west?
Because the baby boomers are coming of age, and retiring.
Those that were brainwashed and were teenagers during the sixties are old, and dying, but they've passed-on their psychosis to their kids.

The problem with Post counter-culture modern academics, is their affinity to philosophically romanticize the 60's as a poignant event of human value and expression when it was a just a culmination of sheltered degeneracy and nihilism finally finding its niche in politics and generation culture, which was the revolutionary act of its time. Camille Paglia suffers from this tendency of philosophically esteeming the 60's, which is my only gripe with her.

Modern psychologists and social critics like to attribute "brilliant" qualities to Manson for his ability to manipulate a bunch of idiotic gullible drug addled misfits, as if that takes some genius talent. He is only interesting as a psychological case study of the first major figurehead and main offspring of modern decay.

Moderns are fascinated with Manson because they see themselves in him and identify with his lost hollow nihilistic diseased soul that is also their own.
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