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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:35 am

Parasites have no loyalty to the host they feed on.
Their care for it lasts as long as their ability to drain it, or to feed on its byproduct of feces and sweat and blood.
It refuses to be assimilated into the organism and remains distinct and ready to change alliance, as are females. It has a feminine spirit using the host as a female uses a male.

Parasite has no relation to the soil, the land the host lives upon.
The host is its proxy, its mediating contact with the earth.
Its spirituality reflects this detachment from the corporeal, developing an ideology of nihilistic contradiction to the physical. The virus serves this purpose.
It is the parasite's justification of itself.

Parasite and virus becoming a symbiotic unity.
like all art, language reflects the relationship of mind with body, and mind with world - ideal with reality.
Parasite's artistry is this offering of disconnection from the worldly, and escape into idealistic detachments.
The virus serves the purpose of self-deceit, self-numbing disconnection, keeping the infected host numb and blissfully ignorant.
Language to detach from the real and immerse one's self in the ideal - disconnect from phenomena, and connection to the noetic, the noumenon.
Nonsensical language, meaningless by any pragmatic standard, can find 'meaning' by connecting to sensations, emotions, and abstractions, creating a web of linguistic self-references, only daring to allude to the external world, implying that it remains true to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:51 am

We now recognize the source of the Zombie's condition.
There is a virus, yes, but it is carried into the host by a parasite that has, itself been infected.
But instead of wanting to become healthy the parasite, as host, converted its ailment into a new 'health' - it inverted the meaning of being healthy.
Having come in contract with the virus via a host both it and the virus had infected, it discovered in the virus an advantage it would use to make its parasitism more effective.
It became a symbiont with the virus.
Since then we cannot separate the virus from the host. Their association is settled.

Its a meme/gene unity, that uses the meme to hide and redefine the gene.

The parasite has a negative relationship with the world. It is unable to survive in it outside a host. It, therefore, antagonizes, is disloyal, to the host's connection to the soil.
The virus serves to detach the host from its earthly roots, its love for the tangible, the corporeal, the worldly, and make it a zombie, connecting only with ideas, ideals in its head that have no external references.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:05 am

How to immunize one's self
We know the virus that creates Zombies is linguistic.
It is, like the actual virus, vague in its definition as living.
The memetic virus is ambiguous about its existence. It exists, but as idea.
An idea is a representation, of the real....which makes the memetic virus effective in inverting this relationship,. or by casting allusions trying to negate all representations, as equally nonsensical.
It triggers, sensations, emotions, imagery, feelings...a reaction.
This establishes a relationship of mind with its own body, or with the physical, in general. The world.
It usually manifests into a moral behavioural code, that may, or may not be rooted in reality and is a human fabrication.
How can we distinguish the meme that is genetically based from the meme that contradicts the genetic, the evolved, the earthly?
How can we distinguish an idea that refers to the real, from the idea that refers to other ideas - words referring and deferring to more words?
Let me display the process....

Let's take the word 'kill', to refer to a phenomenon that we experience in nature.
We will not use .murder' which is a human invention differentiating what is considered sanctioned, by the group, killing, from what is not - what is permitted and what is not.
We will not, in other words, differentiate the species man, from all other life.
We now ask: is killing found in nature, seen outside human systems?
Of course. Killing is a fundamental part of surviving.
Herbivores kill plants, who harvest the sun's energy directly; omnivores kill plants and animals that harvest those that harvest the sun's energies; carnivores only harvest those that harvest plants that harvest the sun's energies.

Killing is harvesting, appropriating what is not yours.
Taking of life, integrates what this life has accumulated in its time of living - digesting means integrating; defecating means expelling what cannot be integrated as fecal matter which is also harvested by other species, in a natural chain.

So killing is not immoral.
When and how does killing become immoral, or undesirable?
When the repercussions, the potential costs are more costly than the potential benefits.
This alludes to social cooperative strategies necessitating self-control, self-repression, to facilitate cooperation.
Its roots are found in heterosexuality where the male does not kill the female....although there are insects, such as praying mantis, where the female does kill and consume the male after fertilization has been accomplished.
The only reason males do not kill females is because this would defeat the purpose of fertilization, since the female has evolved to carry and care for the fetus until maturity.
Now we can see how killing can become 'murder' to differentiate productive from destructive killing.
Morality has nothing to do with it.
Now we come to more intricate, more sophisticated cooperative systems, such as those only humans can produce. systems that integrate genetically heterogeneous populations into cohesive, hopefully stable unities.  
Now murder must become abstract, as some cosmic rule, inhibiting natural inclinations.

So, from pragmatic restrictions, naturally evolved to facilitate an outcome, we come to a manmade impositions that take this and shape it to achieve goals unintended by natural selection.
The Ten Commandments represent these manmade impositions upon preexisting natural inclinations, creating the first theocracy.
We know these as memes that conflict with genes.  
These can be useful, but can also be warped.

Therefore, killing a member of the in-group might be destructive because it disrupts group cohesion, making killing a matter of sanctioned and not-sanctioned killing.
Morality is used to promise/threaten the individual who will not be controlled by reason, or pragmatism. Individuals that are so simple, so base, that some metaphysical threat/promise must be employed to help him curb his natural inclinations.
we add to this the group's imposition of a high price for behaviours that conflict with the group's stability.

From genetically evolved behaviours, the foundations of 'moral behaviour', we come to memetic extensions that may conflict with the first.
We can use this method to distinguish how man intervenes in a multitude of behaviours.
If we turn to abortion we might say that abortion in nature is impossible because animals do not have the technological nor the techniques to abort a fetus, just as they have no means to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
But we do know that abortion does occur out of the uterus....offspring are killed after they are born for a variety of reasons.
So, in nature the killing of the immature, the young, is not immoral.

Why does it become so in human systems?
Again....the interests of the group becomes a restriction.
So the immorality of killing the young is only found in social organisms.  
It denies the group a member that may strengthen it, contribute to it, ensure its continuance.
In human systems the reasons can be multiple, each directed by a motive, an ideal, directing the group's judgment.
Does the group value  quantities or qualities?
Does the group value peace or conflict?
The morality of the act is determined by this.
But is nature the restriction is based on the outcome.
Why do parents not reproduce with their offspring?
Because this results in genetic mutations that are detrimental to health. this develops in a repulsion reaction, similar to how we dry heave when we even think of consuming feces.
The toxins in feces are dangerous to the health of the organism....but the organism has no reasoning to understand this. so nature evolves a automatic reaction to this act, even if the organism is starving.

We take each word, place it outside human applications, human systems, finding how they refer to nature, in the past or outside current human applications.
This is our foundation....our earthly connection.
Then we move upward, seeing how the word, referring to an abstraction, was applied in different groups, at different times, all the way up to the present.
We take each word and try to connect it to the tangible, the experienced, to what can be perceived, tested and replicated.
This clarifies our language.
We can now distinguish the manmade (memes), from the naturally based memes.
Then we proceed to determine the utility and/or the value of the outcome in relation to an ideal, a goal.
What is our highest goal?
All morality will follow from this.
But not all goals are equally real, or as they are imagined.
Beware of what you wish for.
So we seek guidance in precedent.
Is the goal, the objective, something that exists outside our minds, or is it entirely theoretical, a noetic abstraction?
If the goal is found outside the mind, what outcomes are produced by its attainment?
Is it realistic or unrealistic, idealistic? To what degree?
Is it attainable or theoretical? To what degree?
Is it overestimate, or underestimated? To what degree?
What kinds of minds (psychologies) does it produce in relation to what kinds of minds we wish to produce?

Morality is the relationship of a shared, group objective, with the interests of the individual, a personal objective.
It has no other meaning.
Mysticism, emotions, religions are used to manipulate this.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:05 am

Satyr wrote:
Zombies are representations of a psychological state, exaggerated to outline its basic identifying characteristics.

Satyr, I am delighted by your post, and think its a good post, however, I think it needs a couple revisions. There are a couple of things I am not understanding here, maybe the fault is mine but I'm not sure.

Firstly I want to say that I have also associated Modernity with the equivalence of zombification. So there is something to this here.

But for your category of 1, it seems somewhat redundant, and your definitions seem a bit confusing. So let me just state my personal views of zombification.

Zombification, does seem to echo your post, but slightly different here and there. Firstly, Zombification occurs when there is no Ego. You said this during category 1. With no ego, then the self is just a mindless zombie. However, there are also 2 other components. Id, which is demonization. And Superego, which is Feminization, ubermenchism. The ego, is the Male component of the brain, which prevents Male homosexuality. However, if you remove the Ego, but keep the SuperEgo, what you get is Jesus Christ, Logos, or Vulcan attitudes. What you get is spirituality, but not zombification. I would not characterize Jesus, or Vulcans, as a zombie.

Now when you combine all three, you get Neitzche. Now when you just have id, you have Hedonism, but I wouldn't say Hedonism is full on Zombification.

To get Zombification, you need to remove all three: id, ego, and superego. Then you will get full on Zombie Apocalypse. What I mean by this is, listen to modern music. It feels like it is devoid of soul or spirit, it has no coherence. It is a musical apocalypse. I believe full on Zombification is a female trait. Because the Female, must abandon her Male ego to have sex with a male. However, modern females are not raised with any kind of moral values or strong spiritualities, so they have no SuperEgo. And the Id is associated with sex-drive, so if modern females have no sex-drive, well guess what you have a living breathing zombie.

This is why zombies, are an extension of demonic, Joker makeup, that women wear, the smoky black eyes and red lipstick. But Joker is not a full on Zombie, just a demon. So female supermodels wear this to show their demonic, Hedonistic id nature. But If you remove the Id, well you get full on zombie makeup, which is more Thick than Joker makeup and just looks like a walking skull, kind of like SvenGhoilie makeup. And Zombie makeup is not meant to be sexually attractive, it symbolizes a void in personality, like no sentience just walkin' dead. This is why, you showed the picture of the bearded man in a dress. He is like a zombie, has no taste or desire to shave, he is a broken man, this is why Male homosexuality is similar to zombification. Because when a female has sex with a man, there is still female sexual power there. But two men, its like two dead batteries being next to each other, zombification. And lesbianism is the opposite, a severe power surge, some cant handle the electricity it zaps their mind, it is too high of a charge for many to handle.
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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:15 am

I define words like this:

Ego = Lucid part of self.
The part of self that is conscious of itself = self-conscious.

self = experiences/memories since conception.
Two memory chains synthesizing.

Self = experiences/memories before conception.
Passed on to the individual in the form of genetic code.
A Zombie is self with no ego, no sense of self, and no Self, no connection to the past.
The genetic code has bee corrupted, resulting in its monstrous appearance.
All it is is sensation, emotion, hunger, thirst.

In modern times this is expressed as materialism, hedonism....endless, extraordinary, ambitions, socially manufactured, with no hope of satisfaction.
Chomsky spoke of manufacturing consent.....this is a case of manufacturing ambitions, manufacturing needs/desires i call 'wants', in the form of ideals, objectives, using morals, sex, organic drives etc.

Male and female homosexuality is a corruption of the genome - a corruption of memories, of the code.
It is a symptom of zombification, but not the only one. It rejects the body's function.
Homosexuality is the mutation caused by repeated replication, and a hormonal effect during the development of the fetus.
Its because heterosexual reproduction evolved after mitosis.
So the organism evolved processes to intervene upon the previous method of reproduction and direct it towards this one which also necessitate the participation of another.
This reprogramming can go wrong, with every copy.
Like when you program a new computer with its operating system - during the installation sometimes some files can be corrupted.
Why?
Because we exist in a dynamic cosmos where order and chaos are present....so even when all seems equal, the same, there are tiny fluctuations, little differences, because all is Flux, and there is no absolute.
The ego becomes aware of itself....and may try to justify what it is, or may feel inadequate and choose to end what it is....  
Ego does not mean self-love....it means awareness of self. The part that is aware of self, the self-aware, is named ego, to differentiate it from self, which is mostly not aware of itself.
Men tend to be more self-aware, and females less so....this is what is referred to as the female mystique, which is also mysterious to the female herself.
Females act no intuition, feelings, emotions, without fully understanding why.
This is why they are more natural, natural agencies...and used to represents in spirituality, raw nature: unity of chaos/order, or the subconscious acting and then justifying or becoming aware of its own actions.

In the mind/nervous system/body triad, a female would be more physical.
She is governed, dominated, by the body....her entire body is a sex organ.
She easily fall in and out of lust/love, explaining it using metaphors she has been given by her environment - like pop-culture, movies etc.
She may lie to herself, and to others, but her body cannot.
She calls this chemistry, or intuition, or instinct, or may explain it using mystification, magic...

Feminization means a people more prone to superstitions, to hypocrisy where ideals contradict the real, or actions are contradicted by convictions.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:31 am

I guess then, the discrepancy is in our perspective, and definitions. Because, I don't view hedonism and decadence, or consumer capitalism as actual zombification. Actual zombification is more like, male homosexuality. That is true zombification, like how a whore in heat is just a mindless zombie. More so I would say my definition of zombification, is about some kind of brain component malfunctioning or performing suboptimally. Thus it is a typically Female trait. Because females view Females as pretty, but must have sex with Males to reproduce. Therefore their mind has an automatic zombie function to it, of becoming a mindless whore in heat, bimbo if you will. Modernity provides a half baked approach, it attempts to "save" women from being zombies, but at the same time, encourages them to make mindless zombie music with no talent, where they act like whores in heat who have no real talent.

What you seem to preach, is more along the lines of Vulcan aesthetism. I suppose Vulcans are masculine, in their own way, but hedonism and consumerist capatalism, I wouldn't say is the same as zombification, furthermore I wouldn't say the male lust or averice is really feminization. It may be caused by feminization, due to society forcing males to overcompensate their masculinity, by becoming greedy or hyper masculine.
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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:39 am

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Male and female homosexuality is a corruption of the genome - a corruption of memories, of the code.
It is a symptom of zombification, but not the only one. It rejects the body's function.
Homosexuality is the mutation caused by repeated replication, and a hormonal effect during the development of the fetus.
Its because heterosexual reproduction evolved after mitosis.
So the organism evolved processes to intervene upon the previous method of reproduction and direct it towards this one which also necessitate the participation of another.
This reprogramming can go wrong, with every copy.
Like when you program a new computer with its operating system - during the installation sometimes some files can be corrupted.
Why?
Not sure. During Biology class I got an A+, but honestly I forgot most of what I learned. I wish I could go back and repeat high-school, because now that I actually want to learn, I can't go back to highschool. Part of the problem is, they force learning to students, rather than letting them to choose to learn on their own.

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Because we exist in a dynamic cosmos where order and chaos are present....so even when all seems equal, the same, there are tiny fluctuations, little differences, because all is Flux, and there is no absolute.
The ego becomes aware of itself....and may try to justify what it is, or may feel inadequate and choose to end what it is....  
Ego does not mean self-love....it means awareness of self. The part that is aware of self, the self-aware, is named ego, to differentiate it from self, which is mostly not aware of itself.
Men tend to be more self-aware, and females less so....this is what is referred to as the female mystique, which is also mysterious to the female herself.
Females act no intuition, feelings, emotions, without fully understanding why.
This is why they are more natural, natural agencies...and used to represents in spirituality, raw nature: unity of chaos/order, or the subconscious acting and then justifying or becoming aware of its own actions.

In the mind/nervous system/body triad, a female would be more physical.
She is governed, dominated, by the body....her entire body is a sex organ.
She easily fall in and out of lust/love, explaining it using metaphors she has been given by her environment - like pop-culture, movies etc.
She may lie to herself, and to others, but her body cannot.
She calls this chemistry, or intuition, or instinct, or may explain it using mystification, magic...

Feminization means a people more prone to superstitions, to hypocrisy where ideals contradict the real, or actions are contradicted by convictions.
This is true. The ego, is in essence the Male part of the brain. That is why males tend to be more competitive, have bigger egos, and why modern females tend to hate the idea of sexual relations with males, because their egos are bigger. Homosexual males overcompensate by having a giant Public ego, like Milo Yanopolis, and zero ego or self-awareness in the bedroom. This is why male homosexuality is different from female autogynephillia, or bimbo-ism, because the male has nothing to offer, thus he must become self-unaware of the fact he has no female sexual power to offer.
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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:49 am

'Bigger egos' means....they are more self-aware, on average.
This is part of the male's sexual role.
To compete with other male's you must be aware of yourself, in relation to them.
The male's sexual success depends on him thinking 'outside the box', and challenging authority.

For the female this is not the case. Her mind is dedicated to belonging, gauging the group, and he place in it - hierarchies. Evaluating others within the group.
She streamlines it by using feelings, intuitions, not requiring clarity, focus.
A vague sensation suffices.
She feels it all.
This is why she is an effective judge of hypocrisy, as it relates to authority, or group ideals.
This also makes her vulnerable to group psychosis, superstitions, mythologies.
She is a barometer of group health.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:56 am

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'Bigger egos' means....they are more self-aware, on average.
This is part of the male's sexual role.
To compete with other male's you must be aware of yourself, in relation to them.
The male's sexual success depends on him thinking 'outside the box', and challenging authority.

For the female this is not the case. Her mind is dedicated to belonging, gauging the group, and he place in it - hierarchies. Evaluating others within the group.
She streamlines it by using feelings, intuitions, not requiring clarity, focus.
A vague sensation suffices.
She feels it all.
This is why she is an effective judge of hypocrisy, as it relates to authority, or group ideals.
This also makes her vulnerable to group psychosis, superstitions, mythologies.  
She is a barometer of group health.

Dunno, I think you are right but confuse me a little bit. For example I think I have a brain with male components and female components. I am a good judge of hypocrisy and barometer of group health. I think I also control the weather, which you may say is a delusion, although honestly I don't mind if you do.

So I think the confusion is, self-awareness and self-consciousness. Because I don't agree with Otto Weininger, he said females dont have a soul, and I think he meant they don't have a spirit or sentience/consciousness. But I do not believe this is the case.

So I would say, males have self-awareness and females have self-awareness, but they have different types of self-awareness. For instance, males don't seem to mind going around looking like cavemen or primtiives, thus they have low-self awareness in that regard. Females, on the other hand, seem to have high self-awareness, but low ability to empathize with others. That is, they can feel compassion, but not truly understand what the other person is going through. Females seem to go on deeper guilt trips. Guilt trips exist due to an inability to fully comprehend someone's suffering. For example, if I shoot a deer, I can do one of two things. I can get over it, realize the deer is in no more pain anymore. Or I can guilt trip about it, because I dont actually understand that the deer's pain only lasted for a second or two, so why am I causing hours upon hours of pain on myself.

Also, all of this applies to women of the 50's only, modern females seem to act like psychopaths or harsh males.
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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:05 am

Both male and female traits are included in each individual.
The degree the masculine or the feminine dominates determines the masculinity/femininity of the individual.
Biology inclines the individual towards one direction to facilitate a reproductive role...but in reproduction, as I said, mutations occur that corrupt the process resulting in a contradiction between the psychology/mind and the physical.

Great thinkers have a strong masculine brain, but also have powerful feminine intuitions.
They are a hybrid where the masculine dominates, but does not ignore or dismiss or reject the feminine.

My ideal female would be, according to Weininger, a female who is dominated by her femininity but does not reject, ignore, dismiss, a powerful masculine side.

Both females and males have a soul as I define soul.
The issue is to properly define words, by connecting them to reality.
Soul = the sum total of an individual organisms past, since the moment of its conception - synthesis of two genetic memories - self.
Spirit = the sum total of an individual's inherited causal chain, stored as memory, representing interactions that preceded its synthesis - Self.

Weininger's Jewishness made him prone towards mystification, and adopting Abrahamic definitions of words.
His hatred of life and nature was displayed as misogyny....the agency of nature.
He wanted a god, absolute male order.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:12 am

Yep, not a big fan of sophistry and I like how you state your definitions clearly. And you are probably right about Otto. Its just, the thing is, you define Spirit as the same as DNA code, which partially makes sense but not fully. Because abominations, such as this mentally ill person trapped in a cage that was biting its own arms over and over, was clearly a spiritual abomination and spiritual sick, because most likely of its DNA. But on the other hand, spirit implies consciousness immaterial, transcendent from the brain or body itself, and since it is immaterial, one cannot actually report or measure consciousness, except through assumption of another's reports.
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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:19 am

Spirit is only self, the past, manifested as presence/appearance.
How you relate to this spirit makes it bad or good.
How is relates to world, makes it sick or healthy.

Spirit implies memories that exist after an individual's death. This concept is represented as 'eternal'.

If it is not protected, sick spirit perishes.
in our time it is given 'rights' and it propagates, leading to cultural decline, and these idiots debating nonsense, suing words, referring to other words.
It is a time when virus' and parasites flourish...as they do in a sick herd.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:38 am

Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse is partly chance.
The circumstances of your life, your inherited potentials make you more resistant to this memetic virus.
Nevertheless, all are exposed to it from birth, in one form or another.
There is no place on this overcrowding earth where nihilism, the name given to this virus, is not used to politically, psychologically, economically manipulate the masses.

Therefore, some self-cleansing will be required.
Younger individuals will have an easier time because the infection accumulated damage over the period of exposure to it.
The mind is warped by viral ideas, nonsensical theories, meaningless concepts, like the body with mutations.
Hygiene must be done, if possible, in quarantine. In isolation, alone.
Others can only provide encouragement and direction no methods they've used to self-cleanse.
Then the individual must commit to a form of mental asceticism; linguistic balance.
From there one can discuss survival in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], populated by these memetic monstrosities.
There are many variations, even if I've used the broader category of Zombie and the parasite I call Vampire.

Surviving in this infested world requires a psychological adjustment, as an adaptation to the virus' psychotic effects.

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PostSubject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:50 pm

Fatalism
Illness could be the mind/body settling for what will protect it from what could prove to be far worse for its well-being – inverse Placebo Effect.
Unable to calculate all the possibilities, the mind turns to madness to protect itself from them, or makes the body ill, forcing it to turn inward, and to raise its autoimmune defences to their maximum.
Cynicism is the same, its reverse being blind faith in the presumes ‘positivity’ of the unknown, or a form of self-induced insanity, sacrificing an ineffective reasoning tool to the complexities of probability; having lost confidence in rationalism, or its own abilities to judge, the mind turns to the irrational, hoping the unknown, chaos, will randomly prove to be better, convincing itself that the random hides a deeper order that will bring about a higher form of order – fatalism.
‘Higher’ is always assumed to be ‘better’ for the individual.

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This guy is on the right track...


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