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PostSubject: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 12:25 pm

For friend & fiend hoping to make it a bit more challenging, understanding that this is unlikely because knowing is not understanding - knowing may imitate the manifestation of understanding but it cannot imitate its essence.
For the morons, disclaimer:

Place this in the "word salad" mixing bowl, or "contraptions/clouds" airiness, in your tiny minds.
More a test than training.
Nothing is certain; all is a theory, a hypothesis, necessitating an alternative which is superior.
Easily linguistically denied and rejected by desperate degenerates. [see desperate degenerate thread]
Right is Might


Preliminary definitions {all definitions refer to tangible, experienced, observable, testable phenomena}:
Human/Nature, a dual concept like free-will.
Human = species falling within a range of inherited potentials - probabilities - manifesting as an appearance [phenomenon] and behaviour (patterns of activity), i.e., survival and reproductive strategy cultivating specific mental and physical traits that differentiate man form other species/life.
Nature = sum of all past/nurturing - natural selection adjusted, in the last 2-3 thousand years by social selection (ideological selection) - survival of the fittest replaced by survival of the idealists.
Gene/Meme
Individuation/Individual = past made present [see Nature] - interpreted by consciousness as appearance.
An individual is not a "thing" but part of a ongoing process, held together by memory - DNA is inherited memories, added to by experiential memories after birth - of the latter there are two kinds: first- & second-hand.
All memories are simplifications/generalizations of experiences/stimuli.

[Below definitions are related but not exact copies of other definitions of the same terms]
Personae/Personality = inherited behaviours determined by organ hierarchies, viz., organ symmetries and proportionalities manifesting specific, but fluctuating over time, strengths and weaknesses - genetic.
Character = adopted role, demeanour, determined by individual will-power, controlling, sublimating, diverting, concealing, an individuals inherited personae/personality - memetic.

All individuals wear social masks, uniforms, identities, to the degree that they have a developed personality.
Feeble minds have little personality and so they identify exclusively with their adopted social image.
[this will become important later on]

Sex/Race are genetic (natural) factors in determining inherited personality [as always this is not a thing, a point, an absolute, but a range of fluctuating, over time, probability].
Adopted characters are socially enforced and determined, ergo they produce a false sense of parity by restricting the range of inherited probabilities to within a socially/culturally (collectively) approved range.
[this, also, is important when considering human "complexity", since it determines how much an individual conceals, represses, sublimates of his personality; again, simpletons have little to conceal and sublimate so they are, and rightfully believe they are, their social/cultural adopted character, and nothing more, or not much more - ergo their simplicity is actual].

Nurture = determines the cultivation of an inherited range of physical/mental, naturally selected and passed on from generation to generation of the same bloodlines, i.e., personae. [here, ethnicity, race, and sex are factors]
Memes determine how much genes will be permitted to cultrate their potentials, and how much will be forced to be concealed, or sublimated, or controlled, or denied altogether as a way of enhancing character performance. [here self-deceit factors in]
Self-Deceit makes the character more believable, multiplying its effect. [again...simpletons have an easier time because there's not much they have to conceal and supress, adding to their conviction that their social character, their social image, is them - be yourself they say, and for them it is easy and inconsequential; because there's not much that challenges and contradicts conventions; t he only thing they conceal is their secret desires and needs, if and when they contradict collective ideals - therefore, for simpletons sexual desire - libido - is usually what is being repressed, sublimated and concealed]
Gender = is sexual character [see Character], or a memetic expression of permissible genetic impulses; imposing limits and semiotic representations to the range of inherited sexual impulses - gender is to sex what character is to personae.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 12:43 pm

The previous is the foundation of what simpletons call "human complexity," or "feminine mystique."
Simpletons cannot comprehend what is above their ability to understand - they simply adopt knowing, and have no understanding.
This makes them inclined towards completely denying self (self-imposed forgetfulness - Lethe)- other factors might be shame, guilt, protecting the ego (lucid self) from threatening objective awareness. [here. memory is a factor]
Subjectivity is a concealment strategy, reaching the level of self-denial - identifying only with the collective or with an abstraction, e.g., god, universe, order, one/nil etc.

Humans are "complex" in as much as they can use semiotics - including language - to fabricate a concealment, a character.
Focusing on actions (interactions) rather than semiotics (linguistics), quickly clarifies character from personality, and exposes deceit.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 12:59 pm

Confusion between empathy and sympathy/antipathy is the inherited, genetic limit simple minds cannot transcend.
With females it is hormonal, since their sexual role is dependent on effectively evaluating another (reading, judging) and integrating herself, by sympathizing with other members of the group - yet, some few females do manage to exceed this hormonal effect.
With males, who must prove themselves worthy to pass on their genes, challenging collective beliefs comes easier - still, inherited genetic limits prohibit the majority from adapting and performing effectively.
Monogamy and ethical rules against adultery, decreases the severity of this inherited deficiency.

Ergo, most males that passed on their genes, in the past, would not have in the present, as paternalistic control declines, along with Empire - destroying the nuclear and the traditional family - destroying the cultural (memetic) fabric, returning to primal practices.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 1:17 pm

The difference between knowing & understanding, and between empathy and sympathy/antipathy is why thee men-children, coming here to "usurps" and "debunk" and "expose" me, Satyr, always fail and make fools of themselves.
They covet the effect, and have no clue as to tis origins - they know it, and attempt o imitate it, but they expose themselves as buffoons because they don';t understand it.
Understanding is build on suffering.
SUFFERING...but, that does not suffice. Suffering must find fertile ground - inherited - to seed wisdom.
This cannot be replicated in a single lifetime.

Nature/Nurture
Genes/Memes

Those who understand, understand, those who don't, but believe they know, them let them carry on.
Determinism, in its essence, is an admittance of a bad inheritance (bad genes, inferior potentials) trying to avenge itself by making it universal; trying to avenge itself by pulling the superior down, by restricting its expression.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 2:43 pm

Identity, what we call self, is not a 'thing' but a range of probabilities, expressing a behavioural range....that cannot exceed inherited (natural) limits, and can only exceed (nurture) cultivated. socially imposed limits, so character can be adjusted not personae.
Only trauma can alter personae, usually downwards but, sometimes, upwards, within one's inherited potentials, i.e., probability range.

"Word salad," right?
Up in the "clouds," right?
Ha!!!
Never change....even if you could - do you have a choice?
If you say 'no,' then you don't...and you never will.
Comfort yourself. It is all inevitable - fate....you could not have ever done otherwise.
Does it matter?
Would it matter, to me?
Your self-imposed limits are none of my concern...I take note of them to...exploit and, if need be, manipulate you.
Like a hypnotist....he identifies, from among the herd, choosing those impressionable simpletons who will place themselves under his control.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 2:46 pm

We all choose a path...towards a destination (objective); we choose one in accordance with our own estimations of ourselves, the effort required, and the destination, as it is imagined.
We suffer the consequences of our subjective estimations...this is natural selection.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 2:56 pm

Once you understand another what you know about them becomes secondary.
Knowing = patters perceived and stored in memory.
Understanding = patters underlying patterns necessitating less memory.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 3:00 pm

Animals and manimals know, without understanding...or with minimal understanding.
Humans may develop understanding that makes their behaviour more complex, depending on their level of self-awareness and understanding, i.e., their intelligence and wisdom...their objectivity.
Animals and manimals are predictable in that they are entirely subjective.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 3:04 pm

Animals and manimals require no ethical codes of conduct, nor a god, to remain moral in their behaviour - it is innate, evolved (naturally selected), requiring no conscious acknowledgement.
Self-declared "a-moralists" behave and think in accordance to these primordial, innate, naturally selected rules, unless they are traumatized early on - while maturing - or suffer from some kind of genetic dysfunctional mutation.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 7:05 pm

Nature, i.e., personae, is nurture's, i.e., character's, fall back position.
When stressed individuals revert back to their true nature, abandoning the cosmetic, learned, socioeconomic/cultural image.
Meme is an extension, not a replacement for genetically inherited impulses, i.e., behavioural patterns.
The manimal lurks right beneath the veneer of civility - sometimes right up against it, like a shadow behind a translucent uniform/mask.
Try to observe others when they think they aren't being watched. Wait for the manimal to peek out...sometimes so quick that you may not notice its slip-up. It then looks around, hoping it was not seen.

Trauma, pathos, anything that makes it lose control exposes an individual true nature.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 7:12 pm

Those who deny self are those who fear the inner manimal.
They declare it non-existent....and they are made uncomfortable by those who can see it.
They know not themselves.
They know not anything other than the veneer, the character/caricature they perform daily...even to themselves.

Such individuals are usually sexually repressed, exhibiting fetishes that expresses what they deny; suffering from dreams that trouble them.
The manimal lurks...and it will find a way out through sleep or pathos - whenever ego (lucid self) looses its grip on will.

Those that deny self are saying this body is not I; this performance is not I.
But I is entirely action.
There is no self that acts - self is the act.
Even the caricature exposes the manimal beneath it; the performance is restricted by the body's proportions, symmetries and potentials.
Deceit remains a selected part of its range of probabilities.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 7:17 pm

Those who know not themselves cannot conceal themselves.
They know not what to conceal - what pattern exposes them.
Those who deny the self altogether - because they cannot know themselves - are the most transparent of them all; those who deny human nature exists, are the most dominated by it.

Nihilism is semiotic concealment of the manimal within.
A linguistic uniform to cover it all up with adopted symbols and learned imitations.
Pay no attention to what the man says...the manimal acts are what you must look for.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 08, 2022 7:22 pm

Baseline...
Find an individual's baseline and juxtapose all tis actions/behaviours.
This will expose tis deceptions.
Behavioural patterns, validated over time - creating a baseline - will deceive by breaking their own pattern.

The symbols/words chosen will indicate - directly or indirectly - what it wishes to conceal.
Intelligence and self-awarness will determine if this concealment will be direct or indirect.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptySat Sep 10, 2022 3:57 pm

A healthy female who truly appreciates a man wants to combine and replicate him with herself; making herself a means, and him her end.
A level of selflessness is essential, brought on hormonally. She experiences this as intoxicating love/lust, lasting only so long as it is necessary - seven-year itch.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptySun Sep 11, 2022 6:06 am


My own weakness...female butts.

*7/10 ratio.
Size and shape - proportionality indicating functionality - health, i.e., higher probabilities for success.

*Feminine mind/body are a kind of self-handicapping, sacrificing independence to multiply reproductive and cooperative potentials.

*Self-Handicapping has been explored on KTS, in regards to male sexuality, e.g., signalling a male's ability to endure.
Forms of animals self-handicapping: disproportionately large antlers, tails; focus on energy consuming competitions, like fighting.
Forms of human masculine self-handicapping: risk taking, overpriced and superfluous symbols, e.g., sportscars, motorcycles, expensive watches, suits, homes etc.

*Evaluation (judgement) and choice (selection) are necessary - ergo free-will, where will indicates intent (objective) and freedom indicates range of available and accessible options (power).

*The Nietzsche allegory concerning an oversized ear may be related to the postmodern diminishment of Hellenic sight and an overemphasises on Judaic hearsay....to listen to logos, to hear a command, to hear the truth even if you cannot see it.
Postmoderns Americanised reject the body, the seen, and only accept what they've been told, evaluating it by quantity and crescendo - loud and repeating = true.

*De-wordling = defining concepts out of existence, so that the ideas can be heard, symbolized, but cannot be seen other than as symbols.
Words referring to words, never to actions (interactions, i.e., tangible, dynamic).

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 15, 2022 6:01 pm

An artist places his creations between himself and his audience.
Even admirers must be kept at a safe distance, only permitted to approach through them through their art.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyThu Sep 15, 2022 6:03 pm

We never forgive our friends their dishonesty, and our enemies their honesty.

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Self-inflicted physical damage is the mind’s open admission of an incurable dissatisfaction.

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PostSubject: Re: Human Nature Human Nature EmptyTue Apr 04, 2023 6:06 pm

Immersed in our Abrahamic, modernistic, Americanised proactive thinking man forgets that a man should not always intervene but can accomplish more by withholding action, and allowing things to unfold and progress to their natural end.
We ought not to do anything to rid mankind of degeneracy, but only withhold our intervention and let nature do the work for us.

As usual, lefties assume they are the revolutionary ones because they worship change, when change is inevitable. the true reactionary spirit is the one that wants to stop or direct change.

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