But maybe he cant free them. what i don't understand, is why doesn't Hannibal either kill her or forget about her?
Perhaps it's because you've bought into Lecter's inhumanity. He is the most human person in the movie; the most noble spirit.
He kills to rid the world of what confronts his aesthetic tastes; he cleanses the world of garbage.
But he is lonely, as he is rare.
With Will he sees a kindred spirit which he exceeds but that reminds him of himself. He tells Will this so as to gain an advantage by flustering him.
With Clarisse there's the sexual element. With her he senses potential; a mate.
Third-eye wrote:
For example, Lector tells Clarisse that she loves the FBI bureau almost more than the "husband and children that she gave up to it". Meaning that she hates her past and her own identity and her own life so much that she has chosen to completely immerse herself in mindless success in a career and service to authority and recognition because she has nothing else inside of her to nurture.
She's institutionalized.
Third-eye wrote:
In other words, she is a total lost cause even if she is a little like Hannibal, like you said. She is too far gone. She can't be changed. Doesn't Hannibal realize this?
You should read the books rather than going by the Hollywood ending they provided for you. In the movie they give it a twist which returns you to the social conventions: evil pays a price; it is maimed, unloved, defeated, though he escapes.
In Harris' books the ending is very different. Hannibal does not only not lose a hand but Clarisse runs away with him to South America. The black orderly bumps into him in an opera house in Argentina where he has gone for his honeymoon, which he's combined with his quet to see all of Vermeer's works.
He sees Hannibal from behind and hides....pulling his wife out of the opera house and away. He knows that if Hannibal sees him and Sterling - because she is there next to Lecter - he is as good as dead.
Third-eye wrote:
I mean he chops off his own hand for her. i probably would have just killed her, and THEN cut off my hand. lol
See, this is where Hollywood steps in to sell you the cultural lie.
Third-eye wrote:
I guess what im saying is that, even if Will and Clarisse are special to him, they are still nothing more than servants of authority.
Will, yes...but with him Lecter is not interested in freeing him from servitude. He only wishes to take him off his game by reminding him that, despite himself, he is far more animistic than he would like to believe.
With Sterling it is sexual. He wants to be her father figure, with Freudian undertones. She has lost her father to the "job". She is becoming dissilusioned by the F.B.I.'s practices. She feels more similar to Hannibal than her own fellow officers.
They try to scapegoat her...and she turns on them. In the book she runs off with Hannibal.
Fuck the Hollywood ending. That's part of the brainwashing.
this is my interpretation:
lecter is based on a nazi figure, also called lecter. the reason is he is fixated on "garbage," is that was actually what nazis called their victims. the word is "goy," or "goyim." this is not the same as being a non-jew, obviously. this was what ashkenazis called everyone who wasn't them.
it is not aesthetic, as that is an attempt to civilize what is a very base instinct.
clarisse had no interest in lecter sexually. that would be a product of lecter's solipsistic nature. what he wants from clarisse is a way to steal her gifts genetically.
that's about it. as an aside, the study of lecter was actually the beginning of hannah arendt's "the banality of evil."
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It's always nice to have every subject return to the same old, demonic symbols.
Say anything honest about any subject, and see how fast Hitler, Nazis, the war, hate are brought up.
A Nazi is integrated into a system...Lecter is outside the system. He acts in accordance to his more refined aesthetics, and answers to nobody and follows no ideology.
Ardent was another woman...not much there.
By the way, the books end differently than the movies...and both Clarisse and Lecter see in each other a means...and are interested in each other genetically.
When a man likes a woman's ass, or when a woman likes a man's height, or finds him charming, funny, both are evaluating each other's genes. Time to grow up, sweetie. The other is always a means to an end.
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Lyssa Har Har Harr
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clarisse had no interest in lecter sexually. that would be a product of lecter's solipsistic nature. what he wants from clarisse is a way to steal her gifts genetically.
Sex is Rape, right?
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It's always nice to have every subject return to the same old, demonic symbols.
Say anything honest about any subject, and see how fast Hitler, Nazis, the war, hate are brought up.
A Nazi is integrated into a system...Lecter is outside the system. He acts in accordance to his more refined aesthetics, and answers to nobody and follows no ideology.
Ardent was another woman...not much there.
By the way, the books end differently than the movies...and both Clarisse and Lecter see in each other a means...and are interested in each other genetically.
When a man likes a woman's ass, or when a woman likes a man's height, or finds him charming, funny, both are evaluating each other's genes. Time to grow up, sweetie. The other is always a means to an end.
there is a reason for why that happens. our entire culture worldwide was affected by the holocaust. and some things are just true. lecter was a nazi. that's where that particular branch of that "demonic symbol" started.
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You know if they ever make a movie about the holocaust the Native Americans endured, or the Armenians...I'll pay the price to go and see it...even if it does not have the special effects and the big names to make it sexy.
Are you sure there were 6 million and not 1.5 million? 'Cause the Russians lost 20 million.
the holocaust (the one we know as the holocaust) was many multiples of the given figures. the farther reaching body counts are all connected. yes, russia lost 20 million during the 10 years directly surrounding the war. they lost many more after as a direct effect.
another interesting, and little known, fact about the holocaust was how many blacks were killed. europe was very racially integrated prior to WWII. if we were to do a list of ethnical groups and deaths, it would go something like this:
black/jew asian middle eastern latino/hispanic (including north american indians)
(this is by our current divisions, which do not really include separate categories for european ethnicity.)
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the holocaust (the one we know as the holocaust) was many multiples of the given figures. the farther reaching body counts are all connected. yes, russia lost 20 million during the 10 years directly surrounding the war. they lost many more after as a direct effect.
another interesting, and little known, fact about the holocaust was how many blacks were killed. europe was very racially integrated prior to WWII. if we were to do a list of ethnical groups and deaths, it would go something like this:
black/jew asian middle eastern latino/hispanic (including north american indians)
(this is by our current divisions, which do not really include separate categories for european ethnicity.)
What's the difference between a holocost and the slow mental poisoning by judeo-Xt. morality since the day they divided the world into real and unreal... Tell me how is one to assess the mediocrity of our species thanks to your innocent jewish values.
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"ἐδιζησάμην ἐμεωυτόν." [Heraclitus]
"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]
"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]
the holocaust (the one we know as the holocaust) was many multiples of the given figures. the farther reaching body counts are all connected. yes, russia lost 20 million during the 10 years directly surrounding the war. they lost many more after as a direct effect.
another interesting, and little known, fact about the holocaust was how many blacks were killed. europe was very racially integrated prior to WWII. if we were to do a list of ethnical groups and deaths, it would go something like this:
black/jew asian middle eastern latino/hispanic (including north american indians)
(this is by our current divisions, which do not really include separate categories for european ethnicity.)
What's the difference between a holocost and the slow mental poisoning by judeo-Xt. morality since the day they divided the world into real and unreal... Tell me how is one to assess the mediocrity of our species thanks to your innocent jewish values.
i'm not interested in engaging with you anymore. we are moving on.
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There is only one more area, only for the few. You do not have the requirements...the "credentials", to access it.
Someone, amongst the few, must sponsor you and then your nomination must be approved by moi and apaosha, the guardian of the keep.
you are one crazy chick.
Besides, in your mind I am all these monikers and alone...so it's me, myself, and I, against you. A bit more of this rule breaking and off to the Dungeon you go.
I do hope the accommodations there are up to your standards.
There is only one more area, only for the few. You do not have the requirements...the "credentials", to access it.
Someone, amongst the few, must sponsor you and then your nomination must be approved by moi and apaosha, the guardian of the keep.
you are one crazy chick.
Besides, in your mind I am all these monikers and alone...so it's me, myself, and I, against you. A bit more of this rule breaking and off to the Dungeon you go.
I do hope the accommodations there are up to your standards.
excuse me, but you are not a moderator. nor have i broken any rules. please note my guidelines posted in the dungeon.
i have no idea what you mean by "in my mind you are all of these monikers." there have been two icons posted besides mine since i have started. satyr and lyssa.
this is not a product of my mind, but of the website. either you already know this and are using it specifically to get away with something, or you don't know it, and you are the one who has a problem.
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Satyr and I are two Different people. Tell me if you got that First! Then lets proceed.
Pay no attention, she's nuts.
Narcissism...she thinks she has such an effect people follow her.
Like from a movie scene....fact is stranger than fiction. She would be taken for a witch, in another age...probably burned, or cast out of the tribe. Today she's put in a mental ward, then released, with medication, to spread her crazy. She, too, should be loved.
The Satyr and Lyssa are one person theme comes up often. Maybe we are one?
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Lyssa Har Har Harr
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the holocaust (the one we know as the holocaust) was many multiples of the given figures. the farther reaching body counts are all connected. yes, russia lost 20 million during the 10 years directly surrounding the war. they lost many more after as a direct effect.
another interesting, and little known, fact about the holocaust was how many blacks were killed. europe was very racially integrated prior to WWII. if we were to do a list of ethnical groups and deaths, it would go something like this:
black/jew asian middle eastern latino/hispanic (including north american indians)
(this is by our current divisions, which do not really include separate categories for european ethnicity.)
What's the difference between a holocost and the slow mental poisoning by judeo-Xt. morality since the day they divided the world into real and unreal... Tell me how is one to assess the mediocrity of our species thanks to your innocent jewish values.
i'm not interested in engaging with you anymore. we are moving on.
Just admit you've already come with a made-up programmed mind fed with federal statistics and system approved credentials and not interested in any genuine debate.
You are a Fake.
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"ἐδιζησάμην ἐμεωυτόν." [Heraclitus]
"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]
"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]
*Become clean, my friends.*
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How incredibly simplistic but presumably quite comforting for a sheeple mind.
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another interesting, and little known, fact about the holocaust was how many blacks were killed.
Blacks already have their own begging bowl and rights-entitlement holocaust gifted to them by white liberals/Jews which Afro[ec]centrics have termed the 'Maafa'.
As for your suggestion that the figures are grossly under reported I would like to see the evidence in another thread.
Apologies for the off topic post.
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Jerome “Jerry,” Siegel and Joe Shuster are the two Jews who invented the character of Superman.The name is an anglicised version of the German Übermensch. Is it shocking to discover how the original Jew conception was of a villain?
To make it more marketable for an American public of mostly young, European, boys, they changed his moral alignment into a “good” guy, but made him a protector of all the slavish, Judeo-Christian, herd-morality, their kind depends upon to remain relevant.
Man of Steele
Another one of those comic-book productions with the same message: if you have extraordinary qualities, you must surrender them to the service of the mediocre. Remember The Matrix? Those awakened ones had to risk their lives, their freedom, to save the sleepers....no reason is given. The morality is so ingrained in the majority that it is logical, in harmony with their world-view. Batman resists the Joker's taunts. He serves the people. The very ones that would condemn him to jail if they had the chance and they knew who he was. The mask is his cover...his social persona. In this case the lie is reversed. His real face is Batman, his mask is Bruce Wayne.
Same thing applies for Superman. He must wear his real face, glasses excluded, when he is himself....because the inferior ones will not forgive him his power. But he is enslaved. He is powerful only in comparison; only around a yellow sun, on earth, does he have extraordinary abilities; only in comparison to the earthlings, the average, the base. When confronted by his own kind, those not indoctrinated in modern American moralities, those living amongst the stars, he is ordinary....weak, because of his mental constraints. He tolerated bullying as a child, when he could smash their heads it, without ever displaying anything "supernatural". But the movie producers will not have it. The message must be preserved and repeated: the superior must lower himself, degrade himself, permit the mediocre to abuse him. Political-correctness must be saved, so that the continuously decreasing average, can be sheltered from reality. This self-constraint, this shameless humility, is his penance for being extraordinary.
In one of the fight scenes with the female (Faora) from Crypton ("hidden" in Greek - also an allusion to the Spartan practice where, the story goes, youths were tested by releasing them into the wild, to survive using their wits, and where they were expected to soil their hands, for the first time, with the the blood of a helot) goes into Superman's moralistic weakness. He, Superman, being infected by the same disease his earthly father had, and subsequently passed on to him. He Superman, the term becoming sarcastic, is getting beaten up by one of the female's of his kind. He's become mentally soft.
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Faora:You’re weak, son of El; unsure of yourself. The fact [beating up Cal-El] that you have a sense of morality and we do not gives us an Evolutionary Advantage. And if there's one thing that History teaches us it's that Evolution always wins.
Faora is a despicable version of a female warrior, for the average man. A warrior princess: both attractive and strong; both feminine, sexy, attractive, and masculine, strong, unyielding, unforgiving.
The producers neglect to mention that all have morals, and that Superman's just happen to be slavish, herd, Judeo-Christian, in nature. And of course, the movie ends with her defeat, because feminism cannot stand in the way of power, though it comes in a female form, winning over meekness. How else could it have ended? How else could it have been permitted to end? Evolution loses. Human delusions win.
His true father is portrayed an Ionian character, confronted by the Doric Zod.
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Jor-El:What are you doing Zod? This is madness. Zod:What I should have done years ago. These law makers with their endless debates have led Krypton to ruin. Jor-El: And if your forces prevail you’ll be the leader of nothing. Then join me. Help me save out race. We’ll start anew. We’ll sever the degenerate bloodlines that led us to this state. Jor-El:And who will decide which bloodlines survive, Zod? You? Zod:Don’t do this El. The last thing I want is for us to be enemies. Jor-El: You’ve abandoned the principles that held us together; you’ve taken up the sword against your own people. I will honor the man you once were, Zod, not this monster you’ve become.
A dilemma that is supposed to cause doubt: who will be in charge if we get rid of this decay? The dilemma is resolved in a stalemate. If Jar-El cannot guarantee that his bloodline will pass on, through Zod's cleansing, then nobody's bloodlines will pass on. Jar-El agrees with Zod, but he has a secret, plan. He is a hypocrite. He has already increased his own bloodline's survival using clandestine means, and so will never become "second" to Zod and his clan. Jar-El is a hypocrite. He abandons his “together” to decay, prefers their demise rather than siding with a man he agrees with but cannot accept his rule, but has made plans to preserve his own bloodline, in secret. Does this sound familiar?
A repetition of the “madness” accusation, reminiscent of that other anti-Doric film 300. Sparta, in that case was described by the Persian emissary as mad. Here Jar-El repeats the label, reinforcing it as one applicable to this Doric world-view. The question hovers in the air between them...and between the screen and the audience: "Who will decide which bloodlines survive?" And because no decision can be made (who would dare take the responsibility; who would dare expose his selfishness?), decay must be permitted to continue. Jor-El, as a representative of the decay, the one who made it possible and allowed it to reach its end, surrenders himself to the inevitable, unable to make a choice, to sacrifice to be brave, discriminating, selfish. He is caught in the Athenian verbosity of Socratic skepticism. No absolute can be decided upon so letting the course of time sweep man away is the only "moral" thing to do. When he saves his son, it is for a "greater good". He must veil his masculine egotism in a salve's duplicity.
The Civilization must be preserved, by remaining loyal to the bonding principles. Here, the Ionian plays on the Doric psychology. He wants him to stand-down, in submission to the law, or left with, as he says, “nothing”. The “no-thing” implies that without the herd no man, no group of men has anything – the manipulation of the social instinct and an allusion to a ‘more-is-more’ anti-Doric perspective. Zod is left with “nothing”, only within the value judgments of Jor-El.
The only morality being that "we either ascend together or descend as one". Because this together is what causes the descent to begin with, the morality is infused with its own decay. The many will overpower the one; quantity will destroy or imprison or degrade quality; all will be offered love, respect, compassion, and the rights all men are given by Divine providence, propagating the mutations that weaken the whole and lead it to its own destruction. Superman is a contradiction. He lives because his own father had to moralize, his egotistical act. He had to make it "profound", by connecting it to some "higher" ideal, which has no face, and no body; he had to dehumanize it. The moralistic infection is clever, insidious, duplicitous. Life (survival) takes second place to its imperative...like Abraham with the knife at his son's throat. Before the authority of the divine calling, the shared code, nothing can stand: not civilization, not honesty, not consciousness, not nobility, not even blood.
The mindless audience sits there, eyes wide, sucking-in this often repeated message. They enjoy the explosions, the special effects, the sound quality, knowing that all will turn out well in the end, all the while being brainwashed with a comforting, self-serving (selfish) message of selflessness. They exit the theater feeling lighter: evil will not win, their secret is safe in its shared lies, what matters is indiscriminate togetherness. Not even a Superman, from an alien planet, can escape the gravity of that Black Hole.[/center]
"Anderson’s Master draws inspiration from the real-life rise of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard during the 1950s, but the 5-time Oscar-nominated filmmaker clearly has higher aspirations than to create a backdoor biopic about the man who founded a mysterious religious/cult organization that so many famous Hollywood players (Tom Cruise, John Travolta, etc.) subscribe to with unbridled devotion.
The project instead appears to use Hubbard’s story as a stepping stone to stage a greater allegory about how American society attempted to hide its disillusionment in the aftermath of WW II beneath a veneer of wholesome values and morality. That assessment is based on the Master trailer, where we see Sutton try (and fail at) respectable occupations, such as farm work and family photography – before he becomes the right-hand man to Dodd, under the (misguided) belief that his newfound devotion can save him".
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It truly exemplifies Amor fati. All actions echo for eternity, knowledge of that alone satisfies the soul. Even thou the horror; great sufferings are noble and thus not to be regretted.
Sex is Rape, right? 
