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phoneutria wrote:

perpetualburn wrote:

Be careful not to project what isn't there "imbesil"

Are you going to make the case that this forum is not a lair of nietzscheans... you, from the nietzsche forum old guard?

What's a Nietzschean? And what's the Nietzsche forum old guard?

phoneutria wrote:

Above all what, dear? What is it that made us great which we no longer have, and who is the bastard that did that to us?

Above all the power of instinct that runs like a current beneath us and is rarely tapped. The ambition to be the hero.

Religion took it away with its ideals of paternalism and all beings being equal in the eyes of their "God" figure that replaced the old heroes and took it one step further and made that hero inaccessible and unattainable. Then slave woman took it away with our notions of belonging to and needing our mates to be more "sensitive" and "emotional" drawing down the hero male even further, emasculating him. And then they medicated the majority of the rest to try to keep the deviance at a minimum.

We have no leaders. We have only politicians.  They are not the same thing.

Satyr wrote:

So, let this Imbecile, with his MENSA IQ, be the priest.
Why not?

I accept.

Here's a factoid that you'll love to use against me, my great grandfather was a priest. He even turned down his Lordship title in order to take on the position. Though I wouldn't have inherited it anyway, I have an older brother.

Imbesil wrote:

Shockingly there is more to me, which has far greater weight in determining my identity. I even have my own ideas, including my own philosophy

Samples?

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Good question. I seem to be able to completely emotionally dominate certain types of women because I have an uncanny ability to know them inside out within an extremely short time frame (their admittance), and to make them more comfortable around me than they are by themselves.

What is this type/s of woman?

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I'm not too shabby to look at, people think I know everything and see me as uncommonly content, and I can make people laugh much and often. I'm musically talented and well co-ordinated in general, I can dance well with you with zero training, or simply move and respond highly agreeably in the situations where it counts. Being well endowed helps. Many don't know what to make of me and wonder what there is to me. Which is great.

How do you explain the 'occasional' part?

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What are you selected for?

I'll be doing the selecting ; )

Imbesil wrote:

Honestly, it's been nearly a decade since I read Nietzsche, and I still know more than anything that I've noticed being associated with Nietzsche here. If Mo knows more then so be it, I didn't even know he bothered with this place. Are there any other contenders for me to not care about?

Why'd you stop?

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Good question. I seem to be able to completely emotionally dominate certain types of women because I have an uncanny ability to know them inside out within an extremely short time frame (their admittance), and to make them more comfortable around me than they are by themselves. I'm not too shabby to look at, people think I know everything and see me as uncommonly content, and I can make people laugh much and often. I'm musically talented and well co-ordinated in general, I can dance well with you with zero training, or simply move and respond highly agreeably in the situations where it counts. Being well endowed helps. Many don't know what to make of me and wonder what there is to me. Which is great.

What types of women are these?

Imbesil wrote:

Satyr wrote:

So, let this Imbecile, with his MENSA IQ, be the priest.
Why not?

I accept.

Here's a factoid that you'll love to use against me, my great grandfather was a priest. He even turned down his Lordship title in order to take on the position. Though I wouldn't have inherited it anyway, I have an older brother.

We won't hold this against you...no more than declaring yourself a "genius" will affect us, me.

We'll use your performance, here, now, to judge you.
The rest you can continue using on ILP.
Who...the....fuck....cares?

The only "expert" I claim to be is about reality....including humans.
I've lived, in reality (I hope) for nearly half a century, and during this time I've dealt with humans, of every shape, color, sex and size.
Having listened to humans for almost half a century, I can safely say that in comparison to them I am a fuckin EXPERT!!!!

Experts on excerpts, or experts on what someone else said about reality  and humans make me yawn...in that pretentious condescending way displaying, patronizing, indifference.

My IQ is 100.
Prove me wrong.

Arditezza wrote:

No, the weakest and dimmest should be drowned at birth if the seed should even take effect.

As for culture, we have no culture to speak of that will be important or remembered two hundred years from now.  They will only remember the history, and even that will be shaped and censored by the same common filters that are in place today if we are to keep going as we do now.

Our culture is a joke. We have no heroes. We have no lands to conquer. We have no glory to attain.

We all just sit around mentally masturbating, believing ourselves to be "above all that" when it was what made us truly great in times that it mattered. Now, we are little people with little to gain and little to lose.  All we are is petty little material junkies with very little deviance.

While, that's true, that's not who I identify with. Maybe you do? With the resigned? Ideas never die and so the past is never obsolete, although the efforts are on-going. Heroism, nobility is an atttitude that is spirit-birthing and where actions have equal and opp. reactions,,, uniform convergence also lead to divergent splinterings and re-unions based on shared memetic ideals.
Are you a pagan/i.E.?

Arditezza wrote:

Above all the power of instinct that runs like a current beneath us and is rarely tapped. The ambition to be the hero.
We have no leaders. We have only politicians.  They are not the same thing.

Every culture has its own kind of hero.

What kind of hero/heroic ideal is yours? What do you stand for?

Lyssa wrote:

Are you a pagan/i.E.?

I am not a pagan in the ritualistic sense, no. Do I understand and align myself with some of their ideas? Sure. But I could say the same thing for Hedonism.

I subscribe to ideologies that ensure my survival and enjoyment of life, while trying not to harm anyone else spiritually or otherwise.

Lyssa wrote:

Imbesil wrote:

Shockingly there is more to me, which has far greater weight in determining my identity. I even have my own ideas, including my own philosophy

Samples?

It's currently only metaphysical and based on the logical application to ontological and epistemological fundaments, such as the fact that there is no nothing with which to divide existence, therefore it is continuous. The "subject" is only ever conceivable as the object of conception, and therefore contradicts itself as a concept, and thus its relative opposite "the object" simultaneously loses its relative meaning. Thus in order to impose (as a "subject") an understanding of existence in discrete terms is fundamentally illogical, and one must draw upon other values with which to construct a reality. From this basis, it is then possible to evaluate these different value sets and all the truths that may subsequently emerge.
I propose "experience" as the fundamental substance of existence: the concrete complement to the abstract term. Thus I have titled it "Experientialism" - a play on the synthesis of Existentialism and Essentialism, from which it draws in equal measure.

Lyssa wrote:

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Good question. I seem to be able to completely emotionally dominate certain types of women because I have an uncanny ability to know them inside out within an extremely short time frame (their admittance), and to make them more comfortable around me than they are by themselves.

What is this type/s of woman?

I would class them as musicians, though not in the instrumental sense but in the Dionysian sense - and with "music" in terms of its derivation from "the Muses". They are a direct agent unto their emotions with any societal facade maximally transparent. Of course there is a degree of Apollonian order to their being, but if I'm honest it's never particularly advanced - though I've not met any where it is. But it's the artistic ability to move without compromise, to give me something unashamedly real to work with that I'm looking for. That and the measurements of an appealing instrument - I am superficial as well.

Lyssa wrote:

How do you explain the 'occasional' part?

I will go a long time looking for the best. Discoveries are rare and all the sweeter for their intermittent unveiling.

Lyssa wrote:

I'll be doing the selecting ; )

This is a Feminism thread, are you a Feminist?

Arditezza wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

Are you a pagan/i.E.?

I subscribe to ideologies that ensure my survival and enjoyment of life, while trying not to harm anyone else spiritually or otherwise.

How do you expect real heroism and heroic cultures without factoring in pain and suffering?

Who's your hero, if any?

Satyr wrote:

Having listened to humans for almost half a century, I can safely say that in comparison to them I am a fuckin EXPERT!!!!

That's the spirit!

Satyr wrote:

Experts on excerpts...

Very nice.

Satyr wrote:

My IQ is 100.
Prove me wrong.

Ok.

Lyssa wrote:

Arditezza wrote:

Above all the power of instinct that runs like a current beneath us and is rarely tapped. The ambition to be the hero.
We have no leaders. We have only politicians.  They are not the same thing.

Every culture has its own kind of hero.

What kind of hero/heroic ideal is yours?  What do you stand for?

A hero is a man who's actions (not just ideologies) inspire, lead, promote and otherwise ensure our livelihood. He is someone with the presence and command to stir up respect, loyalty and allegiance to him in his family, business and community life. He is the one artists paint, on who writers write books and poetry and philosophers hold debates about. He is someone people remember as a powerful influence.

As for me, I am woman. I get the distinct pleasure of being with a man who holds that kind of power. He tends to be more lustful, more trustworthy, and more reliable than any other kind of man. I also respect him as I am also respected for who I am and what my role is and treated like the woman I am because of it.

Lyssa wrote:

How do you expect real heroism and heroic cultures without factoring in pain and suffering?

Who's your hero, if any?  

There is no existence without suffering. It's not possible in any species, we can only hope to do the least amount of harm. There will always be people who suffer, but the goal of a hero is to champion that which causes the least amount and still provides for the people who follow him. It should be the goal of the weak to be a hero, to fight his way to the top so that he has less suffering.  Struggle makes a better man.

In short, you can't expect life without suffering at any level.

If we build a house and many of the bricks are weaker than the others, what happens to that house when it ages?  Despite the strength of the better bricks, the whole thing will topple regardless of how the stronger bricks hold together.

As to your question about my hero.  My hero is the man who leads his family and community honestly. I married the closest hero I could find to that ideal, but we all have flaws.  This one has the least amount of flaws that might weaken him as a man.

Imbesil wrote:

It's currently only metaphysical and based on the logical application to ontological and epistemological fundaments, such as the fact that there is no nothing with which to divide existence, therefore it is continuous. The "subject" is only ever conceivable as the object of conception, and therefore contradicts itself as a concept, and thus its relative opposite "the object" simultaneously loses its relative meaning. Thus in order to impose (as a "subject") an understanding of existence in discrete terms is fundamentally illogical, and one must draw upon other values with which to construct a reality. From this basis, it is then possible to evaluate these different value sets and all the truths that may subsequently emerge.
I propose "experience" as the fundamental substance of existence: the concrete complement to the abstract term. Thus I have titled it "Experientialism" - a play on the synthesis of Existentialism and Essentialism, from which it draws in equal measure.

Is this related to process philosophy? By substance, you mean units of experience?

And regressing this a little, it would mean a belief in the presence of an intelligence/design/consciousness, although I get it, not of the mind-body kind... mind itself as a proto-'experience'?  

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I would class them as musicians, though not in the instrumental sense but in the Dionysian sense - and with "music" in terms of its derivation from "the Muses". They are a direct agent unto their emotions with any societal facade maximally transparent. Of course there is a degree of Apollonian order to their being, but if I'm honest it's never particularly advanced - though I've not met any where it is.

How does Apollonian order manifest here? - musical sensibility?  

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This is a Feminism thread, are you a Feminist?

"Discoveries are rare and all the sweeter for their intermittent unveiling."
Are you?

Arditezza wrote:

A hero is a man who's actions (not just ideologies) inspire, lead, promote and otherwise ensure our livelihood.

Ah...not a thinker, but a doer.
Thinking not being an action.

More Napoleon than Goethe.  

Arditezza wrote:

He is someone with the presence and command to stir up respect, loyalty and allegiance to him in his family, business and community life.

So, more inherited charisma than awareness as charisma.

Arditezza wrote:

 He is the one artists paint, on who writers write books and poetry and philosophers hold debates about.  He is someone people remember as a powerful influence.

The total, ideal, package....artist, thinker, doer, warrior, charismatic, tall, dark, handsome, muscular, big dick, good lover, caring, sensitive, humorous...

Would you like a "leap over tall buildings" or can you live without that?

While we're at menus...and you?
What, the fuck, have you to offer that is comparable?
Your twat?
A gaping hole, willing and open for service?

HA!!!

Arditezza wrote:

As for me, I am woman. I get the distinct pleasure of being with a man who holds that kind of power.  He tends to be more lustful, more trustworthy, and more reliable than any other kind of man.  I also respect him as I am also respected for who I am and what my role is and treated like the woman I am because of it.

Know what I want, right now?
A nice, cold, vanilla milkshake...and a gun.
I'm thinking of blowing my brains out.
.

Satyr wrote:

Ah...not a thinker, but a doer.
Thinking not being an action.

More Napoleon than Goethe.  

Goethe wrote. That is an action.

There are plenty of men who think and do not write. Do not open themselves up for debate and/or inspiration. Goethe is as much of a hero as Napoleon and just as flawed. I'm not looking for not flawed. I already stated that.

Satyr wrote:

So, more inherited charisma than awareness as charisma.

No a man knows when he is leading. He inspires himself and that charisma shines through. It is not inherited, but earned through careful consideration as to how to move people to be just as inspired.

Satyr wrote:

The total, ideal, package....artist, thinker, doer, warrior, charismatic, tall, dark, handsome, muscular, big dick, good lover, caring, sensitive, humorous...

Would you like a "leap over tall buildings" or can you live without that?

While we're at menus...and you?
What, the fuck, have you to offer that is comparable?
Your twat?
A gaping hole, willing and open for service?

HA!!!

Not all those things at once, nor in one package. As I have said, all men have short comings, all men have areas in which they excel. The world doesn't need one hero. It needs many of them.

And not just my twat, but it's ability to provide him offspring that he can bring up to be inspired men or women in their own right. To show them that grabbing the brass ring is a noble intention, not one they should be ashamed of. I am particularly good at it, I gave him not one but two sons.

But he also respects me for my own personal strength of character. My ability to keep pace with him on debate topics and my thirst for knowledge. But what he admires most is my compassion for others that drives me to care lovingly for my family and my community members.

Satyr wrote:

Know what I want, right now?
A nice, cold, vanilla milkshake.

Milkshakes are loaded with calories and fat.

Arditezza wrote:

Goethe wrote. That is an action.  

Ah, so thinking and writing it down IS an action.
I gotcha.

Arditezza wrote:

No a man knows when he is leading.  He inspires himself and that charisma shines through.  It is not inherited, but earned through careful consideration as to how to move people to be just as inspired.

I see.
Intriguing.

Arditezza wrote:

And not just my twat, but it's ability to provide him offspring that he can bring up to be inspired men or women in their own right.  To show them that grabbing the brass ring is a noble intention, not one they should be ashamed of.  I am particularly good at it, I gave him not one but two sons.

 

You married a "hero"?!

Satyr wrote:

You married a "hero"?!

Measured against most men, I would say yes.

Are you not someone who inspires others, who has a distinct loyal following, and one who has a wife and child who you lead?

Would they not say the same of you? If not, why not?

Ask your followers.

Good.

I'm only interested in your values.

Christian?

Satyr wrote:

Christian?

Don't insult me.

Religion is a corrupt form of paternalism and just as detestable.

Niiice...

Carry on.

We've had all these conversations before, dear. On many different fora as many different names. Wanderer, Satyr, et al.

Doesn't matter if it's sciforums, ILP, Philosophy forums. We've always been mostly on the same page.

Lyssa wrote:

Is this related to process philosophy? By substance, you mean units of experience?

The primary stage, the establishment of the foundation of continuous experience is not process philosophy. Herein lies the connection with Essentialism. The secondary stage is indeed related to process philosophy, well spotted. Though process philosophy requires a base in order to stand up by itself, and that is what I have provided for it - along with a specific position from which to begin its process.

Lyssa wrote:

And regressing this a little, it would mean a belief in the presence of an intelligence/design/consciousness, although I get it, not of the mind-body kind... mind itself as a proto-'experience'?

Not so much intelligence nor design, but consciousness yes. If you are familiar with him, George Berkeley has been a significant influence in opposition to the traditionally materialistic worldview. I believe that the human understanding of existence precludes the human ability to refer to and conceive of existence. I'm impressed that you seem to get it, I'm hoping that by your inverted commas you mean experience as one commonly understands it today. There is an understanding amongst others that differs from this: that of experience as "one" but also "zero" (because if the whole is "1", there are no relative comparisons from which to grant intellectual meaning - there "just is"). Continuous experience has no boundaries until they are imposed, and it is literally the simplest thing to realise. And from then, by all means impose!

Lyssa wrote:

Imbesil wrote:

I would class them as musicians, though not in the instrumental sense but in the Dionysian sense - and with "music" in terms of its derivation from "the Muses". They are a direct agent unto their emotions with any societal facade maximally transparent. Of course there is a degree of Apollonian order to their being, but if I'm honest it's never particularly advanced - though I've not met any where it is.

How does Apollonian order manifest here? - musical sensibility?

If by sensibility you mean sensitivity, then they have a great deal. Making sense however, that has never been their "forte". The jury is out on such musical sensibility - I was in a relationship with a woman who literally knows a great deal about music, but she lacked significant emotive connection, which was ultimately deeply unattractive. But aside from literal music, I know women who are musical in their mannerisms and self-expression, which is far more precious.

Lyssa wrote:

Imbesil wrote:

This is a Feminism thread, are you a Feminist?

Are you?

No.

You ask a lot of questions. I wonder if you are simply curious and rational, or perhaps do not have much to say about yourself.

Lyssa wrote:

I'll be doing the selecting ; )

What do you select?

Imbesil wrote:

No.

You ask a lot of questions. I wonder if you are simply curious and rational, or perhaps do not have much to say about yourself.

She seems to ask a lot of questions so she better understands where you are coming from because there is either not enough information or you are being muddled/obtuse or otherwise nonsensical. That skill of asking questions to get clarification is a great strength, not a weakness or a personal defect.

Maybe if you listen and learn to ask questions, you can form a better argument and get better results from the debate. She's asking them more for your benefit than hers, I think. That way you can both learn.

Arditezza wrote:

She seems to ask a lot of questions so she better understands where you are coming from because there is either not enough information or you are being muddled/obtuse or otherwise nonsensical. That skill of asking questions to get clarification is a great strength, not a weakness or a personal defect.

Maybe if you listen and learn to ask questions, you can form a better argument and get better results from the debate. She's asking them more for your benefit than hers, I think. That way you can both learn.

If so then my apologies! She need only say.

Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours. I entirely agree with questions as a personal strength, and also answers as a personal strength. I entirely welcome questions for my benefit as well as the questioner's. I feel flat if I am not progressing, and moreso if others around me are not also.

Imbesil wrote:

Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours.

Translation:
They are not as I first thought, and many others still think.
If you do not declare yourself a "genius", with a high IQ, begging to have your arse ripped apart, and you are not a moron modern nihilist, thinking that you make sense and that you know what you are talking about, and if you remain honest, you will be tolerated.

If not....you best go away.
It will not be pretty.

Satyr wrote:

Translation:
They are not as I first thought, and many others still think.
If you do not declare yourself a "genius", with a high IQ, begging to have your arse ripped apart, and you remain honest, you will be tolerated.

If not....you best go away.
It will not be pretty.

Dude, I've known you guys for far longer than you would like to admit. I can't care to be tolerated or otherwise, I'm here to gain what I wonder that I might gain, if anything. Sometimes I'm wrong. But my ass will be fine, thanks for caring.

Imbesil wrote:

Arditezza wrote:

She seems to ask a lot of questions so she better understands where you are coming from because there is either not enough information or you are being muddled/obtuse or otherwise nonsensical. That skill of asking questions to get clarification is a great strength, not a weakness or a personal defect.

Maybe if you listen and learn to ask questions, you can form a better argument and get better results from the debate. She's asking them more for your benefit than hers, I think. That way you can both learn.

If so then my apologies! She need only say.

Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours. I entirely agree with questions as a personal strength, and also answers as a personal strength. I entirely welcome questions for my benefit as well as the questioner's. I feel flat if I am not progressing, and moreso if others around me are not also.

A misunderstanding I think. I came here precisely because they are inhospitable and aggressive. It's a sign of a greater intelligence and intellectual honesty. How else does one question their morals and virtues to whittle out the crap and get on more solid ground? I wish I had come here sooner.

Arditezza wrote:

Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours. I entirely agree with questions as a personal strength, and also answers as a personal strength. I entirely welcome questions for my benefit as well as the questioner's. I feel flat if I am not progressing, and moreso if others around me are not also.

A misunderstanding I think.  I came here precisely because they are inhospitable and aggressive.  It's a sign of a greater intelligence and intellectual honesty. How else does one question their morals and virtues to whittle out the crap and get on more solid ground?  I wish I had come here sooner.

And you stayed in sciforums?
For how long?

After the fag Paul took over, that place went to the toilet.
He's a brain-dead, fag....full of post-modern, politically-correct, mythological needs.
A forum reflects its administrator.

Look at ILP: a den of dimwits.
Is Carleas any better?