How many imbeciles will it take for one to offer an alternative to the theory presented.
From Evolution Theory we get the process of species emergence - a common ancestral population is split into groups, separated geographically, and affected environmentally...based on Darwin's observations of finch populations in the Galapagos. In time these populations will begin to drift genetically, and this drift will manifest as a physical/mental differentiation.
Okay, so some challenge this description of how evolution produces the many species we see in nature. Alternative!!! God is taken and debunked. Magic? Okay coming from the van-clan I expect some self-valuing willing of divergence. I want a step by step explanation as to how magically one species diverges from a common ancestor, like humans chimpanzees gorillas. Is that too much to ask?
All I get is psychobabble by those who are clueless about human nature...or generally clueless.
Interesting thing to note the similarities between a male getting anally penetrated which ultimately feminizes the "soul" and the recent doc i posted where young boys who were molested usually develop feminine dispositions and emerge homosexual.
Then excessive promotion of "love" for the "good of the world", meaning humanity, further meaning reduced discrimination and increased feminization where no battle with any lion is necessary, usually resulting in such global love as homoerotic in nature.
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one more time, for the nit-wits on ILP....so thick that repeating it does not appear to be having an effect.
Nihilism
Point ONE.... We all know how the concept is understood by Moderns = a world void of universal purpose, meaning, morality, encompassed in the concept God, so a universe minus GOD. God is a metaphor to make the absolute comprehensible to morons. Therefore, Nihilism, as it was coined by the Russians infected by Christianity, means a uni-verse, a one verse, minus absolutes, minus a ONE, the symbol. Human abstractions are demanded from uni-verse,a s being pre-existing and independent from man. So, a Modern demands that the uni-verse provide him with evidence of what he has fabricated and projected into it. This would be like a child demanding that there be a Santa Clause and when none appears calling the world minus Santa Claus a negative.
In fact a cosmos minus these human fabrications produced life...as there was life BEFORE there were humans to demand of the uni-verse to be full of meaning, purpose, and God. Therefore, if we consider life a positive, this state of affairs is not only not a negative but it is, using binary logic, and subjectivity, a positive. Objectively speaking it is neither a positive or a negative...it just IS. Human reaction (subjectivity) to this makes it positive/negative, exposing the minds relationship to world.
The one proposing an absurdity, such as universal meaning, purpose, and a God, is burdened with providing evidence....and it is not the denier of these delusions who must explain himself, especially when the first has failed to offer an argument or evidence. Yet, in our age, it is the rational one who must explain his resistance to the irrational ones.
Since these abstractions only exist as noumena, in human brains, their existence is entirely noetic...expressed as words. They exist only in minds, as words. Their power is limited to minds, through words. Words with no connection to experience, to world---noumena, using words with no phenomenon to attach to, to refer to. For example...a unicorn. a unicorn is a combination of phenomenon, in the brain, constructed by using them into a form not existing outside human brains....ergo ti is a noumenon with no connection to any phenomenon. It is similar to rearranging words in a sentence to construct a product that has no meaning outside minds, like VO does, but many other nihilistic pseudo-philosophies...Christianity is another example.
I've described this as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...also called the inversion of Nihilism, resulting in present day identity crisis. It consists with the projection of a desirable outcome as a given...for some it is God, others value, other love....others something else...and then working backwards to justify it in world. This is what Nihilism is founded on: projection of a human demand, already considered self-evident, and then the desperate attempt to justify it, in experience, to universalize it, and make it certain and all-inclusive, selectively using empiricism, the world. The attempt is futile, because an abstraction, fabricated in the mind using selected parts of reality, cannot find its place in reality, other than as a human symbol, affecting only those who are affected by symbols.
Therefore Nihilists compartmentalize, or lie....they are quintessentially hypocrites, lying to themselves and to others. They ask for evidence of a negative, or use one method of analysis in one context and a contradicting one in another, or they say and believe one thing, and act in contradiction to what they claim they believe.
Point TWO... Nihilism, a human relationship with world, because it is a human construct, with no references in world, is not limited with the burden of proof, having already presupposed the desirable conclusion; it is not limited by anything experienced, any phenomenon, anything outside the brain. It's ideals are various, because there is no standard to restrict their imagination, which can now be called pure fantasy. Due to this "freedom", Nihilists flourish in sheltering environments, such as manmade ones, where their detachment from reality does not have a heavy cost, and benefits are all that are left - sense of entitlement, hedonism ensues.
They believe the multiplicity of absurdities they can manufacture are proof of their "thinking", or their "creative genius", or their "freedom". They associate any limit to their freedom an authority...a manmade one, having never experienced the full costs to their delusions which would force them to impose some structure in their thinking, using empiricism to limit what they can imagine as fact. They become brazen in their fabrications, raising them to new heights of absurdity, trying to out-compete others....because when reality is not the standard others humans replace world as standard: popularity. Truth measured using numbers. Their "truths" are measured by how many humans they can seduce/convince/manipulate...and they associate all limitations to their "free-thinking" as socially imposed fascism. God played the role of such a uni-versal authority, so that this chaotic thinking did not get out of hand, but with that gone we are entering into a new phase of delusion, and social conformity imposed using different means.
Example...a family raised in Christianity may choose to not abort a Down Syndrom baby, on religious grounds, and their choose with the costs/benefits will not impact them in a system that permits such careless superfluity, up to a point. The cost of having a child carrying their genes not able to survive in its own, and the costs of raising such a child, or how others will treated by others, is mitigated by a system imposing limits to behavior, and decreasing the costs of such a choice. A family may choose to have 2, 3, 4, children with Down Syndrom....when they are protected in this way. The cost is minimal. In nature, outside Modern human systems, such a choice would guarantee the family's extinction. In nature even a lion has to take care, because a broken tooth or toe, can sometimes mean death.
Words are similarly with no severe cost, so they can be sued by moderns in careless ways, safe from the consequences of their delusion.
Point THREE... The fact that there is no uni-versal morality, no one god, does not mean the words morality, god cannot have meaning. Meaning as in a connection to experienced world. we can reattach these concepts back to their original references, from where careless hypocrites have detached them, for their own self-serving, compensating reasons. For example...god can be return to its original role as metaphorically referring to a group of natural phenomena, such as winds, earthquakes, sun, etc. Morality, though not uni-versal, can be returned to its original meaning of referring to a behaviour, found among certain organisms, which makes heterosexual reproduction (cooperative), and then social strategies possible. although the word Morality is no longer considered a uni-versal abstraction, a meaningless fabrication, it can still retain its meaning, as a behaviour....with ethics being the encoding of such behavior into rules of conduct, or ways of living within a group - coexisting.
Meaning is also returned to its origins pulled away from the nihilistic practice of demanding it from the uni-vese, as pre-existing, by those who then profess liberty. The meaning of meaning is as a reference, a connection to phenomenon/noumenon. Meaning describes a particular word's references, whether they be in experienced reality, or in reference to a noetic construct, or an authority standard....such as a linguistic definition allowing for a shared standard to make communication possible. So, meaning means communicated connections....of mind with mind, or mind with world.
The words purpose, can also be taken away from obtuse nihilistic hijackers, and returned to its pragmatic connections. The word purpose means an organism's motive, its movement towards a goal, an objective, which can be an ideal - it implies the will's focus.
Point FOUR.. The word Nihilism itself, has been integrated into Nihilism, as a description of a world that does not care for human projected fabrications. The world is not a Nil if it is lacking in absolutes, or void of Santa Claus, God, unicorns, pixies....etc. If it does not yield to human words, it is not a negative, nor is the one who reflects this cosmic reality rejecting all human fabrications with no references to phenomena, rejecting them as lacking substance, a Nihilist. An agnostic is not a nihilist, nor is he the one to provide evidence of a negative, a God.
Accepting the label nihilist as the one who rejects these human constructs, is to place yourself within the nihilistic paradigm.
I have provided the real life [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of Nihilism, as well as a description of the different [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of Nihilism, as these emerge in different psychologies.
Human options, human choices, are limited, not by God, not by a human authority, but by WORLD. Not every ideal, not every objective is probable, is possible... World also limits word usage, if we wish to exist within world, and not to escape into out fantasies, protected by a system offering us this luxury at a COST. Linear Time places a sequential limit, of cause/effect, upon our placement of words in a sentence, if our goal is lucidity, clarity, and not metaphorical artistic expression of our personal attitude towards the world. The [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]world determines the success and failure of our Subjective interpretations of it - it imposes a cost to those who ignore it, if no mitigating power does not protect the individual, and then it cannot entirely.
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Noumenon (abstraction) connects (refers, relates)to phenomenon (apparent, present, presence) through a medium (mediator: air, light or an authority, encoded in words, or symbol).
Meaning transmits a collection of abstractions called concepts, built no sensual input or in the method I described, by combining said sensual input in random creative ways.
If it, the word, does not refer to an external phenomenon then it refers to itself or to another noumenon, in another mind (expert, supporting other...), or to a code of symbols as an authority (Bible, Dictionary).
From this we can see how there are two different types of meaning, which I will call realistic and unrealistic. An example might help us understand the difference.
Let us take the word Centaur. It is a symbol, representing a noetic abstraction, an idea in the mind of a human - a concept. It is constructed by combining two, or more, different abstractions collected from phenomena in the world, such as a horse and a human; combined (united in the mind) and with no external references. It can be used as a metaphor referring to one, or more phenomena, as in mythology...or it may confuse the mind and be taken literally, convincing the mind that there are such organism outside its skull. If it is understood literally it is nothing more than a delusion. The degree to which it refers to the world outside the mind, where it exists as noumenon, is the degree to which it is realistic.
Therefore there are realistic, pragmatic, meanings that connect the mind, via words, to world, and there are meaning that connects minds to other minds (metaphor), or back to itself (fantasy) - with a psychological utility, or as a way of symbolizing complex unities of phenomenon as one idea - metaphorically. Again, if taken literally by one or a group of minds then they become delusions and may result in a nihilistic meme, when a variety of other such delusions are attached to the original one, and then a tradition emerges from this - a meme.
If only connected to another mind, and with no external, to both minds, reference then it is a shared delusion, if understood literally and not artistically (symbolically, metaphorically). Here, meaning is shared by the two minds such as the meaning of God shared by all Judeo-Christians, and yet still has no external to minds connections - when and if this concept is described as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, absolute, outside space-time...etc.
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I, Satyr one of many. I am Legion, the antidote to this easing, dis-ease; we are the antibodies to this ancient virus. What we offer is not easy, it is not kind, it is not automatically positive....and this is why it takes a courageous, spirit, a strong constitution, a motive of integrity to accept it.
These others offer narcosis, easy solutions, positive remedies, numbness...let them have it for themselves.
I do not use flowery language, I do not defer and refer, I do not use convoluted language games. I speak directly, honestly, brutally in the way reality slaps you in the face when you are daydreaming, or sleeping, in the way a father awakens his son to reality.
Those that spread the dis-ease will hide themselves in metaphors, in endless referring, in deference to hypothetical authorities, hiding behind them, filling in the fact the their ideals lack substance, and are only a psychological trick. Their language is meant to impress and not to illuminate; it is meant to mystify and not clarify; it is meant to cover their cowardice, their illness, their motive, and not to un-cover world as it is. Those that use this poetic language, this scholastic referencing, and nothing more, know that without it their ideas are empty - their "value" only psychological, they exploit weakness and manipulate ignorance with words. They want to integrate all into it, so that their own surrender does not shame them, does not expose them as what they are.
Without their prose and obfuscating sentences they fear their concepts would be plain to see as what they are - simple delusion, simple primal fear, simple need, dreaming of what it is not, ambition in the form of rhetoric. With their references and deference to famous authority figures who, supposedly, support their delusions, they have nothing. The magic evaporates, leaving the audience with a feeling and no practical application; a pleasant emotion, and no comprehension. Without them they are revealed behind their linguistic concealment.
Who are these new Rabies, these New Age pharisees? Who are they recruiting into their filth, and what promises are they making? Imagine the need to distance Christianity from Judaism so as to then integrate it with Hellenism, in a new wave of Modern Nihilism. Imagine the audacity of using Nietzsche, and what he said against this disease, as an nexus to connect the incompatible.
I am teaching self-immunology. Learn to detect the early symptoms. Learn to distinguish the method, its ploys, its mechanisms....it is a linguistic virus, in that it can only infect through language, and has no other relevance. Know the infected and why they are so. Understand the weakness that made them ill, and find it in yourself.
Nieatzsche wrote:
*Could one count such dilettantes and old spinsters as that mawkish apostle of virginity, Mainlander, as a genuine German? In the last analysis he probably was a Jew (all Jews become mawkish when they moralize) (TGS 357).
All that has been done on earth against "the noble," "the powerful," "the masters," "the rulers," fades into nothing compared with what the Jews have done against them; the Jews, that priestly people, who in opposing their enemies and conquerors were ultimately satisfied with nothing less than a radical revaluation of their enemies' values, that is to say, an act of the most spiritual revenge...
*With the Jews there begins the slave revolt in morality: that revolt which has a history of two thousand years behind and and which we no longer see because it - has been victorious.
*The Jews, on the contrary [to Rome], were the priestly nation of ressentiment par excellence, in whom there dwelt an unequaled popular-moral genius: one only has to compare similarly gifted nations - the Chinese or the Germans, for instance - with the Jews, to sense which is of the first and which of the fifth rank.
To marvel at the tenacity of a virus, and to want the vulnerable to use it as an example, is not to want it to finalize its infection. "Moral genius" when compared to how he stood before morality.
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I told the chimpanzee months ago that he would, in time, be ignored and admonished by his own fellow nihilists on ILP. I told him when he was attacking me as a Randian windmill, screaming the battlecry "Death to Ojectivists!!!" I told him the kind of objectivity he despised, was to be found in his own mindset, among his own Nihilists, as there are two ways to conceptualise the end of existence....ice or fire...as Frost said. As an absolute nil, or an absolute one. I told the chimp his true nemesis was on ILP, because he has no clue what Satyr is saying or stands for. Told the poor thing and ignored it, until it retuned to the den of dimwits to fight the monsters in its mind.
What happened when his brand fo stupidity inevitably frustrated higher grade of morons on ILP? What happened when I took myself out of the picture, so as to not rally the idiots behind their shared animosity for Satyr?
Without a common foe to unite their stupidity, they turned on each other, as was expected.
Here's a pragmatic application of perceiving patterns....you learn to identify the behaviour before others, and you are aware of its potentials, not wasting any more time on it than you must. Simple pattern re-cognition.
I recently exposed Pandora as a narcissistic feminist misandrist who dreams of a matriarchal dominion, she tries to hide it carefully though, but it becomes increasingly clear..
Ugly can be measured by it's repulse. if it makes you want to look away, it is ugly, if it draw you in closer, it is beautiful.
of course, some things can be so ugly that we find ourselves consciously deciding to look closer, of course while fighting still our internal energies still being repulsed by it.
Which i pretty much agree with..
and Kriswest responds with..
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That is true for the ignorant and emotional. Uneducated and emotions describe beauty and ugly in such a primitive perspective as that.
I responded by suggesting that the reason why Kriswest stated the above is because she is probably ugly and her babies are ugly too, naturally..
I got banned lol
Which is interesting since there is a bit of insulting already going on in that thread..but calling modern babies ugly is an automatic ban!
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Ugly can be measured by it's repulse. if it makes you want to look away, it is ugly, if it draw you in closer, it is beautiful.
of course, some things can be so ugly that we find ourselves consciously deciding to look closer, of course while fighting still our internal energies still being repulsed by it.
Which i pretty much agree with..
This only mentioned how this phenomenon makes you react, it does not define what it is that makes you react in this way. Like saying "Good" is what makes me feel pleasure.
In my own definition of beauty, which also defines "ugly", I offer two contexts which are really one....the asymmetrical, and the unfit. The second indicated by disproportional of organs, limbs, particularly those engaged in the mating process and rituals.
Symmetry is another way of saying order, or pattern. In a cosmos tending towards increasing randomness (chaos) order would be attractive, powerful, inspiring.... Proportionality is symmetry when reproduction is taken into account - the sexual impulse forgiving the asymmetry organic necessity forces upon the organism. Mechanics imposing a degree of asymmetry, ignored by a mind taken over by the mating frenzy. Yet, symmetry is important as organ proportionality.
Now, the asymmetrical can be "charming", because it comforts us with it reminder of our own imperfect symmetry.
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"mannequin"and Kriswest responds with..
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That is true for the ignorant and emotional. Uneducated and emotions describe beauty and ugly in such a primitive perspective as that.
I responded by suggesting that the reason why Kriswest stated the above is because she is probably ugly and her babies are ugly too, naturally..
I got banned lol
Which is interesting since there is a bit of insulting already going on in that thread..but calling modern babies ugly is an automatic ban!
This is how all morons respond, all Moderns. They accuse the other of an emotion, because their won positions are emotionally founded, and offer no reasoning. This is ad hom at its purest.
They believe that by destroying the source, they also destroy what the source exposed them to. Chimpanzee used the subtle: imply a weakness, and the entire edifice crumbles....with no alternative required. Parity in the negative. Simply reject all theories, that hurt our feelings, and offer no alternative explanation for the experienced....
Like the analysis the other moron gave of race and racism, by offering a simpleton's pseudo-psychological ramblings as to why some, the "ill", the "haters", of course, recognize races, and think them relevant....and then, the moron, offers no explantation as to why humans lack sub-types, such as breeds in other species, and how evolution would work, without such intermediate stages. His own anxiety is projected upon the other, leaving him with pristine narcosis, purified love, with no hate. He rids himself of it, by accusing the other, who reminds him of nature's "viciousness", turning this other into a representation of everything he despises about himself, and of the past/nature that made him so.
With Krisie, the mother-hen, it is her own anxiety projected as a hidden motive, on the one reminding her of how unfair nature can be. She offers no alternative definition, because this would expose what a simpleton she is, and how emotive her arguments are.
To the definition of beauty as symmetry and proportionality, indicating health and reproductive fitness, she has spiritual emotional, secularized Abrahamic, mystification. The only answer such an imbecile will accept is an echo of the chimpanzee's...."all is subjective" "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". To put the standard outside the choice of every individual is taking away a comforting power....it is fascism fascism. Tortured by reality. Power externalized is authoritarian....and conscious, because nature is denied such cruelty. There has to be a motive, to justify victimhood, otherwise who are you the victim of? Your own past/nature, unconscious, indifferent, (inter)actions you had no hand in bringing about, imposing themselves upon your presence, limiting you?
You will find this common trait in all Nihilism, no matter how creative they can be when they no longer have to abide by anything but personal tastes and comforting ideas....nature has to be given a motive, a sideways insertion of consciousnesses - Godliness. Even the so-called atheists cannot resist the temptation. So, if you talk about breeds of humans, races, it is because of a motive, not because you are reporting a phenomenon all can perceive, bringing it to light, uncovering it. There has to be a motive, an emotion behind it, implying consciousness. Absence of God makes the motive human. So say something bad, and the motive is yours. How the natural phenomenon makes them feel, cannot be blamed on a god, but it can be blamed on the one bringing it to their attention.
Nature remains benevolent, kind, forgiving, malleable to human preferences....to changes in attitude. If it feel bad to think of races of men, then it must not be nature's indifferent cruelty, but the product of a sick mind. If it feels bad to know that some are born beautiful and others ugly, then it must not be a result of nature's unfairness, part of natural selection, but motivated by an evil sickness.
See, everyone born is automatically lovable, smart, beautiful, strong, equal, valuable,.... How Evolution works for them, I can only imagine. They will never dare say.....they will become more laughable if they do.
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Out of the Flux we emerge, incomplete, partial order, striving to return to the near-absolute, recognizing ourselves in all patterns, as echoes of the Big Bang, dreaming of breaking free from this process, when we realize it is converging towards the near-absolute from a new direction.
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We do not vote on what beauty is....we emerge, awaken, into the world, in Flux, and our order we find pleasing. We appreciate patterns, order, symmetry, because we depend on it - we are a degree of it.
Males do not decide that breasts and hips and round buttocks are sexy....they are inclined to do so, because these indicate fitness., and reproductive potential. There was no meeting. No vote was held where one side won....
Man does not create patterns he is a congruity of patterns, awakening to them, and reproducing them,a s art, as a refection of himself. There is no culture that would decide that this...
Beauty as taste... Man does not decide if he is going to like sugars and fats and proteins....he has no choice in the matter. He has a choice over how to prepare these natural elements, how to present them, how to prepare/cook them, but not to not have a taste for them. His particular organic order might determine if he prefers more sugar than protein, the proportions of fat to sugar, but not that he will find these elements tasty. He might prefer to get his proteins from chicken and not beef, because of his particular organ hierarchy, the chemistry of his body but he does not decide he does not need proteins. Therefore, a man might cloth beauty differently, symbolize it differently, accentuate it differently, may have a different taste in proportions, but he cannot declare the asymmetrical beautiful, or the unfit sexy, no more than he can call feces tasty and noise a nice tune.
Civility, not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings, retaining network ties, comforting, giving hope, is behind political correctness. It's political. All about silence, manipulation and reciprocity.
Culture emerges and integrates nature into it, (meme extension of gene) it does not create beauty, or races, or sexual types, it assimilates them into its symbolism, and harmonizes them, if it can. The idea(l) that race, sex, beauty are social constructs IS a social construct.
Nihilists cannot help but contradict themselves when their ideals are confronted by the real. It is only in sheltering, when they have nothing at stake, where they can surrender to theoretics, to mind-farting relief, and the benefit of the doubt...or when they want to exploit a pre-existing delusion/weakness.
But, of course, the organism would value highly what makes it possible. This does not make it a universal ideal. The cosmos does not have the organism as its highest goal, because it has no telos, no motive. It simply means that the organism, being order(ing), depending on order, finds order irresistible, seductive, tasty, beautiful, preferably. The proportions, the forms, are determined by the particulars of the organism - its organ hierarchy, the internal balances of weakness/strengths: repulsion/attraction. Then it develops a symbolism a way to accentuate and hide, a method of perfecting according to taste, according to custom. More salt, pepper, cumin, some nutmeg, spices of all kinds....all a matter of accentuating sugars and fats, and proteins...big breasts, round asses, hip to waist ration, hair colour, jewelry, makeup, cosmetic surgery, accentuating proportionality of patterns.
Man is attracted to order, not only because of the aforementioned, but because of its promise - that it can prolong its own existence...so it finds sexual fitness, symmetry a sa product of resistance to Flux, a sure sign of higher potential.
Again....there is physical symmetry and mental symmetry, or what we call intelligence, but wisdom would be more precise, because intelligence can be insane. Wisdom as balance, symmetry - sophia. We friends of wisdom.
Crazy makes noise, is loud, distracting, useless, in the end. Unfit. It promises nothing. We can pity it, but we cannot lie. Well, at least not to ourselves.
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ILP is, and forever will be KT's petri dish. To understand the behaviors and relationships there I would suggest referring to my positions [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. At this point Nihilism and my thesis on memes/genes are being regurgitated.
Herd manimals feed and swallow....and know not from where, nor how, nor why.
I guess we could find plenty of others, but it would take time to psychoanalyze the different characters, and what particular nihilistic viral strain is infecting each one. On ILP we can enjoy Abrahamism debating itself, as one strain attempts to dominate the other, and control the host. a basic concept in Nihilistic memetics is that it is an idea(l), a noumenon lacking a reference to phenomena, to world, and so attempts to become so - it follows the reverse direction of development, which is typical of nihilism: inversion world, negation of past/nature, and then replacing it with symbols/words. Inversion of the relationship of symbols to noumena/phenomena.
This is its greatest weakness. It can only exist in minds, and then only in minds able to process words - sharing the same meanings (interpretations, relationships), same semiotics. The range of effect stops with non-living patterns, and with organisms with no ability to be trained to interpret symbols/words, or to use language. The power of nihilism is contained to within humanity. This is why it measures itself using quantities, and human criteria.
It wants to become real.....with Nihilism genes extended by meme is inverted to meme attempting to become extended by gene. it's ambition to convert its worthless symbols, its detached form reality words, into real phenomena - and his is why techniques/technologies are so significant to them - language being a technique/technology. To do so they must, like all viruses do, take over organism, and use them as agencies to replicate itself - extending the range of its effect. It has no other means. If all the infected would disappear the virus would go return to its crystalline state - existing as code in books, awaiting a host (brain that can read the code) to trigger the replication sequences. It is, in every other way, impotent.... By its very essence as Nihilistic, it rejects a world it then must survive within, forcing it into compromises, pretences, self-contradictions (schizophrenia), plagiarism, and duplicity.
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Why is beauty seductive? Why does symmetry attract?
It promises.
An organism dependent on patterns, specific patterns in congruity, finds symmetry, and proportionality, attractive because of what it promises as probability. Remember, probability is another way of saying order.
Order= consistent, predictable, rhythms. Probability is a reduction of possibility, which is chaos, when it is absolute. That is what order is...a reduction of possibility = probability.
What is seductive about symmetry, or a specific organ arrangement in specific proportions = increase probability. As it relates to sexual beauty a heightened probability for healthy offspring.
What does symmetry mean, before a view of a forest, or light reflecting on water...patterns, expanses of space, full of probability, order. The mind is inspired. So much symmetry, so much space (possibility) with matter/energy (probability) in it = awe. The mind flies freely into speculation.
Comparing KT to ILP is like comparing a 45-year-old man to a 15 year-old-girl. Ask either to tell you about the world, give descriptions and explanations, and what will you find? What will each-other say, what wisdom can be procured? ILP is filled with children and mental diseases, with little to no actual focus on 'Philosophy'. Instead ILP has become a social-club and popularity group, each individual there fighting for the lime-light and what little attention can be drawn to their individual variants of disease. A narcissist competes against a transexual, against a solipsist, against an absolutist, against a socialist, against an anarchist, and none of them say *ANYTHING* worthwhile. All of them exposing themselves without exposing wisdom. Because their goals, motives, and ideals are all personal and infantile. Simple attention-seeking behaviors.
They have no genuine interest or pursuit for Philosophy, for wisdom, to seek knowledge and understanding. Of course this factor is limited by each individual's intelligence, and so expose them for what they are. Unintelligent, unwise, and childish, men-children and women-children. As the individual narcissists and nihilists battle to spew word-garbage, the women-children babble incessantly, egging and encouraging them onward. Ugly cows, too. Ever seen beautiful women on ILP, or if so, how long did they stay? A couple weeks? A few? No, instead the females who remain are uglier, stupider, and older than average. No coincidence.
ILP has devolved into a wretched state, after systemically banning and censoring any individual who fought for any type of 'realism', questioning, provocations, and challenging. ILP removed all Challengers quickly, and so, as with all life, stagnates and atrophies. Without such challenging, decay is inevitable. Artificial challenges are most common in Modern and Postmodern society. Thus, like Athletics and Aesthetics, any "human progress" comes from actively maintaining mankind within a hedonistic, decadent, and abundant environment.
The average mind, the Modern, must be forced into action, against his/her will if necessary. That is the only way you will "see something" or worthwhile from its lifetime. Otherwise Moderns are more than happy, and complacent, to live meaningless and worthless lives. Even in a climate ripe for Philosophy, and expanding knowledge and wisdom, they refuse such an offering, and still waste their time.
The division between 'Real' and 'Ideal' becomes clearer. Being stuck in a quagmire of idealism, nihilism, is the Desert of the Real. There is no "reality" there and Moderns (ILP) actively refuse it, at many critical points. They will claptrap and spout loyalty to reality, but only until their limits are reached. And those limits are short and small. Even the "better" minds at ILP do not take long to expose their idealisms, nihilism, and cocooning themselves from reality. Thus ILP is a marketplace of idealisms, revolving around psychosis and psychotics, particular and individualistic mental diseases that seek to justify their illness in a den of like-minded inmates. And so they justify to each-other, up to a point of agreement, and then disagree when the other's disease captivates too much attention. Because the variations of the disease mostly revolve around, exposing their defects and weaknesses, to gain attention, and seek social approval and reassurance, that they aren't "broken" and they aren't Ill.
In this way, ILP is the exact-opposite when it intends and means a pursuit for, or any interest in, Philosophy. And so ILP cannot be tolerated by anybody with a genuine, or even a small interest in, Philosophy.
Modernist, Secularist, Academic, immediately ignores opposition deemed "not credible" by other academics, and therefore operates based on peer-review. Authoritarian, whatever academics and modern "scientists" say, is real and true. Most well-read on ILP but also the most predictable. No longer participates on the board actively due to past indiscretions and being exposed as what he is: just another Modern with nothing unique about his views/perspective.
Only_Humean:
Humanist, Secularist, Authoritarian, OH immediately bans and censors anybody who trips the line and "triggers" others, especially himself. His finger sits on the ban-button which he finds most satisfaction for, while on ILP, but cannot explain it. It gives him a sense of power that he lacks elsewhere throughout his life. ILP is his vindication, where he feels important, because he has no such authority in reality. This also serves to verify and reinforce his Humanistic beliefs. He "knows he's right" because, ironically, he is in the position to ban anybody who truly threatens and challenges what he believes in, which is regular, normal, predictable Humanist-claptrap and Modern (im)morality.
Kriswest:
Another Humanist, and Feminist, her father taught her from a young age that she is 'Human' before all else. And so she learned at a young age to identify her Psychosis as a "Human" before herself as a woman. She values "Humanity" before herself as a woman. In this way she believes herself "Equal" with men, as her father taught her, because "All are Human" as she regularly and consistently repeats on ILP over the years. When challenged on the matter, she balks of course. She can't explain her position, but she "just knows it". Surrounding herself with men, a husband, 3 sons, she obviously has an obsession and compulsion to make herself "Equal" with them, just like Daddy always wanted...
Joker:
Anarchist, Nihilist, Humanist, wants to press the 'Reset' button on civilization, but with no actual, real compulsion or motivation to do so. Grown accustomed to modern luxuries, Joker is dominated by Decadence and Hedonism, despite living a poor and impoverished lifestyle. He drives a car, heats his living quarter in Winter, enjoys a bed, and values Dentistry now, after depriving himself of these beforehand. So his Anarchism is actually very limited and does not actually want to bring it "all" crashing down, just the parts he personally dislikes and blames for his own failures in life, those within the institution that personally keep him down, or prevent him from a higher wage. In the end, Joker is content with attention-seeking, like the following ILP members...
Erik/Detrop:
Narcissist, taking "Detrops" previous position on ILP as the resident Narcissist. Self-absorbed and obsessed, cannot do without a mirror for long, or posting selfies online. Everybody must be made aware of how "beautiful" they are, like a woman would do, a woman's compulsion. Obsessed with imagery and appearances, instead of Content and quality. Not very intelligent, low on the totem poll compared to other ILP members. Thus the extent of Narcissistic attention-seeking will revolve around beautiful images and pretty pictures, and saying little to nothing about them, except when another has already said it. Because to speak about beautiful, himself, would expose just how far from philosophy he is. No depth, very shallow, no wisdom. And no loyalty to wisdom, nor true passion for it. Instead the Narcissist seeks philosophy for any justification that beauty is valuable, and ends it there. Philosophy is a means to masturbate, for the Narcissist. This was evident in Detrop by how he regularly bragged about his philosophy seminars, to local drunks or teenage sluts, made him feel great and validated.
Pandora:
Feminist, like Kriswest, has a strong father-daughter bond. Except Pandora went the military route and either serves in the military herself, or her husband does. Pandora is above-average on ILP and probably good-looking, attractive (because she never posts her photo online). Thus she can defend her feminism and feminist values better than others, but when pressed on matters, buckles under a moderate challenger. Thus Pandora is akin to "girlwriteswhat" online, and has deeper personal motivations backing her feminist ideology and idealism, perhaps Pandora has a son, or wishes to someday, and so this prospect contradicts her own feminist values.
Fixed/Pezer/Sauwelios:
Abrahamists, Modernists, Occultists, these few are ones who want to 'Reconcile' modernity with Nietzsche and also some degrees of realism. They dabble in KT, but are intimidated. These three are affected by Nihilism, but less so than average minds. These are the ones who want to Manipulated the masses and use some knowledge, understanding, and wisdom to do so. Postmodern Priests. New Age Gurus. They have not yet tapped into Philosophy and wisdom though, due to hesitations and past interactions, particularly with KT members.
Turd Furg/Ecmandu/Trixie:
Feminine males and attention-seekers, each of these three use their own mental disease as a 'pass', a card ticket, a voucher to legitimize and justify their illnesses online and before a community of other infected morons. ILP is perfect for them and a breeding ground for this type. These are ones who join 'Philosophy' with obviously no intention or value for philosophy, but as a social club where they can be "accepted as they are". They mistake philosophy's "open-mindedness" for social acceptance, failing to realize that most others on ILP despise them just as much as anybody in real life, or anyone on KT for that matter. But the drive to "fit in" with the herd is too much. Turd is a simple-minded moron, spewing pages and pages of word-shit, hoping that Quantity (of words) trumps all else. While saying nothing at all, similar to Arcturus Rising. Turd and Arcturus have an affinity for "word fluff", empty words, shit thoughts, that nobody cares for, and easily ignores. Ecmandu and Trixie reflect other types of mental illness. Trixie is a transexual, supposedly, and was molested as a child. Who cares? These three are the most boring and dull of the bunch.
Arcuturus Rising:
Survived and defended a rape-attempt by some male, not much else is known or said about this incident. Arcturus is an airhead and simpleton, interested in philosophy probably because of some individual in her life who is now absent. Somewhat feminist, she is obsessed with sexual predators and how sexual attraction occurs. Like Turd, she has a penchant for writing paragraphs of word-fluff, with no real points, no worthwhile observations, and no consistency to speak of. Philosophical lightweights. Easily passed over, nothing important to say and will never have a relevant thought in their lifetimes.
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Science is founded on Right makes Might as opposed to the brutish, coercive, Might makes Right, translated into Abrahamism, and later into its secular forms, as Might = popularity, masses, makes Right, morality, social imperative - the inter-subjective decree. If the majority agree, reality is changed - Democratic mysticism. Power of the people. Rule of quantity, over quality - a compromise between rational, "mature" minds to pretend for the sake of personal comfort, and itself-interests - lie raised to the level of principle.
Science, as a product of philosophy that goes back to Indo-European, pagan traditions, is founded on Right makes Might, meaning studying and understanding reality, can be translated into the ability (potential) to manipulate and control. A superior perspective, subjectivity, can exploit this superiority to dominate the one(s) practicing inferior subjectivity. Translation/Interpretation of world, objectively, dominates over perspectives corrupted by emotion, desire, need, ego.
Mind that perceives more patterns, and can find connections (meaning, understanding) on a more subtle level, unperceived by others, hold an advantage over those that cannot. Science is the study and evaluation of patterns, and how they relate (interact) producing the possibility (potential) to aply this understanding to increase control - empiricism. Science uses the senses, multiplied using technologies.
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Plight of the moron Modern... Only adhering to empiricism and science when it does not insult him, he cannot comprehend how Right is Might IS science, IS empiricism. If science is right, it offers an advantage, a power, if it is wrong, and the degree that it is so, leads to a weakness, a disadvantage. Empiricism simply means observation... judging and choosing in accordance with observable patterns, precedent, collected and analyzed... basically it is what a rational organism does, on a smaller scale, called experience. Empiricism is sense/experience... accentuated by using technologies and a data bases, over time. A data base is what we would call memory, in an organism, or personal experience. Might is Right is coercion, conviction, based on emotion, or hope, on ideals disconnected from reality, such as the ideal of equality, and the myth that all judgments are equal. Might is Right is individual authority, extended into populism... the masses vote for the leader, who represents their communal decrees, their organized might, overcoming any individual reasoning. If the community decides that believing the earth is flat, because it satisfies some social need, then this is might, imposed upon the individual experience of world. Science is not free from social pressures. Scientists do not dare speak contrary to established narratives topics, dealing with controversial topics, like sex and race, because this goes contrary to communal needs... they fall silent, or face personal consequence. Most of science, is also dependent on private and public tax funding, limiting its field of exploration. This is MIGHT is Right at work... only might is now community, multiplicity of morons... imbeciles, cowards, hypocrites with the same vote as any rational honest courageous mind. Not the might of the fascist dictator, the favourite symbol of pseudo-intellectual ire, or the emperor king, or GOD, but of the masses... hydra. Masses of ignorant imbeciles manipulated and exploited by charlatans. Might of quantity over quality, only made possible when there are no accessible frontiers. Not the power of "I say so" as some charlatans are now declaring as their right... but the power of right, correctness, lucidity, accuracy, directing judgment, choices... compared to the judgment which is wrong... resulting in costs/benefits. Might of being correct in your perceptions, rather than incorrect... and then declaring yourself correct.
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Symmetry = order. Symmetry is the interpretation of symmetrical patterns, or the degree of patterns symmetry abstracted. For an organism dependent on order, in a disordering cosmos, symmetry is beautiful, as it indicates potential in relation to its own needs as an congruity of patterns sustaining and directing (orienting) itself within Flux. Genetically inherited symmetry indicates past excess of energies - order in flux requires effort/energy to sustain itself - superior symmetry is evidence that excess of energies were available to attain higher order. Order is manifested past, which immediate circumstances will manifest later in space/time. It requires effort/energy to maintain order within Flux, it takes agon (struggle = need/suffering) to maintain probability within a cosmos of increasing possibility...and so any degree above the average, indicates a surplus of energies/resources/effort. Another term for order is pattern - repeating, consistent, predictable, reliable,...pattern is the exclusion of possibility and the increase in probability. No absolute (absent absolute) means that no pattern is perfect....but there are degrees of more or less consistency, predictability, reliability, symmetry. Slight asymmetry is charming, comforting, cute, because it reminds us of our own imperfection. (Inter)activity means that patterns decline, or are affected with every (inter)action with every other pattern and non-patterned energy. Some call this (inter)activity Affectation. Inertia is a non-existent state...an ambiguous idea with no reference in reality. Existence = dynamic (inter)action, Flux. Absolute order and chaos is the non-existent. Inert describes a degree of (inter)activity.
Proportionality = symmetry incorporating functionality into its organization. Survival, organizing organs for specialized survival strategies imposes a structure of functionality. Beauty here indicates potential for reproduction and/or survival - proportionality of health, functionality within environment. An organism is a congruity of patterns, repelling/attracting one another (interacting) - it is in a degree of balance, not in absolute balance/harmony. Each organ has its own symmetry. How each organ relates with other organs establishes the essence of the organism - its functional proportionality, its form. Skin/Exoskeleton is the organ encompassing this amalgamation of organs, and it represents the organism's ambiguous, fluctuating time-space range of control/effect. This is extended using mind/body. Body acting upon other patterns, manipulating them, and mind, using a medium, such as atmosphere,light, to collect patterns stimulation, and construct abstractions = noetic generalizations/simplifications. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Mind offers the organism the potential of directing itself contrary to the path-of-least-resistance, using focus (Will), to increase its power (synergy) slightly increasing the resistance it can overcome - this offers it an advantage of probabilities, in relation to other organisms.
Mind = brain symmetry manifesting in personality. Charm, wit, creativity, a calm demeanor, all expressions of an ordered brain, and of energy excess. Brain symmetry is attractive as hidden potential - flexibility, ability to respond to the unexpected. Degree of mind relating to world, or noumenon referring to phenomenon, is a measure of the mind's sanity - its potential to reason, resulting in a higher probability of success (higher benefit/cost balance). Mind, as manifestation of brain (nervous system) functions, can focus the organism's synergy, thusly multiplying its aggregate energies, increasing the resistance it can overcome.
Sublime = all matter/energy is order(ing). An inspiring scene, an ephemeral symmetry, such as a delicate soap-bubble, light playing on water, are all proportions of symmetry full of potential. The delicacy of a symmetrical phenomenon inspirational to an organism aware of its own vulnerability and ordering. The play of patterns with the sense organs, particularly where no need/desire is present, is the objectification of potential. Man, and only hu-man, with his broader deeper perceptual-event-horizon, and to attain the third level of cognition (third level of psychological intentional) can appreciate symmetry, order, and the potentials they imply, from a detached point of view.
In short, underlying all appreciation of symmetry, proportionality, existence (inter)acting is the appreciation of a congruity of patterns for patterns indicating potential: personal potential, sexual/reproductive potential, existential potential. Another word for potential is probability. Probability is the limitation of possibility, in other words ORDER. Man is attracted to anything that promises higher probability, indicated higher probability, is evidence of higher probability. Symmetry, proportionality, patterns (inter)acting in space/time.
Detachment being a sign of excess energies. Nihilism is stuck there, due to excess energies provided to the organism, with minimal effort on its part. Prolonging this artificially maintained condition leads to permanent, willful, detachment. The mind is absorbed by navel-gazing, narcissism, contemplating itself and existence from the vantage point of a god, quickly becoming childish: wanting to play forever, desperate to remain naive and innocent fore a lifetime, focused only on pleasure, or distraction, on fantasy; masturbating physically and mentally, emotionally. Setting up clever games to incorporate other children into fantasy play.
It would be good if morons think for themselves...and ask themselves, before they ask others.... Why would symmetry be attractive to an organism? What is organ symmetry versus organ proportionality? Why is a forest beautiful, and does the word "beauty" mean exactly the same thing within every context, or do words slightly differ in nuance, depending on context? How about the word "love"? How and why is a word used in everyday parlance a form of dumbing-down? How does metaphor work, and why is a word sometimes a metaphor and sometimes a symbol connecting noumenonwith phenomenon? Why does this confuse morons, and why do they enjoy this confusion, need it, cultivate it to protect themselves? Why is verbal confusion, creatively crazy, a form of masturbation? Why is it an easy and popular method of implying superiority, of thinking and of self, without actually proving it?
Because when they do not think they force me to post these long-winded responses, taking them by the hand, and leading them step-by-step along the path of reasoning, and they pulling and screaming like children.
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One, among many, moron, cannot see how Might is Right refers not only to the authoritarian, the God, the fascist Dictator, the King/Emperor, but also to the democratic masses, to the power of the many.....and cannot understand how Right is Might refers to what he professes as his own standard, science, empiricism, and how by being "right" one attains an advantage, a power, over the idiot, who lacks judgment and is wrong; how this relates to cost/benefit; cannot pull his head out of his arse long enough to understand that right means closer to reality, a superior interpretation, perspective, believing that this is only reserved for the institution, for the socially sanctioned expert, when the moron, himself, indulges in this very practices daily when he shops for dildos, or judges which inflatable doll is best for the asked price.
Cost/Benefit...no sheltering, no numbers, no amount of institutional help and intervention can fully erase and adjust. You have poor judgment and in time you will face the consequences, and no romantic idealism and theory can protect you from.
The other moron, unable to see how symmetry relates to the functionality of organ proportions, and how it all relates to order/chaos, seeks guidance, and confuses love, particularly the erotic, for abuse, confuses passion for obsession having never experienced one without the other.
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One Dim-wit, cannot understand how Might is Right does not only apply to a singular, king, Emperor, Fascist, Totalitarian, God...but also applies to a multiplicity of people, imposing their stupidity, their will, upon the individual. For example, burning witches in Salem was the Might of the majority, imposing itself on the one. They were "right" about her, because they had the "might" of numbers.
This same moron, confused by its first delusion, also makes an additional one, when he cannot comprehend how Right is Might is what science, philosophy, and empiricism is all about. The one who understands how reality works, has a superior perspective, has an advantage, gains power, over the imbecile who is disconnected from reality, or uses word-games to reject it. Scientific value is found in how it overpowers mysticism, and superstition...it has the Might of being Right, about world.
The imbecile will be hoping nobody from the den of dim-wits visits and reads what a moron it is, so that he can siphon attention by exploiting the retardation of those who find in ILP a place to seek power and influence....preaching to the choir, debating over which delusion will dominate, which interpretations will seduce the many, which detached Nihilistic variant will infect the WOOOOOOORLD = code for humanity.
The other moron, one of a multitude, cannot comprehend how symmetry relates to organ proportionality, and how it relates to existence, and order/chaos. Confusing love with abuse, because he never experienced one without the other, he is incapable of thinking for himself, and requires a hand to take him, and guide him, step by step, word by word, otherwise he is taken by fashion trends, his internal weakness surrendering to power of will...
But...where else could the third moron hope to find a following, hope to be taken seriously, hope to find so many specimens of modern decay, ready to be exploited, satisfying his own disease motives?
You see...this is viral symbiosis.
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I suspect that some think Right makes Might refers to "I am rational because I say and think that I am rational and that's why I am right and that's why I deserve the might". At least that's how they think about what being right means.
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I suspect that some think Right makes Might refers to "I am rational because I say and think that I am rational and that's why I am right and that's why I deserve the might". At least that's how they think about what being right means.
I know...the 'I Say so', Might is Right.
Reason is about application, testing, cost/benefit outcomes. Right has little to do with humans, they are but a part of reality. It has to do with world, and perceiving patterns and how they relate.
Science has power only when it is correct, when it is right, not when it says so.
To know, to see clearly is but the beginning, the potential. If I am 'right' about metal, and fire, then I can fabricate a sword, a tool, an instrument, to gain advantage over the other who does not.
Noumenon must connect to phenomenon, otherwise it is theory, mind-candy....a declaration, with no effect other than exploiting human stupidity.
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Tele-Evangelists were charmers, hypnotists, linguistic magicians. They applied the power of the word with a psychological impact. Did they heal? No. They exploited weaklings, the ill, the desperate, the lost. They've disappeared now, but go back and study how they used words, voice, gestures, rituals to manipulate morons.
Their effect was temporary - psychosomatic. Their words impotent, useless. Did it feel good listening to them? Definitely. The audience felt exuberance, hopeful, energetic....delighted...they felt flattered, soothed, comforted....empowered.
Outside the walls? Reality did not give a shit. Their words, their impressive performances, were impotent.
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A thief burglars a rich man's house, wanting to take what he thinks was taken, unjustly, from him, wanting to take what he thinks he deserves, and as he leaves he puts on the clothes he found in the closet of the house he just robbed, hoping the outer image will hide the internal truth - he lies. But, in his haste to flee the place of a crime, he does not realize he is wearing the wife's dress, correcting deceit with the truth.
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Magnus is a warrior. I enjoy his blade work, amidst a hoard of bovines.
How much narcosis do you need to be enraptured by life, to be awestruck by world? How much external help does it take to pretend you are strong? How many lies does a bovine need to feel happy?
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