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"God's Chosen People"
Isiah 40:15
Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.



Because Israel rejected the Messiah they lost their place as God's favored people. Jesus predicted this would take place by saying, "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" (Matthew 21:43).
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Dominican sister helps with work on new translation of Book of Revelation

By Katie Peterson
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NASHVILLE — For the past five years, Sister Mary Dominic Pitts, of the Dominican Sisters of St. Cecilia Congregation in Nashville, has been deep in study of the Book of Revelation.

She and 250 others are working on a new translation of the last book of the Bible in a project known as “Le Bible et ses traditions” (“the Bible and its traditions”), or the French abbreviation BEST.

The project is sponsored by École Biblique, the French Biblical and Archaeological School of Jerusalem.

“École Biblique is a center of research, translation and study of Scripture and archaeology. It is best known for its publication of the Jerusalem Bible,” Pitts explained.

Quoting the project’s website, she said the purpose of the translation is to “create the most extensive and helpful set of notes for the entire Bible, with information of interest both to biblical scholars and casual readers.”

The Dominican sister helps with work on the new translation of the book of revelation.

Question.....will that be a protestant view......definitely not, as she adds.....

“The BEST approach contributes to the richness of Scripture in, for example, ‘biblical polyphony’ resulting from the different versions and will restore the Catholic feel and appreciation of God’s many voices in Scripture.”
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Nature and Mankind in Greek Mythology

Nature and mankind in Greek mythology have been intertwined since the first story was handed down in Ancient Greece. Greeks believed that when humans were created, nature was devoid of hardship. The world became a hostile, difficult place only after their creator, the Titan Prometheus, deigned to steal fire from the gods and give it to humans. To punish humans for overstepping their boundaries, the gods created a beautiful woman named Pandora to be the wife of Prometheus's brother, Epimetheus. They gave Pandora a jar and told her not to open it. Eventually, she succumbed to curiosity and opened the jar, inadvertently releasing pain, disease, hunger and other ailments into the world and turning nature itself into an inhospitable force. 


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Genesis chapter 3 of the Bible recounts the story of Adam, the first man God created, and the woman God formed from one of Adam’s ribs. They lived piously in the Garden of Eden until the serpent, craftier than the other animals, led the woman into temptation. The serpent said, “Did God actually say ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden?’” The woman answered, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” The serpent replied, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Since the woman sought wisdom, she ate the fruit of the tree, and gave some to Adam to eat too. “Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked.” When God came into the garden, they hid from him. He noticed that they had eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and turned them out of Paradise. “To Adam he said, ‘Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it’, cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. 

Both demand a generous stretch of one's imagination and notice the similarities that run through them
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Trying to harmonize Judaism with Hellenism is like trying to harmonize the idea of a singularity with the reality of multiplicity - the former negates the latter.
Prometheus has become Satan...
Paganism is corrupted and reinvented as Satanism.
The body is the source of all 'evil' and the mind of all 'good' - inverting the truth within its binary abstractions.
Mind works on binary code; body has a four-code.
This mental disorder, expressed via transsexuality, is a product of the mind rebelling against tis own body.


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All that they care about is the survival of the meme....meme-survival.
They will ally with the devil himself if it promises the continuance of the meme.

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The first is a battle hymn they still chant before going into battle.
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We know that transsexuality is "healing the world" of its "corrupt" state of "fractured and fragmented"....multiplicity, uncertainty....probability not certainty.
Next the world will be "healed further" through paedophilia. It has already begun - minor attracting people (MIP)....or some euphemism like that.
"World" meaning the American Empire of Lies, striving to become global....Messianic.

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Gradually one paraphilic activity after another is being normalized...

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The name Jah-Hovah is the simplification from original word, that in hebrew (hebraic), is a composed word – Jah-hovah: JAH or JOD or – even – YOD, that means phallus, penis, male:
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The Hebrew letter Jod membrum represented the virile.
Hovah means vessel (container, receptacle), cavity, a shell – (like a marine shell, a conch). It is female (and, later, it gained another synonymous, the word ‘vagina,’ from Latin – that means sheath. Thus, it is a metaphor related to the fact or gestual of the warriors of keeping or put his sword in the sheath or in vagina, (a case, a holster).
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The illustration is recognized by many scholars as Yahweh on a Winged Cherubim accompanied by a goddess, also winged, Asherah, hovering over the ‘sacred tree.’ Note the phallus, well-defined Jeovah.
So Jehovah means ‘male-female,’ ‘penis-vagina,’ a being that combines attributes genitals of both sexes, a hermaphrodite.
The Judaism still primitive and popular Judaism of King David is regarded as a phallic religion because the hallmark of his divinity, Jehovah, are signs of sexuality, the act of generation.
A connection between the Abrahamic triad.
Two (Christianity, Islam), derived from the original (Judaism), presupposes monotheism as a representation of the creating singularity, i.e., absolute: indivisible, immutable.
The original, itself a derivative of Zoroastrianism and its pagan multiplicities simplified to dualities, is monotheistic as a goal - what ought to be, as part of Tikkun Olam, world healed from tis "corrupted" state, viz., its multiplicity and interactivity (conflict).
The first are already aware of the truth - absoluteness - whereas the latter has yet to find fulfilment in the realization of its prophesies - required steps towards the objective; Christianity is saved by Christ's sacrifice, whereas Judaism has yet to be saved via the sacrifice of the goy.
Notice how in Judaism their suffering and failures to bring about Armmageddon - an end - is the justification of their suffering, and condemnations. They suffer and are hated - though innocent - because they've not followed divine scripture and realized prophesy, culminating in Armageddon and the defeat of the goy.
See how this relates to Globalism?
The singularity is the objective, and prophesies have given a framework towards its realization.
When prophesies are fulfilled, all is on track towards this end; when prophesy is not fulfilled they are made to suffer indicating god's disapproval and disappointment.
Part of this realization of the singular is hermaphroditism.
Jah-hovah is both male and female - transexual - therefore this phase in American messianism is a tangible approach towards the intangible singularity - a healing of the world's multiplicity.

A singularity is epace....there's nothing to interact, and nothing to be aware fo existence.
Existence itself implodes top absolute no-thingness, or oneness, depending no how you want to approach this finality.
The 'glass half empty or half full, dillema'.
I've noted the duality of nihilism: pure and positive nihilism....
It is posted somewhere on KTS.
The idea of the absolute - existing only as ana abstraction - is the end of existence - whether ti is imagined/conceptualized as absolute one (singularity) or absolute nil (void).
Both represent the negation of existence, as a interactive multiplicity experienced as need/suffering - for reasons already given.
So, for an organism that needs and suffers, like no other, this duality comes as a relief - a hope, a secret death wish.
Positive nihilism uses afterlife as a way of dealing with the implications.
Authentic, pure, hardcore nihilists have no need for such contrivances - skyhooks....ha!!!
For them eternal void is better than this existence....but they must take it all with them. The thought of others living on is what confronts the perfection of their void. The first have hell, the second have their hell on earth....
Divine justice.
They've been chosen - determined - know the 'truth' that all is meaningless and without purpose, and that all are uniformly innocent, sinless, or uniformly ignorant.
All are equal below, within, god, or the void.
God or Nil is the great equalizer.

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^ I couldn't get past the first 10 minutes or so, way too much interrupting from the start.

But what I got from it is that Jay says god is the necessary condition for all knowledge claims and then constantly interrupts the other guy because of him appealing to authority.

Don't you see, all knowledge rests on the condition that god exists, so whatever you claim or say, or think to know, it proves that god exists because else you wouldn't know anything. But please no appeals to authority after I claim that all knowledge rests on the ultimate godly authority.

That being said, the other guy's arrogant smirk and punchable face didn't help either. Just a hunch but maybe it turns out that both are Abrahamics in their own way. The orthodox grifter vs. the secular smirk.
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Yeah, Tyler doesn't call him on his appealing to authority and then justifying the existence of god by appealing to god as a necessary prerequisite for all knowledge.
They use 'god' as a representation of absolute order.



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^ Everything must be certain, I need an explanation right now and it must be absolutely certain. In the sense that I need certainty in my life. - That's the vibe I'm getting from Jay's circle.

God is not to be questioned, so we don't ask what justifies the existence of god, but we have to have a justification for logic and that justification must be god, can't be anything else.



I doubt that those fabbits really need or care for a justification for logic. That's just a pretext. Oh my god, I live in fear because I don't have a simple explanation for how logic came into being... can't take it no more. Ahhhh!
So what's the reason, is it the certainty of going to heaven and having certainty in your life again after having had your identity de-constructed through J-Americanism?
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Yes...they need finality, certainty....absolute.
Ther announcement of the death of god leads to a linguistic replacement.

That the world cannot be completely comprehensible terrifies them.

I believe logic was created to discipline the human brain to natural order, and natural always I said, are patterns underlying matter/energy, or perceived energy patterns.
They are rules that apply to all perceptible patterns.

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Free-Will is about the loss of "innocence."
Absolution.
Sometimes it goes further and is about the loss of salvation.

The 'death of god,' again, has had traumatic psychological effects.

If you notice, they describe the universe in exactly the same way as they defined Abraham's totalitarian, authoritarian one-god...minus consciousness, although some also include that part as in "Will to Power" means "universal will to power" not individual.
Will applies to all, not only to life.

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They'll do anything to preserve God, as Deus, as Order...as Consciousness, as intentionality....
Like a child suddenly orphaned. It will adopt any adult - anything that appears power, and mysterious - as its parent.
Nihilism follows.

Just think what the loss of a creator god implies about death, or about life.
What it implies about an individual's responsibility...and you get one chance to get it right, and this one chance is determined genetically, shrinking probabilities.

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I only watched the first 30 minutes but I think Matt Dillahunty is pretty open to reason and logic about many subjects. In that sense, according to Jay's reasoning, he's closer to god than Jay himself. It shows that he has thought about such questions and I like that he openly admitted that he has no certain idea about how logic is "justified".

As you've said, logic is something that we engage in, sometimes flawed at it as well, to navigate reality. Logical thinking, at least to some degree, probably precedes the first idea about a deity. But that's just an intuitive assumption could be very much off base.
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^ So what's a sacrifice then?
Bruce Wayne sacrifices his wealth temporarily to gain insight into the existence of the poor.
It's not a real (TM) sacrifice if it doesn't hurt you enough? If it's only temporal pain and not eternal then it doesn't count? Weird point to focus on.

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late 13c., "the offering of something (especially a life) to a deity as an act of propitiation, homage, etc.;" mid-14c., "that which is offered (to a deity) in sacrifice," from Old French sacrifise "sacrifice, offering" (12c.), from Latin sacrificium, from sacrificus "performing priestly functions or sacrifices," etymologically "a making sacred," from sacra "sacred rites" (properly neuter plural of sacer "sacred;" see sacred) + combining form of facere "to make, to do" (from PIE root *dhe- "to set, put").

Originally especially of Christ's propitiatory offering of himself for the world. Latin sacrificium is glossed in Old English by ansegdniss. The general sense of "act of giving up a desirable thing for a higher object or to a more pressing claim," also "something given up for the sake of another" is recorded from 1590s. Baseball sense of "hit made by the batter not to get himself to base but to enable another player to advance" is by 1880.

It'd be more interesting to talk about the original sin and what that's actually supposed to be and why anyone should feel guilty about it and so forth. Why you need Jesus to solve a problem that you wouldn't know you have if they hadn't talked you into having it in the first place...


Lamb of god...
God sacrifices his son...
a role-reversal of the story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son for god...

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Lamb of god...
God sacrifices his son...
a role-reversal of the story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son for god...
That's the important point.

It's an inversion within Abrahamism, symbolizing that God is actually the 'holy' one, not Abraham, since Abraham didn't go through with the sacrifice.

The symbolism of Father sacrificing Son is very important in European history, because it represents the Son going off to war, to fight instead of his Father. In this way, an only begotten son, can and sometimes is used, as a sacrifice of the State/Government, to go to war for the purposes of another. These purposes can be corrupted, unjust, and only for the profit of a few wealthy elites.
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^ So what's a sacrifice then?
Bruce Wayne sacrifices his wealth temporarily to gain insight into the existence of the poor.
It's not a real (TM) sacrifice if it doesn't hurt you enough? If it's only temporal pain and not eternal then it doesn't count? Weird point to focus on.

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late 13c., "the offering of something (especially a life) to a deity as an act of propitiation, homage, etc.;" mid-14c., "that which is offered (to a deity) in sacrifice," from Old French sacrifise "sacrifice, offering" (12c.), from Latin sacrificium, from sacrificus "performing priestly functions or sacrifices," etymologically "a making sacred," from sacra "sacred rites" (properly neuter plural of sacer "sacred;" see sacred) + combining form of facere "to make, to do" (from PIE root *dhe- "to set, put").

Originally especially of Christ's propitiatory offering of himself for the world. Latin sacrificium is glossed in Old English by ansegdniss. The general sense of "act of giving up a desirable thing for a higher object or to a more pressing claim," also "something given up for the sake of another" is recorded from 1590s. Baseball sense of "hit made by the batter not to get himself to base but to enable another player to advance" is by 1880.
From Latin sacrum facia, the making of things sacred.

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It'd be more interesting to talk about the original sin and what that's actually supposed to be and why anyone should feel guilty about it and so forth. Why you need Jesus to solve a problem that you wouldn't know you have if they hadn't talked you into having it in the first place...
I've offered my own take on it.
Adam's challenge of god's will, expressing liberation from natural order.

Allegorical narration of emerging self-consciousness.
Eating, consuming, the "forbidden fruit" sparks self-awrness. A new source of need/suffering.
Shame because now man can perceive himself objectively - in the third-person. This, I claim, necessitated nihilism as a way of defending the ego against this objectivity, i.e., seeing yourself as others see you.

I also connect this "sin" to ouroboros and the reason why primitive heathens gave thanks to the prey they killed and consumed.
This is related to the previous point. They sympathized with another life and felt its pain - feeling guilty, ashamed for having to take its life.
This was converted by Christianity into present day thanksgiving
We show gratitude to the sacred in the life we've consumed throughout the year, and we ask forgiveness from their spirits to appease our sympathetic guilt.
This was weaponized by Abrahamic religions producing various rituals of self-abengaiton. .
Clearly some psychologies cannot overcome this sympathetic phase of objectivity.
They cannot proceed towards empathy and remain trapped in sympathy, most often - seeing themselves in the others suffering - and rarely antipathy - despising himself in and through another.

So this pagan sanctification of ones prey and enemies - they also showed reverence towards the men they slaughtered - was converted to self-demnonization....primordial sin.
Man is the source of all evil - man corrupts the world.
We see this clearly when we idealize life, other than man....and believe that primitive men were pure, innocent...Pinker's "noble savage"....and modern men - now European males - are evil, scoundrels, brutal....etc.
denial of free-will is an attempt to return to the Grden of Eden, before Adam made the "mistake" - returning to a state of impotent, innocence.
Men rejecting the exercise of free-will; surrendering to God's will.
 
Anfang wrote:
Lamb of god...
God sacrifices his son...
a role-reversal of the story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son for god...
As Dillahunty correctly explained, there is no "sacrifice" when nothing of value is given.
A narrative to make the lambs feel guilty; binding them in guilt....a guilt they can never erase, so they must give offerings daily, yearly.....

Like morality, religion does not invent guilt and shame, it weaponizes it; using ti as a tool to emotionally manipulate and exploit.
We don't need Christ to feel bad about the chicken we are consuming - even if modern man never experiences its slaughter like pagans, men of the country side, did.
Modern men are urbanites....and Judaism and Christianity are urban religions.

I've experiences lambs being slaughtered.....and I've had to kill a rabbit when I was 14....you never forget the first time.
My father slaughtered a goat once. he decided to do ti himself and not to pay an expert...for easter.
He had no experience so he made the animal suffer.
I still recall its cries as blood gurgled in tis esophagus....screamings....like a child.
After that he never did it again....
Do you hear the lambs crying Clarice?!!
Ha!!
Anyway....one never forgets such things, especially if you are an individual who is naturally sympathetic and can perceive in the third-person...
This is where ecmandu is trapped....and iamretarded....
The opposite of autism....autists cannot perceive themselves as others do....they are trapped in the first-person manimal perspective.

Most never have this experience with death. For them meat comes packaged, mostly bloodless, neat....faceless....inanimate...ready to cook.
Whoever has experienced the slaughter of animals feels this guilt....no Religion is required to feel it.
It is a product of sympathy.
Animals feel sympathy and they need no Jesus and no god.

Next stage is empathy without sympathy/antipathy. I've gone through that.

Yeah, so primordial sin has to do with all that.

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