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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 20 EmptySun Sep 04, 2022 7:26 pm

Yes, it's about localizing the source of an action - cause.
They need a primary cause - an absolute creator, prime mover - because they want to remain innocent of whatever happens to them, or not culpable for all the collateral consequence of their judgments and choices.

They need to place the source outside them - preferably in a metaphysical beyond that contradicts the physical experienced existent world.
This is why I call them "recovering Abrahamics"....addicts that remain addicts even though they haven't used for a while.
Them falling off the wagon, and returning to their addiction, is always a possibility - they place their faith in an external force....whatever they may call it, because they've lost trust in themselves.

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Denial of free-will, philosophically called "Determinism" and sourced in Abrahamic compulsions and lore/dogma, is a physical source of Scapegoating and shifting-blame, shifting Causality around, to suit an ulterior motive or greater agenda.  Politicians and Priests have practiced this 'art' for millenniums.

The power/cause/source is removed from the midwit, and reassigned to a "higher power".  This is the source of the majority belief of 'God', or any god, or any spirituality, even a belief in "Nature" as a superstition and mysticism.

In the face of a dangerous, violent, horrifying world...where random violence brutalizes animals and organisms everyday, every second, the compulsion of the midwit is to run far and wide, in order to stick his/her head in the sand.  Where is this respite?  Abrahamics claimed that it is in this holy "Book".  And that humanity should stick its head here, for total darkness, total respite, total peace.

Total ignorance.  The difference, is that this ignorance is also 'chosen'.  A chosen ignorance, is bliss/happiness/hedonism.  They could confront the unknown, the void, the darkness, but they routinely chose not to.  Charlatans took advantage of Cowardice of the masses, and used it, to manipulate fear from the masses.

Where not to better instill superstitions and mystical fears, than within children?  Teach a child that dragons live over the three hills, and they won't be traveling outside the tribal boundaries anytime soon...until one day, a teenage boy, feels that it is better to die than remain living within the politically landlocked hometown.  He would rather die to a dragon, than to stay inside his own society.
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This is also why a Slave cannot be a Master,
And a Master cannot be a Slave, the Master/Slave Dialectic.
There's some type of 'spirit', to them, that differentiates them from an "authority figure".

And this "authority" represents somebody who has the 'Cause', the 'Determination' inside of them, rather than outside.  Somebody who is "self-determined".
Every choice has positive and negative consequences, most of which are unforeseeable.
They want to not be held accountable for the negative, unforeseeable, consequence of their judgements and choices - see how the moron obsesses over the unwanted consequence of unprotected sex, insisting on abortion as the only way to erase the consequences of a bad judgement call.
Desiring to erase what this says about the woman who is impregnated and then changes her mind.....and the shame connected with this error in judgement and a slew of bad choices.
They want to collectivize the negative consequences to attain parity of mind - so there is no hierarchy of superior/inferior.

See her ignore talking about the consequences....effect...preferring to only talk about the cause as a way of erasing participation in causality.

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And of course she finds agreement among mid-wits and dim-wits who find this as a pleasing escape form their own culpability in their own negative circumstances.
Her appealing to the audience, speaks to this...she knows her duplicity is seductive and popular, so she makes 'truth' into a popularity contest.
Obsessing over views....
And look at the types she attracts?
Gib found her "eloquent" and "smart", and then ran off to never return and face the music....that about says it all, don't it?

But...it's all subjective...and determined, so gib cannot not have considered her to be otherwise.
Her poor judgment and choice to express it, must be blamed on something other than himself.
We can deny self, altogether, so who are we to blame?
Nothing.
See the attraction?

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Oh yes, I noticed too, lamb is obsessed, and has tapped into emotion/drama/soap operas as a feminine compensation. Since they can only go so far in philosophy, not that far, then they switch to personal attacks, personal info, gossiping and rumor spreading, which exposes their mental limits. But, they keep coming back for more.


Here is some more about the spiritual/mystical aspect of cause and free-will.

Early on in human history, there was a very high Demand...for an outlet, for that desperation for peace and utopia, where everybody can be 'safe' and 'equal'. It didn't take long (post-literacy) for other men, more intelligent, to tap into and start ab/using this Demand. And it wasn't difficult either. Because, by the point Demand rose high enough...midwits and dimwits and nimwits were all ready to believe anything, in order to offload their shame, their guilt, their fear, onto another.

This represents the earliest stages of mysticism, as a physical method of offloading cause/blame/autonomy onto another, a higher power, a spiritual authority, to transfer the physical to the metaphysical, attempting to shift causality into a "new world" entirely.

These representations are still, most relevant today.
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In the context of free-will - brought down to earth and reconnected to actions that can be falsified and experienced - genetics determine the range of potentials that establish the degree of freedom and the degree of focus an individual can cultivate, without excluding the possibility of exceeding these inherited limits.

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Desperate Degenerates associate will and its freedom with ego - or conscious mind; lucid mind.
They prefer to associate their intent with what they are aware of it, and dismiss all collateral consequences which were not intended, and all subconscious, or unconscious judgements and choices.
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This unconscious part of the mind they associate with the divine, or an external agency, or fate, disassociating themselves from it - in extreme cases denying the self to deny this part of themselves.
They deny what they cannot know, nor want to know, because this part is what contradicts their conscious convictions.
They can decide the lucid part of consciousness but they cannot deceive their unconscious, and it is this that troubles them and often exposes the self-deceit.

Will requires no mind....no nervous system no brain.
Freedom requires no mind....no nervous system no brain.

A plant wills, and its freedom is measured by how much resistance it can endure and surpass on its movement towards an objective.

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PostSubject: Re: Free-Will Free-Will - Page 20 EmptyMon Sep 05, 2022 8:08 pm

Control of one's own mind is the critical factor. What direction is your mind oriented, pointed toward what, which ideal occupies it at which moments of your day and life? The lower the IQ, the less "self"-control a person has. There are other factors, like bravery, courage, resistance, rebelliousness, wisdom, age, etc. Psychologists, like Peterson, refer to these as dis/agreeable traits.

I liken it to strength/weakness of mind.

A weak-mind is easily dominated. Most children have weak minds, and bodies, due to immaturity. But in those, like on ILP, adults can live their whole lives as weak-minded followers/slaves. They 'feel' attracted to certain Authorities, or imagery of Authority, and devote themselves to what other people think, "experts", and leave the 'thinking' up to them. Most of humanity follows these rules. Thus, to Philosophy, these so-called "experts" and "authorities" must be investigated. Who or What dictates the 'ideal', the direction, the objective, of the masses?

And how much am I-myself influenced and directed by those same processes? This is where the miasma of Abrahamic-Nihilism comes in. These trends are centuries, millenniums old. These processes are timeless. They are rooted in Biology. Mammals have a desperate need for Authority and pack (predator) or herd-morality (prey). This is identified as leader/follower/exile status, or Master/Slave dichotomy.

You think for yourself, or, a stranger will gladly do it for you (Freud/Bernays/Disney/Hollywood).

Philosophy is very much a fight for Independence and Individuality of thought. It is not a vain hope for 'complete' or perfect Autonomy, but relatively so, compared to the great Thinkers and wise men of the past. It is a competition. Others will gladly hold you down, tie you up, and keep you low, out of spite and jealousy at the basest emotional levels. The Nihilist has a definitive attitude in life, that hates to see others excel, or the "Triumph of the Spirit/Will". The amount of Nihilism/Resentiment of a Nation, defines its 'spiritual' or moral status. Is the Nation/Society moralized, or de-moralized? Is it hopeful of the future and optimistic, or despaired and pessimistic? Is it strong, or weak?

Abundance/Hedonism/Decadence weakens nations; Success leads to failure. "Conservatism" is an ideology that attempts to 'save' or withhold wealth, for as long as possible. Yet, no human can take their wealth to the grave with them. Thus there must be incentives beyond one's own life. Traditionally, this is biological children.

But now, in Postmodernity, this is specifically attacked. The ideal of 'biology' must not exist, to the lunatic fringe, otherwise these degenerates expose themselves immediately, as not playing by their own rules. Biological family is slandered...for the Proletariat, but not the Bourgeois. A set of rules and justice for the plebs, but not for the elites.

You have to buy your way into a Biological lineage, in a Capitalist society, and the price rises with inflation, until the great majority can no longer afford such a thing, mansions in gated communities with private police, to protect the Liberal-Leftists who preach what they never intended to follow in the first place.
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Dimwits are fooled by complexity... this has been said many times on this forum, as evidence of the superior intellects of its members. A sufficiently advanced technology is perceived as magic by inferior intellects... cargo cults of the Pacific.

Cognition, however, is far too complex to be reduced to a mere quantitative formula. How can it possibly explain things such as the ego, unconscious, free will, individuality, qualia, life, etc... Great minds (ancestors) have used these terms for centuries, they must mean something. We should honour them by building on our heritage. 'Nature' is not just a word.

The more complex the word-salad, the more we attempt to interrelate its parts, the closer the model comes to describing... something.

Apparently the brain is composed of something other than electro-chemical forces in a dynamical system creating conscious experience. The subjective part of this experience will always be necessary to explain it. We know this because no one has produced a mathematically-based model that can successfully emulate it yet. And if they did, we wouldn't be able to understand it anyway as it would be enormously complex. Best brush over that.

And anyway, I've already described that in my word-salad. Yet again you have failed to comprehend it. This is how I will prove I presaged the next great genius.  

Just like the absolute isn't possible because we haven't experienced it, witnessed it. Velocities greater than the speed of light are possible... Einstein, like Beckett, was a 'shit stain'. Someone hiding his inferiority behind a curtain of nihilistic tendencies. The ancestral gods do not proscribe limits, except when it comes to our behaviour. Chaos will make things inherently unpredictable - random is the best way to describe this. But a man will never be a woman. Amen.

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Silas wrote:

Cognition, however, is far too complex to be reduced to a mere quantative formula. How can it possibly explain things such as the ego, unconscious, free will, individuality, qualia, life, etc... Great minds (ancestors) have used these terms for centuries, they must mean something. We should honour them by building on our heritage. 'Nature' is not just a word.
Ha!!
Every word refers to an action.....an interaction.
The salad is your brain, and words are all in pieces floating in it.

Since you read what is posted...read again...
Words are mediators between the crap in your head and the world independent from it.

'Nature' refers has two broad referents, one part of the larger other:
It refers to all patterns - perceived and not. Natural order.
It also refers to living organizations of said patterns, that exhibit intentionality - will.

This is what differentiates life from non-life.

Now, if this baffles your brain and it's all a salad...then is it the world's fault...or is the fault to be found in the world, or in your head?

Silas wrote:
The more complex the word-salad, the more we attempt to interrelate its parts, the closer the model comes to describing... something.
to a Neanderthal explaining a internal combustion engine would be futile....all words salads in its head.

I try to use multiple methods- replacing words with simpler words, suing allegories and metaphors....but if it still escapes you....the so be it.
Who cares?
Some complexities are beyond the simple mind's ability.
Isn't complexity relative?

Silas wrote:
Apparently the brain is composed of something other than electro-chemical forces in a dynamical system creating conscious experience. The subjective part of this experience will always be necessary to explain it. We know this because no one has produced a mathematically-based model that can succesfully emulate it yet. And if they did, we wouldn't be able to understand it anyway as it would be enormously complex. Best brush over that.
Excellent, little mind....and the key word is 'yet'.
But we've come a long way, haven't we?

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And anyway, I've already described that in my word-salad. Yet again you have failed to comprehend it. This is how I will prove I presaged the next great genius.
 I mean, you can flatter yourself.
Nothing wrong with seeking self-esteem in your retardation.
ILP is best for you.

Silas wrote:
Just like the absolute isn't possible because we haven't experienced it, witnessed it. Velocities greater than the speed of light are possible... Einstein, like Beckett, was a 'shit stain'. Someone hiding his inferiorty behind a curtain of nihilistic tendencies. The ancestral gods do not proscribe limits, except when it comes to our behaviour. Chaos will make things inherently unpredictable, random is the best way to describe this, but a man will never be a woman. Amen.
Unfortunately not, simpleton.
Absolute, as the immutable, indivisible, singularity, you so desperately need, would contradict experienced reality, and so is only possible as an idea, you cannot get rid of.
But if you are so desperate to project into the world what only exist in your simpleton mind, contradicting what you experience, then who am I to stop you....nd why would I?
Your unyielding faith in the singularity tells me you are a god believer, or a recovering Abrahamic that simply canto let go of the traits his one-god was given.
I cannot help anyone's addiction or obsession issues.

I'm a diagnostician, not a therapist.

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Harsh truths!
Indeed...and your defences are formidable.
I also always say....stupidity is its own defence.

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Denial of free-will goes back to the bible and Christ's supposed sacrifice to absolve man's primordial sin.
Which was what?
Exercising his free-will, by choosing to eat from the forbidden fruit of promethean wisdom - a metaphor of self-awarness.
So a sacrifice had to be given, offered, to this "benevolent divinity" who knew his rules would be broken and still threatened with eternal damnation.
a way of warning to not exercise free-will, but to surrender will, to enslave it, to divine authority, through mediators, , e.g., the priestly class.
for this sacrifice this "altruistic divinity" was offering eternal salvation.
This is why these recovering Abrahamics, self-delcared atheists Marxists, cannot let go of this offering.

The damned, the condemned, must recover their salvation, their "innocence," through the blood offering of this Christ - this "chastened one" or "chosen" to suffer on behalf of mankind....remind you of another "chosen group" suffering for divinity?
Baptism and Christian rituals was how one accepted this offering of salvation.

So, these cryto-Marxists, want to return to it, denying free-will as a way of denying their participation in this "primordial sin" of choice - which is a denial of wisdom, or what separated man from animal
ergo, they present themselves as manimals....men who want to return to a innocent state - as they imagine it - of the animal.
Every word I use is not arbitrary....like 'manimal'....like 'sheeple'....like 'desperate degenerates'....
They renounce free-0will, and wisdom, and want to devolve to the pre-self-awarness phase of evolution.
They consider this "innocence", as in "ignorance is bliss.
You see this clearly in regard to intentionality, will....conscious intent.
They deny any culpability in unforeseen negative consequences, or unintended collateral effects....and now they deny even conscious intentional acts.
See Ecmandu's guilt ridden pathos concerning 'consent'.
See iamretarded and ho she want sot deny all responsibility to herself, through this Mary Land character and her abortion dilemma.
Every choice has a negative consequence...this is what bites at their Abrahamic spiritual heels.
How will they deserve eternal salvation if they are guilty of pain and suffering.
Bad Karma, right?
Nothingness is, for these cowardly hypocrites, a form of salvation.
I mean, one of them is a sex offender, who ruined his life thinking he was "doing the right thing" when all he was doing is 'sewing his seeds,' and at a cost....because all gains entail a potential loss.
This they cannot stomach...this unforeseeable, unpredictable, consequence for their every "well intended" (consciously) act.
They imagined Nietzsche's "living dangerously" as a life that lead to great rewards and accolades.
They deny any participation in unconscious judgements and choices....because it is easy.
So, they only accept consequences they can predict to their intentional acts, and deny all unforeseen, by them, collateral damages.
Free-will they associate with an absolute, so as to then mock and reject it....just as other hypocritical morons reduced race to skin pigmentation to mock it.

They define words out of existence, so as to then excuse themselves from their attainment....mock them as delusional, because they are, because they made them so.

Try to bring "free-will" or "love" or "value" or "morality" 'down to earth', by returning these words to their rightful role as connectors to actions.
Try it.
See how they will run, or mock, or undermine, or evade.
Try to demystify 'love'....see how they react.
Try to demystify 'free-will'...try to demystify 'identity', 'self.'
See their defensive nihilism?
They want these words to remain mystical, or abstract, or easily rejected and mocked - meaningless word salad
See this moron now on KTS, and how he uses his own idiocy as evidence of meaninglessness.

they have no purpsoe...no earthly attainable objectives, so they need these other-wordly objectives, or they need to reduce all objectives to meaningless and irrelvent....to comfort themselves.

Like I said a long, long time ago, in the War like on Other...this is a war against a psychosis...an existential angst.
This is more than about survival...this is ego.
No reason will work here.
We must find other weapons/tools to deal with these lost causes.
We are in the midst of a real Zombie Apocalypse.

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though, these desperate degenerates who deny free-will, will never admit it - by choice - they are teleologists.
they believe the universe has a telos, an end, an objective.
all is "perfect" because all is in accordance with natural order.
They replace order with divine omnipotence.
Everything that happens is inevitable. It could not have been any other way, just as nobody can contradict god's will.

They cannot choose to do other than god's will, or what is in accordance with universal order, expressed via causality.
They have no part in it - they are "innocent."
This is the desired.
A preservation of their none- participation, their innocence....Christ, after all, absolved them of all sin, since that deplorable event of Adam's choice.
They have outgrown the god metaphor - as infantile - and have "matured" towards purified abstraction, replacing god's absoluteness with the term 'order.'
So that, order must always be restored....just as 'goodness' was, since order is concealed even in chaos, just as god is omnipresent, even in 'evil'....a self-cotnrdiction they had to explain.
Because if chaos is defines as hidden order, then all is order, there is no free w-ill, and only god's will is the degerming agency, i.e., absolute order is god.
This makes life a joke, and we are its punchline.
A farce, that does indeed preserve innocence, since guilt, responsibility is outsourced to this divine agency of absoluteness.

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The midwits and dimwits use Abrahamism, their inheritance and heritage, in a 1-to-1 ratio for Postmodern Politics. Just replace "innocence" with 'Privilege'. Just replace "God" with 'State'. Protestants brag about the "separation of church and state", but this was and is a farce, a simple ruse. Protestantism has copied almost every aspect of Catholicism, due to an inferiority complex from the Anglos toward the Græco-Romans. Because the former lack such an extensive history and civilization, which the feel they did not acquire naturally. The Britons, like the Norwegians and Slavs, arrived at European civilization centuries later after the Greeks and Romans.

In truth, the Anglos copied a system they still don't fully understand, which is why most Protestant cults are seen as laughable attempts at Christianity. Furthermore, it makes the Jewish incursion into the US, from 1940-to-today, much more sensible and understandable. Because these two, Jews and Anglos, have been most at odds with the Pope and Catholicism for millenniums as well. For those uneducated, simply look at British history, the rise of the Anglican Church, and the Church of England.

These postmodern nitwits recognize and interpret State-enforced political power with divine omnipotence, and the Righteousness and benefit of that power, creates a two-tier justice system where the 'Law' does not apply to the ruling class/caste. This is what the minions want.

They want the 'Privilege', to be stupid, to remain ignorant, fat, lazy, useless fucks. Brain-dead.

They want the 'Privilege', to shift their own lifetimes of failure, onto others, which is now shifting against Conservative, Traditional, Rightwing Americans.

They want the 'Privilege' to be unaccountable, incapable of responsibility.

Then they simply run an endless line of gaslighting, compulsive lying, and fleeing with all their speed, when exposed and confronted on these points. This is easily proved by the long, long trail, list of pages of contradictions and hypocrisies of the liberal-left since the 1990s, and 1960s. They said they wanted "world peace". But not when Trump does it.

And, for further political intrigue, that put the Military-Industrial contractors at odds with American populism, since it was a threat to their endless cashflow....
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‘Free’ does not mean 'free from influence,' free from suffering, free from the past'; ‘free’ means transcending suffering and past, to whatever degree you can; it means choices, options, it means power. ‘Free’ means to overcome what was done in the past (chosen) guided by the results; ‘free’ measures adaptability, learning, wisdom; ‘free’ means controlling your organic needs and desires, just as courage means overcoming and controlling your fears and anxieties. Freedom qualifies willpower.
‘Will’ does not refer to something metaphysical, abstract, mystical. It refers to the experienced, to organic focus and intentional movement towards an objective, a destination, a goal. Will to....life, or power, or whatever. Not just 'will.’
‘Will’ describes a dynamic movement, not a static thing; it describes a conscious intent, and an unconscious drive. Plants will... but not stones. There is no will outside organic life, because will is what distinguishes the living from the non-living, viz., the living do not always follow the path-of-least-resistance, like lifeless energies do, having no objective, no telos, no intent, living organisms' they can choose to follow paths-of-more-resistance, because they have an objective – the primal objective of self-preservation being the primary – ‘will to will,’ means the ‘will to life,’ and ‘will to power’ refers to the movement towards multiplying options, i.e., freedom; ‘will’ to liberate oneself from primal drives and create and move towards alternatives.
Will to Power transcends Will to Life – sorry Schopenhauer – because of mortality and the inevitability of death and need/suffering.
Absolute freedom is another way of describing the Abrahamic one-god, with its infinite options, and imagined omnipotence. Once this absurdity was overcome nihilism declared freedom to be illusory, imagining it as omnipotence with infinite options; it claimed impotence as its salvation myth.
Living organisms can never have infinite options, their freedoms are finite and fluctuating.

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Absolute, as the immutable, indivisible, singularity, you so desperately need, would contradict experienced reality, and so is only possible as an idea, you cannot get rid of.
But if you are so desperate to project into the world what only exist in your simpleton mind, contradicting what you experience

Time dilation does contradict experienced reality dimwit, because we are not used to travelling at relativistic speeds in everyday life... not to mention how hard such a feat is technologically. But for the sake of argument let us say that it is possible. Travelling speeds up to the speed of light means you experience time dilation (experimental evidence for this here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for the voyager this means time passes slower relative to someone at rest, hence what for you may have only been a few hours was for the person at rest several years, decades, centuries or whatever depending on the velocity you were going (you're essentially travelling forward in time). Travel faster than light, however, entails that relative to an inertial frame of reference you would actually be travelling backwards in time... and violating causality.

Yes, you're actually undermining your own argument by rejecting limits. Where are these time travellers from the future? Can you point to them? Isn't it sobering that despite of the vast amounts of time in front of us, this limit on the speed of light is never exceeded and can't be for the obvious reasons above... the whole of science (and philosophy) would be invalidated. Reality would become absurd.


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HA!!
Order = consistent, repeating.....
Moron...
Absolute is not consistency.
Absolute  = indivisible, immutable - singularity.

Pattern, such as light energy and its velocity is defined as consistent and repeating, and predictable.

Time = change.....
Change experienced relativistically.
An organisms' metabolism = its perceptual and processing speeds.

Now fuck off, you bore me and distract me from serious things.

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No you cretin, the upper limit on velocity is not an example of a consistent, repeating pattern, as this implies it could change. It's absolute. It's fixed, immutable, unchanging... forever. You can't exceed it... never, not now, not ever, get it? Such a thing is not possible because it would make a mockery of existence as I explained above. It would violate causality. It would mean you could go back in time, fuck yo mama and become your own father, see? Why can't we go back in time and change our lives after they've been lived? Are they immutable, unchanging? Why?

"The speed of light is absolute; that means it is the same seen by any observer, no matter how fast the observer is moving relative to the light source."

Do you now also accept the existence of Absolute Zero? The (your) Flux ends up contradicting itself. It can't be true, as activity beyond certain limits is not possible. Hence, all is [not] activity. Your own philosophy ends up invalidating itself, circular, and ultimately meaningless.

You are a charlatan, travelling around the web with his magic salad bowl, claiming some kind of formidable ability. Sad.
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Ha!!
Pathetic creature.
You cannot deal with existence and its uncertainties.
Darkness is the end phase...no light, diminishing order, diminishing patterns.
All patterns, moron, exist as consistent and predictable.
That's what pattern means, imbecile.

Your need betrays you...another pattern that is also mutable.

No absolutes, imbecile.
'Absolute' defined as immutable, indivisible, singularity, not pattern, imbecile.
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The speed of light is constant, or so textbooks say. But some scientists are exploring the possibility that this cosmic speed limit changes, a consequence of the nature of the vacuum of space.
Light is energy...not a static thing - it is ordered vibration/oscillation, not a singularity.
All patterns, moron, are constant....THAT is what a patterns are, moron!!!
Go back and see how I defined order, i.e., pattern.
All patterned energies are constant, moron...that's why they are patterned.

Read my definitions, moron.

But patterns deteriorate.

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Thee is no absolute zero, imbecile.
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ab·so·lute ze·ro
[ˈˌabsəˈˌl(y)o͞ot ˈzirō, ˈzērō]
NOUN
the lowest temperature that is theoretically possible, at which the motion of particles that constitutes heat would be minimal. It is zero on the Kelvin scale, equivalent to –273.15°C or –459.67°F.
Absolute zero would be non-existence existing....
All that exists is dynamic ergo measurable...energy.
Even space has a measurable temperature, idiot.

No god, little boy.
Sorry....no Abrahamic god for you.

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Void, or what is mistaken for an absolute is what is complex or chaotic - immeasurable, because it lacks order, it has no pattern for any sense organ or manmade instrument to measure....since measurement required consistency and chaos - true chaos not complexity - lacks consistency so it cannot be measured..nor perceived and yet it is energy that interacts and affects order.
This is the part you should exploit moron, to tear me down and help you escape my dominance over your mind.
Chaos is the weakness in my world-view....metaphysics.
The rest you cannot touch, because you admitted it is incomprehensible to you...."word salad".

You adopt 'absolute' as an expression of certainty - which is also false....it is really a probability beyond reasonable doubt.
I define absolute as singularity, imbecile, not certainty, not predictability, not consistency, since I define order as being both predictable and consistent.
i do not doubt order, moron...order is part of my thesis....I deny a singularity - absolute certainty, or indivisible, immutable thing.....one/nil as existing outside the mind.
I do not deny consistency, constants, moron.

Your god is denied as you define this imaginary concept.

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Ah yes... a lame quote from quack science and then you invoke the word salad in an attempt to divert attention from suddenly being exposed... and then the button pushing starts. You're like one of those clairvoyants in a tent, dodging questions on the real, unable to state anything concrete, directing attention back to your crystal ball and mystical pronunciations whilst subtly trying to garner personal information from the other. It would be amusing except for what it reveals about your real intentions. Patterns.

That's why peer review would defeat the object right?
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A world where life has no agency and does not participate in what is being determined through judgment and choice, describes existence as a joke.
Many Desperate Degenerates prefer to describe existence as a joke, a farce, to escape being the punchline.

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The extent to which judgments and choices are determined prior to conscious awareness will be answered by neuroscience in the future. Not by philosophy.

"Philosophy as science, as serious, rigorous, indeed apodictically rigorous science - the dream is over."
- Husserl

What is a joke is a world without limits, a blank canvas, that can then be used by those looking to advance their own vengeful agenda on it. Hateful failures. Language is the tool as it is given to fiction, subjectivity, metaphor, able to distort reality... and everyone understands it of course.

Adolf should have died a vagrant on the streets of Vienna but impressionable minds started listening to his word salad. Believing it (no coincidence that the Nazis admired the word salad of Nietzche). We know what happened next.
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Cool, you "exposed me."
Enjoy your victory.

If you continue to derail threads, by posting outside of the thread's topic, you will face what iamretarded suffered..a. demotion.
I will tolerate no more men-children following me around yapping inanities, trying to usurp my domination over them.
Declare victory, and carry on. Convince your friends and your pappy that you "exposed Satyr"...who cares?
First and last warning.

p.s., moron....open-ended is Faustian. You are a Jew in spirit.
Absolutes, enclosures, fences,....certainties...
A herd manimal.
Poland?
Ha!!

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The "anomaly is systemic...creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations..."..another way of saying "there are no absolutes - outside mathematical or linguistic representations; there are no singularities, no indivisible immutable things...all is process, i.e., fluctuations, some patterned and others not....the latter dealt in the second vid below with an act...
The genitally self-mutilating creators did not clearly nor correctly identify the "anomaly." They never go into the "fluctuations" (Flux).... Instead, they veered off into emotional tangents...'love' was and is their usual diversion.
The "anomaly" is chaos...ΧΑΟΣ.
A "systemic anomaly" necessitating a reaction...as a matter of adaptation and survival.

The "problem is choice."
On the screens behind Neo a representations of options....choices he could have made.
It is "the problem" for hard determinists, and nihilists, i.e., recovering Abrahamics.
It is a "problem" not so effectively dealt with in the Testaments, as the problem converted into "primordial sin," attempting to discredit and to convince simpletons and cowards that they have no real choice - an easy sell, when you have so much to conceal and excuse away to protect the ego.
They weaponized choice and turned it around on itself, as sinful, i.e., challenging the perfection of order - what they called "god"....urging the self-mutilating ones to declare this world "imperfect," and themselves the ones "chosen" to heal it and return it to its "original perfection," i.e., absoluteness.
A "systemic problem," remaining despite their efforts to "correct the anomaly."
The entire movie is a self-mutilated propaganda spectacle.

"Choice" is empirical...not theoretical, nor abstract. An action we can all experience ourselves, and witness in others.
This is "a problem" for them, not for us.
All they have are words to discredit and negate it...yet, there it remains, unfazed.
Choice.
The action of will - its range of options exposing its 'freedom' - freedom being a measure of power and power a determinant of freedom.
Will to power can be restated as will to freedom.
Not an abstract nonsensical concepot....an activity.
All these degenerates have - these genitally mutilated, these mentally lobotomized zombies - are abstractions to create and to casually negate.

Choice is also what identifies (individuates) - the act of choice, founded on a process of sensually gathering and evaluating sensual data, i.e., judgement, this interactivity, this continuous process, is the individual.  
What exists is dynamic, so an existing individual is, also, dynamic, viz., he/she is his actions, his choices distinguishing him/her from among other individuals.
An individual is the sum of his choices.....adding to the sum of choices made before his conception, including his conception.
Memories.
An individual becomes. He is what he judged and chose, and what he did with what was judged and chosen for him - including being given life by his parents - Dasein.

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Satyr wrote:

The "problem is choice."

No, the problem is what is making the choice...
Does the sun's light just appear on its surface? Or does it begin deep inside the star, the result of processes that can be understood, measured, modelled and predicted so it can be accounted for.
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Silas wrote:
No, the problem is what is making the choice
This encompasses your retardation.

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Try as they may, most cannot overcome the grief of a dead father figure - most of all not Nietzsche himself who first found him dead.
The cannot bury the corpse and walk off into uncertainty.
Responsibility burdens them - guilt for having invented and then destroyed a replacement for their mortal fathers.
They can endure no more of it, imagining the murdered god-father guiding their every move, directing their every choice, leading them towards their predestined ends.
His very death was of his making.
Their guilt is absolved.
The god-father committed suicide through his own creations.
He, like them, could not endure the responsibility.

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Most reliable slave is the one convinced there is no freedom.

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Free-will can be boiled down to critical life decisions in any individual's life.

The number one critical commonality is Sex, and the decisions underneath sex. Men and women both have sexual desires which they 'feel' are not within their control. In this observation, they are mostly correct. Because most of humanity, does *not* have control over themselves directly, but indirectly. Most of humanity is slave-minded, with a slave-mentality. They do not "own" themselves. They are "owned" by "higher powers", by "determinism", and by "God". Some will even admit to this loss of autonomy and authority, if you can trick or force them to it. Most, however, are proud of their servile nature. I, personally, link the slave-dialectic with lower and mid-tier, midwit intelligence levels. Because it is obvious that those who have weak minds (which is most, more than 51% of people), will inevitably become dominated by strong minds.

So it goes with Sexuality. People are engaging in behaviors and obsessions which they don't understand, and most do not care to understand. They care about the countless failures of their sexual impulses, but only go so far to question them, as far as they can protect their (fragile) egos. These types are taken advantage by mass marketing (the beauty industry for women, that "makeup" can save their sexual prospects from Aging), or "pickup artists" for the males.

If the slaves of Earth don't own themselves, then why would they own their sexual "choice"? In their minds, they wouldn't. It's a matter of "luck" that the fat, funny guy, 6'2", but ugly, can score an attractive woman, a bimbo, who relies on her feminine beauty since she lacks the rationality for anything else. It's a "mystery", to the common man and woman, how those with attractive and highly demanded traits, "win", and the average, tends to lose. This is due to r/K Sexual Selection theory, which again, they would not care to learn, due to the level of intelligence required, along with the Egos that are threatened, due to its implications.

How much of organic, biological life, fails? Fails to reproduce? Or fails to survive? Much of it. Perhaps even most of it. Investigate insects, or ants. Most do *not* reproduce. Reproduction is concentrated into females, who beget astronomically large amounts of progeny. Thus the 'male' phenomenon and phenotype in nature, maybe a Rarity by comparison, sexually. It is Uncommon, in Nature, for males to have excessive amounts of progeny. This makes sense, evolutionary when there was a shift in Competition, transferred from females to males, which then offloaded Stress and Responsibility, to males, which allows females a 'privileged' position in Nature, to feed, fend for, and rear the young.


Back to choice,

Let's assume, for the midwits, that some human individuals, men and women, are capable of 'Choosing' their sexual partners. What would this mean? What would this entail? Except obviously, right away, that some (rarer) individuals can control, or at least take responsibility for, their progeny, and therefore, their genetic dynasties (which grow into distinct tribes/ethnicities/races). Thus, there is a degree of control, and variability, over sexuality and genetic lineage, in some individuals, across time.

In the same way that well-bred canines are bred by breeders.

And in the same way equines are bred for horse racing.

A Progenator, in humanity, would then 'breed' humans to do as they do, in better ways, and directly over the control of the many.


This is known as "Eugenics", and is practiced in the top 5% wealth owners throughout human civilization.
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Here is the irony, the contradiction, the hypocrisy:

The modern manimal believes s/he "owns" her biological child, her progeny, but how can s/he, when this same midwit admits to not owning him/herself???

Here is the vanity:

It's not that the midwit, the biological parent, actually owns their "own" child. It is the State's. It is the Church's (child). It is a Sacrifice, to be Offered. The child does *not* belong to the parent. This is proved, most obviously today, in the LGBTQ+ element, that sexually castrates or mutilates their children, an ancient, cultish, pagan (and Abrahamic, circumcision) practice. This is because the child is owed to a foreign ideology.

An ideology, not of the parents genealogy. Dominated by a meme, and therefore, a foreign mind, a foreign agenda.
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