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PostSubject: Re: Lessons in Conventional Language Lessons in Conventional Language - Page 5 EmptyFri Jul 26, 2019 7:08 am

There's no brilliance in what I'm saying. Just common-sense.
Rather than my brilliance beginning to shine, it is your autism that is beginning to shine (:

Let's try to explain it another way.

The word "human" implies no position in space. In other words, a living being is a human being regardless of their position in space. You can be in America or in Europe, you can be on Mars or on Pluto, you can be anywhere in the space . . . and yet, all else being equal, you'd still be a human.

To say that the word "human", by definition, implies no position in space is not to say that humans have no position in space.

That would be you sucking at logic.
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Who crates these "definitions" of conventional thinking?

Yet "human" refers to a specific thing, right?
Black/White skin colour is not the same as infinity and finitude.
Unless in my autism I missed some-thing only brilliance can know.


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No, no no, do not try to weasel out of teaching me a lesson.
Infinity and Finite is the topic.
Not skin pigmentation and race.

A bottle is both infinite and finite, correct?
One is both and neither.
So it can be anything, and everything.

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Unless in my autism I missed some-thing only brilliance common-sense can know.

I fixed this sentence for you.
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What position in space does "human" imply?

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Is your sense "common"?
I agree. We're making progress.
Your sense is as common as they come.

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Where is the concept "human" located?

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Where is "one human"? It being sexless, race-less and common sense.

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Neither finite nor infinite....where is this Platonic ideal named "human", which refers to humans in the real world.

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What position in space does "human" imply?

By definition, the word "human" implies no position in space.

So if you were to move to any other point in space, you'd still be a human.

Similarly, if something went from being finite to being infinite, it would be still be a single thing.
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Wow...that blew my mind.

So what is "single thing" a reference to?
It being both and neither, simultaneously.

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How is a human identified as being human, and not dog?
What is being compared?

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adjective
adjective: human

   1.
   relating to or characteristic of people or human beings.
   "the human body"
   synonyms: anthropoid
   "the survival of the human race"
   antonyms: animal
       of or characteristic of people as opposed to God or animals or machines, especially in being susceptible to weaknesses.
       "they are only human and therefore mistakes do occur"
       synonyms: mortal, flesh and blood; More
       fallible, weak, frail, imperfect, vulnerable, susceptible, erring, error-prone;
       physical, bodily, fleshly, carnal, corporal
       "they're only human and therefore mistakes do occur"
       antonyms: infallible
       of or characteristic of people's better qualities, such as kindness or sensitivity.
       "the human side of politics is getting stronger"
       synonyms: compassionate, humane, kind, kindly, kindhearted, considerate, understanding, sympathetic, tolerant; More
       approachable, accessible
       "the human side of politics is getting stronger"
       antonyms: inhuman
       Zoology
       of or belonging to the genus Homo.

noun
noun: human; plural noun: humans

   1.
   a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.
   synonyms: person, human being, personage, mortal, member of the human race; More

Where is this "by definition"?
What holy book of conventional understanding are you getting your "definitions"?
This definition says nothing about space or time.

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This definition says nothing about space or time.

Exactly. That's because position in space and time is a non-essential property of humans.
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Now we've progressed from claiming "one" is not finite to it being both and neither.
We are also taught that "human, by definition" implies space/time...and not race or sex.

So thing is both divisible and non-divisible - both and neither?
This is brilliant.
Like reading the Bible.
God is simultaneously three and one; both good and evil.....
A thing and a no-thing...an everything and any-thing.

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So Heidegger's Being in Time was a crock of shit.

Human has nothing to do with time or space.
It's non-essential.
I think your performance is making things clear.

Human is not time/space...it is....?
Say it.
I want you to say it.
Then I'm done.

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It's the same for "one", as your conventional brilliance understands, and does not, it.

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Now we've progressed from claiming "one" is not finite to it being both and neither.

That's not what I said.
That's your misunderstanding speaking.

Unfortunately, you're too full of yourself to realize it.

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We are also taught that "human, by definition" implies space/time...and not race or sex.

Whatever the first part of your sentence means.

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So Heidegger's Being in Time was a crock of shit.

There's a good reason to think that Heidegger is full of shit.

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Human has nothing to do with time or space.
It's non-essential.
I think your performance is making things clear.

Humans do exist in time and space, that's beyond doubt, but whether a physical object can be represented by the word "human" or not is not determined by its position in time and space. This is evident by the fact that you can be ANYWHERE in space and time and still be considered a human.
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That's not what I said.
That's your misunderstanding speaking.

Unfortunately, you're too full of yourself to realize it.
Correct me, master. Is the one finite or infinite?

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Whatever the first part of your sentence means.
If human is neither spatial nor temporal, what is it?

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There's a good reason to think that Heidegger is full of shit.
Oh, I'm learning much more than that.

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Humans do exist in time and space, that's beyond doubt, but whether a physical object can be represented by the word "human" or not is not determined by its position in time and space. This is evident by the fact that you can be ANYWHERE in space and still be considered a human.
So your conventional understanding of "human" does not exist in space/time.
It exists outside of it?
Where does "your human" exist?

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Correct me, master. Is the one finite or infinite?

A single thing can be either finite or infinite.

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If human is neither spatial nor temporal, what is it?

Humans are physical objects and physical objects are things that exist in time and space. So yes, humans do exist in time and space.

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So your conventional understanding of "human" does not exist in space/time.
It exists outside of it?
Where does "your human" exist?

I said the opposite of that. I said that humans exist in time and space.

Unfortunately, your poor understanding of English language makes you incapable of understanding other people.
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Correct me, master. Is the one finite or infinite?

A single thing can be either finite or infinite.
Ah...so it is both, simultaneously...depending no how you feel?
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Humans are physical objects and physical objects are things that exist in time and space. So yes, humans do exist in time and space.
So now time/space are characterized by space/time?
Define the concepts conventionally.

Does being human have something to do with space/time or not?
Define both "time" and "space".

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Conventional definitions.

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Space
a continuous area or expanse which is free, available, or unoccupied.
"a table took up much of the space"
synonyms: room, expanse, extent, capacity, area, volume, spaciousness, scope, latitude, expansion, margin, leeway, play, clearance; More
headroom, legroom, elbow room
"there was not enough space for them all"
gap, interval, opening, aperture, gulf, cavity, cranny, fissure, rift, crack, breach, break, split, flaw, crevasse, interstice, lacuna
"the space between the timbers was filled with mud and straw"
an area of land which is not occupied by buildings.
"she had a love of open spaces"
synonyms: area, open space, open area, unoccupied area, empty area, expanse, footprint, stretch, sweep, tract
"the green spaces in and around London are under constant threat from developers"
an area rented or sold as business premises.
noun: commercial space; plural noun: commercial spaces
a blank between printed, typed, or written words, characters, numbers, etc.
synonyms: blank, empty space, gap
"make sure students have written their name in the appropriate space"
Music
each of the four gaps between the five lines of a staff.
2.
the dimensions of height, depth, and width within which all things exist and move.
"the work gives the sense of a journey in space and time"
the physical universe beyond the earth's atmosphere.
noun: outer space; plural noun: outer spaces
synonyms: outer space, deep space, the universe, the cosmos, the galaxy, the solar system, infinity
"Britain's first woman in space"
the near vacuum extending between the planets and stars, containing small amounts of gas and dust.
Mathematics
a mathematical concept generally regarded as a set of points having some specified structure.
3.
an interval of time (often used to suggest that the time is short considering what has happened or been achieved in it).
"both their cars were stolen in the space of three days"
synonyms: period, span, time, duration, stretch, course, interval, season, term
"after a space of seven years"
4.
the portion of a text or document available or needed to write about a subject.
"there is no space to give further details"
pages in a newspaper, or time between television or radio programs, available for advertising.
capacity for storage of data in a computer or other digital device.
"additional disk space is required for the database operation"
5.
the freedom and scope to live, think, and develop in a way that suits one.
"a teenager needing her own space"
6.
Telecommunications
one of two possible states of a signal in certain systems.

verb
verb: space; 3rd person present: spaces; past tense: spaced; past participle: spaced; gerund or present participle: spacing

1.
position (two or more items) at a distance from one another.
"the houses are spaced out"
synonyms: place at intervals, separate, place, position, arrange, line up, range, order, array, dispose, lay out, deploy, locate, settle, situate, set, stand, station
"the chairs should be spaced out round the table"
(in printing or writing) put blanks between (words, letters, or lines).
2.
informal
be or become distracted, euphoric, or disoriented, especially from taking drugs; cease to be aware of one's surroundings.
"I was so tired that I began to feel totally spaced out"

Phrases
watch this space — further developments are expected and more information will be given later.
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noun: time; plural noun: times

1.
the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.
"travel through space and time"
the progress of time as affecting people and things.
"things were getting better as time passed"
time or an amount of time as reckoned by a conventional standard.
"it's eight o'clock Eastern Standard Time"
the personification of time, typically as an old man with a scythe and hourglass.
noun: Time; noun: Father Time
2.
a point of time as measured in hours and minutes past midnight or noon.
"the time is 9:30"
synonyms: hour; datedo'clock
"what time is it?"
a moment or definite portion of time allotted, used, or suitable for a purpose.
"the scheduled departure time"
the favorable or appropriate time to do something; the right moment.
"it was time to go"
synonyms: moment, point, point in time, occasion, hour, minute, second, instant, juncture, stage, phase
"late at night was the best time to leave"
an indefinite period.
noun: a time
"traveling always distorts one's feelings for a time"
synonyms: while, spell, stretch, stint, span, season, interval, period, period of time, length of time, duration, run, space, phase, stage, term; informalpatch
"he worked there for a time"
a more or less definite portion of time in history or characterized by particular events or circumstances.
"Victorian times"
synonyms: era, age, epoch, period, eon, years, days; More
generation, date
"in the time of the dinosaurs"
the conditions of life during a particular period.
"times have changed"
used in names of newspapers.
noun: Times; plural noun: the Times
"The New York Times"
one's lifetime.
noun: one's time; plural noun: one's times
"I've known a lot of women in my time"
synonyms: lifetime, life, life span, allotted span, days, time on earth, existence, threescore years and ten; More
this mortal coil;
informalborn days
"I've known a lot of women in my time"
the successful, fortunate, or influential part of a person's life or career.
noun: one's time; plural noun: one's times
"in my time that was unheard of"
synonyms: heyday, day, hour, prime, best days/years, youth, vigor, springtime, salad days, maturity
"he had been a professional actor in his time"
the appropriate or expected time for something, in particular childbirth or death.
noun: one's time; plural noun: one's times
"he seemed old before his time"
an apprenticeship.
"all of our foremen served their time on the loading dock"
dated
a period of menstruation or pregnancy.
the normal rate of pay for time spent working.
"if called out on weekends, they are paid time and a half"
the length of time taken to run a race or complete an event or journey.
"his time for the mile was 3:49.31"
the end of the game.
"he scored five minutes from time"
(in sports) a moment at which play is stopped temporarily within a game, or the act of calling for this.
"the umpire called time"
3.
time as allotted, available, or used.
"we need more time"
informal
a prison sentence.
"he was doing time for fraud"
4.
an instance of something happening or being done; an occasion.
"this is the first time I have gotten into debt"
an event, occasion, or period experienced in a particular way.
"she was having a rough time of it"
synonyms: situation, state of affairs, experience, life, way of life; More
conditions, circumstances, affairs, surroundings, environment, context, background, ambience, atmosphere
"he would have a hard time in prison"
5.
(following a number) expressing multiplication.
"five goes into fifteen three times"
6.
the rhythmic pattern of a piece of music, as expressed by a time signature.
"tunes in waltz time"
synonyms: rhythm, tempo, beat, pulse, flow; More
meter, measure, cadence, pattern;
accent, stress
"tunes in waltz time"
the tempo at which a piece of music is played or marked to be played.

verb
verb: time; 3rd person present: times; past tense: timed; past participle: timed; gerund or present participle: timing

1.
plan, schedule, or arrange when (something) should happen or be done.
"the first track race is timed for 11:15"
synonyms: schedule, set, set up, arrange, organize, fix, fix up, fix a time for, book, line up, slot in, prearrange, timetable, bill, program, plan; slate
"his meeting had been timed for three o'clock"
perform (an action) at a particular moment.
"Williams timed his pass perfectly from about thirty yards"
synonyms: regulate, adjust, calculate, set, synchronize
"I had timed my arrival just about perfectly"
2.
measure the time taken by (a process or activity, or a person doing it).
"we were timed and given certificates according to our speed"
synonyms: measure, put a stopwatch on, meter, count; informalclock

Which definition do you prefer?

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Ah...so it is both, simultaneously...depending no how you feel?

A single thing cannot be both finite and infinite. That would be a logical contradiction. A single thing can be EITHER finite OR infinite.

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Does being human have something to do with space/time or not?

Humans are physical objects which means that a thing must exist in time and space in order to be considered a human. However, no specific position in time and space is required. A physical object can be anywhere in space and time and it can still be considered a human.
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Ah...so it is both, simultaneously...depending no how you feel?

A single thing cannot be both finite and infinite. That would be a logical contradiction. A single thing can be EITHER finite OR infinite.
I got it brilliance.
A thing is both and neither.

What is "thing"?

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Humans are physical objects which means that a thing must exist in time and space in order to be considered a human. However, no specific position in time and space is required. A physical object can be anywhere in space and time and it can still be considered a human.
So define space and time.

What constitutes a human?

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I got it brilliance.
A thing is both and neither.

Nope, you didn't.
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Yes...it is both and neither.
NEITHER.
What determines it's infinitude and finiteness?
You saying so?
Whatever suits you, at the moment?

Define space/time.

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You're hopeless.
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What is a thing, which can be both and neither finite and infinite, depending no whatever you feel like at the moment?

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Is "one" both infinite and finite?
Is it a "thing"?

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What is a "physical object"?
What is physical as opposed to non-physical?
Is time and space physical?
What is space/time?

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