Lessons in Conventional Language

I've defined "meaning" you idiot, as objective...not based on subjectivity.
Something is full of meaning, to the degree that it refers to something outside minds and not dependent no them for its existence - the relationship of noumenon with external phenomena.

A shared definition and belief in Unicorns is only meaningful among those who share in the delusion.

And I'm telling you how I define the words....by reconnecting them with reality....and not simply adhering to book definitions.
I give words tangible meaning.

Like "love"...or "morality".
I cleanse language from the filth it has accumulated over the centuries, by retuning it to its original use.

The accumulated 'baggage" (I misused that word as well),. is what is producing the current identity crisis.

You defined the concept of a meaningful word in a way that noone ever did.

The concept of unicorn isn't meaningless merely because unicorns do not exist.

Yes, I agree that unicorns do not exist, but just because unicorns do not exist does not mean the word "unicorn" is meaningless.

Satyr wrote:

And I'm telling you how I define the words....by reconnecting them with reality....and not simply adhering to book definitions.
I give words tangible meaning.

Nah, you're giving them your own meaning.

Who the fuck cares, other than brain-dead morons who can only think by deferring to conventions?
Imbecile...I am cleansing language of the garage it has accumulated and is currently weighing down idiots like you.

My method is not arbitrary.
It uses world as a standard.

Like love has been so corrupted and convoluted over centuries of bullshit, that to return it to its reference to an activity, a self-serving survival behaviour, is, for imbeciles like you, too difficult to comprehend.

Morality can also be cleansed of all the crap it has been burdened with, over centuries of Abrahamic filth.

The pollution is so great we are now losing the meaning of words like "human" or "male/female".
Do you understand, idiot?

I am not merely deferring to conventions.
I am also discussing the manner in which language works.

The problem with you is that you do not understand how language works.
Ironic considering that you think you're some kind of expert in semiotics.

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The pollution is so great we are now losing the meaning of words like "human" or "male/female".
Do you understand, idiot?

Oh yes, I do. Also words such as "meaning", "one", "thing", "universe" and "existence".

Language is used as a mediator between noumenon and phenomenon....or it is used as a mediator/connector between noumena and other noumena, existing in books or in other minds.
Words/symbols represent mental abstractions, that often synthesize two or more concepts.

first came the action, moron...not the word.
Man gave an action a symbol, he named it....he gave it a word.

Unicorn has to external reference so it refers to text, or ideas existing in the minds of others.
horse does have an external reference...so it refers to a phenomenon independent form minds.
A dog can perceive a horse, even if it has no name for it...you imbecile. it cannot perceive a unicorn...unless you sculpt or paint one, and even then it will know it isn't real. A dog has more sense than you do.

You are an autistic narcissist who does not understand abstract / high-level concepts and who thus wants to reduce them to concrete / low-level ones.

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Unicorn has to external reference so it refers to text, or ideas existing in the minds of others.
horse does have an external reference...so it refers to a phenomenon independent form minds.
A dog can perceive a horse, even if it has no name for it...you imbecile. it cannot perceive a unicorn...unless you sculpt or paint one, and even then it will know it isn't real. A dog has more sense than you do.

I understand very well that unicorns do not exist. You don't have to tell me that.
I am simply disagreeing with the manner in which you use words.

The word "unicorn" is not meaningless merely because there are no unicorns out there in the world.
That's not what it means for a word to be meaningless.

But somehow you can't grasp this ):

High is for you the safety net....noetic nonsense you need to feel safe.
Meaningful is defined by me.
You don't like it.
I know your conventional understanding, imbecile....I know it very well.

You do not know the implications. Because you are a simpleton.

I know you're scared of high-level concepts. Very autistic.
Curt Doolittle is also scared of high-level concepts. And he's got an official diagnosis.

A shared meaning is not meaningful in relation to world, idiot.
Those who believe in leprechauns hold the word as being meaningful....and I knowing their lingo and what they are referring to, also understand it....but in the world it is meaningless.

Being able to understand the meaning given to a word does not make it meaningful in relation to reality.

What "high level concept" moron?
Give me one.

I know your conventional understanding of words. I know what you think when you speak them.
This is why the world is so fucked up.

You need to learn the meaning of words before you start talking to people.

If you don't, the consequences are:

1) you will be misunderstood by others (or noone would be able to understand you and thus have a conversation with you)

2) you will misunderstand others

The number 2) is probably the bigger crime.

That's the consequences you will face by using words the way you use them.

As for me, I'm not going to start to think that unicorns are real merely because I think the word "unicorn" is meaningful.

Satyr wrote:

What "high level concept" moron?
Give me one.

I give you . . . one.

Shit...that's frightening.
Le me see. one bottle, plus one bottle, makes two bottles.

One moron, plus two morons makes....ummmm......four...no.....wait, I'll get it.
Your conventional ideas as so high and complex....I simply cannot comprehend them.

I speak common fluently.
I've been doing it for decades.
But thanks for your concern...complete, whole, perfect ONE.

You can do the basic math, that's great. But can you understand that the word "one" implies no finitude?

That's frighteningly complex....only one perfect whole one, like you would understand it fully....you and billions of mediocre minds...you and coco the ape.
Whatever you say it implies, dude....I'm here to support you.

I take it that you can't.

What does infinity imply?
visualize it.

Can you visualize infinity, or can't you?

So the concept of "infinity" is meaningless merely because you can't visualize it?

I said...how do you visualize infinity?
Describe it to me. you are sophisticated...you know one means infinity.

Wait...did you admit that you "can't visualize it"?

How do you visualize infinity?
This is how: ∞.

That's the symbol of infinity.
You see, it has got some nice curves.

What's your point?

Do you visualize it as one existence unbound?
A sack with the ends cut off?
A whole that keeps moving outward?

So the symbol is how you visualize infinity.
One symbol, depicting a looping.

No wonder.

An infinite number of items cannot be reduced to a finite number of items.
That's what you're trying to do.

Most importantly, that does not mean the concept of infinity is meaningless.
It is not.

That would be an example of you trying to reduce a high-level concept (the concept of infinite) to a low-level concept (the concept of finite.)