When you're debating someone, and they go all absurd on you and start grasping for cliche talking points and acting like a congressman who can't answer a question, or when someone just says something so incorrect that it stuns you, post that comment here.
Like the one in my sig about females and orgasms.
You see things like this all the time. So instead of engaging a person who is clearly out in space. Just post their comment here and tell me why you think it's so ridiculous.
No debates, no conversations, just single posts where you take a comment like the one about female orgasms in my signature, and you post it here. You can just lol at it. You can make a brief reply and then move on. It might lead to some threads being spun off that are better than what we've been getting lately. It might also give you a way to speak your peace about something dumb that someone says without getting caught up in a debate with them where they intend to argue in bad faith for an absurd position.
We all know that there are plenty of people here who are "argument first, truth second" when it comes to posting their views.
Let's have some fun with it. In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius. -Bagehot Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat. -an old dude i met once Have you tried meds yet? - Dan~ Women do not have orgasms. Because women do not ejaculate sperm out of their testes. This is common sense. Only males can orgasm. - insighfoul User avatar mr reasonable resident contrarian
Posts: 16850 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: here Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby mr reasonable » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:08 pm
Eric_The_Pipe wrote: mr reasonable wrote: Social justice is a farce? Yes: Yes. It means nothing. It is touted by people who just want their "way," like a 5 year old. In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius. -Bagehot Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat. -an old dude i met once Have you tried meds yet? - Dan~ Women do not have orgasms. Because women do not ejaculate sperm out of their testes. This is common sense. Only males can orgasm. - insighfoul User avatar mr reasonable resident contrarian
Posts: 16850 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: here Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby Dan~ » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:24 pm
I think almost all of iambiguous' moral stuff is crap. It's like saying cannibalism is a conflicting good, because of the fact that human meat might taste good to someone. That is weak shit.
Insightfoul's gender-roll claims were also crap. :character-cookiemonster: ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) User avatar Dan~ ILP Legend
Posts: 8636 Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:14 am Location: May the loving spirit of papa hitler watch over and bless you all. Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby Kolovrat » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:12 pm
#-o People everywhere care about each other. It's just a few mean people that orchestrate most wars.
=D>
He hates me because I'm better than him.
=D>
Everyone eventually agrees with me.
=D>
Between 1996 and 2003 I probably took about 1000 hits of lsd. I've spend more time in an introspective, meditative state than you could possibly fathom.
I'm pretty much good at everything because of my amazing aptitude and discipline.
:-$
Nihilists have values?
:-? Arc, all things end in meaninglessness. All human thought, all maths, all descriptions of species, all things that are allegedly complete. Meaninglessnessssss.
I've gotten a lot off free dinners from hos. .... I think if every human being got together to try and fight nature as a team, we'd all still die. So why make choices that hurt one another knowingly? We don't need intentional shit. There's enough shit to dodge without making it permissible for people to exploit each other for profit.
O:)
It's not a big mystery. There's a whole pack of racist sexist trolls who use bad arguments, and a ton of hot air, and a substantial number or diversions and personal insults to try and get the same..tired...reaction out of people.
#-o
Ty, you're talking about philosophers from 100 years ago. Nowadays, everyone who's in the know just bypasses all the kind of debates we have here and goes with the proper understanding of the old guys, then they just pass papers back and fourth in phl journals.
I don't crave subjugation, and I don't bow to anyone. So OP is false.
Money isn't an abstraction. You can tell because you can hold it in your hand.
#-o
Hey, just because I know all about philosophy and science doesn't mean that I'm going to live according to that knowledge.
=D>
This is a place for discussing things, either philosophical, or discussing regular things in a philosophical way. It's not a place to get a free education by responding to everything you encounter with questions that lead to infinite digress.
:-"
Bill the entire notion that we can make assertions of superiority of one race over another is a result of a whole lot of really poor reasoning. First off, it requires a value judgement....Value judgments are the beginning of the end of any claim to a proper scientific understanding that you may try and paste onto this racist tirade. =D>
I wonder whether the antithesis of value is valuelessness, or if it's another value, or if those two things are the same thing depending on who's using what jargon. This is what I think is silly about doing all this word-picky reading. It's better to understand the context than the vocabulary if you're only gonna get one of em. .... Absolute knowledge is x=x.
So how do we identify objects? By relating them to things...yeah. :-k
What's fucked up is that you can't get a single one of them to engage you in an actual debate. They wanna write a book, put it out, and then run and hide someplace where they don't have to respond to criticism.
It's weird.
At least liberals can be open and honest about what they believe.
=D>.... I think we should bash them, and then once they're bashed and bitching about it, we should tell them that it was their morals and ethics and the bad choices they made that put them there, and that it's no one else's responsibility to help them. If someone does help them, then we should call them moochers.
O:)
When I was young, I used to get up with my friends in the mornings and openly declare that "we need to start 2 more junkies today so we can keep that cash rolling in steady", and we would go out into the city and find people and do just that. Maybe at a party, maybe at a club, maybe near the local college campus, maybe wherever.
:-&
Thank god I said I think, so technically I'm not wrong. If I'd said I knew, then I'd be wrong for sure. You can never be too careful with language.
:-"
I always thought of Nietzsche as something that you're supposed to be done with by sophomore year. I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, but when people hear that, and they tell me that I must not understand him, I just nod my head I don't know what to say.
:-$
Goethe and Nietzsche aren't philosophers,
:-k
Basically, I'm an intellectual because no matter what I do, no one can walk up to me and confuse me with words
=D>
I just read him at the same time that I was reading like ten other guys and I sort the bullshit without looking at which book I'm reading.
#-o
You give up Nietzsche when you no longer care about being cool. I believe that this is the correct answer. N doesn't really say much that an average person wont learn through the course of regular social interaction.
8-[
Appeal to authority is never good. It's the end of education.
:-k danae wrote:Can you define, for us, what a value judgment is?
8-[ Hobbes, I'm not trying to get involved in the debate or anything, but I do question whether those are real philosophers. The first one, I dunno about that guy at all. I'm pretty sure he's not. The second one I just googled, which is a good sign he's not a philosopher already, and then it says on wiki that he's into hegelianism and marxism and psychoanalysis. I mean...what else do I have to say?
:-k
Blurry I'll go ahead and claim to be an intellectual.
=D> So you can attach a numerical value to a thing...sure. But you can't then assert that, "therefore we ought make it this way". A lot of times, it'll seem like a perfectly reasonable assertion, but it wont withstand a thorough analysis, because shit just doesn't work that way. It's really hard to teach. But it can be learned. You're doing well just keep reading.
:-&
I think when he says, "and it's a trip how we clown when we fuck sluts, bust nuts then I cut that's my new thang, and mothafuckers gotta do thangsssss" it's just poetry at it's finest.
Also, "fuck tha mystery do you wanna get with me? then let's bone". Or, "I'd rather die young than die old and broke. That's why I stay drunk and I constantly smoke." Beautiful stuff.
Tupac was like the black American ubermench. Or like the John Lennon of rap. Or something like that.
:mrgreen:
Genetics don't determine anything any more than the tag on my shirt determines what my shirt is made of.
Genetics is one of those fields that purports to be touching on some big Truth. So naturally, I don't buy any of it and I have a tendency to disagree with it just out of habit.
=D> Sil when I was a kid I got dragged through all this. I got a belt buckle out of it. It says mensa. If you want it, I'll mail it to you for free but I have to find it among all the shit in the boxes in my closet. It's pretty heavy duty man like from back in the day when a belt buckle was the shit.
:-?
I think that if he's smart, then among the smart people, he is the dumbest. =D>
Dude I'm white it's not racist if I'm white and they're white.
I want you guys to know that I've never put more time into a post than the time it took to type off the top of my head. Think about that. Think about the sheer amount of rich, robust content I've added to this site without only the slightest bit of effort. It's innate. Sorry losers. You can't learn it. =D> .... I mean think about it man. I'll bet I seem like a complete idiot about 80% of the time when I post. But when I don't wanna sound like an idiot, I can't be fucked with because I totally know the Truth of shit because of my insane analytic capacity. I can also abstract for days.
#-o Being really intelligent is one of the most gratifying things that I imagine a human being can experience. No one can take it away from you, and you'll always benefit from it, and chances are, if someone talks shit or tries to deconstruct you, even if you're wrong, you can probably win the debate.
=D> Yeah, like the way he chicken hawks all over those dumb ass kids and gets em to come over here and recite his line. And the way he thinks that "he who blows the most hot air wins".
Now I'm back in the real world, committing crimes for money, and doing better than anyone I know with a real job. I dunno what to say man. I guess intelligence is being able to get what you want.
They look at the most complex organ, with an infinite number of possible neural states, and they purport to be able to control behavior by throwing a few chemicals at it and telling it things that make it feel secure in it's culture. Creeeeeeepyyyyyy.
I would sacrifice my life in an attempt to prolong my life. I think that's what we're all doing. Kolovrat
Posts: 7 Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:00 am Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby mr reasonable » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:19 pm
Hey sockpuppet. How are you this morning? In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius. -Bagehot Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat. -an old dude i met once Have you tried meds yet? - Dan~ Women do not have orgasms. Because women do not ejaculate sperm out of their testes. This is common sense. Only males can orgasm. - insighfoul User avatar mr reasonable resident contrarian
Posts: 16850 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: here Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby Kolovrat » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:25 pm
For the sake of the children you will never have, unless you use another "whore" to spread that 150 I.Q. genius.
Something they can look back at and know who their father really was.
Sockpuppet? How much of your proper reasoning did it take to come to this conclusion? Was it delivered to you, all neatly packaged? Is that, like troll, or ad hominem, or non-sequitor, a responsive non-response?
Keep up the good work. I don't think anyone can tell what you truly are, especially not you.
I am fine, thanks for asking. Kolovrat
Posts: 7 Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:00 am Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby mr reasonable » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:28 pm
Go fuck yourself loser. Why do you keep switching names coward? In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius. -Bagehot Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat. -an old dude i met once Have you tried meds yet? - Dan~ Women do not have orgasms. Because women do not ejaculate sperm out of their testes. This is common sense. Only males can orgasm. - insighfoul User avatar mr reasonable resident contrarian
Posts: 16850 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: here Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby mr reasonable » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:35 pm
Also, I don't see what's absurd about any of the things above that you've quoted me as saying. So get back on topic you dumb bag of dicks. In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius. -Bagehot Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat. -an old dude i met once Have you tried meds yet? - Dan~ Women do not have orgasms. Because women do not ejaculate sperm out of their testes. This is common sense. Only males can orgasm. - insighfoul User avatar mr reasonable resident contrarian
Posts: 16850 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: here Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby Is_Yde_opN » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:36 pm
Mr. 'reasonable' nice self-deprecating sarcasm, goofy like Louise C.K. Is_Yde_opN
Posts: 2 Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:43 am Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby 3Sum » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:00 am
That moment when you try to mock other people by making a thread for depositing absurd claims and somebody gathers all the stupid and semi-stupid things you've ever said and makes a mockery out of you. Priceless. Just... priceless.
You just got it up the ass, mr reasonable. Ouch. :obscene-sexualbutt: . You don't seem to be enjoying yourself very much. Ever watched Pulp Fiction? You're the black guy getting screwed in the butt. Except that I hardly doubt somebody will come to save your ass, you'll likely be abandoned and fucked for an eternity... 3Sum
Posts: 443 Joined: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:04 pm Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby mr reasonable » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:15 am
You don't know me very well. I'm always having a great time. In the faculty of writing nonsense, stupidity is no match for genius. -Bagehot Life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat. -an old dude i met once Have you tried meds yet? - Dan~ Women do not have orgasms. Because women do not ejaculate sperm out of their testes. This is common sense. Only males can orgasm. - insighfoul User avatar mr reasonable resident contrarian
Posts: 16850 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: here Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby Dan~ » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:23 am
3Sum, and so many others, are uncivilized sexual-insult despensing self righteous egotistical fools.
That's not an argument. That is how I feel. And your claim on owning people in arguments: Arguments are not about owning people. Arguments should be about learning and application of systems of thought. To think you own someone, that is a petty ego oriented thing.
So yeah, you are smarter than almost everyone else, you go around pwning life and people. You are superior. Everyone else is a religious insane nut case with stupid flawed beliefs. :character-cookiemonster: ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) User avatar Dan~ ILP Legend
Posts: 8636 Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:14 am Location: May the loving spirit of papa hitler watch over and bless you all. Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby 3Sum » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:18 pm
So yeah, you are smarter than almost everyone else, you go around pwning life and people. You are superior. Everyone else is a religious insane nut case with stupid flawed beliefs.
You're slowly getting it . Sexual-insult? I'm not the one who put that smiley in here. I'm not complaining though, I love them. So freaking funny. :obscene-moneypiss: :obscene-sexualbutt: :obscene-sexualdoggy: :obscene-sexualvlick: :obscene-sexualspermblue: :obscene-sexualspermmagenta: :obscene-buttsway: :obscene-buttred: :obscene-birdiered: 3Sum
Posts: 443 Joined: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:04 pm Top Re: deposit absurd claims here Postby Only_Humean » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:40 pm
Kolovrat banned; sock-puppet for a permabanned poster.
3Sum, that's quite the anal rape obsession you seem to have. Image
The biology of purpose keeps my nose above the surface. - Brian Eno
Only_Humean...the stringently, selectively, subjectively objective, moderator to the rescue!!!! He only sees things when they hit too close to home, to remain aloof and indifferent. Otherwise, say what you like, in whatever tone, using ad hominem, pulling shit out of your anus (oops my anal obsession taking over there), making absurd declarations...he will not see a thing. he will not bother. His priorities are obvious: protect the herd at any cost...not for altruistic reasons but because amongst them he feels at home, safe in their docile nonthreatening numbers. He'll forgive you anything, if you remind him of his own stupidity and..."humaneness"..buuut, start making him feel bad, feel uncertain about his place, and see how fast he changes his standards...see how fast he becomes stringent, rational, demanding absolute evidence, so as to lend you his tenderly deaf ear.
When your own views are under assault, you find a reason to defend the one who reminds you of yourself.
A test... Skim ILP and try to find instances where the retard, Only_Humean stepped in to correct, to demand evidence for unsubstantiated views, to put people in their place when they went out of line. From those instances who were the participants, and what were the positions being discussed? A pattern will become clear.
God bless humanity. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Rank is important to Humean. To rise up in rank one has to reinforce the already established hierarchy. A hidden hierarchy, but it's there. If you support the power structure then you can slowly rise to the top - when spots open up.
To open a spot, one doesn't attack directly, one bad-mouths someone to the others and then provokes an aggressive action from said person. Making that person into a threatening element for the whole group.
To paraphrase, What does an idiot care about? - About the other idiot who accepts his/her idiocy.
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Nice, short, ambiguous, full of possible interpretations. You, my friend are going to fit in nicely around here....in this public section, that is. Have I introduced you to Mooo and Phoneee?
Know what's funny? Shit-Smear was also a Mensa member.
Like ImbeSIL. He also had the genius to disconnect words from deeds.
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Maybe it is preferable to lower expectations than to inflate them to the heavens. that way you don't look like a moron...like Shit-Smear does, and ImbeSil did.
Maybe instead of saying you are genius it is best to make the other say it.
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One thing I can say about ImeSil, on the positive side...
He, at least, gets irony....unlike this shit-Smear turd. The shit-Smear, despite his "freaky" high intelligence, and being able to impress the retards around him with, as he admits, words, and despite being a member of MENSA, with a belt-buckle, still does not see the connection between the quotes and his stupidity.
He's stuck on the "coward" bit, secretly being relieved that I cannot participate, as I like, in his den of dimwits getaway. Did you notice? A guy who was there daily, despite his full and happy life, suddenly disappeared for a few days. Then he returns licking his wounds...and wanting others to know that despite it all he is still having a good time.
This is my favorite quote:
shit-Stain wrote:
I think that if he's smart, then among the smart people, he is the dumbest.
The irony....the irony.... No, wait....It's...
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Satyr Daemon
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If you have access to the forum notice how the turd, calling himself moderator, leaves all my threads intact...except two. The "Race" thread, which he edits, essentially erasing it....and leaving this:
Only Turdean wrote:
Mod edit: For those wondering where this went, Observer is a sockpuppet for a banned poster. The other "values" thread has been removed, and Observer banned.
And the "Values" thread.
Of all the threads I posted, in the short time I had, he only got rid of those. Interesting.
His justification:
Turd wrote:
You're banned because your mother never taught you how to play with the other children, Satyr, not because what you have to say is original or shocking. Observer's banned now, but I'm sure you'll see this; you can't resist setting another sockpuppet up to try and play with us again. It's almost sweet.
Notice how I never claimed to be original nor shocking, but he thinks that's what I think, or he wants me to think that way. I must think I am saying something new, and not something old....obviously as old as nature itself. I must be vain...making his actions reasonable. He likes to think of himself as reasonable...hey, like the shit-Stain. Coincidentally...
It makes his own actions less pathetic. He feels so modern, so up to date. He CAN play with the kids....and that's all he ever does.
The Almost _Human is very intellectually strict when it comes to what hurts his feelings, or what assaults his enlightened aesthetics.
The shit-Smears, on the other hand, thinks I want to change the world, because I am bitter about not being like him. Why else would you speak the truth, when it is negative, if you are not bitter about it?
The only reason to be honest is if you are hurt. The only reason to be critical is if you benefit from the critique.
The shit-Stain thinks I am crying about the state of the world, not simply describing it in a way most refuse to accept, or to consider. The shit-Stain thinks I hate my life, and my lot in it...and that I do not take full responsibility for every consequence I invited, or did not invite, with my choices and actions.
It's because he really has no clue what Satyr's positions are...no more than he knows what the fuck the overman is...claiming that Tupac...TUPAC is the modern overman!!! The punchline!!!
And, by the way, children is what I always play with. I play at work, at the park, with my son, with some on KT...everywhere children, and I play with them. I come to ILP to play....never, ever taking it, nor any of its participants, seriously. Mommy taught me well. Hard to believe but most people actually like me. Of course few of them actually know what I'm thinking.
Daddy on the other hand, also taught me to have some pride, and to not play only with children. To seek out adults. He was fucked up, I know.
Interesting no? I think so.
Also notice, if you have access and you care, how shit-Stain...a.k.a. shit-Smear...starts a thread to make sure the moderators notice that Satyr is around. He doesn't want to go to the authorities for help, displaying a noticeable unease towards me, so he makes sure the Mods know who I am. His demeanor humble, quieter, a bit apprehensive. The bravado he showed when responding to others, is replaced with the victim's innocence. I'm a coward...up until I'm facing him. Then he's kind of proud...because it takes a lot to face a wigger gangsta.
He can impress the panties off of imbeciles.
Fuckin' amazing.
That place is a goldmine if human nature is your interest. Every variety of mediocrity.
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Satyr, why are you spending so much time throwing poo at this guy - I mean, this particular guy, smearsreasonable on some other forum? It's as if you are rebelling. Is there someone in this forum who you Think needs to understand something about this guy? It actually comes off as you are angry at a kind of authority figure. I do get that there is some significant portion of the population who might hold some of the same values as this guy, so in that sense you could abstract out some of these values, see some kind of more organized authority who would have these ideas and rebel, tilt at that windmill and, yes, it would be at least a slightly interesting appartition.
And it's not interesting, by the way, to get a huffy defensive reaction to this.....i don't need an answer and it would be absurd, and I think you know this, to defend the amount of time and poo throwing you do with this guy. So fuck that, don't answer me, but ask yourself
what the fuck are you doing?
Because it's strange to find. Then again it isn't to me. But it should seem very strange to you if you actually focus on it and notice what you are doing.
Satyr Daemon
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Satyr, why are you spending so much time throwing poo at this guy - I mean, this particular guy, smearsreasonable on some other forum?
Thanks for feeding the narcissistic monster in me.
Two reasons:
1- He greeted me with such open-hearted elegance, way back when, that I had to repay him for his graciousness.
2- He represents, in my eyes, what is the worst consequence of modernity. A boil, I have to bust open, over and over again...so that the smell gets into everybody's nostrils. He's a poster-child for decay.
Kovacs wrote:
It's as if you are rebelling. Is there someone in this forum who you Think needs to understand something about this guy?
Nobody specific.
I like exposing him...after reading his crap. It's fun. A braggart exposed as empty.
Some stuff i did not even get into. Like how there was a woman poster - I forget her name - kept posting under the influence of alcohol. He immediately zoomed in, sensing a weakness. I understood that this was part of his real-life MO. He finds these needy, addicted, girl, takes advantage of them, and then brags about it, considering it an accomplishment.
And he does so on a philosophy forum!!! Now that...I enjoy cutting to pieces. Call me a romantic.
Kovacs wrote:
It actually comes off as you are angry at a kind of authority figure.
Still trying to dissect me with that blunt instrument, of yours.
I'm angry at the fact that this turd, and those like him, actually vote, affecting my life. He's no authority. He's genetic garbage.
Kovacs wrote:
I do get that there is some significant portion of the population who might hold some of the same values as this guy, so in that sense you could abstract out some of these values, see some kind of more organized authority who would have these ideas and rebel, tilt at that windmill and, yes, it would be at least a slightly worthy appartition.
I don't want to change a thing. I describe an environment and the creatures within it. I explore, and play with the organisms in my jungle.
The fact that he represents a "significant portion of the population" is the only reason I have any interest in him. One calf in a herd of cows and bulls. He, as an individual, is dull. He, as part of a herd, is something I must analyze and understand.
Kovaks wrote:
And it's not interesting, by the way, to get a huffy defensive reaction to this.....i don't need an answer and it would be absurd, and I think you know this, to defend the amount of time and poo throwing you do with this guy. So fuck that, don't answer me, but ask yourself
what the fuck are you doing?
Sport. I actually enjoyed myself today. I only regret spending half the day indoors. It was a beautiful sunny day.
But, I had to poke...and watch. In him I see what is worse about mankind.
And he was only the focus, not the main target. I wanted Only_Humean to show his colors. I was hoping Carleas would join in.
Kovacs wrote:
Because it's strange to find.
Back to the psychology books...or go with the narcissism angle.
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Satyr Daemon
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By the way...is a theory best served by an absence of evidence, some distant detached evidence, or living, interactive evidence?
In ILP I see the entire plenitude of Modernity and feminization...all the way to Hyper-Masculinity, Judeo-Christian victimhood, schizophrenia/narcissism, solipsism, marketing, semantics etc...etc...
I knew shit-Stain had nothing but hot-air...but my hope was Not_Human would join in and expose his selective reasoning and the double-standards characteristic of modern schizoid behavior/thinking. There's only so much bullshit a man can take before he wants to stand up and scream: "This is a lie!!!"
If you find agreement with them, or do not feel this need, then remain silent...compliant. In the name of "civility" all kinds of bullshit remains falsely arrogant. For the sake of not hurting anybody's feelings, we allow crap to reproduce.
I think enough is enough.
Now the real question is...
Why are you so upset about it?!!!!
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Satyr Daemon
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What are we to make of somebody who does not want to change a thing?
maybe describing the world, as it is, is not a complaint at all. Maybe one explores reality, not focusing only on the positives, so as to change one's self in relation to it. Maybe self is the only one anyone has any possibility to gain control over...and most to not achieve that. Maybe exposing a boil is a way of exposing the underlying infection. Maybe one only hopes to help his own, and does not care for any other.
So many possibilities, but you choose the one that flatters you, and/or makes you feel good.
5/
Imbesil wrote:
To poke... and expose. Expose to whom? A real authority? There is clear resentment here that this type is being blamed as holding back a preferable existence for you, yet you do not wish to change this? Are you a punchbag?Some MENSA members confuse passion for anger.
You are certainly not changing even by accident, as your style does nothing more than provoke another assailant, a dissident to your own values, to dig in their heels even harder, cover their ears and believe even more fervently that their position is justified.
You are intentionally ironic? Pushing others who already make your life worse to make it even worse? You know that I understand irony, but do you? As previously set up, are your accusations of ILP not just as easily applicable to KT (do you see this yet)? By itself, it doesn't even matter if ILP is pathetic. this alone does not automatically absolve this place from patheticalness. That I am no longer part of ILP should suffice to show you that I am not merely defending some herd, but simply using a situation as an example to illustrate my point.
To get to the real one must cut away the social personae.
Imbesil wrote:
That said, a seasoned absurdist as I am, I do enjoy the sport in which you partake. I acknowledge my lot, do you?
After all that some flattery? I've known my lot for a long time.
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Satyr Daemon
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Pikachu, I choose you. This one flatters me and I choose it to flatter you too. And why not raise up others as well as yourself?
Am I a christian, like you?
Imbesil wrote:
How are you helping your own other than circle jerking impotent protest?
There's the "protest" shit again. I said I am not protesting, but describing, but your MENSA brain can't let go of the candy cane you've been sucking on for years. Maybe you need a new schtick...
Describing the world in a negative way, to simpletons, who only see the "positive", and watching them react, exposing the underlying anxiety...the hidden self of the "civil" and the "normal"...is a joy to behold, and a real-life example of my judgments.
To love self, MENSA man, is to love everything that made you as you are, and keeps you distinct.
In a world of childish "positivity" and "well-meaning" fairy-tales...what can a man do but speak the truth which is missing from the narrative?
Like "all men are born equal," and "genes do not matter," and "sex is only a physical distinction"...and so on....
ImbeSil wrote:
You appear to have inserted some Mensa reference into a quote of me, which I did not say. Can't you leave out my qualification for one post? Just one, please? I ask politely.
It's the irony of shit-Smears also being a Mensa-man...that I must never forget.
The reality of what credentials really mean in this modern world...words... words. The 'me-me' generation declaring themselves brilliant, intellectuals...happy.
ImbeSil wrote:
I agree. That you are genuine is not the issue. That you accept and present the full extent of who you are is another issue.
If the "issue" is convincing you of the purity of my motives, and not of the value of my reasoning, then permit yourself to consider the probability that my not giving a shit is genuine.
ImbeSil wrote:
And what is that?
Oh, my, dear sir, and we've only just met. *bats eyelashes What an intimate question.
Not to get into details but one aspect of my lot in life is that I am destined to live and die alone...even when amongst others. Another is, that whenever I speak my mind honestly, and with no reservations, amongst those who pretend to value honesty, I get attention (usually the bad kind), whereas when I lie, and I pretend, using the insights I've gained over the years, about humanity, and my gift, given to my by the gods, I am liked.
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No offence taken. I'm over being offended by words, my sweet.
A man, like me, prefers isolation when he gives a gift. I am still shy about showing my private parts.
When one is offered a gift, a token of one's grace is expected, if the gift is not refused. Good manners. When one gives honestly, what is given is not abused, nor taken for granted. Tokens of affection and devotion, exchanged in private, need not be displayed...unless one wishes to use them as bait. For sport.
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If he returned but is being somewhat better, let the guy be. He seems largely harmless. I visited his site a month or so ago, he seemed more lonely than threatening. He has a rather mild mental disorder, and it doesnt preclude someone from having a interest in philosophy. Makes up for certain other deficiencies he might feel he has left over from adolescence that he never learned to move beyond. Everyone has issues. His are more apparent, but as annoying as it is.... so what? Write it off like terets, and pat the boy on the head. ...
oh geeze... satyr just has psychosexual issues, he comes here to feel empowered, and the whole affair is rather pathetic on all ends. Ive always advocated he be allowed to post, by banning him you just feed into his sexual fetish. ....
Likewise, no reason to ban Satyr. He is a joke at best, usually just someone to pity. I see no real reason to chase him off. If he gets at you that bad, examine yourself.
A bit of psyche 101 to entertain. Small penis, mommy issues, attention whoring, victim, sexual dysfunction, frustration...and so on.
Notice not once are the issues addressed. The focus is the messenger....as was Nietzsche - not to compare myself to him in my narcissistic way, but he repeated, modernized ancient organic wisdom and is now the face of all the Judeo-Christian/secular humanists despise about life and themselves.
Ridicule him, and you can avoid the issue he reminded you of - Contra-Nietzsche indeed. A bug biting a a fingertip.
I see satyrs in Power all over the Place. They are the authorities. Check out the average CEO. He's old hat secular authority - though these guys are just atheist versions of religious authorities. I mean seriously, Fixed, this is such a common pattern in positions of authority it's a bit of a joke. Just because he articulates what they live and Breathe hardly makes him some kind of marginalized scapegoat.
I'm the establishment....he the "rebel". He wants to reclaim his status as outsider/victim, defending man from himself.
Power enters our psyche through the cultural, socioeconomic hierarchies.We can only grasp them by using their structures....as with psychology 101. The authority, the insights we were given, become the outline we only color in. It's our contribution, our 2 cents, our artistry.
And of course the poster child of post-modern decadence, the Dionysian caricature...
shit-Smear wrote:
I think you've got it all wrong. There's not a contest here fixed. When someone calls me names and acts like an asshole, I do what I'd expect anyone else to do which is to try and embarrass them or mock them in some way. You get a dude who just wont stop doing that and I wont stop doing it in return.
The position of wronged is occupied. When all fails, moral self-righteousness, comes to the rescue.
He's fighting for the weak; he represents them...even when admitting to be "smarter" than them and that he exploits them regularly.
The Fix is on...
Fixed wrote:
Who is your preferred scumbag? How does he make the world better than himself? Ask yourself these questions.
Better "than himself".
Indeed.
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I have no idea whether you are a Christian. Perhaps raising up others as well as yourself only makes sense to you out of Christian "selflessness", so maybe you are.
It depends on what you think of when you say "others".
ImbeSil wrote:
As for me, I am reckless with flattery, I just let it spill where it may because it is meaningless to me. I owe you nothing and need nothing from you, but I offer anyway out of absurdity and passiveness. If you don't like it then I can only apologise and move on.
What a lie. You make it sound like I came knocking at your door, and then asked you for milk.
The "move on" is your affair, not mine. Flattery makes me uncomfortable - I often smell deceit in it. I prefer the honesty and passion of insult.
I rarely flatter honestly.
Your apologies are not required. A pattern repeats. If someone spits on me once, he is more likely to spit on me again...unless I alter the variables by punching him in the face, after the first, or second, time.
Pretending power always comes across as a faked indifference. I, on the other hand, have no problem showing my weakness, my deference. I am indifferent to the particular, when it is small, and common, but I can't be indifferent to the sum of it...like a stampeding herd of cows...or a swarm of mosquitos.
If I could escape the stench of you all, I would. I cannot...so i am forced to deal with you, as a totality, and individually. The latter comes easier for me. I am liked....in my everyday life. Can you believe it?
If you are now trying to stand apart, from that herd of bovine you are running with, then let me allow time to decide the validity and purity of the act. All value is related to time...space/time.
ImbeSil wrote:
I chose the explanation that you are not complaining at all in my last post, because I know you think that's your tack. I know what you think you mean, I just don't believe you.
Why do you insist on believing that telling me this is something I care about?
Your nature, informs your judgments. For you, speaking honestly means flattering...or not saying the entire truth if it hurts. If you come across someone who hurts your feelings, you must explain it within the paradigm of immediate benefit.
Shallowness is a bovine trait.
ImbeSil wrote:
I understand that you revel in the perversity of incessantly and at length merely "describing" certain specific things in such a negative light, only to deny any wish for them to change. You say it's passion and an assertion of individuality, I say you've only gone half way. This is the whole reason why I asked what we are to make of someone intentionally inconsistent between what they feel, versus what they wish to be done.
Sometimes when we attempt to read someone the inconsistencies are in our own understanding, and not in him. An organism is ordering. It is consistent, if you look further than the superficial or hear more than the words. If it is not, it is dead. The mind/body should be explored...as the mind need not be lucid if the body is automatically taken care of. In fact, stupidity is a virtue, in this day and age...in the west.
All living organisms are consistent with their nature/past. If you cannot see the consistency then you are suffering from a delusion, or confusing the pretence, the words, for the deeds, the real.
I might go into a jungle and describe it, not as a romantic setting, a walk in a fascinating exhibit, but as a hot, slimy, humid, smelly, dangerous place. I can appreciate it on that negative, towards me level, and also see the beauty there.
Is my description one advocating a global climate change to alter its nature? No. Is my description informative, for the proactive, and not those awaiting a travel manual? I hope so. Do I care if the other uses it, or if just any other uses it, or finds value in it? Not really. Am I pleased if someone appreciates it? Indeed. Will I change my descriptions to get more appreciation? Never.
ImbeSil wrote:
Possibilities include that you are just kidding yourself and you either do really want things to change but you are too impotent to cause this, or you actually enjoy how things are and kid yourself that you are against it.
And this either/or is important to you, is it not?
What if my only ambition is to change myself, in it...or to explore the reality of how the world is so as to preserve what I value within it, without wanting to alter it once I've understood it? What if in the jungle one only seeks his own, like Tarzan...to enjoy it fully?
ImbeSil wrote:
Possibilities include that you are just kidding yourself and you either do really want things to change but you are too impotent to cause this, or you actually enjoy how things are and kid yourself that you are against it. Perhaps you are a masochist and enjoy the tension and thrive off the frustration. Perhaps you are an ironicist and merely performing for the sake of effect. All of these require a self-deception, which is what makes it so unacceptable on a form specifically entitled "know thyself".
All you MENSA members are the same. It's not only the empty bragging, accompanied by evidence of the reverse, but you speak as if you are reading from a common manual.
The either/or with the shared self-evident undercurrent, is tasty. Give me more.
ImbeSil wrote:
You are exploring but you certainly aren't changing in relation to reality, you are the same as you always have been.
An environment does not alter at a rate that would force need on an organism to adapt, continuously. Change produces stress....it is the "mother of all action".
First off, you have no clue how I've changed over the years. Maybe this personae is a manifestation of my adaptation to the likes of you and your kind. Maybe my ideas, in relation to phenomena, do not have to change, because the pattern perceived is fundamental, and so longer lasting. Changing your mind simply to change your mind, is how imbeciles justify their continuing errors, and inability to find a deeper truth in the superficiality they engage in daily.
Should we burn Heralcitus because after so many years we must "move on".....and be enlightened open-minded progressives? Shall we change our methods of coping with a world that does not change so fast, by creating new strategies and new lies? That's your job, dear boy.
ImbeSil wrote:
If you think that the self is the only entity over which one can have control then this would confirm the impotence hypothesis.
I suggest you go with that one. Buddhism a dogma of impotence, as well?
And yet, listening to imbeciles using words to change reality, is entertaining enough to warrant a longer life. Maybe we can claim that sex was invented by man, and move past it as old and done with
See, imbecile, I am either a fascist, needing to compensate for my powerlessness by controlling others, or I am impotent before others, and so I choose to work on myself. Either/Or works fine. The comfort level persists. You win/win, I lose/lose. It's perfect. That's why you are a certified genius and I am a joke.
ImbeSil wrote:
Exposing a boil to expose underlying infection equally does nothing except raise awareness, but what good does awareness do by itself - for your self, your own or even for more than that. If you think making "your own" merely aware then you merely condone impotence.
Someone like you can only understand reality within certain contexts.
I would be a wanna-be guru if I offered a path...but when I don't, then I am impotent. Describing the jungle and challenging others to find their own way, is for you unsatisfactory...perhaps you being lost and all.
Awareness is a starting point, you idiot...not the end. I am aware of a lion...I understand it by analyzing its behavior, its activity. Do I want to change it? Does my awareness guarantee that I will avoid its teeth?
Is a slave becoming aware of his change guaranteed freedom? No...but the weakling, like you, will pretend there are no chains, or call them choices, jewelry. He may even try to cope by accusing the one who describes his enslavement of being what he feels he is himself.
Shall I close my eyes to its "negativity" and focus on its "positivity"....calling it a cute pussy-cat?
What a Jew/Christian you are.
Imbesil wrote:
See, none of your attempts to evade the accusations of protest add up. This is why I don't and cannot believe you, and this is why nobody else does. And this is no doubt why you resent them so, to protect your ego. You have admitted that you are a narcissist, but it is not complete honesty to admit that you are a liar.
Oh you poor thing...are you now the representative of "everyone".
Do you think there is nobody else, outside your stampeding herd?
Yes, I also admit to being a liar, a hypocrite, and weak...but only to manimals.
What you should do is find the brave, honest, selfless ones...and regurgitate your shared meal.
Love that you came here to find vengeance for them. It's a messianic trait.
ImbeSil wrote:
If you were truthful to "love self", you would acknowledge the common ground that all humans have as well your differences.
Retard...where have I denied a common ground? I also acknowledge a common ground with apes, horses, worms, and yes, bovines. Common ground for the common mind.
Similarity presupposes difference. It follows from it.
I seek the uncommon. I am an ape...but not any ape....not a chimp, for example....not like you.
The meme, retard....the meme is now the deciding factor.
ImbeSil wrote:
I know you are narcissistic but not even you are so very different.
Ouch...my vanity. How will I sleep?
Imbesil wrote:
The truth no doubt is that you are in fact terrified of the possibility that you might have something in common with these others you "don't care" about. Thus the overcompensation to distinguish yourself and the projection of common ground into this external "herd" entity which whom you are constantly in combat. That you are so hypnotised by their spell and cannot let go of them is only more proof that you are one in the same, though you will not admit it. Presumably you got hurt by them and needed to invert reality to save your pride, to convince yourself that it was you who rejected them.
Do you know how boring you are to me. I've heard this a million times....+1.
You can only think of world as the HUMAN world...and HUMANITY as this uniform abstraction. Similarity focused on, no matter how slight, how superficial. Preserve the communal space to disappear within.
Evolution, retard, works on differences, taking different paths....diverging exponentially in space/time. My shared ancestry with a worm does not mean I have to feed on feces and crawl in the mud, for the rest of my existence, or that I would have to leap over worms, on the sidewalk, after a rainstorm, so as to avoid crushing them, feeling guilty about it.
Pagans gave thanks to their victims. They did not identify with them, above a certain level....and they did not want to be like them.
ImbeSil wrote:
Perhaps now a sarcastic and insulting comment to attempt to dispel my psychologising and maintain your facade?
Nice preemptive defensive move.
ImbeSil wrote:
More of your disingenuousness is revealed through your addiction to jumping to conclusions, filling in the blanks with your own imagination and relying on this hyperbolic, binary interpretation of the world where "if not one then the opposite", and "if some of something then all of something". If one sees the positive it is insufficient to conclude that they only see the positive to maintain some delusion. That I share a mensa qualification with your fellow actor (who you have turned into a scapegoat and nemesis, embodying all that you deny in yourself) does not equate us. And it is you who accuses others of believing that all men are created equally - yet more evidence of the truth leaking through your act, that this enemy of yours is in fact yourself.
Oh, my boy....on the one hand similarities are to be noticed....but on the other they must not, giving way to differences. No nemesis is he. You insult me. He's a very verbose, and honest - compared to you - example of everything I've written about. He is usable as an example.
You are more clever...he has that innocent charm...that boyish thing, going on. He's so dumb that the MENSA thing is multiplied in comedic value.
What do you share? A need to declare what you cannot display....bragging; a desire to be appreciated by as many as possible; your obsession with happiness, your social status etc. Your shared humanity, which for him takes on the hypocritical, as he also admits to exploiting and using, and even creating addicts to line his pockets.
Both of you have posted nothing of any interest...as nothing you say goes off the official narrative. Your MENSA minds are boxed in. Like a castrated stallion. Nice to ride...but useless in a temporal sense.
ImbeSil wrote:
Since you cannot find happiness in your perpetual inner turmoil, you are suspicious of anyone who has - they must be the ones lying to themselves. One must suffer, and suffer correctly - as you do, else they must have a miserable existence. You invert the world twice so that you may pretend to fit in with it, but think you have only inverted things once. You are the own architect of your refusal to fit in and must exaggerate this into a martyrdom wherein you must live and die alone, in order to think yourself noble and a sportsman.
Nothing correct/incorrect about suffering. All do....even when they pretend they don't.
I'm enjoying the psychoanalysis by the way. It paints me as a decrepit, degenerate...which I most certainly am. I want to be that for you.
ImbeSil wrote:
There's this version that makes perfect sense when matched up with the evidence, and there's your cop-out that flatters yourself. Cut away at that persona of yours! Change your schtick.
Thanks for the advice. Will you teach me to be more like you...more healthy?
Tell me more about how smart you are, theoretically.
Stick to your analysis. It makes perfect sense.
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Satyr Daemon
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I'll just write all of this under "uncontrollable urge to crush".
I expect that you will be changing your mind, by next week.
For no apparent reason.... Just because.
Wait...I'll give you a good reason to change your mind...
Your current opinions are a psychosomatic compensation based on your inability to cope with reality.
Look around you, and see the healthy, well-adjusted, honest, ones, and be inspired to be like them. If not...you may require medication...or an intervention.
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My urge to crush is controllable...otherwise I would be called "insane"....or a "sociopath". Now, I am simply a loser, and an impotent old man, with obvious sexual, and psychological issues. Worse thing about me: I'm a narcissist, because I do not care about the idea humanity, a fascist, with a power fetish, and a liar....because my honesty is hiding the truth about me.
How would I have a son, if I couldn't toy with imbeciles?
My weakness? Patience...pity...
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Perhaps the only talent Satyr has is to stupefy the stupid.
I'm reminded of Eleanor Roosevelt's words:
Quote :
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Satyr is my alter-ego - allowing myself to be pulled down to the small, so as to bring it to light. It's an ambition. It might explain why I used the mythological caricature of a satyr.
None of my ideas, when I used to call myself Wanderer, or later when I adopted the Satyr persona, were ever addressed in an honest, interesting way, by the common ones. But I, as a character, was explored, dissected, described...analyzed. My penis, my sexual needs, my social conditions...were all imagined...but rarely the ideas. They always focused on the one presenting the ideas. There are the few rare exceptions, of course.
I adapted...and found merit in this primitive practice. I enjoyed it...I must be honest. I still do. They ban me because my joy makes me abandon myself to the sensation of blood-lust.
It was easy....because the simple, the animalistic, is already a part of me. I just had to let it loose, with cloven hoof.
The confusion is easy to understand. I engage the human AS an idea(l)...the small engage it as people.
How could I not? Humanity is now THE world.
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Satyr Daemon
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Having in certain moments of weakness engaged the frustrating endeavor of addressing you in ideas, I must say that although I acknowledge the merit in them, I would rather talk about the weather
Mediocrity it is.
Engaging, by the way, is not saying: "No it isn't" "Just because" "You are wrong"
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