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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:00 pm

All forms of totalitarianism of absolutism, unites the free-spirits, the noble artists.
Either as a positive method to control the simple masses, or as a negative force to rally against.
Abrahamism, Marxism, and all forms of Nihilism, can either be positives or negatives, depending on the motive and the circumstances.
In all cases the noble spirit stands outside their paradigm.
He thinks in degrees; probabilities govern his judgments. His values are determined by levels of costs/benefits, and details constitute the artistry of his reasoning.
His confidence is confused as being certainty, by these degenerates, because his convictions are not based on noetic constructs of absolutes, but on degrees of probability, separating the lower from the higher....the superior from the inferior.

How else would the Greeks unite to fight against Asian hoards?
Well, there's an old barbarian enemy, wearing new uniforms, sweeping across Europe....will this Asian virus force a unity, or will it divide and conquer, laying waste on everything?
How much will be lost before we stop bickering about nuances and details, and realize these's an absolutist foe at the gates who cares not for subtlety, and refined points of reasoning.
There's a hoard bringing a one God, again, or that claims to be this one absolute God incarnate.
An enemy that pretends to be like us, one of us; that is getting under our skin, into our heads, corrupting our spirit, our reasoning, our judging.
Will we let it our own gods fall?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:26 am



Controlling the instinct of self-preservation, placing survival above all else, including the interests of the group, I propose an old, yet successful systems precursor to Democratic egalitarianism, called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I agree it needs updating to adapt to current socioeconomic circumstances, but the basic framework is already tried and tested and ready.
I may dedicate more time to fleshing it out, as it has so many branches, and if it is to be updated to the level of the complexity of modern socioeconomic systems, then it requires pages and pages of detailed work.
Having no time and no specialized knowledge on the level required for some of the detailed work, I can only offer a framing within which this work can begin.  
Timocracy selects on the basis of tangible contribution necessitating a kind of focus, interest, self-discipline, and humble relationship with nature...the gods, that only a few truly possess.
It is a relationship that can only bear fruit when it is honest, because nature does not give a shit about what you think of yourself or what your intentions, morals or ideals are.
An honest relationship with nature is tangible in the product, and its quality and quantity.  
It's not an intangible idea, a service, one can fabricate, creating a need by manufacturing it.

Timocracy also puts a cap on how much wealth one can have within the system.
This is its socialist fascistic regulation.
It offers the privilege of political power to those who prove themselves in relation to world, and then limits it to not corrupt the system.

Capitalism is destructive because it unleashes genetic drives, normalizes them, and then intervenes to protect the ones who dominate from the organized repercussions of this dominance, allowing it to exceeds natural regulations to greed, inheritance passed on and protected by the collective, and it also protects the individual form natural regulatory processes, hyper-inflating exploitation and manipulation to the point of imbalance.
The state was supposed to regulate behaviour, but when deregulation permits collusion between regulator and private citizen then it ceases to apply.
What remains is nature's corrective blow-back, imploding the entire system when it fails to discipline itself to natural order.
Capitalism is the opposite pole to Communism.
It pretends to be in-tune with natural order, to stand against the naive, idealism of Marxism, but it also contradicts the natural hierarchies it then uses to justify itself.
How it is practiced in modernity is a mix of Marxist, crypto-Abrahamism, and free-market Capitalism, creating a hybrid adopting the worse components of both sides so as to merge them along their common ground. This adoption of the idea(l) promoting the dream of endless 'progress', measured by constantly growing markets, expanding wealth that then ‘trickles-down’ from an bottomless pool, is evidence of this detachment from natural order. The detachment of money, referring to resources, from the Gold standard, is the symptom.
Imaginary wealth, based on noetic resources, justified internally, esoterically, is the typical methodology.


Of course Peter Joseph is a Marxist. With a name containing both 'Peter' and 'Joseph', what else could he have been?
Maybe a crypto-Trotskyite neo-con. A fair amount of social engineering is required for this idealized world, populated by idealized humans, in an idealized future, to come to be. But they are working on it.
Either/Or...

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:56 pm

The wonderful thing about gradations, rather than absolutes, is that you can gradually improve yourself.
But that requires honesty and as near as perfect assessment of yourself, in relation to world.

How can you gauge your accuracy when all subjective judgments are not equally imperfect?
When all judgments of reality are incomplete and imperfect there's only the consequences, in relation to what you intended, and expected, to go by.
You adjust, apply, and try again....and then again.....gradually becoming more precise.
But instead of blaming others, first, you start with yourself; instead of blaming an indifferent world you blame your own judgments of it.
Then you can proceed to lay blame on those who are conscious, intentional agencies, and not on natural phenomena with no intent and no care about your intentions and welfare.
It demands a level of humility, before the gods, no recovering Abrahamic can manage. He's replaced the absolute Will of God, with the absolute Will of mankind....and goes further, when he becomes a psychotic narcissist, and he begins to believe he is God, doling out judgments, offering graces, creating reality for the less inclined.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:04 pm

Why do you think the Greeks believed in deities that could be cajoled, tricked, seduced, bribed?
To account for the absent absolute and for chaos.
it was a corrective compromise, made by n spirit of courageous honesty....later to be replaced by the arrogant lie, pretending to be humility, of an absolute god, the product of spirits that had lost all trust in their own abilities to become stronger, gradually better, climbing up the natural hierarchy ladder, facing their insecurities head-on.
They discovered the power of words/symbols and their impact on degenerate spirits, cowards and the desperate, by how well they had worked in them.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:39 am

The cosmos is governed by a momentum, we call energy.
It is not a trait of the cosmos it IS the cosmos.
Existence = dynamic (inter)activity.
The ancient Greeks envisioned a cauldron struck by Eros, creating the vibrations, within the cauldron, Chaos (abyss), manifesting as the multiplicity of phenomena through which we experience existence. We can place Ananke as the motive for this act. Oftentimes Ananke is disregarded and replaced by Eros which is a mistake, in my view.
Need sparks pathos, and pathos produces needs. The two concepts merge in the absence of an absolute point of beginning - they synthesize in ambiguity. The momentum, the energy has no start and no end, but we must conceptualize it by giving it both in our mind. This produces the paradox: idea(l) contradicted by the real.
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Chronos and Ananke give birth to the Primordial ones and then in an act of incest...
Chronos (time), and Rhea, daughter of Gaia (earth) and Uranus (sky, atmosphere, air), give birth to the Olympians.

Ananke = need, compulsion.The striking of the cauldron, producing reverberations....an impulse, a momentum.  
Allusion to Will, because we will what we do not possess or what we wish to maintain, protect from losing, and we feel it as an irrepressible impulse.
Necessity, is its inanimate manifestation.

Eros is sometimes placed among the Olympians, and sometimes among the Primordial ones.
Alluding to attraction/repulsion, instigated by the mother Ananke.
Eros corresponds to (inter)action with its attraction/repulsion forces.
Felt, by living organisms as need (lack, as a byproduct of interactivity), and desire (excess, as a byproduct of lack).
Ananke relates to the inanimate and animated, while Eros, relates only to animated matter, and to living organisms.
Ananke refers to the compulsion/momentum, and Chronos to the momentum rhythm, vibrations, and their experience by a human using himself as the measurement standard.
I can only explain Eros as being placed among the Primordial ones as a product of anthropomorphism, focusing no the force of attraction that makes life possible.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] promotes Eros as the primordial one, as part of his absolutist cosmology, contrasting with Heraclitus. Parmenides' philosophy is closest to our modern Abrahamic absolutes, and our Modern conceptions of universe.
Consequently Modernity has adopted Eros as a fundamental god, a one-god, renaming him God of love, or declaring God and Love synonyms.  
Essentially Eros is now the Abrahamic God, contradicting himself with his tough, vindictive passion.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] suffices to metaphorically represent the impulse of momentum manifesting as both attraction and repulsion, love and hate if we place it within living contexts.
How do we experience, as conscious living becoming, this momentum, this ananke?
As need, as insatiable hunger, curiosity, lack, producing excess requiring expenditure, we call desire.

Ananke presides over the faiths.

If we place her within Heidegger's metaphysics she is necessitated by the fact that man, life, is thrown into existence, or awakens to the momentum he cannot stop but is forced - necessity - to adapt, adjust, direct - will - or die, be deconstructed, returning to the original state of unconscious, will-less, interactivity, following paths-of-least-resistance.
This 'throwness' is Dasein...being there, rather than here.
Why 'there'? because of the lag between interactivity, existing, and awareness, consciousness.
'Here' the the convergence of consciousness, noumenon, and interacting phenomena.
One is always making sense of what he has already chosen, because the choice is mostly automated, based on the most primal forms of attraction to what is more like self, or more in harmony with the patterns participating in the organism.
Free-Will is therefore the training, cultivation, of self to choose otherwise, or to choose the path-of-more-resistance, with a objective that transcends the immediate, the immediacy of the interacting presence.  
Will, is therefore a force over one's self, in relation to world. One only has power over self, and only through this can he attain power over other...in the same way one must know self, be honest and have a subtle understanding of self, of past, so as to then begin to understand other.

The 'here' is an absolute point in space/time that can never be attained but only approached - the God ideal.
It is encompassed, encased, as an ambiguous concept, representing the beginning and the end of conceptualizing, so it represents a speed of awareness.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:27 pm

Pattern is a word, referring to a single metaphor, which by no means, proposes a singular cause.

The absence of absolutes, indicates that even the term 'pattern' does not suffice to conceptualize (inter)activity, but must use the natural a pirori dualisms, and resort of a human a encompassing metaphor to describe what can never be absolutely understood.
It claims a superiority, not omniscience, or completion.
Like all art-forms it must allude to what cannot be captured in symbols, and only approach a perfect representation, without attaining it.

The all-encompassing metaphor is not the 'pattern', but 'energy', which includes both order (patterns) and chaos, (randomness), unifies by a shared dynamism...a momentum.
Energy, in the original Greek, means 'at work', pointing to processes, not to a singular process.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:08 am

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Pattern = a repeating, consistent, predictable sequence.
Perceived matter/energy are sequences of possibilities, which are ordered, so they can be called probabilities.
What is vibrating/osculating?
Space.
Space = possibility.
From a two dimensional space, existence 'exploded' and expanded, - meaning its dimensions, its possibilities, began fragmenting.
The sequence is the probability increasing within one or more dimensions.
This is its pattern - a repeating sequence of possible interactions, across dimensions.
The sequence determines the type of energy/matter, and how it is interpreted by a consciousness.
Binary logic and dualism is rooted in this primordial state of two-dimensional space/time....the easterners representing it as Yin/Yang.
Abrahamism refers to it as God, which is a singularity that is imperfect.....contains its opposite, contradicting its own 'presumed perfection'.
In philosophy it has been called tension, pathos....the ancient Greeks called it Ananke = need/necessity.

The vibration/oscillation of possibilities is momentum = energy - in-work, in the midst of creating, constructing - process.
Life emerges within this, and experiences it as need/suffering....as agon.
The metaphor of 'throwness' has been used to express this awakening.
One does not choose when and where he is thrown into existence, if he awakens to his condition, but he can only direct the momentum that he is - aggregate energies....patterns, relating, interacting, with other patterned and non-patterned energies.
This directing of one's momentum is called Will.
Energy = vibration/oscillation...sequence with a repeating consistency (order) or without one (chaos).

Will implies awareness, and judgment - juxtaposition of circumstances and a choice made.
Attraction/Repulsion describes (inter)activity - degree of harmony/disharmony, agreement/disagreement, between sequences.
All interactions produce friction.
More harmony, less friction....less resistance.
Life-less contingencies of patterns follow the path-of-least-resistance...less friction.
Living contingencies can choose to follow paths-of-more-resistance, using self to direct their congruity towards what is most like it.
The process is subconscious, in lower life forms. They too follow paths-of-least-resistance, differing only in that their direction is informed, directed, by precedent, stored in DNA - memory.
Memory acts like a multiplier.



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:24 am

Sequence requires two dimensions, whereas a pattern, to become apparent, requires at least three.
A singularity cannot exist because it has no second or third dimension.
Its only 'existence' is as a vague concept that negates the experienced by inverting it noetically.
Its vagueness attempts to deal with this contradiction by obscuring it in innuendos and symbols.

Singularity is another way of saying absolute.
Confusing the noumenon for the phenomenon means that the noumenon is taken literally rather than figuratively. Art is given, through projection, a mystical meaning. The symbol becomes magical, due to its effect on the organism - psychosomatic.
On a massive scale psychosomatic effects are called mass hysteria, or political movements, or spiritual dogmas.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:51 am

Nihilism justifies its desired absolute by projecting it in an obscure 'outside', existence, into non-existence, or in a noetic 'inside' pointing to the noumenon itself as evidence of itself - solipsism, self-referential circularity.
words validating other words, implying a vague concept that has no reference outside this exchange of ideas using language - dialogue is where it exists as theory, ideology, hypothetical.

We notice among pseudo-intellectuals this constant positioning of self within the pantheon of philosophical schools and positions. Icons of philosophy become orienting abstractions alluding to a reality they constantly circumvent, or completely ignore. They can only engage world via these icons/idols. Knowing the schools and the philosophical positions substitutes for personal talent and work.
Like art critics who imply their own artistry, their own 'genius', through their knowledge of schools of art, and artists, with their phases and periods, with names and dates.They insinuate understanding through knowledge.
They can deconstruct a piece of art, uncover its meaning, but they cannot create one. Creation requires a personal relationship not with others, with icons./idols, but with world.
In philosophy the icon/idol is the artist. Through the mentioning of his name, claiming a shared talent/spirit by imitating the style, adopting the semiology, implying that he understands more than he knows, or that he also has a talent he cannot exhibit, but only copy, or a creativity he cannot display but only imitate, associating self with the icon/idol.
Dialogue is philosophy, for academics and pseudo-intellectuals.
Exchanging positions on icons/idols is like establishing a relationship with existence...through a proxy.
Self, in relation to other selves...inter-subjectivity.
The proxy is the lens they stand behind.
In the exchange, using semiotcs, noumenon often circumvent phenomena, leaving them aside, forgotten.
In time they cease to matter.
What would have been considered absurd nonsense is now introduced into the dynamic of verbal dialogue as innocent theory, as rational, that cannot be excluded because this would be prejudice, but can only be discredited continuously, each time returning using a new metaphor, represented by a new symbol/word, hiding behind the same icons/idols.
Reference and deference replaces augment.

Nihilism contradicts the experienced multiplicity with a theoretical uniform 'whole'.
It projects self in the 'beyond (outside) or in the 'occult', (inside), and from there is views existence from a position of exclusion...as a whole, a one, a singularity.
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In lieu of the apparent, of evidence, it uses innuendos, relying on the neediness (desperation, anxiety) of the audience to find in the obscurity his own 'internal/esoteric' validation.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:32 pm

Every human born is raised within a cognitive bubble, directing him/her towards a prescribed destination.
A memetic shell.
No other species can claim as much, because other species cannot intervene upon the environment to the degree humans can.
I've defined the concept 'artificial'' as that ambiguous point when a specie's accumulated interventions upon its environment affect it more than the environment it intervened upon.
I know only of one species that can meet this criterion.

Most live out their lives within this cognitive bubble, this noetic cocoon, unable to once exit it and conceive of its corrupting effect upon them.
The method of doing so has been ingrained in our European traditions as the scientific method. A set of methodological principles that eliminate, as much as possible, the prejudices of upbringing, and of intentions other than the pursuit of truth.

From the memetic bubble one exits into the genetic one, with its own prejudices, placing survival, above all other considerations, and then pleasure, sex, etc.
Empiricism and the scientific tradition is meant to extricate the mind from both, so as to attain objectivity: to see world, and one's self within it, as free from prejudices, self-interests, and cultural influences, as is possible.
The absence of absolutes means man is imperfect and such a divine state of detachment is never perfect.  

Dialogue is meant to deal with any corruptive remnants through the fitness test.    
It demands integrity and courage....good faith.
A rare combination.

Through the rules of survival of the fittest, the weaker theory is killed off, allowing the stronger one to survive.
But within artificial environments the environment itself, the third factor, in any dialogue/competition, is itself corrupted by human interests and ideologies.
The rule then is to use environments outside manmade ones, as a standard, then proceeding from a juxtaposition of judgments in relation to world, towards the evaluation of which judgment, which perspective, best corresponds to these environments, unaffected by human interventions, and that best explains and defines phenomena one can experience within them.
More than that, these perspectives must bridge the dissonance between natural and artificial environments, that is the reality independent from all human ideologies and preferences, and the 'reality' created by human ideologies and preferences.

The Modern degenerate and coward, prefers to place all within human conventions, because he either is too afraid, or lacks the integrity to pursue clarity by juxtaposing the two.
For them objectivity, if it is not absolute, cannot even be approached....trembling, as they do, by such a prospect...seeing their delusions stripped away, if they dare to attempt it honestly.
Their only alternative is to claim that all are equally subjective - code for all are equally cowards, imbeciles and dishonest.
Infected by Absolutism they demand absolute evidence for them to abandon their absolute parity...like Christians demand absolute evidence against God, for them to abandon their God.

Having been seduced, exploited, manipulated, over the years by Abrahamic lies, and then Marxist delusions, they must now safeguard what is left of their ego's inflation, by evoking the absolute as a defence, using obscurity to fabricate this dead-god, once again, or they must reduce all to nonsense for their own gullibility and stupidity to not be so shameful.
Unable to bear the truth about themselves, in comparison to others, they become easy prey for liars and hypocrites, who reinvent the old myths, and offer the same ideological dishes on shiny new platters.
Abrahamism and Marxism will never die as long as there is a majority who suffers under circumstances or under the consequences of natural injustices.
There will always be a market for has worked, failed, but will not die. It is sparked in every human spirit awakening to the reality of himself within world.
Who, but a small fraction can endure such a thing, honestly?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:25 pm

Given the aforementioned, let us proceed and consider abortion within this context. We'll do it in an infantile way, because most of these morons reading this are simpletons and need to be talked to as one talks to a child.
So, is there abortion in nature?
Except for the spontaneous rejection of the fetus, brought on by bad nutrition or some other form of trauma, no, there is no abortion, after-the-fact, justified on moral, or other grounds.
There is infanticide...abortion after the fetus is born...but that's not the same thing.
Did some man invent the practice of women getting pregnant?
Was there some decision made to impose the task of carrying a fetus to term, upon females?
If we look at the majority of species, except for some notable exceptions, and primarily mammals, no.....all this evolved naturally...not culturally....not consciously.
Nobody was raised to believe that women ought to carry the fetus and men were except from the burden.
Females become pregnant not because some man decided, or some group imposed it upon them, but due to natural selection.  
Is this unjust?
No....justice is a human concept.
In nature something is so, or it is not so. Something is successful and efficient, or it is not.
Can a female abort the fetus because she was raped, or because she changed her mind, or because she made a mistake?
No!!
There is no moral component in who and how one becomes pregnant.

This is where these imbeciles will intervened and claim that humans are different from other species...a typical Abrahamic arrogance, hiding deep insecurities.  
These morons will then evoke justice...fairness. Is it fair that females become pregnant and males do not?
They are now trying to bring it into modern Marxist grounds,,,, that insists that everyone is not equal but OUGHT to be so....they shall be so, one way or another.  
Women can't be as careless as males, with their sexual activities....but they OUGHT to be, for fairness, for parity, to exist.
So, these morons insist on 'correcting' nature.
They are the ones who want to intervene and change the world.
Their accusations are really a way of deflecting responsibility. They want to impose the 'might is right' thesis, only by 'might' they mean numbers, majority, quantities, because the alternative is authoritarianism.
To cover their cowardly arses they then accuse all who simply mention the facts of life, and how nature works, of being authoritarians, Nazis, demanding that women carry the burden...as if it was they who placed it there.
Then they ignore all collateral effects of their 'moral' interventions...as if there are none. There is no cost in intervening upon natural processes and imposing a human ideological norm...that both men and women ought, OUGHT, to be equally promiscuous and free of the costs.
This is straight out of the Book of MARX....that Abrahamic demi-god of secular humanism....or what pretends to be so.
Abortion, given the current Kavanaugh proceedings, is crucial to imbecile Moderns. It cuts to the heart of their ideological hypocrisy.
Women ought to not suffer the costs of their bad choices, or bad events, but ALL ought to share the burden so that they can remain equal, children, innocent, and free of all personal responsibility. Both men and women OUGHT to suffer the same risks, under the social umbrella, and society OUGHT to intervene to spread the costs and the benefits - MARXISM 101.
Their subjectivity ought to never be exposed as faulty...and whomever disagrees is a fascist, a cruel authoritarian, because males do not have their own issues with natural injustices.
The goal here is equal outcomes....equality by force, by intervention. Man ought to technologically intervene to produce parity, because nature failed to do so....that cruel bitch!!!
But nature has no face, no identity...so who can they find to personify the viciousness, the unfairness of nature?
Well, presently it is European males...Paternalism.

Without this OUGHT how can they return to the delusion of equality and fairness and Utopia?
Whoever manipulates or exploits this natural unfairness, according to these imbeciles, is the one who invented it, for his own gain, and perpetuated it, over time, through culture.
The proper, the good, the ideal, thing to have been done is to 'correct' nature of her vicious cruelty.....like when and how she invented races, and homosexuality...and paedophilia, and necrophilia....
Those who dare to mention how these things evolved, or how intervening upon nature produces undesirable effects, is a supporter to natural totalitarianism.
Unable to change the world, who can they blame thir own inability to adapt to it?
Admitting that they were, and are, and will die, as naive hypocrites, is too much for them to bear.

But how, how do they plead, beg, demand fairness from an indifferent world?
They can't.
Nature doesn't give a shit.
The only option is to coerce, seduce, beg plead with what can intervene on their behalf...now that God is dead...humanity.
They demand fairness, justice be done, and natural selection be 'corrected', based no ideological grounds....moral grounds.
They demand that all pretend that all are truly the same, and equal.
With nobody to blame, and unable to blame themselves, their cowardice and feebleness, they must find another to blame...someone who refuses to, at the very least, pretend that their delusions are rational....because they are fair.....good, just...all OUGHT to be the same, one way or another.
It's only 'fair' that the injustices of nature ought to be equally distributed, so that we can all pretend that we've overcome, and that we are all free from the nastiness of the past.
Let's compromise our integrity, our reasoning, our own senses, to pretend.
Let's stay children, until the end.
It's only fair.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:41 am

When we were children we used to run to our parents when our sense of fairness was insulted, or when we wanted to change fairness to validate our whims.
The parent's judgment was enough for us.
Some of us never grew up.
Some substituted their parents with God, as the arbiter.
We could run to this 'abstract entity', in our heads, to plead and beg, and try to convince of the fairness of our claim.
Now the place of god was been taken over by the state, the institution, represented by judges, arbiters, referees.
These Moderns are still under the impression that if the judge gives them the 'right' to act in any way that satisfies our whims then our sense of fairness is preserved.
If, for example, a woman wants to be a slut, but does not want to face the consequences of her desires, she will petition the courts, using the argument of fair-play, to sanction and fund institutional and technological interventions; a transsexual will petition the courts to be identified as the opposite sex than the one indicated by her body, using fairness and justice, as a argument.
The belief is that if the conscious judge judges in our favour then all's right with the world.
But there's a court that is faceless, indifferent because it is unconscious, and so cannot be swayed,with arguments, emotions, pleading.
No god or human judge can change the fact that it stands above all human courts, and all imagined divine authorities.
No fairness will sway its decrees.
If you intervene upon natural processes, for whatever reasoning, using whatever justification,, there will be negative consequences that no positive immediate rewards can outweigh.
For every human intervention, based on any grounding, including humanism, Abrahamism, Marxism, and so on, there are severe cost that may emerge over time, but are relentless and unavoidable.

Moderns, nihilists, never grow out of this psychological phase.
They insist that there's a conscious judge, or group, that is determining and defining what is fair and what is unfair.
They are unable to break out of this infantile dependence on a prenatal arbiter, who can be reasoned with, pleaded with, accused, tricked and, more importantly, changed after a short period...like one changes governments.
This is a comforting idea(l), allowing them to live in infantile, innocence...and ignorant bliss. Hopeful that the future will always be 'better' because it is inevitable that the judge will die, or be replaced, and along with him what is fair and unfair.

So, if a judge gives them the thumbs-up and provides them with contraceptives, or the right to have abortions, or may even fund them as part of fairness, then all is good with the world.
Why nature evolved to impose upon females the role of becoming pregnant, or how every sexual act risked an unwanted pregnancy, curbing sexual activities, or imposing a price upon them, they cannot comprehend. It is, for them, so unfair, so cruel, so restricting, given their modern sensibilities.
But if a judge provides the means and the justifications, and then forces society to share the risks and the costs, then, for them they've 'corrected' nature for the 'better'...because they can then ignore, or blame, all subsequent collateral effects on something and/or someone else, and demand, on the grounds of humanitarian fairness, that all share the consequences of their careless hedonistic immaturity.
How else can women become equal to men, or races cease to exist, for all intents and purposes, and homosexuals cannot adopt and pretend to be like heterosexual couples, if nature is not ignored and 'corrected'; the judgment of nature usurped by godly, or human courts?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:57 pm

Man ought to strive to approach the idea(l), or the absolute, knowing that he can never attain it. If he understands what the absolute signifies he may not even want to attain it.
In all areas of human interest, the approach signifies an approximation, beginning from the bottom and moving upward = Bottom<>Up.
Bottom represents the phenomenon, the perceptible world, which is interpreted, approximated, represented, by the noumenon.
We name these objective and subjective.
We evaluate a painter's or a sculptor's talent, his eye for detail, by comparing his creation with what is observable - juxtaposing it and the perceived real that it represents.
This is the necessary grounding of all art, including language.
The definition of words ought to begin with such a juxtaposition, and then move upwards, towards language that does not refer to anything observable, but is based on it.
Like when one build a house, by grounding the structure and then building upward.
The stones not connected to the earth, are nevertheless dependent on the support of those that are...and none are arbitrarily placed nor do they hover above the earth, as divine concepts that require no grounding but only belief.
Just as a builder does not misapply his stones, placing ones that belong on the surface, or as part of a foundation, where the wall ought to be built, nor does he swap them, in the middle of his building his structure. He does not remove bricks and place them elsewhere.
Each stone's shape has a specific place within the structure, and is part of a continuum that creates a wall, and the wall is part of a room, and a room is part of a house.  

The ground itself, the earth, directs the builder's talent, to apply stones. The environment is what stone the builder chooses and how he places it.
He grounds the structure upon a pre-existing environment, and attempts to harmonize the structure with this environment.

How is the builder's talent, his choices, validated?
By the structure's ability to remain standing within the environment. The outcome validates the thinkers judgments, or it does not.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Truth is Power, Power IS Truth = Right makes Might.
To approach truth is to approach reality, the world, or the divine, God. One is always approaching, never attaining it. One wills what he lacks or what he fears he may lose – uncertain. One cannot have absolute truth/power so one is always moving towards it, willing it. MANifesto: Education – Philosophy – Philosohy INDEX
But to know truth is not to attain power, as one may not be able to endure it, or take advantage of it; one may not have the qualities required to apply it. So, one simply gains the possibility/probability of power. Schopenhauer's Will to Life placed survival as the end in itself. This is an Abrahamic principle... survival at all and any costs, including integrity, including one's own ideals.
To deceive, to lie, is to deny truth, and the potential for power, whether that be to yourself or to another. Strauss's Noble Lie is a rejection of the possibility/probability of attaining power to another. This can only be the product of disharmony – alienation. One does not deny the possibility of power to one's kindred, but only to those he considers alien to himself and his own kind.
If it becomes a philosophical position one can never be sure that the liar, the one who admits to denying truth to others, is not lying at any given time... no matter what justification he may use. Absence of trust. Placing the justification esoterically makes it malleable to any circumstance and to any outcome, by hiding motive. The liar can always claim to have known the truth, and withheld it: pretense of power. He can then claim absolute knowledge of truth, because he can never be wrong: claim to absolute power.
Only way to uncover the liar is through comparing his noetic projections, in the form of art (semiotics) with the world. If what he says is contradicted by actions, his own, or cosmic interactions, then the disharmony can only be blamed on the noumenon. The cosmos cannot lie, nor do its simplest organisms, nor the body: imitation is not lying. The only thing that can lie is the mind, using symbols... language... art.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:22 pm

Some thoughts on 'truth' defined in the way the Greeks defined it as aletheia....to un-forget.
It is not necessary to know truth to lie about it. One can simply not care for finding it, for uncovering it, and promoting his won 'truth', to be a liar.
Also, a lair is not someone who refuses to reveal it to another, but someone who covers it up, intentionally, so another will not see it.

To not reveal the truth to those you fear will abuse it, is not the same as the Noble Lie, and intentionally concealing it, or disparaging the pursuit of truth, and promoting your own subjective perspective without caring to compare it to 'truth', or reality, or world.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:03 pm

The current [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is a feminine one.
Not manly, direct, obvious, but covert, insidious, employing language to undermine confidence, certainty, to slander, and shame, to attack one's reputation. A psychological war.
It will use the hypothetical, the occult, the esoteric - poetics, innuendos that can easily be denied, and changed, insinuations that can evade responsibility, an attack on the mind/body through symbols, reinterpreting the past, redefining icons, shaking the very foundations of identity, of self.

The attack has been accumulating.

Abrahamism was an attack on European spirituality; Marx and Engels, on European society and social institutions; Frankfurt School on European ideals, culture; Wittgenstein an attack on language itself, the foundation of European philosophy and thinking; Freud, an attack no the European family, and especially the father.

Such a war is meant to destabilize by disconnecting....seeding insecurity, losing confidence in what is probable, losing trust of your own senses.
Unable to attack directly they do so indirectly. Unable to offer an alternative, without exposing who and what they are, they simply corrupt and infect.
With no absolute to seduce, they use its absence to insinuate equality in error; to validate the absurd and that which only feels good.
The binary 1/0 cuts into the very spirit of man's primitive immaturity.
If not absolute certainty then absolute uncertainty; if not absolute freedom, then absolute slavery; if not absolute gnosis, omniscience, then absolute ignorance; if not absolute power, omnipotence, absolute impotence.
This is the dualistic, bi-polar paradigm of nihilism, trapping hearts and minds within noetic constructs.
All of it exploiting the existential anxiety of the common psyche, that fears uncertainty and feels terrified of whatever small part its own judgments play in its own destiny..afraid of the absence of a finality, an end to need/suffering, an escape from the cycle of existence.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:19 am

Musical tropoi, styles, according to Pindar...
Doric: humble
Ionian: severe
Lybian: excitable
Phrygian; for symposiums

Interesting to note the Doric as being humble...because great power, internal strength, expresses itself in humility, before the consequences of projecting such strength.
Perhaps humility is the wrong term....reservation. The strong spirit express itself with reservation, because of the effects of its power. It has knowledge of its powerful effect, no its environment, on others, so it is careful, reserved.

The weakling pretending to be strong expresses itself in hyperbole, exuberance, displays that imitate power, because it has no real understanding of real power, nor of its effects, so it is careless, arrogant.
He has not ever experienced the effects of his power because he has none, but only pretends to have it.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:20 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], a theologian, makes some interesting claims.
She claims Indian folklore speaks of Dionysus coming into the area, long before Alexander.....establishing the genetic lines that developed into the castes. Also explaining the similarities between their spirituality and that of Hellenism.
She also explain how the Nazis corrupted Hellenic symbols.
The swastika, for example, is an ancient Hellenic symbol of the Maenads dancing....trying to liberate themselves from passions. The tracing of the movement their legs and arms make is represented.
Their frenzy is the desperate attempt to liberate themselves from the Dionysian chaos/order (inter)activity....passions, pathos....'will', is what Nietzsche called it.

Eros was a primordial deity....representing the striking of the proverbial cosmic cauldron that produces the reverberations, the passions = energy. Momentum....in this turmoil is where Heidegger conceptualizes man being 'thrown' into, and 'being there' = dasein.
He constructs his 'Being and Time' from there.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:24 pm

The US is an entirely post-modern nation. Exposing its true nature, behind its Roman/Hellenic wardrobes, from how it justifies itself by explaining all opposition to its power as 'envy' of its freedoms - a very feminine way of explaining all opposition - and identifying itself as such, to the way it has built a 'culture' around slave lamentations and over-compensating, hyper-masculine posturing, such as cRAP, and let me not get into the roots of Jazz.
We can only use Kanye as our example to find American Puritanism, and the Judeo-Christian spirit, expressing its psychosis in a Messianic Complex, and offering the basest insight that "only you can free yourself, and empower yourself" as a profound insight, to millions of brain-dead children born and raised on the milk of victimology.
Like telling a Christian that his dogma is deeply arrogant and selfish, and that this selfishness is not a 'sin', but that it's okay to be selfish - it is natural - you cannot help but be selfish.....it causes a psychological explosion, because he's never considered the very obvious.
The obvious, as Orwell stated,
Orwell wrote:
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
....and we are now sinking deeper still where the obvious is denied and rejected...and debated and offered as genius insight, when it is just simple insight.
Imagine telling a Roman, or an ancient-Greek, this shit that passes for 'genius'....he would know he was talking to a retarded child, just realizing what every common Roman and Greek already knew as a fact.

Imagine the impact the narcissist, puritan, Judeo-Christian insights of Kanya can have on Negroes born and raised to use victimhood to explain EVERYTHING, and who have never read a book in their lives.  
Most would hate him and think of him as a monster....some will consider him a genius, when all he's doing is repeating what has been said a billion times before. Among the degenerate such a narcissist would appear godly, or devilish, a Messiah.
Imagine the impact Nietzsche had, telling what was known in ancient times, to post-modern men-children, and had been forgotten.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:29 pm

Life is self-serving and selfish!!
Really?
This is a deep insight, a profound revelation?
To who?
To slaves?
To brain-dead men-children, to women and children?
'Among the blind the one-eyes reigns'...as the old Greek saying goes.
To rule over apes could not satisfy Tarzan, and it cannot satisfy any noble spirit.
To be respected, among equals....homoioi, is the highest honour...if you understand what 'respect' truly is.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Who, but a slave, would have as his/her ambition to be king of them?
Who, other than the base, would find pride in dominating the base, by tricking them, or offering them shiny trinkets, or by telling them the obvious?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:07 pm

There will come a time when telling the retarded masses that men are born males, and females females, and that appearance is not accidental, nor superficial, but that it is actually the appearance of essence, will be so shocking, so extraordinary that they will think fo such a man as a god, or Satan....or a monster....or a genius.

Imagine you could communicate with a chimpanzee and tell it some basic things we humans take for granted, as self-evident.....imagine how it would react, having never heard of such things, having never considered them.
It's mouth would drop, its mind blown.....it would turn away, afraid...as though you were a god, or as if you were trying to hurt it with your insights, with your words. If it calmed down it would be convinced you were some kind of demon, and that these ideas were magic, satanic.....trying to hurt it.
The words would ring like incantations....the effect explained as the product of their sound, or them being scribbled down, magical icons it would be weary of.

You could have just said "There are many species, and each has evolved from a common ancestor"...and the chimpanzee would be amazed to the point of terror.
It finally was given an explanation for why there are so many different animals...not like it and its own kind. Only a god can know such things.
This is where we are headed.
If this post-modernity continues some time in the future the observation that there are two sexes will have this impact on the retarded masses of the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Having escaped their master's wrath, they went into the desert to escape, and there they became lost, meeting the Devil they carried with them, the devil they stole from their master.
They could not farm, nor hunt, so they scavenged and cannibalized one another, using what their old master's had taught them, until forty years had past and they had become adept at scavenging and cannibalizing, and then a teacher came, and led them out of the desert, and taught them how to scavenge and cannibalize others, giving them rules against turning upon one other.
In the desert they had learned a new survival, born of suffering and penury, their spirit crushed, their ego lost, they made one another into an idol, and they chose themselves, and found in each other both ego and lost pride, calling it god, from what they had scavenged from a long lost master that had turned them away. They accepted each other, as god, when all other peoples had rejected them, and each became for the other a saviour, and having lost their past each found in the other a mother, and in the group a long lost father they idealized as all children do their lost fathers, and wives their lost husbands, and they marked themselves as the concubines of the host, and each was wife and mother to the other, and gave themselves to the idea of the lost father, renewing their covenant, their marriage rites, yearly.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:19 pm

the masculine has to prove itself worthy of being propagated and for the female to accept the risks and costs of carrying his sperm to term.
With her choice she allows and denies access to the next generation....her role is temporal, and she the filter.
But her power is instinctual, intuitive, and so subconscious.
She does not understand how or why, or if she does, she remains on the superficial, and has no clue about the underlying motives.
In her mind her choice is about chemistry, parity, emotion....mystical.

To prove himself the male has to display creativity, artistry, innovation, and strength, diligence, persistence.
The degree to which the masculine dominates the feminine, in the male, determines which art he will select to display himself through, and this will determine the degree to which the feminine dominates the masculine in the female he attracts.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:55 pm

Women are natural agencies. They are an intrinsic part of natural selection. For this reason they've been sanctified, and placed on a pedestal, and demonized, and accused of being 'evil', depending on how you relate to reality, and if you've been accepted or denied access to the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:25 pm

Is stupid attractive to women?
It seems so, if you take Negroes selling stupid to gain an entourage. But you have to be stupid with style - arrogant, despite being stupid.
Then you'll gain admirers wanting you emulate your stupid to get the same results, among the stupid, or those so stupid as to think there's a hidden alchemy beneath all that stupid, wanting to tap into it.
But stupid sells only when there is no cost, no price, to being stupid....when the fine line of survival is so broad as to encompass mediocrity within a general outline of being stupid.
Then it becomes a matter of being stupid with style. How you 'wear' your stupidity, how you display and feel proud of it. You must 'own' your stupid. Choose yourself being as stupid as you are.
Love your stupid, feel proud of it
It's all about 'pulling it off'.
There's no cost, so it's all about pretence....and women love arrogance, what they call 'confidence'.
Stupid is sexy when all you are looking for is a horse to ride. Then...the dumber the better.
It's a matter of deciding how 'stupid' you are willing to get to get laid, by an idiot.
I guess it's al about the goal. If the goal is as superficial as pleasure, then that's a whole different level of stupid.
That's a kind of stupid that deserves its stupid, and should not be prevented from being as stupid as it can be - to attain its full potential of idiocy.
We should all help it achieve its goals.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:57 pm

A spirit prone to obsessiveness and addiction will replace on addiction for another, and become obsessed repeatedly.
Same goes for minds prone to idolizing and worship. When they become disillusioned with one idol a new one will take its place, and worshipping one icon will be replaced with the worshipping of another....'self' being one such option to be idolized and worshipped.
Much of celebrity worship, and cult of personality is founded no this innate, inherited, propensity to need something to worship, or idolize, as they call it.

Everything becomes supernatural, unreal, lacking all blemishes.
Everything from individuals, preferable dead or distant, to ideas, to civilizations, are worshipped.
The object of worship can do no wrong...it has no negatives to counterbalance its many positives.The object of worship is unreal, usually worshipped from a distance, or by individuals who overestimate what they lack in themselves.
There are no gradations in the mind of such a creature. All is an absolute either/or....the other is absolutely perfect, or absolutely imperfect.They can't handle degrees, like a child suddenly becoming aware that its parents are not all-powerful or all-perfect.
From one extreme to the other - bipolar binary 'emoting'.
They can't handle hierarchies and probabilities. They need certainties....'truth' is such an absolute for them.
What is their and of their own, is absolutely 'good', and what is not is absolutely 'bad'; their positions are absolutely true, and all others theories are absolutely wrong.
This forces them into some hidden compromises, covered in exaggerated pretences.  They become caricatures of the opposite of what they wish to believe about themselves; they contradict the very image they desperately want to cultivate.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:22 pm

It's difficult to be patient, and endure such levels of depravity, without wanting to lash out, to eradicate disease, to cleanse filth. As men we are born to be proactive.
But this is a feminine war, and it uses language, and innuendoes, and rhetoric, and gossip, and mountains of words that only refer to emotions, feelings, sensations, the esoteric realm of femininity, of the hidden occult, the secret theoretical abyss of chaos.
Dionysus had a following of women in a state of hysterics and frenzy, for a reason.
Apollo's limitations is absent, Reason, logic, order gives flux, the chaotic (inter)action of order/chaos, a discernible ordering, clarifying, substantiation.
The feminine consumes itself, when there is no masculine energy to control and guide and direct it.
It's a matter of time/space.
In the meantime, we must experience the degradation, the depravity, occurring around us, and remain ...still?
Like when zombies sniff for healthy blood....silence and stillness is one method to prevent the hoards of barbarians, the quantities of depravity, to be unleashed against you.
This is the asceticism of Hellenism...not to deny the feminine but to control it, to dominate it in yourself, first and foremost.

A warrior knows where and when to stroke, but, also, when and where to hold back and wait.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:37 pm

Civilization reaches an apex, fostered by the flames of the culture it draws energies from. Rome was Hellas reaching its apex.
But so does dis-ease, depravity, a Dark Age reach a height, or a low, its extreme point before the tides are recalled upward.
This Dark Age has just begun. It has a long way to go downwards, before the cycles reverts upright, upwards.
Things will get far, far worse, than this degeneracy.
Those that nauseate will cheer and declare themselves victors, will proclaim themselves our heirs, and we must endure the noise pollution, we must tolerate the physical and mental garbage.
We must wait, preserving our strength for the right time and space, or to pass it on for those who will be called to respond when it comes.
it took Rome a thousand years, give or take a decade, to ascend and descend.
This anti-Rome, this anti-nature, anti-reality, anti-life, disease, will take just as long, if not longer.
Recuperation is always a longer process because ti ascends, and does not let itself go to be taken by gravity, by the natural processes veering towards absolute chaos.
Order is the revolutionary act...not abandonment to chaos. Change is easy...no effort required....just surrender, abandonment, careless, carefree, joy in the exhilarating descent.
Children love roller-coaster because of their extreme, sudden falls...not their gradual, painstaking ascents.
Climbing a mountain, is no fun...it is hard. one can only appreciate it ans find joy in it, after-the-fact, as he stands upon the height, appreciating the effort it took, the struggles, the suffering that was committed as a sacrifice.

We have the gods on our side.
Representations of nature, of precedent, of the long climb upward, they will not let us 'down'.
We must prepare, endure, wait for them to signal the battles beginning. we, noble few, are their agencies. we fight with and for them.
Until it comes we must watch and wait as the disease reaches its coming lowest point, when it is the weakest.
This battle has just begun, and is part of a ongoing war. Ascending, descending...cycles of cultural decline and ascent.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:50 pm

Without the Brits there would be no Israel. The Russians went along, at Yalta, because they wanted to rid themselves of the elements that caused Stalin.
Without the USA, the Anglo-Saxon Protestant, inheritor of the British Empire, there would be no Israel.
Israel is the memetic symbol the cultural foundation, exposing the nature of what the US truly is: a mask of Rome, alluding to Hellenism, over a spirit of Abrahamic Nihilism.
Jerusalem is the heart of Abrahamism. The US's defence of it is a matter of preserving its soul.

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