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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sun May 06, 2018 8:00 am

reasonvemotion wrote:

You bring up some interesting points and yes looking at stats it reveals that more than 60 percent of all practicing Christians are women, yet it's gate keepers so to speak have been men.  By contrast, Muslim women and Muslim men show similar levels of religiousness on all measures of religious commitment.
Women are followers, and as followers they keep faith, preserve traditions.
Males are representations of God - masculine symbols of the one Male.

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Is this not similar to your experiences of communication with your father?
 My father was a Socialist...and atheist.
He hated the church and priesthood, considering them liars who used superstition to exploit the masses.
He called the church a 'business'.

I am neither.

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Who are these gods and what proof for their existence?
The gods are not a thing.
Pagans believed that their dead were spirits, and they prayed to them. Essentially they evoked their ancestors in themselves.
Genes being stored memories.
Prayer was meditation, triggering latent memories.  

Then gods became anthropomorphic representations of natural phenomena.
Thunder, for example, was a god.
Rivers became gods - mountains, volcanoes, the sun as the giver of energies and so on.
Then more complex phenomena like gravity, or light, or death.
They experienced their gods daily.
Zeus, for instance, was a representation of the electromagnetic force.
He is the 'father' of all because electromagnetism is in all.

The Abrahamic god is the negation of the experienced.
They perceived world and then imagined the opposite - inversion is negation.  
So, multiplicity, became a singularity; death became life; natural became supernatural, short for death; the real became illusion....

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Wed May 09, 2018 11:22 am

Religion is a way of dealing with chaos.
It incorporates randomness within an ordered narrative, by converting it into metaphor.
Text is an ordered representation that integrates chaos in the form of parables, ambiguities and sometimes contradictions, justifying them with the term 'mysterious', or 'mystical', or 'occult, to seduce the ego with its implies participation in a select category/group.

Religion is a way of simplifying the accumulated knowledge/experiences, and their concentration into a few principles of wisdom, and a patterns within the data - understanding.
This passed on to the average mind the shared ideals of the group, in a form that offered a promise and a threat to discipline it to the group's interests.
Narratives were used to make the memorization of these principles easier, in a written tradition, and before the printing press.
They also presented the group's interests in an allegorical form, to circumvent the ego's reaction.

Religion is a way of comforting, and flattering the average and the mediocre.
It also fabricates irrational hope, calling it faith helping weaker spirit to cope with devastating, unforeseen, circumstances.
Religion raises the weak, and implies a lowering of the strong, to create the illusion of parity which is in direct conflict with the experienced world.
A way around this contradiction is to imply an underlying or overlaying more 'real' reality, offering the less creative mind a justification for what it desires.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Thu May 10, 2018 5:54 am

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My father was a Socialist...and atheist.
He hated the church and priest, considering them liars who used superstition to exploit the masses.
He called the church a business.

I am neither.

It really is up to the individual to find the truth themselves and not rely on a priest or a church to guide them, if a person does, they run the risk of being exploited.

If you are neither, but believe in dead spirits, can you be considered a Pagan?
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Thu May 10, 2018 5:58 am

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Who are these gods and what proof for their existence?

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Each Pagan god, refers to some sensual phenomena, do they not?

I must admit ignorance on this, I am still reading about them.

Perhaps you could enlighten me?
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Thu May 10, 2018 6:35 am

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If you are neither, but believe in dead spirits, can you be considered a Pagan?
Did you read what I said about how they worshipped their dead?
I do not believe in spirits the way you understand the word.

Spirit = sum of past - The sum of events (interactions) that participated in an individual's presence.
Soul = individual's past - birth to death.

The idea of soul outliving the body is one alluding to an individual's memory, persisting within the tribe long after his death.
Spirit refers to the personality of a people evolved within a specific environment and shaped by a common history. An allusion to genetics.  

These memories are known, lucid, conscious, and/or unknown, hidden, unconscious.
Therefore Know Thyself is a command to explore your past through your presence.
It's an urging to meditate - to remain honest in your quest, persistent and so on.  
to know self is to consciously link with a forgotten past - a remembering, an un-covering = un-forgetting (aletheia).

This is what I wrote:
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Pagans believed that their dead were spirits, and they prayed to them. Essentially they evoked their ancestors in themselves.
Genes being stored memories.
Prayer was meditation, triggering latent memories
You did not understand the meaning of the words I wrote. Perhaps you are hasty and jump to conclusions.
I'll unpack it for you.
The layman had to, and still have to believe in 'spirits' in the literal sense - superstition.
See my previous [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Wise men knew that worshipping their dead was a way of worshipping, affirming, themselves.
Their ancestors were them. Their dead lived as them, through them.  
What did I say about past and how it is never gone - appearance is the past made present.
Studying your presence is a study of your past. The dead are never gone....they live in memory....having passed themselves onto the next generation in the form of DNA.

When parents die they leave a part of themselves in the child - this is their 'spirit' - sum of memories we call DNA.
So praying to spirits is a form of meditation - triggering, in self, memories.
The parent is alive through the child. His/Her spirit lives in the child, we can, metaphorically, say.
The parent's DNA memories are part of the child.

Pagans did not believe in spirits?
They were the quintessential idolaters. They believed idols of gods embodied the 'spirit' of the deity.
A war was fought to decide if Christians would do the same - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
They did and do worship idols...having adopted the pagan practices and many of their rituals.
Christians believe in miraculous powers in sacred iconography, bones of saints, and so on.
Saints were their version of the pantheon.
Because Christianity is a mix of Hellenism and Judaism....where Hellenism is corrupted by Judaism - transformed into Judaism for Europeans.
Cross-contamination occurred when Judaism came in contact with paganism via the Greeks, later replaced by the Romans.

Why did judaism dominate Paganism?
Because of the masses of mediocrity, that were becoming part of the Empire's urban environment - slaves, poor, conquered peoples that had lost their heritage, their lands, their past, the ill who needed confronting and hope in a miraculous healing etc.
All desperate for relief from their own circumstances.
Judaism offered that superstition of overturning - cultivated after centuries of prosecution and adopted strategies of parasitism - victim psychology was a powerful aphrodisiac for the increasing numbers of lost and desperate 'souls' - having detached from their 'spirit'.
But Judaism itself denied this 'salvation' to other tribes, practicing a form of spiritual elitism. They were the 'chosen', you see.
Jesus became the Jew who offered Judaism to all the tribes - infected by Hellenic cosmopolitanism.
Ergo he's a bridge, a synthesis of Rome-Judea - he being a bastard child of a Jewish mother and Roman father....according to the Torah.

There are other theories about the nature of Jesus the historical figure.
Saul is the one who invented our modern understanding of the character names Christ.  

Jewish hatred for life and nature was passed onto Christianity in the form of death worship and rejection of natural identifiers.
The Jews had stolen/taken this from the ancient Egyptians; modifying it for their own spiritual needs - coping mechanisms.
The Jews, in turn, splintered into three forms: Orthodox, Cultural, Political.  

Pagan gods were the worship of nature, in anthropomorphic form.
As always, the laymen, the mediocre minds believed in their symbolism literally....whereas the wise men knew they were useful metaphors.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Thu May 10, 2018 10:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Thu May 10, 2018 10:27 pm

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What, do you believe, is my understanding of the word?
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Fri May 11, 2018 5:56 am

That it refers to something immortal, eternal, and is neither mind nor body.
That it passes on, after death.

Michael, Jones wrote:
In 1204, Moses Maimonides, champion of Jewish scholasticism, died without establishing a coherent relationship between faith and reason of the sort that Aquinas would bequeath to Christendom. "Maimonides's failure to achieve a socially approved synthesis of science and Halakic Judaism" meant the rise of irrationalism and the occult in Jewish thought. As a result, "the orthodox rabbis" never attempted another synthesis of faith and reason, turning instead "to the soft
theosophy of the Cabala.
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That turning to irrational occultism was most pronounced in southern France, known as Judaea Secunda, the area where Albigensianism took root. More than one Jewish historian traces Albigensianism to Jewish influence. "Some of the Cathari of Leon," we are told, "used to circumcise themselves, so that they might propagate heresy as 'Jews.'" "If the truth were known," says Lewis Browne, "probably it would be found that the learned Jews in Provence were in large part responsible for this free-thinking sect. The doctrines that the Jews had been spreading throughout the land for years could not but have helped to undermine the Church's power." Another modern Jewish writer goes further, considering it "indubitable" that the heretical doctrines of Southern France "were largely the result of friendly intercourse between Christians and Jews.

....Innocent's animus toward the Jews was, as we have seen, not motivated by anti-Semitism but instead by Jewish behavior, specifically, usury, insolence, blasphemy,
and support for heretical sects subverting the social, moral and political order. Innocent III and subsequent popes reevaluated their understanding of who and what the Jews were, gradually replacing the idea of them as blind and carnal with a new understanding of them as revolutionaries threatening the social and political order of Christendom. "The Cathars," one historian has noted, "were hardly as harmless as Graetz portrays them." The people Graetz portrays as "the truly God-fearing and moral Christians" regarded "a pregnant woman as possessed by a devil, and, if she died in childbirth, certain to go to Hell." The Cathars were a secret society; they were, Umberto Eco points out in Foucault's Pendulum, the predecessors of the Freemasons, a group which "would resort to every subterfuge and hypocrisy to conceal their true beliefs." Their refusal to take oaths undermined feudal society as much as their attitude toward sexuality threatened to depopulate it. Perversion was, in their eyes, preferable to marriage. And their fast unto death, the endura, "cost more lives than the Inquisition ever did."'

...Unlike Graetz, who turns the Jews into cynical manipulators of the Albigensians, Cantor claims the Jews succumbed to the Jewish version of the same error, namely, Cabala. "The Jewish community of Provence was the place where the Cabala started." Vehemently rejecting Maimonides' attempts at rationalism, the rabbis of Provence succumbed to a "pastiche of mysticism, demonology, and astrology that came eventually to be called the Cabala." The Zohar, the definitive cabalistic text, would not be written for another Century, "but its origins lie in Provence in the early 13th Century, precisely at the same time as the flourishing of the Catharist heresy."! Citing Gershom Scholem, Cantor claims "Cabala was a late continuation or revival of ancient Jewish Gnosticism." Gnosticism was "hermetic among the Jews" as it was in Freemasonry, the English Protestant appropriation of Cabala, "but blatantly separatist among the Christians .... it surfaced at the same time and in the same place, southern France, among both Christians and Jews. In the case of the Christians it takes the form of Catharism; among the Jews, of Cabalism."!! When Gnosticism first appeared in the ancient world, "the Gnostic community was the greatest internal threat that Christianity faced in the first two centuries of its existence.'~32 It was no less a threat in the 13th Century.

...The discovery of the Talmud changed the status of the Jews. In addition to "displaying no shame for their guilt nor reverence for the honor of the Christian
faith," the Talmud's blasphemies indicated the Jews had equal contempt for "the Law of Moses and the prophets" which the Christians thought they honored.'
Instead of following God's word in the Torah, the Jews "follow some tradition of their elders," giving it priority over the word of God.' The Talmud asserts rabbis are superior to the biblical prophets and that the Jews must obey them even to the absurd point of abrogating Mosaic Law. As a result the Jews prevent their children from studying the Bible, by placing the Talmud at the center of their educational curriculum.

...The Rabbis would have done better to emulate Maimonides, but" drugged ... into comfort with the narcotic of the Cabala, an otherworldly withdrawal into astrology
and demonology,
considered fit only for those who had mastered traditional Talmudic learning" they were no match for those trained by the Dominicans/SO
Many Jews took "the terrible deterioration of the status and security of the Jews" as "a sign of the coming of the Messiah," something one historian calls, "a characteristic figment of the Jewish mind .... In the Jewish context, it is the syndrome of waiting quietly for the holocaust. Thus the Orthodox rabbinate failed to exercise leadership on behalf of the Jews in the 13th Century Ashkenaz as was again the case in 20th Century Poland.'"

...The supernatural reaction to the threat of Jewish subversion was based on charity, which is to say, bringing those in darkness to the light of truth, which is
another way of describing conversion. The point of Martini's Pugio Fidei was the conversion of the Moors and the Jews, especially the latter, because they "constitute
the worst enemy of the Church, and ... converting them outweighs even that of the Christian mission to the Muslims." As we have seen, Judaism, according
to the new Catholic insight, was not a religion; it was a revolutionary ideology. In espousing the Talmud, the Jews deprived themselves of any correct understanding
of the Bible; their allegiance, according to Martini, lies with the Antichrist. As a result, "the redeemer whom they now expect at the end of the Roman Empire is really the Antichrist.''>ll

...Trying to make sense of the wave of conversions that swept Spain in 1390, Cantor describes medieval Judaism succumbing to its own internal contradictions. Its great weakness was "its finite, static quality:"'3 The Jews had rejected reason when they rejected Maimonides; as a result Judaism's "only innovative wing was in hazardous theosophic irrationalism,"" which "could not offer a durable response to persecution and discomfort or a comprehensive social theory .... ·5
But those "sephardic Jewish intellectuals who, after 1390, for whatever initial motive, proceeded to cross over into Christianity, found in Latin Christian culture a much more complex and vibrant culture that they eagerly embraced:,,·6 The sephardic elite who abandoned Maimonides and succumbed to the mumbo-jumbo of the Cabala descended into the Gnostic dualism the Church had defeated when it defeated the Albigensians. The descent into astrology, magic, and demonology would culminate when Cabala brought forth the false Messiah Shabbetai Zevi, 300 years later.
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Fri May 11, 2018 7:20 am

The memetic conflict between 'mother' Judaism and 'daughter' Christianity follows the same processes as do the genetic counterparts.
Sons have to overcome their fathers, and daughters have to overcome their mothers.
The relationship with Islam is that of 'mother' and a young, unruly 'son', who is both tied to his mother, as a representation of the ideal female, and also is driven to antagonize her, as a way of becoming a man, when no father is present.
Judaism is the single mother, who was impregnated by multiple suitors... and bore two well-known offspring.
One born by a Greek, and so we have the symbolism of Jesus as the bastard son of a Jewish whore and a Roman soldier.
Judaism sees itself reflected in Mary's looseness, and admonishes itself for fornicating (intercourse) with pagans.
In the case of the ‘male offspring’ Islam, the father is dead. The son has no father figure and so turns to the mother to fill in for what is missing, in a love/hate relationship. He resents her for his father's absence, as often happens with single mothers. It is common for such ‘boys’ to hyper-inflate their masculinity, because they have no real representation to emulate.
With Christianity the dynamic is slightly different. Daughters admire their daddies, so Christianity wants to belong to Hellenism, but her mother's presence reminds her of her inheritance, and so there's a conflict where daughter wants to assert herself to her mother, and hates herself for being just like her.
There’s also to issue of identity. Hellenism passes on identity from father to child; Judaism passes on identity from mother to child. Christianity is left with a double identity. Jesus is male trying to associate Christianity’s preference for Hellenism – the daughter wants to replace her father, but being female she must give birth to a male son – Jesus is this symbolic rebirth as a ‘male’ representative of the feminine Church. He becomes the missing father-figure to be emulated by all Christian males.
The father becomes the idolized absence, and the mother the mundane present.
To put it in platonic psyche contexts... the mind (theory) of Christianity wants to be closer to her father Hellas, but her body (church) remains Jewish.
This is an interesting dynamic if you consider the fact that Hellenism is nature worshipping, physical, and Judaism is nature hating... one is meme born and attached to genes, and the other is gene attempting to be re-born of a detached from world inverting meme. Zionism is this attempt to convert the noetic meme of Judaism, into the lost tribal gene.
Christianity idolizes in Hellenism what it denies in herself – corporeality, physicality, nature. The myth of Jesus was an attempt to deal with this contradiction. The narrative uses resurrection, after death, as the point of overturning – inverting.
The real Jesus dies and is reborn as pure idea = god, divine... pure detached from phenomena, noetic construct – abstraction. This is considered a 'redemption', not a rejection, of Hellenic physicality, and pagan naturalism.
The past (nature) is reborn cleansed (baptized) as pure idea (spirit).
This refers to the mind/nervous system/body triad.
Body is renamed, reborn, in the nervous system, into pure symbol/word, existing in mind. Body converted into idea(l) = gene converted to pure meme.
The idea can live forever... as long as there are minds to hold it as true – it outlives the body.
Christianity returns to her mother Judaism, through her father Hellenism, which she redeems by baptizing him (cleansing) and renaming him (purification, transmutation).
The father's 'sins' are redeemed, meaning they are forgotten. These 'sins' are his naturalism, his pagan nature worshipping, and his manly physicality. What are washed away are phenomena, the apparent. Hellenism is converted to idealism, ideology, pure noumenon, and remains so to this day, among some circles.
Hellenism becomes theory, for his daughter Christianity, having forgotten its connection to world. Like all the dead, their memory is forgiving, purifying - we recall only the good about the one who has died - a dead father becomes to his children, especially his daughter, an idol.
We see this reflected in how Moderns think of Hellenism and anyone who reconnects them to this lost tradition – they idolize the messenger who recalls the dead father for them; he becomes a representation of him in the present; an icon reminding them of their dead ancestry – past made present, made current, given more modern symbols. This is pronounced in the case of Nietzsche. He becomes the embodiment of an absent idolized Hellenism; a modern reincarnation of what moderns cannot relate to because they've never experienced it – like a dead father is purified because the child never experienced him in reality. He lives in memory and memory can shape the father into any desirable form.
The purification converts him into a child (made innocent) or an emasculated male (feminized), beneath the yolk of the One Male God.
Jews use circumcision to represent this passing from one state to another.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Thu May 17, 2018 12:04 pm

Slow decay of these new Dark Ages will return to the west to a state akin to the Middle Ages.
The differences will be due to technological advancements, and knowledge gained in the interim.

All is patterns and non-patterned energies (inter)acting, therefore history repeats - but slightly modified by the forces of randomness.
The shift will be slight, because we are talking of small differences relative to human lifespans.
We gauge historical time using human lifespans, and judge them to be greater than they are.
Relative to cosmological space/time spans, all of human history - codified, recorded past -  is but a insignificant fraction.
We then judge the effect of chaos to be slim, and appreciate human history as something, relatively stable in its predictability - repeating in near-perfect consistency.
Yet, we can also appreciate how small divergence can produce large effects, in time/space, only counteracted by a living organism's desire to retain order, producing the conflict man experiences as stress - need/suffering.

In short, this coming New Dark Age will be the same as the previous ones, but modified.
The same superstitions will return to the forefront, only changed by socioeconomic and cultural, effects - given new monikers, new symbols, new narratives, incorporating what has been gained in science and philosophy.
Corruption will integrate them into a new degradation.
The same psychologies will emerge from where they slept in times of superfluity and comfort.
The same parasites, vermin....the same diseases will be triggered from latency.  

We can study the rise and fall of Rome to begin predicting what states this Global empire will pass through.
A slow but relentless decline, until fragmentation and dissolution completes the process.
The parts will then be absorbed into emerging new unities, or settle, for a brief period, as independent, but weak, entities.
Technology will reshape plagues -  physical diseases and mental diseases will flourish and spread.
It has already begun, and I've tried to describe some of the many strains - tracing the pathogen back to a naturally emerging byproduct of self-consciousness awakening to its own consciousness.
Consciousness is the experience of Flux, and is experienced as need/suffering - the ordering organism resisting change, or the challenge of constant (inter)activity demanding attention, neccasitating a response.
'Awakening', becoming conscious of this state, is the trauma that becomes nihilism - the meme/gene contradiction, siding with the meme to contradict the experienced, the physical; distress of mind perceiving itself, as mind/body, relative to other.
In the past this condition, still unknown and misunderstood, sought refuge and expression in what came to be known as Abrahamic spirituality.
Previous superstitions, also used to cope, were absorbed and given form, symbols, through these new advanced cults.

We've 'progressed' since then.
Abrahamism has been discredited, and exposed, necessitating a repackaging of the same, this time absorbing the ideologies and insights that brought it down - furbishing and upgrading of the same.
We re currently in the state of reinventing what has worked in the past.  
Marxism was also a repackaging of Abrahamism.
We will witness, in our age, the emergence of a new Christianity, or neo-Marxism - only it will not be called so, and it will go to great efforts to hide its pedigree.
The masses will flock to it, themselves belonging to the same types that fell for the comforting leis of Abrahamism and Marxism...  
Human nature has changes less than human environments and technologies. The same psychological weaknesses are present today, as they were thousands of years ago.; dressed-up and renamed they are only different in expression, not in essence.
The same anxieties, producing the same reactions, leading to the same outcomes.

This historical storm will not be stopped. Only a fool would stand in its way. It has built-up over the years, like storms do over warm oceans.
Large bodies of water, agitating the atmosphere, inundating it with humidity, that begins to spiral, and grow into a hurricane.
Water rises, on hot air-streams, and is cooled by external space, that has no interest in the turmoil of the world it encompasses.  
Heat meets cold space/time, and falls...in tidal waves of tears, blood, and sweat.
Cities are torn asunder, forests uprooted, geography rearranged. The earth is cleansed. What had been built on clouds is dashed to the ground'; what had been built on shifting sand, will crumble; what had lost its foundations will be destroyed....only the deepest roots have a hope of surviving....but not a certainty.  

Then peace returns, for a while...new seedlings burst from the soil, and the process repeats.      
Those who survive will stand in the sunlight....lost, standing on what has been, once more, buried....calling to be rediscovered, revealed, uncovered; added to, in preparation for the next storm.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat May 26, 2018 12:01 am

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I do not believe in spirits the way you understand the word.

reasonvemotion wrote:
What, do you believe, is my understanding of the word?

Satyr wrote:
That it refers to something immortal, eternal, and is neither mind nor body.
That it passes on, after death.

The Biblical meaning of spirit, firstly in the Old Testament, the Hebrew word ruach, translated spirit, simply stands for the life principle, breath, that animates human beings and is identical with the ruach of animals.  The ruach of man leaves the body at death and NEVER in the Old or New Testament, (pneuma, is the equivalent of ruach to breathe) with respect to man, does spirit denote an intelligent entity capable of being able to perceive or feel things apart from a physical body.

“The serpent said to the woman, ‘You will not surely die’ ”
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat May 26, 2018 8:40 pm

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Michael, Jones wrote:
In 1204, Moses Maimonides, champion of Jewish scholasticism, died without establishing a coherent relationship between faith and reason of the sort that Aquinas would bequeath to Christendom. "Maimonides's failure to achieve a socially approved synthesis of science and Halakic Judaism" meant the rise of irrationalism and the occult in Jewish thought. As a result, "the orthodox rabbis" never attempted another synthesis of faith and reason, turning instead "to the soft
theosophy of the Cabala.''
That turning to irrational occultism was most pronounced in southern France, known as Judaea Secunda, the area where Albigensianism took root. More than one Jewish historian traces Albigensianism to Jewish influence. "Some of the Cathari of Leon," we are told, "used to circumcise themselves, so that they might propagate heresy as 'Jews.'" "If the truth were known," says Lewis Browne, "probably it would be found that the learned Jews in Provence were in large part responsible for this free-thinking sect. The doctrines that the Jews had been spreading throughout the land for years could not but have helped to undermine the Church's power." Another modern Jewish writer goes further, considering it "indubitable" that the heretical doctrines of Southern France "were largely the result of friendly intercourse between Christians and Jews.

....Innocent's animus toward the Jews was, as we have seen, not motivated by anti-Semitism but instead by Jewish behavior, specifically, usury, insolence, blasphemy,
and support for heretical sects subverting the social, moral and political order. Innocent III and subsequent popes reevaluated their understanding of who and what the Jews were, gradually replacing the idea of them as blind and carnal with a new understanding of them as revolutionaries threatening the social and political order of Christendom. "The Cathars," one historian has noted, "were hardly as harmless as Graetz portrays them." The people Graetz portrays as "the truly God-fearing and moral Christians" regarded "a pregnant woman as possessed by a devil, and, if she died in childbirth, certain to go to Hell." The Cathars were a secret society; they were, Umberto Eco points out in Foucault's Pendulum, the predecessors of the Freemasons, a group which "would resort to every subterfuge and hypocrisy to conceal their true beliefs." Their refusal to take oaths undermined feudal society as much as their attitude toward sexuality threatened to depopulate it. Perversion was, in their eyes, preferable to marriage. And their fast unto death, the endura, "cost more lives than the Inquisition ever did."'

...Unlike Graetz, who turns the Jews into cynical manipulators of the Albigensians, Cantor claims the Jews succumbed to the Jewish version of the same error, namely, Cabala. "The Jewish community of Provence was the place where the Cabala started." Vehemently rejecting Maimonides' attempts at rationalism, the rabbis of Provence succumbed to a "pastiche of mysticism, demonology, and astrology that came eventually to be called the Cabala." The Zohar, the definitive cabalistic text, would not be written for another Century, "but its origins lie in Provence in the early 13th Century, precisely at the same time as the flourishing of the Catharist heresy."! Citing Gershom Scholem, Cantor claims "Cabala was a late continuation or revival of ancient Jewish Gnosticism." Gnosticism was "hermetic among the Jews" as it was in Freemasonry, the English Protestant appropriation of Cabala, "but blatantly separatist among the Christians .... it surfaced at the same time and in the same place, southern France, among both Christians and Jews. In the case of the Christians it takes the form of Catharism; among the Jews, of Cabalism."!! When Gnosticism first appeared in the ancient world, "the Gnostic community was the greatest internal threat that Christianity faced in the first two centuries of its existence.'~32 It was no less a threat in the 13th Century.

...The discovery of the Talmud changed the status of the Jews. In addition to "displaying no shame for their guilt nor reverence for the honor of the Christian
faith," the Talmud's blasphemies indicated the Jews had equal contempt for "the Law of Moses and the prophets" which the Christians thought they honored.'
Instead of following God's word in the Torah, the Jews "follow some tradition of their elders," giving it priority over the word of God.' The Talmud asserts rabbis are superior to the biblical prophets and that the Jews must obey them even to the absurd point of abrogating Mosaic Law. As a result the Jews prevent their children from studying the Bible, by placing the Talmud at the center of their educational curriculum.

...The Rabbis would have done better to emulate Maimonides, but" drugged ... into comfort with the narcotic of the Cabala, an otherworldly withdrawal into astrology
and demonology, considered fit only for those who had mastered traditional Talmudic learning" they were no match for those trained by the Dominicans/SO
Many Jews took "the terrible deterioration of the status and security of the Jews" as "a sign of the coming of the Messiah," something one historian calls, "a characteristic figment of the Jewish mind .... In the Jewish context, it is the syndrome of waiting quietly for the holocaust. Thus the Orthodox rabbinate failed to exercise leadership on behalf of the Jews in the 13th Century Ashkenaz as was again the case in 20th Century Poland.'"

...The supernatural reaction to the threat of Jewish subversion was based on charity, which is to say, bringing those in darkness to the light of truth, which is
another way of describing conversion. The point of Martini's Pugio Fidei was the conversion of the Moors and the Jews, especially the latter, because they "constitute
the worst enemy of the Church, and ... converting them outweighs even that of the Christian mission to the Muslims." As we have seen, Judaism, according
to the new Catholic insight, was not a religion; it was a revolutionary ideology. In espousing the Talmud, the Jews deprived themselves of any correct understanding
of the Bible; their allegiance, according to Martini, lies with the Antichrist. As a result, "the redeemer whom they now expect at the end of the Roman Empire is really the Antichrist.''>ll

...Trying to make sense of the wave of conversions that swept Spain in 1390, Cantor describes medieval Judaism succumbing to its own internal contradictions. Its great weakness was "its finite, static quality:"'3 The Jews had rejected reason when they rejected Maimonides; as a result Judaism's "only innovative wing was in hazardous theosophic irrationalism,"" which "could not offer a durable response to persecution and discomfort or a comprehensive social theory .... ·5
But those "sephardic Jewish intellectuals who, after 1390, for whatever initial motive, proceeded to cross over into Christianity, found in Latin Christian culture a much more complex and vibrant culture that they eagerly embraced:,,·6 The sephardic elite who abandoned Maimonides and succumbed to the mumbo-jumbo of the Cabala descended into the Gnostic dualism the Church had defeated when it defeated the Albigensians. The descent into astrology, magic, and demonology would culminate when Cabala brought forth the false Messiah Shabbetai Zevi, 300 years later.
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The Jew proves the authenticity of the Bible. It was written by Jews and is a Jewish book. On reflection there are no people in the world that are more persecuted or more protected than Jews. They are the most persecuted, protected and most cursed all in one. They go all the way back to days of Abraham, who is considered to be the starting point of the Jewish nation. There is no other people in the world that have been so scattered and yet remain distinct with their own culture, language, writing, customs religion and now they have another land called Israel again. The ancient Egyptians don't exist anymore, the people in Egypt today are not the ones who built the pyramids. Babylon, gone. The Persians, it's now Iran and Iraq. The ancient Persian language, customs and culture gone. The Greeks, are not a world empire anymore and ancient Rome is pretty much in ruins. But the Jews. The Jews are still a nation. Amazing. When you think about how they are scattered around the world. Between 65 .A.D. and 135 A.D. the Romans killed approximately two million Jews. They were driven all over the Roman Empire, beaten everywhere they went and of course there was the holocaust during World War ll.

So much persecution, yet obviously they are a people being protected because they still seem to thrive?
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat May 26, 2018 9:39 pm

Parasitical survival strategy requires a host.
Inbreeding seems to have produced higher, on average IQ, but also higher mental disorders, like schizophrenia and paranoia.
They made themselves talented in languages, able to manipulate using word-manipulations, and abstractions that mean nothing.
They are known, since ancient times, to have used astrology, magic, and all forms of superstition to exploit the weakest members of a host tribe.

They adopted Zoroastrianism and adapted it to their own needs,a s they adopted, plagiarized, all forms of spirituality, since the ancient Egyptians, from every host tribe they parasetized and were eventually driven out of.
When they came in contact with Hellenism they infected it, producing Christianity, but were also affected, splintering into three variants.
Christianity is Europe infected.
Masters at using symbols and language to exploit and manipulate, they became masters in manipulating the ultimate form of symbolism, money.  
Like all parasites they care not if they kill the host they feed off.
They promote miscegenation and practice a strict form of in-breeding.

Not all Semites are Jews, and not all Jews are Semites.
Judaism is a meme, an ideology.
A nihilistic meme, meaning it is a noetic contrivance with no external reference.  
Entirely word based - semiotics.
It exploits human existential anxieties, human cowardice, human desperation, illness, vanity, idiocy....

We can admire a virus for its tenacity, and still not want to be it.
We do not hate the disease, that would not solve anything....we study it to become immune to it.
We need the disease to keep our immune system healthy.

Bacteria will survive a nuclear war, and has been around for billions of years.
If survival were the standard then there are more virile life forms to admire and emulate.
You can admire survival, if you wish....having made your life investments already.
I use a different standard to evaluate quality.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat May 26, 2018 10:55 pm

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They (Jews) are known, since ancient times, to have used astrology, magic, and all forms of superstition to exploit the weakest members of a host tribe.

Magic was a central part of Greek religion and oracles would allow people to determine divine will in the rustle of leaves; the shape of flame and smoke on an altar; the flight of birds; the noises made by a spring; or in the entrails of an animal. Also long established were the Eleusinian Mysteries, associated with Demeter and Persephone. People were indoctrinated into mystery religions through initiation ceremonies, which were traditionally kept secret. These religions often had a goal of personal improvement, which would also extend to the afterlife.

In the aftermath of the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek culture spread widely and came into much closer contact with the civilizations of the Near East and Egypt. The most significant changes to impact on Greek religion were the loss of independence of the Greek city-states to Macedonian rulers; the importation of foreign deities; and the development of new philosophical systems. Older surveys of Hellenistic religion tended to depict the era as one of religious decline, discerning a rise in scepticism, agnosticism and atheism, as well as an increase in superstition, mysticism, and astrology.

There is, however, no reason to suppose that there was a decline in the traditional religion. There is plenty of documentary evidence that the Greeks continued to worship the same gods with the same sacrifices, dedications, and festivals as in the classical period. New religions did appear in this period, but not to the exclusion of the local deities, and only a minority of Greeks were attracted to them. From Wikipedia
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat May 26, 2018 11:02 pm

Magic was exploited to manipulate the lower strata of a tribe's society.
A parasite does not invent itself anew...it samples from the host and pretends to be part of it.

The laymen had to be given a myth to believe in literally and not figuratively.
This facilitated integration, discipline and cohesion.
Parasites exploit preexisting flaws in the host.
For example, today pornography, Hollywood, the banking system is dominated by (((them))).
The slave trade was dominated by (((them)))...but nobody talks about it.

Catholicism was their greatest foe....Protestants their allies. This is why they fit into the US.


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Gypsies also live parasitically practicing the same superstitions, preying on a host's most feeble, desperate, gullible, retarded, ill...

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Gypsies are also 'wandering', from host to host, living on the periphery.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sun May 27, 2018 12:35 am

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.....For example, today pornography, Hollywood, the banking system is dominated by (((them))).
The slave trade was dominated by (((them)))...but nobody talks about it.

I agree, but you are chasing the lesser system of false worship and power.

"Had Paganism its temples and altars, its pictures and images? So has Rome. Had Paganism its holy water and incense? So has Rome. Had Paganism its tonsured priests, presided over by a pontifex maximus? So has Rome. Had Paganism its claim to sacerdotal infallibility? So has Popery. Had Paganism its gods carried in procession? So has Rome. Had Paganism its college of pontiffs? So has Rome its college of cardinals. Had Paganism its religious orders? So has Rome. Had Paganism its costly robes, its Queen of Heaven, its rural shrines and processions? So has Rome. Had paganism its pretended miracles and weeping statues? So has Rome. Had Paganism its canonization of saints as in the deification of dead Caesars: So has Rome. Had Paganism its idolatrous calendar and festivals? So has Rome. Had Paganism its celibacy, mystic signs, relics, cruel persecution of those who stand for truth and righteousness? So has Rome".

How could I keep silence, knowing as I did, that those around me (in Ireland) were utterly ignorant of the salvation in which I was rejoicing, and most of them abject slaves of Roman superstition." Dr. H. Grattan Guinness
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sun May 27, 2018 7:38 am

I'm currently reading Michael Jones....1200 pages describing the war against Christianity....

Worshipping nature is more realistic, pragmatic.
It is not nihilistic.
You'll have to read how I define the term 'nihilism' and why.
Every spirituality has superstitions, or narratives that are allegorical but contain wisdom.
The layman, the mediocre, understand these allegories literally....the wise men know they are metaphorical, and intend to distill and pas on wisdom to minds that cannot comprehend, or that need a fairy-tale to cope.
What you call paganism also had this.
It was meant to pass on messages to mediocre minds who would not abide by shared interests, and who would not be satisfied with the truth.
But, at the root of Abrahamism is a diseased negative inverting reaction towards the real.
Whereas Indo-European tradition used metaphors, to refer to observable phenomena, Abrahamism uses them to negate the real.  
Judaism birthed Christianity when it came in contact with Hellenism....and Islam when it came in contact with Arabian tribes - one civilized, the other barbarians.
We see the outcome in the offspring.

Christianity was the jewification of European man.
This is why it became a conflict between mother Judaism, and daughter Christianity.
Mothers conflict with daughters...and in Jewish tradition identity is passed matrilinealy.
Hellenism passed on identity patrilinealy.
We see Hellenism reflected in Christianity, Jewified.

Judaism is superstition - Kabbalah is a quintessentially mystical.
The Torah trained Jews how to use words....to manipulate words, so as to use words to mesmerize, convince, coerce....trick.
The entire Religion is superstitious...an overturning of natural order, so that the slave becomes 'master'.
This appealed, like communism, to the downtrodden, the sick, the desperate, across tribal lines....and so Judaism had to stop proselytizing to preserve its 'choseness'.
Their tale about accepting a god all other tribes had rejected, is an allegory of their won history....they were expelled from every tribe they came in contact with.
Do you think this was accidental, or based on prejudice?
How did the gypsies, for one, avoid the same fate, when they also practiced parasitism and refused to integrate into the host they fed off?

So their 'choosing' the one true god, who all other tribes rejected, means they chose the ideal of themselves - the noetic construct of Judaism that inverts natural order and with its nature based hierarchies.
their refusal to offer this 'salvation' to other slaves was what began the resentment towards them. Something Christianity resolved by selectively dipping into Hellenic cosmopolitanism.
Christianity is Judaism opening to the possibility of world conquest, through the lowly, the ill, the desperate the lost.  
Not accidentally, this is also the motto of the US.
Bring me your desperate, your lost....etc.
There's a historical precedent, explored by Jones, explaining why Protestantism and Judaism allied.
Heisman also explored it (Suicide Note), and traced it all the way back to the conquest of Anglo-Saxons by the Norse, and the American civil war.
Read [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], by Jones.
He's a Christian, like you.
It's over 1200 pages. I'm on page 400.

The Jews sell revolt but practice a severe form of traditionalism.
Three branches differ in their intent.
Orthodox - Judaism
Political - Zionism
Cultural - Marxism

The first remains anti-life, anti-man, and dreams of Armageddon, when the wheat shall be separated from the chaff....the second wants to become a tribe, a noumenon wanting to become a phenomenon, which is the inverted cycle, from genes to memes...and the third wants to level mankind down, to escape an unflattering past, becoming immersed in uniformity. It translates Abrahamism into nihilistic ideology.
Jesus, Marx...both of the same tribe.  
We are in the mist of an infection....starting with Christianity, that has now morphed, evolved, into Marxism.
Post-Modernity is its most recent reinvention, repackaging.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sun May 27, 2018 3:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Tue May 29, 2018 9:47 am

A daughter sides with her daddy, and hates the mother's DNA in her.
The mother, having divorced the father, resents the daughter, because she reminds her of her ex-husband.

But the daddy is absent, so the daughter idealizes her absent father. She selectively recalls him, using anecdotes told to her by others, to form an exaggerated memory of him.  
In her heart she is her mother's daughter, because she raised her on her own.

The conflict is between an absent, perhaps dead, father that is inflated in the mind of a daughter, who feels a kinship because his DNA (memories) are part of her. She feels his presence, on one side, and on the other a mother who birthed and nurtured the daughter and now faces the spirit of her ex husband reflected in her daughter's attitude towards life, aesthetics, ideals.  
Most of the things she knows about her missing father is what her mother told her about him. Her knowledge of him is filtered through her mother's negation, rejection, of him. When she was younger she hated her father, but as she grew older she began to idolize him, finding other sources to fill in her missing knowledge of him.

The son, Islam, on the other hand, identifies with his mother, as all boys do, and only feels his daddy as a tribal barbarianism churning in his gut.
He hates his mother because she tries to keep him a boy, and his missing father prevents him from going through the primal rites of passage from boyhood to manhood.
All he has is his mother to remind him of how different he is to her, and also how like her he wants to become...or how he desires a woman just like her.
Until he finds one he means to dominate his own mother.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:15 am

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Read Jewish revolutionary Spirit and its Impact on the world, by Jones.
He's a Christian, like you.  No, indeed we are world's apart.  I am surprised at your naivety Satyr.
It's over 1200 pages. I'm on page 400.

"A Jesuit in North America goes on a moose hunt, which means he has to live in a tent, a teepee, with with snow up to your waist, because that's the only way you can kill a moose. The Indians get on snowshoes and they stab the moose with spears because they can't get through the deep snow, and then they eat the whole damn moose right there. And so they have like a furnace going on where they're cooking the moose, outside is 20 below zero, inside it's 120 degrees, the Jesuit has his face pressed down to the bottom of the tent trying to breathe some fresh air. This is the type of stuff they had to go through! The Jesuit said, these savages they spend their lives in smoke and eternity in flames. That's why they were there, to baptize them to prevent them from going to Hell".  
E Michael Jones.  

Laughable and totally non scriptural, but decidedly Catholic.  
E Michael Jones obviously has strong areas of knowledge, however, very weak regarding knowledge of the scriptures.

Michael Jones is a puppet controlled by the strings of Rome.
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:03 am

Yes....all of them mad.
Thousands of years of hateful madmen reporting the same things, unable to understand Scripture like the Protestants can.
Jones also explains the unholy alliance between Protestants and...you know who........
As did Heisman....and many others.
All hateful madmen.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:31 pm

You are offended.

I contemplated whether I should reply as I did as I anticipated your withdrawal. Surely you are not oblivious to the power of Rome. The Jews pale into insignificance by comparison.

The Catholic Church, is the richest and most powerful corporation the world has ever known. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Despite its diminutive size, the Vatican wields profound international power, as ambassadors from most major nations flock to their doors. I am talking about their worldview in relation to the role of Scripture and Michael Jones will know exactly what I refer to.

Moreover, the Catholic teachings of purgatory, limbo, and prayers for the dead are nowhere in Scripture, but clearly relics of paganism and that we should call no religious leader “father”.


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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:12 am

Not offended at all.

Jones goes into the Jewish/Protestant alliance....and this is echoed in Heisman's analysis of Anglo-Saxon/Norse history that spilled into the American Civil War.
He goes into how Britain was Judaized, and through Britain the colonies.
Catholicism/Orthodoxy took over when Rome collapsed - Holy Roman Empire, and Byzantium.
The Abrahamic infection splintering Rome in two, adopting some rituals, symbols, traditions and Judaizing them....
Jones claims Protestantism is the Jewification of Christianity...a return to the Old Testament.
He extensively describes the history, and the stages of rebelliousness, going through mysticism, magic, etc.
With names, and dates....  
Protestants and Jews share the same victim psychology, that has become materialism and a desire to construct a 'heaven on earth'...and the same rebelliousness against earthly authorities, and a desire to avenge the 'meek' against the world's 'bullies'.
Communism was a derivative....Marx was a jew. Paradise reinvented as the more earthly Utopian idealism.
It expresses itself in a vindictive, passive-aggressive, or aggressive, rebelliousness against all forms of authority, beginning with natural order, a war against the determining past (nature) - an overturning inverting of reality based on semiotics, the manipulation of symbols/words.  

I'm not the one to defend Catholicism nor Orthodoxy.
Abrahamism is the virus....and its variants are multiple. Sometimes one ascends in prominence and sometimes another.
Dominating now is the Jewish-Protestantism of the US, and the 'colonies' that splintered away from mother Europe.
It defeated the other variant expressed by secular Abrahamism, called Marxism. But Marxism is making a comeback, with post-modernity.
The Anglo-Saxon/Jewish alliance is what we call 'western civilization'.
It's a 'near-perfect' fit...both sharing shame, and a desire to contradict the establishment - the established order.  

Debating with a believer is lost time. There's only emotion, no logic.
Logic, reasoning, acts as a justification for emotional investments.
You are invested, over decades. It's a matter of survival, for you - sanity.
You're too old to change.  
You need your faith to survive.
There is no argument, no reasoning, nothing that will will sway you away from your investment in time and hope.
No matter what is said you will find a excuse, a reason, a justification to remain true to your investment, and double-down.
For your kind it's not about how the 'world is' but how to cope with how the 'world is'.
Coping mechanisms cannot be abandoned without a proven replacement.  

I'm too old to waste my time.
I could begin attacking, dismantling you piece by piece, as I once did...but what's the point?
I know the outcome. You fleeing in anger, accusing me of hatred and brutishness, casting behind ink clouds of ad hominem psychoanalyzing accusations that are meant to cover your retreat and save face....
I know the routine. I've experienced it dozens...no hundreds of times. Been banned from many forums where the 'victims of my abuse' went crying to the 'authorities'.
Irony of ironies...
I once did it for the benefit of the silent reader. The young pliable mind that has not, yet, calcified.
I'm over that phase in my life.

I'm not withdrawing....I'm changing my attitude; my approach.
Adapt or Die.
Know the other, and you can be more efficient with your time and energies in relation to him/her.
Changing the world is a young man's naive idealism.
I seek the flexible, the malleable, the rare...not the rigid stone to bash my fists against.
I seek magma - hot and liquid fire...not cold stones made rock-solid over time.

One God...the only authority. Loving, benevolent, caring...all knowing, omnipotent, omnipresent...
Each man...or woman, can have a personal relationship with God, without any intervening institution; a church or priest.
Heaven awaits....if not after death then in the immanent future.
Got it.
Like I said....good luck.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:36 pm

As evidence on how long this has been going on I offer a small quote from Michael Jone's book from centuries ago...
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much glory in their [Le., theJews'] mysterious Cabal, wherein they make the reality of things to depend upon letters and words; but they hold that the Hebrew hath sole privilege of this. This Cabal ... is, as they say, a reparation in some measure for the loss of our knowledge of Adam, and they say it was revealed four times.'l!

I've underlined the relevant point.
We can see how patterns repeat and with it history.
The mystification of symbols/words, numbers, is an ancient method of exploiting and manipulating simpletons.
In the book there are many connections to numerology and gematria, as well as astology, and how the Protestants began their association with the chosen that continues to this day.

I gave one name above...John Dee....but their are many other famous names implicated, like Bacon.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:53 pm

This obsession you have about the Jews, what is it based upon....

Are you a Nazi sympathiser
Do you work for a Jewish company and they under pay you
Have you been humiliated by a Jew
Cheated by a Jew
Physically beaten by a Jew?

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:59 am

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This obsession you have about the Jews, what is it based upon....

Are you a Nazi sympathiser
Do you work for a Jewish company and they under pay you
Have you been humiliated by a Jew
Cheated by a Jew
Physically beaten by a Jew?


Ah yes, you come to a random forum on the periphery of the modern world and you ask someone what is the obsession with jews, overlooking the jewish obsession with Europeans that is part of the curriculum in most modern academic, media, and political circles.

Are you honestly unaware of this or does your feminine spirit cause you to psychologize anyone who fails to be impressed by those who do well in an artificial feminized environment?

What is your obsession with obsession?
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:28 am

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This obsession you have about the Jews, what is it based upon....

Are you a Nazi sympathiser
Do you work for a Jewish company and they under pay you
Have you been humiliated by a Jew
Cheated by a Jew
Physically beaten by a Jew?

Actually...I was sodomized by a circumcised penis.....and the trauma shaped my psyche.
Since then I've had latent homosexual feelings and resentment towards Semites that reject my advances.
Also....a year ago a Jewish woman broke my heart, and I became a misogynist anti-Semite.  

Once the intellectual critique fails, go for the personal.
I've had nothing but positive relationships with Jews.
Mainly because I never reveal my thoughts to others.
This is not about a people named 'Jews', but about a ideology, named Judaism, that emerged in a people called the Semites.
Simple, and it's been explained numerous times.
I study the most obvious example of a theory.
In this case Nihilism.
It's about a way of thinking, an attitude, a relationship of ideal with real.

I diagnosed a disease, and Judaism was its dominant example, going back thousands of years.
They are not the only example but, in this age, the dominant one.
Christianity and Islam being offshoots of Judaism, and Judaism being an amalgamation of Egyptian, Babylonian, Zoroastrian, and a variety of other cultural influences they took from, during their multiple expulsions.
WE Moderns always accuse the aggressor but not the hypothetical 'victim' because we psychologically associate with victims.
In the case of the Jews, we never wonder why they were so hated and why they were expelled from every tribe they came in contact with...only that it must have been 'envy' or irrational hatred, or something easy and simple, like that.
The US, the most powerful nation in the history of mankind justifies flexing of its power by accusing others of victimizing, hating, envying the US.

Furthermore, I study my environment, and at this point and time specific mind-sets, ideologies, attitudes dominate.
Should I ignore them so as to not be accused of 'obsession'?
Should I pretend they are 'good', so as to not be accused of hatred?
If I were living on the savanna I would study the organisms occupying that environment...particularly the threats....the predators, parasites, etc.

As a good Protestant, you must defend your investment...I get it.
And I wish you good luck.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:40 am

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Are you a Nazi sympathiser

Hmmm, you seem to have an obsession with those National Socialists, not that that's surprising, some people have almost built their contemporary understanding of themselves, their identity around them.

I would have asked if Satyr is an ancient Egyptians sympathiser and again, some people have built their religious identity in large parts around their interaction with them as well.

Talk about really being obsessed with something.
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:41 am

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reasonvemotion wrote:
This obsession you have about the Jews, what is it based upon....

Are you a Nazi sympathiser
Do you work for a Jewish company and they under pay you
Have you been humiliated by a Jew
Cheated by a Jew
Physically beaten by a Jew?


Ah yes, you come to a random forum on the periphery of the modern world and you ask someone what is the obsession with jews, overlooking the jewish obsession with Europeans that is part of the curriculum in most modern academic, media, and political circles.

Are you honestly unaware of this or does your feminine spirit cause you to psychologize anyone who fails to be impressed by those who do well in an artificial feminized environment?
What is your obsession with obsession?
When they run out of defensive maneuvers they begin with the psychoanalyzing...the ad hom.
I've faced it for decades.
It's predictable.

In the past I would respond in kind and that would lead in accusations of ad hom....pot calling the kettle black....then a running to the authorities and my inevitable banishment...
This is part of the defensive pattern.
If you can't argue rationally, begin insinuating a motive, a psychological dysfunction, a traumatic event to explain and dismiss what you cannot rationalize away.

Say anything negative about the 'protective species' and see how fast they begin insinuating all kinds of nasty motives and ailments.
Say something honest about race evolution theory....and what accusation pops up?
Sometimes it's overt, sometimes sly, like in this case.....with a calm insinuating question:
Why do you hate black people?
Were you raped by one?
Were you beaten up by them?
Are you jealous?

See, it must be an emotion, because for them this is what they use to defend what they cannot understand nor rationalize.
Her defence of Judaism is really a defence of Protestantism...which is a defence of the 'right kind of Christianity', the 'proper' form of the disease.
She has no rational arguments to defend an irrational dogma.
it's a matter of needing this myth to cope, and having invested decades on its support, she knows she will collapse without it.
So, her emotionalism is projected....as I've noted in other threads about the methodology of nihilists.
They absolve themselves of what they feel they are most guilty of.
They justify their beliefs using emotions, so any critique of this must be the product of emotion.
See it's a continuation of this 'self-consistent logic': all is subjective, so if you say something contrary it must be subjective; everything is nurture, so whatever confronts and threatens must also be a product of nurturing, experiences....etc.
Typical specimen.
A dime a dozen.

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