Pentagon will seek to mandate Covid vaccine for 1.4 million troops
Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin wants to make the vaccines mandatory by Sept. 15 or “immediately upon” FDA approval, “whichever comes first.”
By LARA SELIGMAN
08/09/2021 02:29 PM EDT
Updated: 08/09/2021 05:08 PM EDT
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin will seek to make the Covid-19 vaccine mandatory for all of its 1.4 million service members by mid-September, a date that could be accelerated if needed, according to a new memo from the Pentagon chief released Monday.
Austin’s memo answers President Joe Biden’s request to waive a federal law requiring individuals be given a choice if the vaccine is not fully authorized by the FDA, a step expected in early September.
In his memo to the force, Austin said he will “seek the president’s approval to make the vaccines mandatory no later than mid-September, or immediately upon” FDA approval, “whichever comes first.”
If infections continue to spike however, “I will not hesitate to act sooner or recommend a different course to the President if l feel the need to do so,” the secretary warned.
Pentagon to rollout plan for mandatory vaccinations for military members SharePlay Video The move also follows Biden's directive that the Pentagon examine how and when it could mandate the shot for the military. The president last month mandated all federal workers either get the vaccine or submit to frequent testing and travel restrictions.
DoD officials have made several calls to key lawmakers in recent days to gauge support for the mandate, according to a congressional source and a senior administration official familiar with the talks.
In particular, DoD is concerned about service members of color who may be reluctant to take the vaccine, one of the people said. Black and Hispanic communities were hit harder by the pandemic, but those areas have lower vaccination rates than white communities, partially due to a deep mistrust of health authorities.
Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby did not deny that discussions with lawmakers had taken place, but said there has been no effort on behalf of the secretary or the department "to solicit support from members of Congress for mandatory vaccination efforts."
Over 30 percent of active-duty troops have not been vaccinated.
In a statement from the White House Monday, Biden said he would “strongly support Secretary Austin’s message to the Force” that would “add the COVID-19 vaccine to the list of required vaccinations for our service members not later than mid-September.”
About 73 percent of the overall active-duty force has already been vaccinated, but for the holdouts who may continue to refuse after the order is given, there will likely be some form of discipline.
Kirby told reporters at the Pentagon pn Monday that he doesn’t know what that might consist of. But Austin “has full confidence that service leadership and commanders are going to implement the new vaccination program with professionalism, skill, and with compassion.”
Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), chair of the House Armed Services Committee, issued a statement supporting the push to vaccinate, saying “some may try and criticize the Secretary’s decision, using anti-vax arguments that are not supported by facts or science to politicize the conversation. These desperate attention seekers must be ignored.”
The Republican ranking member of the committee, Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala.), issued his own statement, saying, "we must not allow COVID-19 to be a hindrance on our force,” adding that the number of troops already vaccinated is “encouraging news and I hope that number reaches 100% quickly.”
The Biden administration's caution in handling the mandate may be rooted in the legal challenges the Pentagon faced when it mandated the anthrax vaccine for troops in the 1990s before it was fully FDA approved.
At the time, many troops refused to take the vaccine. Several filed lawsuits asserting the Pentagon could not require a vaccine that had not been fully licensed, in one instance forcing the department to stop the program. Eventually the FDA approved the vaccine, and the Pentagon reinstated the mandate for troops in certain high-risk locations.
The military requires a number of vaccines for all recruits, including influenza, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus and yellow fever.
Austin’s memo reflects similar decisions taken by governments and private companies around globally, as the world again struggles with the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant that has sent new U.S. cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge to levels not seen since the winter months.
In response, the White House, State Department and Pentagon reservation had all reimposed indoor mask mandates for all individuals regardless of vaccination status.
As of late July, the Navy was leading the services in vaccination rates, with 72 percent of the force having already had both shots. The Army follows close behind with 62 percent of soldiers being vaccinated while 60 percent of Air Force and Space Force active-duty personnel are fully vaccinated, a number that falls to 56 percent when guard and reserve troops are factored in.
A total of 59 percent of active-duty Marines are fully vaccinated, while just 21 percent of reserve Marines have received their two shots.
Paul McLeary and Erin Banco contributed to this report.
Implementing Tyranny to a virus, released from the Wuhan CCP Laboratory, funded in part by Anthony Fauci, with a survivability rate of 99.9% high estimate, 99.7% low estimate...
Yes, the world will be at war sooner than later.
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Yeup, lazy and jealous...that about sums it up. Hard work made America!! God bless 'em all.
I suspect that those who work hard don't use that "work hard" line very often. They know that actual hard work doesn't always result in great success and it's difficult and you sacrifice a lot when you are working hard. That line is about virtue signalling to others.
Jealous about being bested by losers, the jealous cannot admit that losers can do anything good without sarcasm (or worse).
lazy for two reasons: 1. A)US workers work more hours on average than European workers B)US workers celebrate fewer holidays and vacation less than Europeans 3. European governments use the US to carry out their non-greedy agendas, while the European people live in luxury guilt free. You don't see your hypocrisy, but know it exists.
This is fun and I'm improving as this continues. Thanks. No matter the accusations, insults, etc., I shall remain emotionally unattached and stick closer to reason than not with a 'boop' of humor ta boot.
If you have to drag me into this US vs Europe argument then I will say that I see some good and some bad in Americans (of European descent). But I think we wouldn't agree on what in particular is the good and what is the bad. Simply put, what the J-left media finds deplorable about European-Americans I like and whatever they praise about them I dislike.
Now, about those work hours, there is also a comparison within Europe between let's say Greece and Germany. It turned out that the Greek work more hours than the Germans, yet it's the Greeks who are getting bailed out with monetary credit on a semi-regular basis by Germany or the EU at large. Which made me think that it's not as simple as many work hours = success nor moral virtue.
For one, if women spend more time at home raising the children then that means on average less work hours per person (depending on how these averages are calculated). The more money you earn per hour due to efficiency (competency throughout the ranks) and functional unions, the fewer hours you have to work to make enough money. The less money you squander on BS and the less you have to pay on various rents because you own the place you live in, the fewer hours you have to work to make a decent living.
Now, about those work hours, there is also a comparison within Europe between let's say Greece and Germany. It turned out that the Greek work more hours than the Germans, yet it's the Greeks who are getting bailed out with monetary credit on a semi-regular basis by Germany or the EU at large. Which made me think that it's not as simple as many work hours = success nor moral virtue.
If your source is recent for the difference between Germany and Greece, from what I gathered the Greece of the past enjoyed long lunch breaks(2-3 hours) which may have been curtailed in more recent years due to the dire economic consequences of long lunches in a system of competitive capitalism.
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Now, about those work hours, there is also a comparison within Europe between let's say Greece and Germany. It turned out that the Greek work more hours than the Germans, yet it's the Greeks who are getting bailed out with monetary credit on a semi-regular basis by Germany or the EU at large. Which made me think that it's not as simple as many work hours = success nor moral virtue.
If your source is recent for the difference between Germany and Greece, from what I gathered the Greece of the past enjoyed long lunch breaks(2-3 hours) which may have been curtailed in more recent years due to the dire economic consequences of long lunches in a system of competitive capitalism.
I think it was the study that is referenced here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
When looking at overall average working hours (full- and part-time) it looks like the poorer countries have the longest working hours.
Prosperous Greece used to have the 30 hour work weeks like the Dutch. In another twenty years, the Dutch may end up in Greece’s current shoes by not being as competitive as the rest of the world. Or the Dutch have slightly higher IQs enabling a propensity to acquire lucrative inventions and thus more profitable industries. At any rate, in twenty years, if the Dutch are still living large, I’d be surprised.
In other words, the smartest people who do more work are always going to have more success than the smartest people who do less work.
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It's simply an observation I've observed throughout life.
Northern and Central Europeans seem to take pride in their own work while Southern Europeans, and British elitists, moralize work as beneath them, something for 'slaves' or lower men to do. This creates systems of belief and social hierarchy. In Northern/Eastern Europe the mentality is more 'communal', which is a root of communism. Work does not separate class, and it is expected even of the elite that they too must "get their hands dirty". This mentality is directly opposite of the Southern/Western Europeans, who see getting their hands dirty as lowly, something to be ashamed about rather than prideful of.
Across centuries, this appeared as and through Slavery. Slaves were imported from Eastern Europe. The Greeks have a different idea of Slavery than Romans or British though, excluding the Pejorative/negative connotation. Greeks would integrate slaves into families over time. This is also something Romans did with Jews (jewish slaves) in the earlier centuries. The British developed the most distinct separation between Slave and Master, Peasant and Lord though. That was because of the development of their history of the Anglo-Saxons and British royalty who were geographically isolated from the rest of Europe.
So as it appears today, in the United States, those with more ethnic admixture seem to me to have different attitudes about Work and Life in general. I see it in Satyr as a Greek. I see it in ethnic Germans. I see it in my own mentality and family's. For example, I believe the people who actually build the thing, deserve credit for it, not the 'lords' or 'elitists' who believe things they did not create as owed to themselves, as-if they are entitled to it.
It's a moral aptitude and attitude, about taking credit for things which may or may not be one's own.
I believe hard times are nigh. When Austerity hits, as a downturn from Abundance, people revert backward "regress" to their ethnic/racial roots and origin. This means that people exhibit behaviors and morality that correlates exactly with their genetic origins. Different ethnic/clan/familial groups act-out according to that morality. So ideologies and idealism gets stripped during austere times and eras. The "American" ideal is a facade. When times get tough, people will revert to their genetically inherited beliefs.
However this becomes blurred when people mix ethnically and racially. They become disassociated and fragmented, which I also see throughout USA and the Western world, a loss and destruction of (ethnic/racial) identity. This is also further slandered and censored by extensive funding, billions of dollars, from the liberal-left-DNC. Censorship doesn't make it go away though. And it resurges quickly in austerity. All the money in the world, suppressing it, cannot stop it. It erupts like a volcano or hot spring.
People will quickly seek-out and cluster around those with the strongest senses of (genetic) identity, during austere times, or times of war. This can also be characterized as those on the political "Right". However I see it as a natural factor and tendency, over time. People and societies act very differently during abundance than they do in austerity/starvation, the "money reveals who you truly are" trope.
I believe hard times are nigh. When Austerity hits, as a downturn from Abundance, people revert backward "regress" to their ethnic/racial roots and origin. This means that people exhibit behaviors and morality that correlates exactly with their genetic origins. Different ethnic/clan/familial groups act-out according to that morality. So ideologies and idealism gets stripped during austere times and eras. The "American" ideal is a facade. When times get tough, people will revert to their genetically inherited beliefs.
However this becomes blurred when people mix ethnically and racially. They become disassociated and fragmented, which I also see throughout USA and the Western world, a loss and destruction of (ethnic/racial) identity. This is also further slandered and censored by extensive funding, billions of dollars, from the liberal-left-DNC. Censorship doesn't make it go away though. And it resurges quickly in austerity. All the money in the world, suppressing it, cannot stop it. It erupts like a volcano or hot spring.
People will quickly seek-out and cluster around those with the strongest senses of (genetic) identity, during austere times, or times of war. This can also be characterized as those on the political "Right". However I see it as a natural factor and tendency, over time. People and societies act very differently during abundance than they do in austerity/starvation, the "money reveals who you truly are" trope.
I am 99.8% European. Describe my impending morality.
I am 99.8% European. Describe my impending morality.
Now you are speaking racially which is a much larger generalization.
You must be compared to East Asians, East Indians, Arabs/Semites, Africans, Native Americans, and the like.
Compared to non-European races, Europeans are very civilized and therefore more domesticated. Thus Europeans are more farmers and gardeners than they are Nomadic. Europeans are not Nomadic, generally do not move around from place-to-place but resettle permanently if at all. Europeans are Classist and "Socialist", meaning that familial and ethnic connections are historical. You say you're racially European, but Americanized Europeans have been very much propagandized to disconnect from historical ethnic enclaves. Although European colonizers and immigrants into America do have their own enclaves in different parts of the United States, Swedes in Michigan, Poles in Indiana, Irish in Boston, Germans in Western states, Anglo-Saxons in the South, etc.
Europeans, like Asians and other developed (domesticated/civilized) races are generally Monogamous, and so morally aligned. Obviously most Europeans are from a variant of Christianity (Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox), which are also greater generalizations of pagan roots, post-conversion. So marriage is very important to Europeans, despite American pressures to strip-down that importance and destroy it.
Europeans are a warmongering race that encompasses centuries and millenniums of ethnic warfare and development, that other human races have much less of. Although other races certainly war within, and war with outsiders, Europeans have developed a method of 'civilized' warfare which is far more controlled and sophisticated. Therefore is a Competitive streak in Europeans that generally outshines other races. Europeans are more 'driven' to "progress" through competition. However these forms of competition differ according to specific ethnic countries and societies.
Europeans are more 'absolutist' in mentality as a result of this, and more willing to dominate "globally" as embodied by the predominantly 'White' and jewish-mixed Globalists who control much of the modern world.
This last point can be compared to racially pure ethnic Han Chinese, who do not by contrast tend to seek and explore outside China, do not Colonize, but rather are more racially Introverted and socially inward looking.
Europeans are the most 'explorative' race, and the ones most willing to take scientific risks to 'progress' sciences in general.
I am 99.8% European. Describe my impending morality.
Now you are speaking racially which is a much larger generalization.
You must be compared to East Asians, East Indians, Arabs/Semites, Africans, Native Americans, and the like.
Compared to non-European races, Europeans are very civilized and therefore more domesticated. Thus Europeans are more farmers and gardeners than they are Nomadic. Europeans are not Nomadic, generally do not move around from place-to-place but resettle permanently if at all. Europeans are Classist and "Socialist", meaning that familial and ethnic connections are historical. You say you're racially European, but Americanized Europeans have been very much propagandized to disconnect from historical ethnic enclaves. Although European colonizers and immigrants into America do have their own enclaves in different parts of the United States, Swedes in Michigan, Poles in Indiana, Irish in Boston, Germans in Western states, Anglo-Saxons in the South, etc.
Europeans, like Asians and other developed (domesticated/civilized) races are generally Monogamous, and so morally aligned. Obviously most Europeans are from a variant of Christianity (Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox), which are also greater generalizations of pagan roots, post-conversion. So marriage is very important to Europeans, despite American pressures to strip-down that importance and destroy it.
Europeans are a warmongering race that encompasses centuries and millenniums of ethnic warfare and development, that other human races have much less of. Although other races certainly war within, and war with outsiders, Europeans have developed a method of 'civilized' warfare which is far more controlled and sophisticated. Therefore is a Competitive streak in Europeans that generally outshines other races. Europeans are more 'driven' to "progress" through competition. However these forms of competition differ according to specific ethnic countries and societies.
Europeans are more 'absolutist' in mentality as a result of this, and more willing to dominate "globally" as embodied by the predominantly 'White' and jewish-mixed Globalists who control much of the modern world.
This last point can be compared to racially pure ethnic Han Chinese, who do not by contrast tend to seek and explore outside China, do not Colonize, but rather are more racially Introverted and socially inward looking.
Europeans are the most 'explorative' race, and the ones most willing to take scientific risks to 'progress' sciences in general.
I agree with what you have written but can you further elaborate on the morals pulled from the explorative but also war-like European tendencies, especially in contrast to their marriage to their lands and their significant other?
Basically a third generation American here, on one side they thought they were Serbian, but were actually(23 and Me revealed) more Sicilian. That was a shocker. And I was shocked to be so European overall, with only .2% Iberian.
My Rh negative blood type makes me wonder how much Basque is in me since the mysterious Basque, with the only surviving ancient language and culture, seem to be the originators of that blood type. One rare mutation in a highly concentrated area feels significant, mysterious. Significant of ‘what’ is the mystery.
It seems the KTS crowd is getting rusty. I supposes that's the inevitable result of residing in echo-chambers too long.
Echo chambers are self-referential and comforting, now while a case can be made for the latter, i see no evidence for the former... And even if there was, accusing this place of that in a time of modern media and academia is redundant. You might as well accuse us of enjoying government benefits to some degree as well.
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Resources are measured to evaluate high standards of living. The more resources acquired, the higher the standard of living.
By the US procuring the lion's share of resources through solely insidious means, in essence "stealing" from other countries (you didn't need to explicitly type the words stealing and mostly stealing the world's resources), for that to be your accusation.
Another hopeless romantic beleiving in the benevolence of her nation state.
No, little girl, hard work does not suffice. I know that's what your mommy and daddy told you, but it ain't' so. It is a factor, but not the only one - not the decisive one. Few became billionaires by working hard alone. Wealth is built on blood, not sweat. Your naivite explains the current condition of the State you belong to. Puritanism.
WendyDarling wrote:
So, now you have changed your position from the world having dreams, and superior ones at that, to ideals?
Nope, that has always been my position.
"Dreams" are founded on ideals. I dream of what I idealize.
WendyDarling wrote:
What ideals?
Each culture has its own foundational ideals, producing a type of man. Ideals determine a nation's objectives that identify it and the individuals comprising it. These may be corrupted over time. For instance American ideals are individualism and freedom - freedom from past/nature. These have been corrupted by the US being infested and infected by Afro-Asiatic nihilistic ideals warping it into a messianic postmodern entity, similar to how a man can be changed by a brain disease so that he no longer is the man he was in his youth. Postmodernism is based on American individualism and freedom.
The "melting pot" strategy has its risks and flaws....it exposes the SuperOrganism, i.e., nation-state, to all kinds of external ideological carriers - memetic agencies which dominate easily when there is no core genetic/memetic (racial/ethnic, cultural/traditional) identifier. The market palce - supply/demand - exploits the basest human emotions and anxieties.
WendyDarling wrote:
Which ideal/s is Europe's colonialism based on? Altruism? Peace? Enlightenment?
How Abrahamic of you....Ha!!! Power, necessity, ethnicity. Survival of the fittest, daaarling. You need a moral concealment to deal with your culpability. You aren't innocent even if you relish remaining ignorant.
WendyDarling wrote:
To you, colonialism is not greed? Instead virtuous?
There is physical and mental/spiritual need/desire - genes/memes, body/mind, physical/ideological. Gluttony, greed, is of the body, i.e., physical. Will to Power is an expression of mental, psychological, need.
I also distinguish between need and desire thusly: Need = product of lack, e.g., hunger, thirst, power, greed etc. Interaction causes attrition, which is experienced as need. Desire = product of excess, by-product of the first, e.g., sexual desire, art... Succesful satation of needs produces an excess of energies - liidinal. The two intertwine in humans, and in all life. Need, Ananke, motivates and if succesful produces excess that must be expunged either through growth or reproduction/procreativity, or creativity...
WendyDarling wrote:
Tell me all about the high ideals of the past Europe then?
I'm not interested in being your mentor, darling.... Read books. Start with the pre-Socratics, get into the foundations of European, Indo-European, culture, before Abrahamism infestation...explore the Faustian spirit...
WendyDarling wrote:
Next, are you going to blame colonialism on America? America had colonies.
Ha!!! You are daft. Who blamed the US of anything but hypocrisy? Even in this there is no complaint only an exploration of the enemy's methods to develop immunity, because the U.S. is the enemy of European man, and of life. The American experiment has been contaminated by a virus, carried by a specific symbiont that has developed an interesting survival/reproductive strategy by accepting rather than rejecting the nihilistic mental virus.
WendyDarling wrote:
You.
If I expose a liar and his lies, is it a complaint, or an accusation? Should I keep silent and let the liar lie?
WendyDarling wrote:
Either this is a blanket statement that all the blood, sweat, and tears being caused, the world's impoverishment, is only attributed to the US, the stealer of dreams (I mean ideals) or you will capitulate that all first world countries employ spurious means(even at times using their US allies)to achieve their less than virtuous agendas to maintain, their high standards of living as well?
Which is it?
Your mind is contaminated by Abrahamic ethics and this either/or good versus evil psychosis.
I'm only going to add this: The British Empire did not vanish, it was absorbed into the American Empire which adopted a more subtle, sophisticated, feminine, method of maintaining empire - one not requiring force, as its primary method, but seduction and language/art.
It is obvious that you are a romantic idealist who is convicnced that her nation/state, such as it is, is a benevolent force of good in the world. A naive idealist that has no clue about human psychology nor what her nation has done to maintain and increase its power since the end of the last two Great Wars....nor preceding them. Messainsim always claims a higher moral motive. It's part of tis MO.
WendyDarling wrote:
I disagree with your list of countries that were rich, with high standards of living for their general populations.
Sweetie, exploiting resources is no longer about taking them out of a geographical area....like they were in the past. It goes through proxies. You do not enslave, you seduce midns to become willing servants. A happy cow is a more productive one.
Like I said above, this is a sophisticated upgrade of the British Empire, seducing rather than coercing, manipulating using language/art rather than guns and force. Read about what the US did in Central American through the United Fruit Company; who controlled it, with CIA backing; how it exploited that region's resources leaving its populations destitute and desperate for work; how all attemtps to return the farmland to the nation's farmers was met with violence and puppet governments, etc.; read Chomsky's insights into how promoting war - Manufacturing Consent - is the foundation of American Empire and its military-industrial complex...its "deep state".
WendyDarling wrote:
If facts are non-existing absolutes, what is left?
Absolute = indivisible, immutable, singularity, whole, complete, one....etc. Fact = a dynamic relationship within space/time.
There are facts - some more and some less ephemeral - but there is no absolute. Facts in space/time: past = immutable relationships; present = mutating relationships, dynamic; future = yet to become fact. We often use the term "absolute" to emphasize our certainty concerning a fact. This is why I say that absolutes only exist in the mind and not outside them. There are no immutable, indivisible, static, complete, total, whole, singularities, i.e., things, in the real world....but only in the interpreting, representational, mind.
"Facts", like "truths", if defined and understood properly, refers to a relationship between mind and world - noumenon/phenomenon - the real and the ideal, and so can only be an indication of probabilty; an evaluation, judgement, which requires collaboration, evidence, and constant reafirmation.
WendyDarling wrote:
During WW2, when Hitler's forces secured the Russian farmlands in the June of '41 and began starving Russia out and the United States gave Russia food and more.
Ah.... So, Russia did, and does, have resources which other nations, including the US, covet.
What Russia lacked were technologies, not resources.
WendyDarling wrote:
Show me from your examples.
Russia....Germany...Vietnam. Look at the lies you've propagated through your media and Hollywood, concerning them.
You pillage and then blame the pillaged...claiming the moral high ground. You bomb and then claim you are doing it for their own good. It's not you, the people, you tell them, but your government....feminine methods. "I cheated on you because you did not show me enough attention".
You want to "free them" from their own traditions...so that they can adopt your vacuous American culture-of-no-culture, churning out minds like yours; lost souls looking for purpose and meaning when materialism has been exposed as empty, and when the world rejects you, you accuse them of terrorism, or envy....
WendyDarling wrote:
I am a dumb/forgetful American, what was my stated morality? Please quote me and explain.
Self-righteous simpleton, when you want to rape someone don't tell them they liked it, or deserved it, or were asking for it.....just admit it and tell them you mean to take what you want. But this method is succesfull, look at the minds it has produced.
I'm not compalining daaaarling....I'm exposing, so that not all of us get raped.
WendyDarling wrote:
What else can I do other than only agree with you?
Be careful, the imabiguuods imbecile, sniffing at my crotch for years, will acuse you of becomnig my "stooge". All must disagree...in a no god world; where all is subjective.....why else would anyone agree other than by force or seduction?
WendyDarling wrote:
No worse, you deny it has and is happening in order for you to live so comfortably.
I am not shamed by what does not contradict my principles and morals...you are. You can't even abide by your own moral values when you try to hide the source of your comfortable American lifestyle.
WendyDarling wrote:
Your silence and redirection when asked directly says it all. No accountability followed by a never ending stream of hypocrisy.
The difference between us is that I can admit that we caused anguish, did some nasty shit the last 60 years(as you put in your first accusation) to live well, you can't admit to anything but screwing over Muslims hundreds of years ago. Carry on living up in the virtuous clouds.
Why would I deny what I am not ashamed of? Ha!!! I'm no Christian, daaaarling.
WendyDarling wrote:
"Facts are things that are known or proved to be true."
You cannot even concede the fact, the existence, of this sentence?
I've done so.
Again: facts refer to relationships, past or present, between observable, exprienced pheneomna. Facts are about probabilities, not absolute certainty. Sketicism must always allow the interetation to be founded on an error, or misinterpretation, or on ignorance. So, we are dealing with "probabilty beyond a reasonable doubt".
Now how this is built, is another question. I've littered this forum on how I do it.
WendyDarling wrote:
Tell me about the squalor of Europe.
Spiritual squalor. The war is no longer only over material resources, but human resources. Why conquer a territory when you can conquer the minds of its popualtion and make them harvest them for you? Why keep slaves when you can ensvalve using ideology, and have them believe they are free?
This is a "War Like No Other", daaaarlnig. This is meta-warfare, sweetie.
WendyDarling wrote:
Jealous about being bested by losers, the jealous cannot admit that losers can do anything good without sarcasm (or worse).
I'm never troubled by people like you declaring me "bested" or "thumped". Even the iamgbiguous claims to have "thumped me"...... I actually want you to think so....it suits my objectives. I suggest you return to your own kind on ILP...and have a debate with the geniuses there. Some being Nietzsche's inheritors, time travellers, omniscient beings, computer life forms and all kinds of supernatural individuals that excell in some way...
All you rats are jumping ship when the pide-pipers have gone away.
p.s., Yes....the US became superpower with hard work, perseverance, and good will. The first Superpower in the history of mankind to have ever done so.
Conversing with you is like dealing with a child. Fatiguing and annoying. Stick with cooking and chit-chat, at least tyhere soemothing of value can be gained.
By the way....I love 70's, 80's and 90's American music, rock and pop, it was the score of my youth. Makes me nostalgic. But I also like many other genres.... traditional, classical... even some Rap and country....
The Judaization of America is now sold as a model to be emulated. Imagine forcing Arabs - Semites that did not embrace Judaism - to now submit and adopt Liberalism, its modern variant, or postmodernism, another variant based on the modification of Marxism.
Imagine trying to impose misandry on a people, like they've done to Europeans. Imagine trying to destroy Paternalism all over the world and then wondering why the world resists or rebels. Then they claim that America is hated because of envy.
Imagine trying to force other nations to adopt your postmodern nihilism which is destroying your own nation.
They never write the history books objectively. What debauchery was occurring in German in the years leading to the second war? Who was at the centre of it? Look to the US for a hint. Why did whites lynch those specific Negroes? Had they done something vile or were they just random innocent blacks? Look to what is occurring in the US and not reported. Which was truly the largest, per capita, ethnic cleansing conducted against an ethnicity in the history of mankind? Why don't we ever hear of it, or see it depicted in Hollywood movies?
A parasite adapts to the host it infests, and then begins to undermine it over large periods of time. Being persecuted is part of the parasite's identity. Its burden.
The covenant with the nihilistic dogma is all that matters and all it can be loyal to.
Communism is an "in". The undermining will not be the same as the one employed to drain the US.
My experience with the Chinese, is that they are very racist and unapollogetic about it. Unlike Westerners who are shamed, and ashamed of Christian roots, Easterners have none of that. Chinese have no trouble calling out Jews, or any foreigners, in China. And from my studies of anthropology, the CCP and ruling political party believe that they can out-maneuver Abrahamism in general.
Maybe they're right, maybe not, time will tell in that regard.
The "Capitalists" already have their foot in the door and connections in China.
Chinese and Jews actually have a lot in common, ethically and economically.
I use Mark Zuckerberg and his Chinese wife as an example of what comes next.
I disagree with these assessments, despite the fact that mass immigration is breaking Western Civilization.
The bigger problem is US Legitimacy; we basically have none. Refusing hundreds of thousands of Afghanis who were loyal to the US for 20 years, for an overall botched operation, would destroy whatever little legitimacy USA has left. You make allies and friends for 20 years, then you leave them out to dry? No, doing that, is the exact last thing the Western World needs.
That is far worse than letting them in. If people want to hardline immigration, on the basis of legitimacy, then may as well prepare for civil war. Because the complete loss of legitimacy means that Revolutionaries are eventually going to overthrow governments. Signs already point to this everywhere. People are fed up. People have no reason to be loyal to government with no Legitimacy, that cannot hold to its word, to its own people, and to the rest of the world.
Satyr Daemon
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People act surprised by Biden's callousness and obliviousness, truth is, he's always been a clueless moron, Democrats will quickly wake up to the fact that they fucked up voting for him over Trump:
Two points for sanity.
