_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
Proving once more that women conform to fashion trends to social norms clueless about what they are doing and why.
Let us thank the gods for imbeciles, and children, and ...women.
Of course, this simpleton, misses a whole lot of content. He does not understand what this "socialism"is and why it emerged as a fashionable social trend after the defeat of Nazism. he does not understand human psychology as it relates to sex....and why women who have men to take care of, rather than to be cared by them, would be dissatisfying, on a primal level.
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Satyr Daemon
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Interesting point....human nature is adaptive. It inherits nothing through DNA. No disposition, no automated re-activity, no innate nature. Like chimpanzees, perchance. No violence there? Wait....have chips been nurtured, edumucated, to use violence?
The Nihilistic meme is so ingrained in the psyche of the Modern that both ends of the political spectrum agree, at least on its fundamental mythologies. This Modern had to find something in female nature to place violence there - to share it, as a negative. Violence, like gender, like race, is a social construct. Incredible.
Always a bit disappointing to find someone with the right conclusion and the wrong formula. Oh well.
Here are some quotes from these pathetic feminists.
A Black Woman wrote:
1. Engage in a conversation if it feels safe and appropriate.
Maybe a discussion about privilege would help.
Outstanding. The woman shows us her natural role of blindly enforcing social norms. If someone acts "innappropriate" or causes her slight emotional turmoil, run away like a pathetic child, of course. What else would a woman do?
Why does a woman enforce social norms, you may wonder? How else could she wear fancy clothes, decorate and organize her home with trinkets and feminitries, and delude herself to thinking that she is a person of culture and worth, when a man buys her fancy wines to feed that hollow head of hers? And why would we want to hear her whine about privilege, when she has more privilege than most men do?
More quotes.
A Black Woman wrote:
5. Speak your truth. Don’t let your voice be silenced.
Your truth is just that – yours.
I guess truth is a sample platter of random baked goods. We must sit down and sample everyone's personal truths, like old dry biscuits. All truths are valid, and equally true. We must sample old dry biscuits, just as we must hold every Call of Duty remake in high esteem. Modern art judges quality by the most meaningless, most open to interpretation, why should truth be any different?
A Black Woman wrote:
4. Stand up for yourself. You deserve respect.
If someone is being rude to you, point out that they’re being rude. You don’t have to start an argument with them. You can just say, “I’m sorry, but I’m finding it really difficult to engage in this conversation because I feel like you’re attacking me.
She talks about getting some balls, and standing up for herself. Of course, the woman's first step is to apologize to her aggressor. Her first words are "I'm sorry." Women so often fail at being men, yet males can so easily assume the role and personality of the woman. This is because males are mutations, and women remain still the base form of the human, the child. While men understand what it is like to be a child, and by extension, what it is to be female, females are usually genetically undeveloped, still in infancy, still child-like in both appearance and mind.
perpetualburn
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Women so often fail at being men, yet males can so easily assume the role and personality of the woman. This is because males are mutations, and women remain still the base form of the human, the child. While men understand what it is like to be a child, and by extension, what it is to be female, females are usually genetically undeveloped, still in infancy, still child-like in both appearance and mind.
Women are not child-like in appearance or genetically undeveloped.
A woman might resent a man for his lightness and depth of calm though and then spit venom. Ever observe a woman around two guys having a good time and she doesn't feel like she's included even if she is? Why does she get so mad?
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Anfang
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Of course, the woman's first step is to apologize to her aggressor. Her first words are "I'm sorry."
Both sexes tend to talk that way today. It's signaling that I am less overtly aggressive than the other and thus higher on the victim status ladder, thus socially deserving to get what I want from the other person. I rarely interpret "I'm sorry but..." as an apology. An apology for what? For asking for what you want and then going ahead with it anyway?
"I'm sorry but..." - "Let me stop you right there, I wouldn't want you to have to feel sorry. I can't help myself but being polite."
Satyr Daemon
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Wo, wo, wo!! there thunderfoote, cut those skyhooks, and bring it all down to the real world. What's this "we", "they", "women", "men", "beauty", "feminists".... This didactic scholastic bullshit means nothing to us...me...I.
Tell us (oops another skyhook) how it affects I....mmmme.....uuuuuummmmm us. Is it good, or bad, for me? Tell me how to decide, now that God is dead. How do I apply this thunderfoote? The Bible no longer offers me guidance.
None of this abstract mumbo-jumbo.
and, how many times have you changed your mind thunderfoote? One? Two? Ten? When was the last time you changed your mind? Isn't it about time you did? And all those followers who religiously listen to you, are they part of your cult? Hmmm?
Sheeesh...
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Satyr Daemon
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Capitalism doesn't care what sex you are. It reduces people to a utility and profit.
Modernity reduces individuals to a number, an empty husk with no sex, race, no past, no nature, a tabula rasa written upon by the culture which, if true, would nurture productivity, work, and would not give a shit what organ you had between your legs or what colour you are, or who you fuck.
Modernity is about utility, usefulness to an ambiguous construct, the human, the social system, and capitalism is the perfect economic system for it.
The issue now is to brainwash the individuals who cannot help but perceive sex and race and sexual preference and react to it viscerally. nihilism is a part of a vast socio-economic eugenics program. It discredits world, objectivity, because it has to eliminate the past/nature, from the individual's psychology using training/education, shaming/peer pressure, institutional interventions, and nihilism itself, which exploits the normal insecurity in the majority to promote feel-good rejections of a world that lacks what the humanly desperately needs.
Women "are not the intellectual inferiors of men" HA!!! An objective truth?
Nature screams....
I ain't giving up my addiction to nature.
When we allow sheltering to go on for decades, and you promote stupidity and Nihilistic ideals, you get this....
Feminism...just another branch of victim culture, who do not challenge capitalism but only want to interfere upon it to tilt its rules, using government (institution - abstracted alpha-male), to seduce an advantage so as to compensate for personal, natural, genetic inferiorities. Whereas conservative capitalism pools (conserves - masculine order) wealth, ensuring the the offspring of the gifted will enjoy privileges, and status, they could never have earned on their own, liberalism uses the feminine methods of whining, playing innocent victim, trying to warm up to the institution (alpha-male) to get a leg-up on the other females (both biological males and females). Both reject nature and its processes; both try to intervene, each with its own agenda and its own tactics;Both use words to detach from world, simply by disconnecting the symbolic utility of the word and redefining it emotionally, or reconnecting it back to more words (abstractions - noumena) once they've dislodged it from its references to phenomena (appearances, sensuality) both are dancing the same dance - two poles in the same, exact, social paradigm: Nihilism (Modernity). With the discourse encompassed by the bipolar versions of the same ideology, the mind becomes trapped in its premises - unable to think anything outside of them. Now, THAT is mind-control, Orwellian style.
Then you have the endless debate over nonsensical concepts, some delivered in a form where words lose all coherence, and become mystical - like claiming value precedes the emergence of a conscious mind that judged/discriminates, in relation to an objective, governed by a need, or that "love" and "consciousness" precede the emergence of life, and the evolution of brains, or that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and can be anything at all, stripping the word of any meaning, except as a vague reference to a personal disposition, or a settling for, or a comforting delusion hiding resentment.
We live on the outskirts of a Dark Age, where not even the word "intelligence" has meaning, because there are, supposedly, "different kinds of genius" and yet we know that humans, on average, are more intelligent than chimpanzees, and we have no trouble feeling, if not understanding, why this is so.
With so much decadence and stupidity, why would not new Messiahs spring up in our Modern squares, offering words of salvation, and hope, claiming to be kings, and gods, and heroes?
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Satyr Daemon
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From the analysis of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and the trouble of "higher-end" females to find males on their level, we come to the male end of the same issue. Men, so fed-up with ditzy youth obsessed airheads and loud, obnoxious, demanding old bags, that they want something better. The average emasculated male, the man-child, is obsessed with the mother-figure: the woman who loves them, will take care of them, and also take over their lives, so they do not have to think. Then there's the more discriminating male who having experienced the common types of modern female want something different, but cannot put their finger on what this means, because they've never come across it.
The old whore-in-bed<>lady-on-the-street continues to be a male fantasy. A combination of high intellect and discriminating tastes, combined with a feminine desire to belong, to satisfy a male, to submit to him.
Thoreau, David wrote:
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.
The rule still holds true: the simpler you are, the more potential to be easily satisfied you are. The more complex you are, the less able to settle you are.
This is most true for females who, because of their sexual roles and evolved dispositions, cannot settle for anything beneath them, whereas males can make do, considering women as a means to an end, but still dreaming of the ideal mate. They write sonnets to that mate, lost in a sea of pedestrian commoners, hoping like a message in a bottle their words will wash-upon the shore she walks.
In my experience I've only once come across a woman like the one I've described.
For the superior female, forced to settle, her part will be hiding her mind so as to not intimidate the male, emasculating him to the point where he must react to prove he is still master. For the male, who realizes he is outmatched, the safest course is to make himself unavailable to such a female lest he suffer the torment of a mother/son relationship. If the male, on the other hand, has no conflict between his emasculation and his manhood, the pressure release will be a masochistic dominatrix-to-dominated relationship, with the roles reversed. The male will be the gentleman on the street and the stud in the bed - a master/slave relationship, or mistress and her pet.
The feminization of man forces females to desire this role. The most stable modern marriages are based on a version of this. With the male denied his natural advantages, he now competes with women in the arena where they have the upper hand. They both compete for the love of the alpha = institution.
The variants are follow Weininger's insight....
a- The female with the masculine mind and a masculine spirit - lesbian/transsexual. b- The female with the masculine mind and the feminine spirit - artist. c- The female with a feminine mind and a masculine spirit - tomboy. d- The female with a feminine mind and a feminine spirit - airhead.
On the male side the same...
e- The male with the masculine mind and a masculine spirit - macho. f- The male with the masculine mind and the feminine spirit - artist. g- The male with a feminine mind and a masculine spirit - follower/soldier. h- The male with a feminine mind and a feminine spirit - homosexual/transsexual.
The ideal combinations being...
a + h b + g c + f d + e
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Satyr Daemon
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He who controls women, either with coercion, seduction, or conviction, controls the destiny of man.
Genetic filtering systems they are. Their minds and body's ready for fertilization (genetically - memetically), function as genetic/memetic sieves, the grade of the meshing determined by the particular conditioning, and the severity of the desirable outcome. They not only select what kind of man will be propagated, as they do in nature, but with their role as mothers of boys and girls they set-up the same function for generations to come.
Easy to manipulate and dominate, because stability (protection of investment), being part of a majority (it takes a village, as a assurance of cooperation in their task), is part of their reproductive role - it is how they ensure their relevance and power...their utility. Once they are indoctrinated, dominated, they become staunch defenders of the status quo, until a new power emerges to offer new possibilities - her loyalties as deep and reliable as her understanding, she changes her mind often and easily, and only in reference to pragmatic circumstances. no romantic is she...it is why she lost respect for the romantic male who puts her on a pedestal she knows she does not belong upon.
Ideologies, theories leave her indifferent - concrete resource control, and exploitation, are how she cuts through projections, making her almost completely reliant on sensual data. Cynical to all else, particularly to what threatens her past choices and her already established investments (politics, children , social status, work, relationships etc.) Her lack of artistry, her absence of creativity, on the level of a male, is a product of this reproductive role.
A male must project beyond the given, challenge authority, think outside the status quo box, because he must make himself noticed, and find a way to replace the dominant male, but the female must only direct her "genius" in judging the internal social dynamics and ascending within it - she is a quintessential follower, practical, possessing common sense, and forever an "in-the-box" thinker - where the conceptual box is always a male creation. Even feminism is a male invention, and a by-product of masculine ideologies, and "sperm wars" - a branch of nihilism which is an ideology meant to limit human thinking and produce internal harmony - like a memetic narcosis, where the participants remain child-like playing with words that have no application because they are detached from reality and noetic artifices. how do you subdue masculine natural challenges to the established authority? You confuse them with words that haver no bearing, no application, no connecting to the world, like video game realities, and then you let them play harmlessly, impotently - see MRA.
This feminine nature is easily observed amongst the animals, particularly social mammals, where males are not excluded but integrated under an alpha-male's dominion.
In modern human environments, feminism and females have become idealized....first as sexual objects (means to an end: sanctified, romanticized, or as pleasure devices - hedonistic love-toys), and now presented as the ideal citizen, the healthy normal human. Females like being objectified sexually, because sex is their only source of power, and modern hedonistic attitudes reduce her costs to nil, and modern moral codes reduce her risks to almost nil - the rest is hypocrisy or reactionary resentment produced by unattractive females or lesbians who despise males and being female.
Once more they are seduced into becoming memetric filters and a means for mass mind-control, which they have no way of resisting, because they have no way of understanding it. The current degradation of family, of masculinity, are possible only her willing participation. Where females go, the beta male follows.
Women so often fail at being men, yet males can so easily assume the role and personality of the woman. This is because males are mutations, and women remain still the base form of the human, the child. While men understand what it is like to be a child, and by extension, what it is to be female, females are usually genetically undeveloped, still in infancy, still child-like in both appearance and mind.
Women are not child-like in appearance or genetically undeveloped.
A woman might resent a man for his lightness and depth of calm though and then spit venom. Ever observe a woman around two guys having a good time and she doesn't feel like she's included even if she is? Why does she get so mad?
Because women are sociopaths, and have the mind of children. Most of the time, you can judge how child-like a woman is by looking at how young she looks. If she has a masculine bone structure, she is probably more creative and technically gifted than other women.
If she looks like a bimbo she probably is a bimbo. About10 percents of the time you get women who dont match up with their voices or bodies. Word to the wise, never trust a human female, unlike like most mammalian females they are incredibly disloyal and apathetic of their mate's needs - sociopaths.
By genetically underdeveloped I mean the human female is not fit to combat in the wild. It is a cave species, fragile and unbuffered, wheras the male has a sharper mind and several buffs. There is a subspecies of male, neither alpha nor beta, that stays with the women in caves and protects them. I believe this supspecies is a two spirit, half woman half man. It functions as a teacher, so that the idiotic bimbo women don't get themselves killed. It is often feared and hated, because it fucks the men's mates while they are away.
Satyr Daemon
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Feminists - "Making a fuss about things noone gives a shit about" Feminists - "Whining about social norms yet, at the same time, perpetuating the social norms." Feminists - "Saying women are equal to men, then 2 minutes later saying women are better than men." Feminists - "Compensating for their lack of technical skill by bragging about their capacity to love. Two minutes later she'll make a post saying his mother should have aborted." Feminists - "Whine that men objectify women, then say that men who have small penises are a laughing stock and creepy" Feminsts - "Often say women are a minority group even though they make up 54 percent of the population." Feminists - "We're children in a chimpanzee body"
Slaughtz
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A brief anecdote: When I graduated with a mostly-mean-nothing A.A. degree, at the ceremony for graduation the speaker boasted how 60% of the graduates were women. All the women shrilled in cheer.
perpetualburn
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"There is no greater pillar of stability than a strong, free and educated woman,"..."And there is no more inspiring role model than a man who respects and cherishes women and champions their leadership." -Angelina Jolie
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Satyr Daemon
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Evidence of the common ground between MRA's and Feminism. The same victim culture producing two different types, one the reaction of the other.
Traditionalism is their common enemy...also called Paternalism One thinks of it as oppressive, keeping them down, exploiting them...the other considers it restricting, forcing them to accept responsibilities they do not want. both want to remain detached, infantile, which is called "freedom" - men claiming unaccountability, irresponsibility, as also their "right".
Traditionalism is the expression of natural behaviors within social structures. The connection between genes and memes. Both want out from this connection. See how nihilism produces multiplicity, and dualism, making it appear like the discourse is between opposites, when both are part of the same paradigm, expressing opposition within its noetic artificiality. Another example other than the obvious God/Satan, is the secular form of this past spiritual nihilism, and it is expressed in symbols, pure abstractions, and not metaphors. The secular version of the previous dualism of God/Satan, is 1/0.
Now Satan is denied existence, as the 0 is no longer acceptable by the modern version of Nihilism. All is One, all is God, order, reason... The Christians incorporated the 0 as Satan...the fallen one. Satan, the nil, is the one who is falling away. here the positive/negative remain metaphorical, mythological. Satan is still god's creation, going in the opposite direction, contradicting god. So, 0 is the same, if not simply a symbol accentuating the 1.
We can also think of this 1/0 contradiction, and unity, as a magnet. The same magnet, thing, with two opposite poles - positive spin, in harmony with human cellular spin, and negative spin, order in contradiction to the positive, the life-producing spin.
In Modern thinking chaos is denied, or simply reinterpreted as complexity. All is ordering, and so the negative is what contradicts the useful order...utility; all is potentially useful, or it is non-existent. No chaos, as in randomness which is what truly contradicts order. No, for the modern, the Nihilist, all is order, all is one, manifesting in opposition of ordering. The unknown is simply the yet to be known....and chaos is the order yet to be discovered....complexity is chaos.
Gods is retained as the symbol of the absolute order, the ONE. In secular terms the 1 is, the o is not, and so all is +1 or -1...but always 1.
now back to the MGTOW/MRA conflict with Feminism. Notice how both sides never deal with race...or what sex is. Both are victims of sex...ergo nature. The natural order, which is also represented by Traditionalism/Paternalism.
The world is divided into left/right, but part of the same paradigm...or men/women but pat of the same nihilism paradigm. Politics is reduced to this competition between forms of Nihilism - a dialogue pretending to be thinking, in conflict, challenging each other, while the world remains outside...rejected by both.
Women resent men for making them sex objects, as if men invented sex, and the female role. Men resent women for being forced to judge themselves through them; for having to take reprehensibility for the consequences of this relating; for being expendable...as if women forced men into this role, and it is not a natural one. Both want out...from the past, from nature, and to remain adolescent - taken care of by the state, protected, fed, given rights, appreciated adequately, able to identify who and what they are independent from anything outside this state of affairs...and so on.
Similar discourses between opposing Nihilistic views can be found in the God vs Science debates, or you can see it in inter debates trying to define the taken for granted absolute, as in secular humanism debating the nature of world or what its fabric is, or what human ideal shall guide human destiny, within this nihilistic paradigm: having "freed" themselves from the phenomenon, the world, they debate over what type of human man is going to invent himself as.
With feminism/MRA the struggle is to maintain the childish naivete to be whatever they can imagine...with no restriction other than the "right" of the other to do the same. A dialogue between what limits this subjectivity will accept as objectively binding. To express this organically, cells from different organs are debating at what point in space/time the skin will exclude the world from the internal (subjective) inter-relating...essentially giving the SuperOrganism its form. What form the SuperOrganism will take.
The agreed upon absolute, whether God or One, is the SuperOrganism...within which all is, indeed, ordered. Remember chaos, the world outside this SuperOrganism" does not exist. Everything is explainable, using the internal structure, referencing this common body/form. If we've understood things correctly this internal debate, is political only, meaning it is an inter-subjective conflict over which cellular arrangement will be appreciated the most, will dominate...and if psychology is determined by organ hierarchies, then this will decide the personality of the SuperOrganism, which in turn will determine how this SuperOrganism will relate to what is outside its premises, its skin, and therefore, how safe the cells Incorporated within it will be - how detached from the external world.
Discourse, philosophical scientific, or otherwise, is political, in that it must take into account the interests of the participants, including the opposition. The world does not matter, it is excluded, it does not exists, but given a mysterious mystical significance as chance, or fate, or monster (sociopath). Chaos is still dismissed and used as an accusation against other SuperOrganisms, who are blamed. the SuperOrganism, if it is Nihilistic, is itself a victim of otherness. See how the U.S. is the victim of aggression despite being a Superpower. Others envy it its '"freedoms".
The nihilistic internal structure becomes an externalized character, a psychology on a SuperOrganic form. Despite appearance, is contradiction to them, the US remains the "good" wronged victim of the "bad" enemies of freedom - the freedom to claim anything, identify with anything...freedom from appearances, from phenomena.
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Satyr Daemon
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All is subjective signifies that all was a reason, a motive, a choice...not a cause a reason, a rationale, a purpose an telos/end. World outside SuperOrganism is rejected, chaos is dismissed, all is a product of an internal motivation.
So when you dare say blacks and whites are not the same in potentials, the motivation is sought inside the one speaking...not outside all subjectivity. And an electron circles the nucleus because it chooses to, because it seeks to preserve the relationship...it has an internal motivation. It is not simply pattern relating, interacting, with another pattern in this way, flowing along the path-of-least-resistance, no...it has a goal, a motive, it is driven to behave in this way by a reason.
With the feminine nihilists the reason is outside, part of the SuperOrganism they belong to and want to belong to...for the masculine Nihilists it is a spontaneous drive to preserve self, even in inorganic patterns. Rocks, sand, elements, gems, clouds, have a motivation, a reason why they are a unity. They hold each other together. They self-preserve, as if "self" means something when not referring to self-organizing patterns which we call life. A life-force is inside all phenomena...a motivation to become alive. God as inside, underneath, as thing-in-itself.
Secualr Humanism internalized the Deity. Reduced it to a feeling, an emotion, a sensation..and why not pleasure as the savior, the liberator, the one who cleanses away all "sins" or all chaotic irrational phenomena? The believer need not have fate...he has feelings - he feels god, order, inside of him. He is ordering, and so all is ordering; he is pattern, therefore all has pattern. The redeemer brings noetic salvation to the masses - brings the Book full of words/numbers: symbols of Order.
Feminists and the MRA/MGTOW alike will gladly accept the tenets of traditionalism they deem beneficial to them, but they reject the prices for them. From my experience, this is made more apparent in the feminist camp though.
Feminists to be free women, independent of men... yet they also want men to finance them, in order words, they accept the part of traditionalism which benefits them, but reject the price for it (restriction of certain freedoms). Free, independent, and responsible, but if they act as drunken sluts, and pass out, and get raped in their sleep and video taped, they are victims, not of their own stupidity, but of circumstance, in fact, it is other males who are responsible for taking care of a random drunken woman, and should be blamed for not doing so.
It really does seem like they want to remain in a perpetually childlike state, but be treated as adults.
I sympathize with MRAs/MGTOWs more, because they have some legit complains about laws favoring women, also, because I used to be similar to them. I've been fed the romantic bullshit about women, that they are angels who wouldn't hurt a fly, blameless, innocent, and need to be protected at all costs. Of course, as I grew up I quickly became disillusioned with such an image of a woman, and this disillusionment resulted in hatred, because the real woman didn't live up to my naive, boyish, fantastic standards.
I assume MRAs/MGTOWs are still in this stage of development, they want to pretend women are, in essence, equal to men, basically, men with vaginas. Then they get infuriated when female actions prove them otherwise. They want women to be equally responsible, equally self-conscious, equally capable of reflecting on their own behavior, equally reasonable, so when they don't utilize their responsibility, self-consciousness, etc. the MRA/MGTOW invent these gullible rationalizations - it must be because of evil feminism, because they've been raised wrong, when it's simply what women are.
They reject the responsibilities and duties traditionalism imposes upon men, preferring their freedom, and wanting the female to share in the responsibility, but they want to preserve the dominant status of the alpha in the family. Then they wonder why they aren't respected by women, when they reduce themselves to the level of one.
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