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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyWed Sep 14, 2022 7:00 pm

Why does Martial Arts and MMA fighters lean to the conservative-right, politically and morally?

Because you can't talk your way out of a beating; errors of judgment have immediate and painful consequences.
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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyWed Sep 14, 2022 8:01 pm

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Morality requires no culture to evolve, it requires culture to be given a code, and from there to be amended.
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One more reason to love animals, especially those that have intelligence. Why? Compassion is more present, the larger and/or more complex the brain is.
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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyThu Sep 15, 2022 7:12 am

Yes....moral behaviour - the act - does not require a god.
Man simply encodes moral behaviour - translate it into words - symbols.
Creating the erroneous impression that man invented morality.
A mistake exacerbated by man adding codes of conduct to what evolved independently - trial/error, naturally selected.

The same can be said for emotions.
Like the display of 'love' in the vid, of a mother for her offspring.

A survival pattern converted to a behavioural rule, a social law.
Just as gender is man integrating reproductive specialization, i.e., sex, into his manmade institutionalized constructs.
Eventually simpletons forget and imagine that it was all invented by man from nothing and nowhere - or that a willful, agency, i.e., god, created it.
Simpletons want to forget the motive, the utility, of all that they depend upon, mystify it to preserve it or to purify it.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyThu Sep 22, 2022 6:23 am


Moral behaviour, e.g., altruism, compassion, tolerance, love, self-sarifice, evolved to facilitate cooperative survival and reproductive strategies; ethics are developed to facilitate increasingly complex and numerous social systems, in relation to a collective ideal.
If the collective ideal conflicts with the evolved behaviours we call them nihilistic.....
Morals are actions (genetic); ethics, and ethical codes are ideological extensions or addendums of the previous (memetic).
A-morality is the expression of nihilistic ethical negation of moral behaviours - an anti-moral ethos, just as their ideological rejection of biological identifiers and free-will are anti-natue, anti-philosophical philosophies/ideologies.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptySun Sep 25, 2022 7:29 pm


If morality is the collective will to power then amorality is its rejection.
A will toward individual power, or powerlessness.
But why would anyone will powerlessness?
An expression of a recognition of impotence surrendering to a faceless, lifeless, abstract collective; an escape from responsibility, and guilt, shame, embarrassment....


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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyFri Nov 18, 2022 5:23 pm

Those who declare themselves to be "a-moralsits" are retarded recovering Abrahamic who associate morality with a code, a Mosaic laws, written in words on a stone tablet by some kind of divine agency.
They imply that before Moses found ethics in the burning bush, people were indiscriminately killing each other, were cruel and brutal to one another, and that animals, all social animals, were also inspired by Mosaic laws.
As if morality was not an act, a behaviour, that was later encoded, by humans, into laws - just as man codifies natural laws as he understands natural patterns.

Mosaic laws are indeed ethical amendments that contradict human nature, but morality is an evolved behaviour that facilitates cooperative survival and reproductive strategies.
For example, the "love thy neighbour" bullshyte, was a universalization of a Jewish rule against harming a fellow Jew, while not holding this rule in regards to non-Jews.
But this rule is an innate rule found among all social organisms because ti prevents in-fighting and the weakening of the group relative to other groups and other species.
This they took and Christianized it to impose upon Europeans a unnatural rule forcing him to essentially castrate himself.
Love thy Neighbour, is in fact love thy fellow member of the same tribe, the same ethnicity, the same family.

Postmodern morons took this universal ethical law, and negated it, correctly finding to be entirely a human fabrication imposed upon populations to castrate them.
But "love thy neighbour" is not a universal law, ti is a tribal law, indicating, as I've said, group disapproval of what will weaken its cohesion and its survival and reproductive potentials.

In polyethnic, multiracial, modern systems 'love thy neighbour' should be replaced with 'treat your neighbour, though he be a stranger, as you would have him treat you' - the Golden Rule.
Not 'love' him at all.

This is why I've differentiated between evolved moral behaviours, facilitating survival, and ethical amendments which have ulterior political and socioeconomic motives.
Mosaic Commandments are ethical rules, i.e., manmade amendments of addendums of moral behaviours.

In regards to species that have evolved a cooperative survival and reproductive strategy morality amorality is impossible, and ti would indicate some kind of sociopathy, or genetic, mental, problem.
Without morality man, and no social species can survive, because morality is an action, a behaviour, before man made it into a moral rule, requiring no god. It evolved because it increased the probability of group survival through group cohesion - inter-gropu stability.
Evolution requires no god, no agency.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyFri Nov 18, 2022 5:32 pm

These recovering Abrahamic consider themselves 'amoral' because they've overcome the superstitious idiocy of Mosaic Laws, meant to use fear to impose a law no nitwit or midwit would dare break....yet they still do, because these Mosaic Commandments are manmade, not naturally evolved.

Another example is the commandment against adultery.
Another example of Jews appropriating a tribal rule that promoted monogamy, so as to integrate as many males and females as possible into a cohesive whole, and warped it into a superstition based anti-nature law.
Humans are not by nature monogamous, but male competitions would make tribal unities impossible to maintain and grow, so this was an unwritten rule, passed on as tradition, that made the appropriation of another mate a group rule punishable be expulsion, i.e., certain death. A rule developed in harsh climates where resources necessitated larger and stronger tribal unities.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyMon Nov 21, 2022 9:04 pm

The moral/ethical formula, simplified for simpletons:

1- An individual's actions, behaviours, choices, based on his/her judgements, evaluations, relative to his objectives, values.

2- A group's values and objectives.

3- #1 relative to #2 is morality (evolved over time) and ethics (amendments of morality).
A group's primary objective - as well as an individual's primary, primal objective - is its own survival, propagation, dependent on its cohesion and performance relative to other groups.

4- #3 relative to environment - where this performance and competition takes place - manifest positive/negative consequences.

5- Consequences determine the success of a group's primary objective - #3's success/failure.


Place any individual action, behaviour choice in #1
Place any group values, objectives in #2

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To the imbeciles:
Place any individual act, behaviours, choice in #1, then evaluate it relative to #2, and then, if you cannot observe it in practice, evaluate #2 in relation to #3.
Preferably, all this can be put into practice so that we are not dealing with theory but with actions with observable consequences.

Example:
Mary Land is either a slut - likes to party and have sex with random guys - or a moron, is too stupid, or naive to judge males, or too impulsive to control herself.
She, predictably, becomes pregnant due to her poor judgements, expressed through poor choices.

Is the group she belongs to willing to offer her a quick and easy correction for her idiocy or her whoring ways?
If so then she has no reason to change, or grow, or adapt, and she will continue being a slut or a moron; she has no reason to control her impulses.
Group values do not punish her because they place individual objectives above group objectives. They actually absorb the negative consequences of her poor judgments and choices.
Consequence?
If Mary Land does it, then Susy Que sees it and does it as well...and then Cum Lately wants to do it as well. It's an easy fix. It becomes the norm in this group, because the group protect all tis members form their own idiocy or impulsiveness.

What does this mean for the group, relative to the environment?
The group does not replace those that die, and so over time it begins to weaken and can no longer compete with other groups, nor can it retain its cohesion as the number of young decline and the number of elderly increase.
The group also suffers a decline in good judgments producing good choices - the group average IQ drops because there is no reason for any thinking, and no reason to control oneself.
The group degenerates.
In time the group is absorbed or destroyed by another group - one in which Mary Land, her lifestyle preferences, and her idiocy suffered the full severity of the consequences because the group refused to fund her and shelter her, forcing her to adapt or die.
Here the individual perishes or adapts, and not the group.

This is the basic function of morality.
Replace 'abortion' with any individual act, choice...like paedophilia, incest, murder, homosexuality, transsexuality, bestiality, etc.
Any human act, behaviour....any and every choice.
This is the basis of why morality evolves only among social species or species that adopt a cooperative survival and reproductive strategy - evolving self-control and tolerance relative to other of their own kind so as to increase their survival and reproductive potentials.

No god required.
God is necessary only as a method of enforcing ethical amendments that are not naturally ingrained, such as:
Rules against adultery, thieving, etc.
God is necessary to offer rewards/threats to midwits and dimwits or those that cannot be rationally swayed to put in the effort and supress their impulses. It's an added level of group control - along with shaming and law & order imposing group punishments on those that contradict group values, threatening group survival.
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From genes to memes - from morals to ethics.
The Jews were the first to invent these ethical codes we call 'Commandments.'
The first theocracy founded on amendments to evolved moral actions/behaviours - behaviours we witness among many species, not only humans.
Ethics, on the other hand, is entirely human since it necessitates language and abstract thinking, as well as self-awareness and the ability to project thinking across space/time.
Marriage, for instance - and according to Socrates - is a technology....
Without its invention sophisticated human systems would be impossible.
Marriage is a development from monogamy, evolved among Aryan peoples to integrate as many males into a cohesive group, increasing the participating individual's survival potentials, and their reproductive potentials, which are extensions of survival, since reproduction is a naturally evolved method of overcoming individual mortality.
Mariage is the institutionalization and codification of monogamy, imposing sexual limits on all individuals so as to make as many of them investors in the welfare of their own group.
A very important Paternalistic advancement that increased survival and reproductive potentials. Its negation - as in Americanism - means group collapse is imminent.
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Morality and its varied moral/ethical cultural, social, restrictions are evaluated relative to their success/failure - consequences - and the kind of individual they promote and evolve - compared to other cultural values and moral/ethical codes.
Evaluated relative to the environment - not the social environment of their own making, but the natural environment.
Would these cultural ideal citizens be able to survive outside the protective womb of the socioeconomic environment that produced them?
How can they compete, and how do they objectively compare with other cultural ideal citizens?

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptySun Jan 15, 2023 1:06 pm

Morality evolved to preserve cooperative social, or not, methods of survival and reproduction – heterosexuality being a cooperative method that does not, necessarily, depend on social tolerance and long-term tolerance.
Ethics evolved from this – human interventions. Both genetically based morality and memetically based ethics – extension of the previous – are methods of preserving the health and welfare of a group.
No universality, no god, required; no systemic imposition – except for ethics – required. Both develop through trial and error – naturally and/or socially selected due to their effectiveness; their positive/negative consequences.
‘God’ enters the picture only in Judaism, where ethics is codified and enforced by threat/reward system manipulating naturally evolved guilt/shame feelings; they weaponized shame/guilt, and this is evident in the stereotypically American neuroticism of an urban, New York, Jew, who needs psychotherapy to cope with the dissonance – and sexual dysfunctions, degeneracy – his own nihilistic, dogmatic, superstitious ideals produce.

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One of the biggest lies infecting western man is that morality was given to man by god, or that the Jews invented morality, implying that there was no morality before the Jews or their god, or that there is none outside humanity.
The Jews were the first to encode addendum to moral behaviours, using the fabrication of god as an all-seeing judge none of their followers could escape - using conscience to impose guilt/shame as a tool for mass mind control.
They did not invent morality, nor moral behaviour, since this is an evolutionary necessity for all cooperative survival and reproductive strategies to remain effective.

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Morality has to do with what benefits the group...and this evolves, just as mutations that offer an advantage are established because they manage to propagate, whereas those that offer no advantage ro a disadvantage are filtered out of the gene pool.
Ethics, addendum, like the ones I mention, are how an elite segment of a group judge to be advantageous, imposing it no the collective through the fear of god, ro spirits, or some other entity, based on their conception of an ideal member of their group, and survive if they actually do offer an advantage.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 7 EmptyToday at 4:52 am

Ethics is also imposed against captured slaves, groups within groups.

"Rules for thee, Not for me."

The political establishment protects the wealthy upper-class. The upper-class see themselves as the "true and only" group. Thus their imposition upon the lower classes, is disadvantageous to the lower classes, like imposing 20lb, 50lb, 100lb weights onto the general populace. Most will not survive this imposition; most will not reproduce. But those that do may gain a strength that the upper-class loses over time. Because once the restrictions are shaken loose and removed, as they are during tumultuous and austere times, then revolutions occur.

Ethnos, on the other hand, implies a genetic morality. And that there is a loyalty beyond class, therefore beyond Ethics. This appears when the upper-class favor their own kind, or kindred spirits, even among the middle and lower classes. This is Favoritism and Nepotism, recognition of tribal loyalty that transcends class / wealth / political power differentials.

This type of ethnic tribalism is paramount to the project of Americanization / Globalization. The Washington DC Anglo establishment put enormous money and power into eliminating competition, from the onset of the New World British colonies and since the 17th Century.

"Only our Tribalism will be tolerated, none else."

The Globalists infiltrate these tribal loyalties by intermarrying into them, and corrupting them from the inside-out.
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