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The roots of morality cannot be found in texts and narratives.
We see it in dogs who put their life on the line to protect a human family's child - identifying with organisms they have no shared species nor familial identity.

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Moral degeneration is the final stage of empire and civilizational decline.
It represents the loss of a collective's ability to impose limits to individual actions/choices. It usually follows a period of wealth and unprecedented prosperity, cultivating a sense of indestructibility among the masses of mediocrity.
Masses of mediocrity brimming with repressed resentment and inferiority complexes desiring reattribution – what they call ‘socioeconomic justice.’
Social fragmentation promotes individuation over the interests of the majority.
Amorality is how this loss of control is expressed in a population desiring to break free from majority control.
At the same time these masses of mediocrity expect and demand that all negative consequences be absorbed and equally disseminated among the entire population, for "humanitarian" moral reasons – human rights which, if not ‘god-given’ are declared to be innate.
In fact there are no human, nor any species, ‘rights’ in nature. Rights are 'god-given' if we properly define ‘god’ as the idealization of man, or the abstractions of a collective – as it is in Judaism where god is an abstraction of collective Jewry, or in Christianity where ‘god’ is an abstraction of humanity:
God=humanity; humanity=god. A slight modification which distinguishes Christianity as Judaized Hellenism, eliminating Jewish elitism by making Abraham's one-god a representation of a species that can use logos – and so has a soul worthy of salvation.
When we speak of ‘god-given’ we unintentionally mean ‘group-given,’ or collectively supported individual options, i.e., choices. But when these choices are liberated from the interests of the collective – in the form of moral rules of conduct – then these 'rights' – unrestricted by ethical rules – become a form of mass suicide.
Individuals uninterested in the survival of the group indulge in behaviours that erode its cohesion and competitiveness, whilst demanding that they also be protected from the negative consequences of their own judgements and choices, by demanding – on moral grounds – that the group absorb them. So, the minority declares its right – given to them by a majority – to think and act in contradiction to majority interests, i.e., its welfare, and then also expects and demands that this same majority, it contradicts and challenges, absorb the negative consequences of its actions – entitlement.

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This is morality at its basic, primal, level.

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Shamelessness is evident.
There was a time when the poor - suffering worse conditions than the ones suffered by America's current poor - could not have imagined behaving in these ways, i.e., thieving, assaulting, raping in plain view.
Why?
They shared a moral standard with the group they belonged to; they shared racial, ethnic, cultural values; they shared moral/ethical values.
This is no longer the case in Americanism, as it has been shaped by Hollywood and Media, in the past century, by a specific group that resists assimilation and does not identify with the peoples it exploits and manipulates, and so it undermines all forms of resistance to its influence.
We see the effects of this century-old influence.

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If all is determined, then why is law & order, or culture, or morality necessary?
If it is all unnecessary then on what grounds should I, or anyone, intervene and carry the load for another's bad judgements and choices?

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No morality, no shame, no fear....no respect for anything.
Degeneracy.....narcissism, cynicism, alienation....Americanism.

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Plutarch wrote:
The immoral life is identical with the unhappy life.
If we properly define morality - connecting it to actions rather than theories, referring to abstractions in the mind - we rediscover a connection to society and shared collective identifications based on biology rather than ideology. A man’s life is tied with the welfare of a group, and so for the ancients to be ostracized was the worst kind of punishment; worse than death itself.

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No morals, no shame, no fear, no respect....no system.
A-morality, like anarchism is parasitical.
It survives as long as there's a system there to absorb the costs which it increases.

Just as anarchy cannot survive in a world where there is at least one authoritarian system, so too amorality cannot survive in a world where there is at least one moral system.
All forms of nihilism cannot survive in a world they attempt to negate unless they intentionally or unintentionally fail to abide by their own principles.

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Amorality, shamelessness - no fear no respect - societal collapse.
When they get away with it and are even applauded, then all become emboldened....soon the streets are cesspools of degeneracy.

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They have no argument, these crypto-Abrahamic, neo-Marxists, no reasoning at all. What they have is ‘compassion’ – they negate all biological identifiers except one: species, because homo sapient is the basis of their compassion – even the hypocrites that deny morality any objective value imply that compassion should prevail between members of the same species.
Male/Female, race, ethnicity, all stand in the way of this humanism – this universalized speciation. God = Humanity; Humanity = God.
God was always, among Abrahamics, a representation – an abstraction and idealization – of humanity. [ MANifesto: Religion – Abrahamic]
Jews created an entire moral hierarchy – with them on the top – using humanity as a representation of the divine and them as the priestly mediators, conveniently positioned to interpret god’s will to the flock of sheeple that still fall for this crap.
Christianity made it more cosmopolitan, all-inclusive, and Islam weaponized it, adopting the Judaic method and made it overt, rather than covert.
Compassion was their weapon, stripped of its objectivity: compassion only understood as sympathy/antipathy; compassion was supposed to make the superior concede to the needs of the inferior. No biological identifiers, other than species, were to produce the desired outcome. Compassion was supposed to compensate for all rational arguments and overcome all rational resistance.
Yet, compassion necessitates morality, void of all divisive, dissimilatory factors – compassion stripped of all natural foundations; compassion abstracted to agree with an idealized humanity. Man cleansed of all his earthly ‘evil ancestry’ – man reborn as purified idea.
Christians used baptismal rituals; Jewish circumcision representing this purified rebirth as the divinely chosen and affirmed ideal – for Christian’s it was the ideal human, saved from his ‘evil’ past; for the Jews the ideal Jew, shepherd of humanity, chosen by Abraham’s god, to be his earthly representatives.
How could Marxism ignore the effectiveness of this approach? They took it and improved it, eliminating the last divisive factor, i.e., the concept of god itself.

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Where there is no morality there is no shame.

Religion was used to impose universal morality on dimwits and midwits, or on degenerates who would not discipline themselves to the interests of a majority, or group welfare.
This became crucial when societies grew in size and began to become multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural = lacking a shared identity and shared, biologically founded, interests.
God - contradicting nature - was an essential part of this abstraction and universalization of morality. Fabricating an all-encompassing, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent one-god, necessary for the imposition of such universal ethics - morality liberated from biological impulses, from biology itself, because herein lies what is most divisive in man.

So, dimwits & midwits, grasping upon Nietzsche's proclamation of god's demise - always referring to the totalitarian god of Abraham - heard the news and were overjoyed.
They could now liberate themselves from an imposing group will - no longer tied to god's will - and so these self-declared amoralists tend to be anarchists, as well, denying all earthly authority; some degenerates going as far as to deny nature's authority altogether or selectively, where and when it conflicts with their personal desires and needs to liberate themselves from all biological restrictions, and reinvent themselves.
Leaving behind a shameful past, they could feel proud of their new identity.
Shame, itself, was associated with how Abrahamism weaponized it, and was abandoned as a remnant of man's primitive past.
They became liberated from ethics, morality, and the shame associated with contradicting them.
Proudly shameless (celebrated pride month) is a metaphorical unshackling of degenerates from all earthly authorities - all judgements, opinions, standards, ideals, imposing limits on their choices - including standards that protected group welfare, and majority interests. Americanism celebrates the will of the minorities imposing themselves - flaunting themselves - on the welfare of the majority.

Others - those that became enamoured with State totalitarianism, presented to them as an idealized 'will of the people,' or 'the masses' - could not so far as to take full responsibility for their action, Instead, substituting god with institutions and/or with an idealized abstraction of species - humanity = Homo sapient. Preferring all-inbcusive, non-discriminating totalitarianism - authoritarianism abstracted outside existence, associated with nature as absolute order, where god's laws become natural laws. Submission is no longer shameful if it is sufficiently abstracted, and inclusive enough to not challenge their ego - so all earthly authorities are denied and an abstracted will, authority, is submitted to wholeheartedly - as one would to an absent, idealized parent, imagined to be perfect.
Evidence is found in their contradictory stance on free-will: most maintaining an evil agency to accuse and blame while claiming that nobody can do other than what was determined. Showing a naive inclination to believe the future is always good, correcting the 'evils' of the past, exposing how unable and unwilling they are to abandon Abraham's one-god, preferring to rename the same concepts - secularize spiritual nihilism.
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There is no advancement, no progress here....there is only a reinvention of the same, self-deceit trying to overcome self-doubts by selling itself as a transcendence, growth, out of the old- - the evil, despicable, past.

Universal compassion is crucial in this re-bonding process.
Compassion void of all forms of discriminatory divisive categories, pertaining to man - compassion reduced to the emotional dichotomy of sympathy/antipathy, imploded into the singularity of sympathy as the only 'rational' choice between the two.
Pascal's Wager reaffirmed and reapplied.
Objective empathy is dismissed as the incomprehensible thing-in-itself, condemning man to the comforting imprisonment in man's subjectivity- expanded as a collectivized inter-subjectivity.
Institutionalization with no hope of escape....and no desire to. Institutionalization envisioned as a collective embrace by humanity - divinity. Who needs a divisive abstraction, like Abraham's one-wod, when a more tangible abstraction, humanity, can bring paradise down to earth, projecting it in the eternally imminent future?
Progress become a pilgrimage, seeking the divinity's unity, in some falling away utopian future that never seems to arrive.  
Objective reality dismissed as the forever unknowable, gradually becoming a myth, and then the non-existent.

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Morality, and ethics, like language is essential to the emergence and development of culture; culture is the foundation of civilizations.
No civilization is possible without a moral and ethical standard. Civilizational decline is characterized – one of the many symptoms of its decline – by the questioning and active challenging of its own foundational ethical standards.
This is clear in America's currently progressing decline, as it was when Rome collapsed. Degeneracy – especially of the sexual kind – is one of the first signs that a civilization, and the culture it is based on, has entered its end-phase.

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Nietzsche wrote:
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
And moderns took this to mean that morality is also nullified, because in their indoctrinated minds there was no morality before the jew-god arrived.
Notice a detail?
He didn't say 'the gods are dead' but used the singular....the one-god.
The implications for the brainwashed masses, after over two-thousand years of social engineering - was that ethics were over - Mosaic ethics - because there were no ethics before Moses - no ethics chiseled in stone.

Yet, without ethics, and language, cultures and civilizations are impossible.
Without the moral impulse cooperative unities are impossible, in nature.
Altruism; compassion; tolerance; shared identity, making self-sacrifice possible; common objectives; common practices - shared ways of doing things, i.e., traditions; reciprocity - golden rule; love as a bonding mechanism; shame, as the sensation of being discovered contradicting group interests; sexual limits imposed upon all group members - we see this clearly in all social species.....are all essential to group dynamics.

Who was murdered?
Gods or the god?
Why were the masses judged to be unready by Zarathustra? Why did he say he had come 'too soon', before returning to the cave up on the mountainside?

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When a society loses its morality, and ethical stadards....the shameless can be proud of their degeneracy.

With no morality, where do these freaks base their "human rights"?


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When a society loses its morality, and ethical stadards....the shameless can be proud of their degeneracy.
How can there be shame when morality is rejected?

With no morality, where do these freaks base their "human rights"?

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Why were the masses judged to be unready by Zarathustra? Why did he say he had come 'too soon', before returning to the cave up on the mountainside?

The damage had been done by the time he returned. Zarathustra is a cautionary tale: the tragic disillusionment of oneself. The old hermit in the mountain he meets before he enters the town square is a bad omen. He dwells alone with the blind power of the pagan gods of nature, yet still suffers from his submission to the monotheistic god. However, despite being simple, he still has enough foresight to warn Zarathustra, knowing and understanding the nature of the decadent man, because he is one himself. Zarathustra chooses to ignore this 'harbinger of ill fate' so to speak, and he pays the cost for it by soiling his ideals in the simplicity and intellectual vulgarity of the common mind, and undermining the illusions and delusions they depend on; and because they possess no wise temperaments, this was bound to infect them down to every part of their existence. 'Manimals' have no control over themselves. You give them a tasty bone, and they will chew obsessively until they break their teeth and bleed, all the while laughing in madness, destroying themselves. A rude awakening and the price for being a chaos sower.


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If there is no morality, then how are Nazis evil monsters?
If there is no ethical standard, then why are is capitalisms exploitation wrong?
With no shared morality why should I pay for a promiscuous woman's abortions?

How is civilization possible with no ethics?
How is any group, by any species, possible without morality?

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How can any system survive the loss of its ethical foundations?

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When the brits sold themselves to America - to survive WWII - their fate was signed and sealed.
As long as the USSR existed, the US gave them some national leeway, to keep them disciplined.....but when the wall fell, it was over.
American power was unchallenged...well, until Russia and China.
The turning point was when Yeltsin, in a last act of unexpected lucidity - passed-on power to Putin and Putin jailed, assassinated, or drove away those circumcised Oligarchs that were taking over Russian natural and human resources, on behalf of America's Globalization.

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The core moral concepts of altruism, reciprocity, golden rule, compassion, tolerance, were not invented when man wrote them down or first articulated them. These are essential for any group dynamic to remain viable, and we find them active across many social species.
Ethics, on the other hand, were essential only for the development of larger more complex human unities, and so they acted as amendments restricting sexual impulses, or violence towards strangers, in systems where most are strangers we may never meet in our lifetime.
Ethics expanded morality to include what was beyond natural utility, and so it required a god to impose a threat/promise, or to instill a conscience that made individuals self-disciplining agencies to collectives that alienate individuals - attempting to nullify individual identity, based on blood ties and shared traditions, to reinvent identity as an abstraction, vague and positive enough to help the multitudes find common ground.

The objective remained the same.
Morality evolved to discipline individuals to group welfare, and ethics to impose collective ideals upon a multifarious collection of individuals so as to organize and discipline them to its interests.
God was replaced by institutions but remains a more effective tool of regulating individual impulses, yet it still remains a divisive concept that had to be reduced to a faceless idea - rather than an icon, idol with an image - and depicting it was criminalized, as blasphemous.
God = Institutions, representing Morals + Ethics, are the dual concepts enforcing a code of conduct upon all who participate within a group.
When either of these is loses its power, individuals are released from collective interests, reverting to primal identifiers and moral standards.

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Hedonism - shame/morality = degeneracy

No civilization can be built or supported by this.
This is its end phase, when repressed desires reach a crescendo...as it all comes tumbling down.

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Why are some actions immoral?
Because of the long-term effects.

Why is incest and paedophilia immoral?
God?
No.
Some power groups declared them to be immoral?
No.

Nature precedes humans and their systems, so the source must be sought in natural order, affecting all species, all life, not only humans.
We must keep in mind that in nature mutations are filtered out with more disruptive costly processes.
A fact men try to correct knowing the inevitable consequences, which lower species can never understand.

Man encoded moral behaviours that proved to be advantageous to group welfare, and intervened upon the emergence of mutations, attempting to reduce their costly impact before they were filtered out through natural processes.
Actions, choices, were encoded and established as immoral because without them a group would collapse.
In other social species the same behaviours remain innate - genetically encoded - and not encoded memetically, linguistically.

For example, homosexual and transexual normalizations - multiplying daily with the addition of more sexual deviances - is now producing perceptible effects, which will increase as time goes-on until the system that allowed them to flourish - promoting them as the new norm - implodes and seeks for the reasons of its implosion in external factors.
The example of abortion is indicative of what I am saying.
Normalizing abortion - without teaching sexual control and discrimination, and virtue - may not produce immediate measurable effects, but in the long-term it begins to produce demographic issues which cannot be identified, because the causes are multiple and because the practitioners can never doubt their convictions until it is too late.
If we couple abortion and sexual deviance, the demographic impact is imense....reducing a group's ability to replenish its most important resource - human.
Importing human resources falls upon another delusion concerning the replaceability of populations, or that race is a social construct, with no real-world effects.

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Analytic philosophy is a branch and tradition of philosophy using analysis, popular in the Western world and particularly the Anglosphere, which began around the turn of the 20th century in the contemporary era in the United Kingdom, United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Scandinavia, and continues today. Analytic philosophy is often contrasted with continental philosophy, coined as a catch-all term for other methods, prominent in Europe.

Central figures in this historical development of analytic philosophy are Gottlob Frege, Bertrand Russell, G. E. Moore, and Ludwig Wittgenstein. Other important figures in its history include the logical positivists (particularly Rudolf Carnap), W. V. O. Quine, and Karl Popper. After the decline of logical positivism, Saul Kripke, David Lewis, and others led a revival in metaphysics. Elizabeth Anscombe, Peter Geach, Anthony Kenny, and others developed an analytic approach to Thomism.

Analytic philosophy is characterized by an emphasis on language, known as the linguistic turn, and for its clarity and rigor in arguments, making use of formal logic and mathematics, and, to a lesser degree, the natural sciences. It also takes things piecemeal, in "an attempt to focus philosophical reflection on smaller problems that lead to answers to bigger questions".

Analytic philosophy is often understood in contrast to other philosophical traditions, most notably continental philosophies such as existentialism, phenomenology, and Hegelianism. The analytic tradition has been critiqued for ahistoricism.

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The possibility, nay the high probability that morality could have evolved because it offered some kind of advantage, is so disturbing to Abrahamics and those still recovering from this comforting mental virus, that they refuse to appreciate it rationally.
The probability that morality could have evolved - via natural selection - to facilitate cooperative reproductive and survival strategies, will be dismissed by these infected minds, because for them the maintenance of obscurantism and mysticism is central to their coping methods.
Their good vs evil binaries must be replaced by an equivalent mathematical abstraction, representing the same emotional biases but concealed in pseudointellectual abstractions.

They can rationalize and psychoanalyze the roots of hatred, but they refuse to apply the same reasoning to love.


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Many of those who deny morality seek absolution for something they’ve done, or intend to do.
From what I know of human nature such people don’t feel ashamed for what they’ve done to another but what they’ve done to themselves. The other is simply the one who holds them accountable, continuously reminding them, denying them the relief of forgetting their past choices, based on bad judgments calls, resulting in terrible, for them, consequences.
Left to their own devices they would easily fail to recall, or twist events in such a way as to release them from most, if not all, responsibility, but the other will not allow them to forget nor to spin their way out of their guilt, relative to a shared standard of conduct. It is this shared standard they now nullify hoping to accomplish their objective.
Without a shared standard of conduct – evolved to ensure the common welfare – they imagine they can reduce the consequences to nonsense.
Would it surprise us if such people also deny free-will? Would it not, in fact, complete the picture?

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Beyond Good & Evil
There is no such thing as good or evil, or to secularize it, there is no absolute good and no absolute bad.
Morality requires no god, no absolute.
All it requires is to be naturally selected, as offering an advantage or a disadvantage, within the context of a species adopting cooperative survival and reproductive strategies.
One species, man, had the mind and the will to encode these advantageous and disadvantageous behaviours, relative to cooperative strategies, and then had the guile to make amendments, when these cooperative strategies became so successful that they enlarged the numbers of those who were expected to cooperate effectively.

Behaviours that disrupted cooperation, or contradicted group cohesion and vitality, were continuously filtered out of gene pools, persistently reemerging through random mutations, others were criminalized and ethically condemned, so as to dissuade them from disrupting larger cooperative social unities.
In both cases the preservation of the cooperative unity, the group, the tribe, pack, herd, was the determining factor.
Individual behaviours had to be restricted, otherwise cooperative strategies would never have developed.
Man's interventions, adding to and adjusting these naturally emerging 'moral rules,' were also essential for the emergence of complex social systems, and civilizations.
God was used as a method of disciplining individual to these rules of conduct.

Without god, law & order institutions are not enough to maintain discipline, especially in heterogenous social systems.
Such social systems eventually collapse, either due to internal frictions or due to external pressures, as they can no longer compete with other systems.
In the wild the absence of moral behaviours, enforced by a dominant male, eventually leads to the demise of the entire herd, pack, troop, etc.
Even a slight sexual dysfunction is enough to reduce a group's competitiveness.

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Morality evolved to dissuade actions that reduced group competitiveness.

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Jones, E. Michael wrote:
This same form of blackmail extends to the public at large. Demos, as usual, never really understood the full political ramifications of the sexual issues involved in I’afaire Lewinsky. He was persuaded to think that in condoning the illicit sexual behavior of the president, he was allowing himself the same sort of freedom from moral constraint, when in fact the exact opposite was the case. President Clinton could act like poor white trash because he was part of the ruling class and one of the illusions they loved to create is that they are just like the rest of us. This, of course, is not true. They are not like the rest of us because they are rich and/or powerful, and so when they urge Demos to break the moral law in the interest of some specious liberation they are really bringing about his enslavement.
Why? Because the moral law is the only thing that protects the poor.
Because Demos is neither rich nor powerful. The only protection he has against the predations of the rich and the powerful is the law, which is to say the moral law and positive based on it. If he liberates himself from the moral law, he creates a society in which desire is the only measure of right and wrong. But a world like this, no matter what Demos thinks, is not democratic because in the absence of moral order, the desires of the rich and powerful will always triumph over the desires of the weak and the poor. The lesson of Roe v. Wade is quite simple: The desires of the powerful are more important than the life of the weak. The same applies to the political world at large. A world liberated from morals is a world in which the rich get to do whatever they want.
So Demos got it wrong because he failed to understand that a world without morals is a radically two-tiered universe, power and wealth being the main distinction between these two groups. Demos is seduced into supporting sexual liberation with the promise that he can now do whatever he wants. This is followed by a momentary sense of intoxication, which is followed by a period of acting out his fantasies, which is followed by another more sobering thought: If I can do anything I want to them, Demos suddenly realizes, then they can do anything they want to me. In that thought, we begin to understand why horror is always the natural consequence of sexual liberation.
The general anarchy which sexual liberation brings about is a function of power. In the absence of morals, the rich will get away with murder because their desires are more powerful, and power in this context becomes the only measure of right and wrong. Either might makes right, or we are all bound by the terms of a moral order which is not of our making. There is no third alternative. If Demos abandons the moral order, he is ipso facto guaranteeing his subjugation because Demos is ipso facto neither rich nor powerful, simply by the fact that he is Demos. This is how sexual liberation functions as a form of political control, a principle which was demonstrated in graphic detail during the second Clinton Administration.
Demos, after watching television all these years, thinks that he belongs to the same class as the people who rule over him. He thinks he has the same prerogatives. But that is not the case. A world in which the ruler is rewarded for lying is a world in which his subjects can be punished for telling the truth. This is the lesson which Linda Tripp had to learn the hard way. The only protection the poor will ever have on this earth is the moral law, enculturated as part of the positive law. The only way a nation can guarantee rights is in light of that moral order, and any nation which subverts that moral order can only propose force, which is the rule of the rich and the powerful, as its substitute. In Troilus and Cressida, Agamemnon talks about a world without “degree,” which is to say a world without order - moral, political or musical.
[Libido Dominandi – Sexual Liberation & Political Control]

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