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perpetualburn wrote:

Arditezza wrote:

I think Jakob is actually dangerous.

He's one of those who will prey on people who aren't as smart and manipulate them in a way that is only good for himself and not for the ones who interact with him.  He sucks their energy and loves for them to look up to him in a really unhealthy way.

What do you consider a good dangerous then?

I don't consider danger to be good at all. But I am not one of those girls who needs to ride the edge between life and death to see what attention I can draw to myself. I would never purposely draw myself to danger, because I am responsible in my life to my children, my husband and all of those who I have made promises to. I do everything within my power to keep out of danger so that I do not damage their trust in me as a steady head and a kind heart. It is my job as a woman to be a good example of a good life lived to others who may have had the misfortune of not being guided on the right path. My grandmother did this for me with all her grace and patience, and I will pay it forward.

There was a time that I would toy with the idea of running a dangerous game, but that was before I had responsibilities and before I had grown up. My thrills now come from watching others thrive and discover, to grow and to be beautiful in whatever garden they choose to grow.

Lyssa wrote:

When someone here told me FC was a bi, you know I said it was prob. a fiction he was writing and not real.
When 'Mannequin' in the past came here saying the only future option is homosexuality or call it homo-agape, because of the lack of decent females… the condition of the world was going to hell, I remember telling him here, an artist uses whatever material and tries to mould it the best he can.
Of course the whole complication of divorce laws are making this difficult.

The second best thing is to adopt a child and make him/her a good individual and keep the values upright, even if the future is going downhill.

Even at your lowest point, if you are a flame, you are always going to burn upright.

Is "upright" being "straight" here? I actually think most "masculine" men resist all attempts at objectification by others, like a self-rolling wheel, because they have so much pride.

The new "straight pride" is still effeminate, relatively.

Arditezza wrote:

perpetualburn wrote:

Arditezza wrote:

I think Jakob is actually dangerous.

He's one of those who will prey on people who aren't as smart and manipulate them in a way that is only good for himself and not for the ones who interact with him.  He sucks their energy and loves for them to look up to him in a really unhealthy way.

What do you consider a good dangerous then?

I don't consider danger to be good at all. But I am not one of those girls who needs to ride the edge between life and death to see what attention I can draw to myself. I would never purposely draw myself to danger, because I am responsible in my life to my children, my husband and all of those who I have made promises to.  I do everything within my power to keep out of danger so that I do not damage their trust in me as a steady head and a kind heart. It is my job as a woman to be a good example of a good life lived to others who may have had the misfortune of not being guided on the right path.  My grandmother did this for me with all her grace and patience, and I will pay it forward.

There was a time that I would toy with the idea of running a dangerous game, but that was before I had responsibilities and before I had grown up. My thrills now come from watching others thrive and discover, to grow and to be beautiful in whatever garden they choose to grow.  

And what if they thrive in danger?

perpetualburn wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

When someone here told me FC was a bi, you know I said it was prob. a fiction he was writing and not real.
When 'Mannequin' in the past came here saying the only future option is homosexuality or call it homo-agape, because of the lack of decent females… the condition of the world was going to hell, I remember telling him here, an artist uses whatever material and tries to mould it the best he can.
Of course the whole complication of divorce laws are making this difficult.

The second best thing is to adopt a child and make him/her a good individual and keep the values upright, even if the future is going downhill.

Even at your lowest point, if you are a flame, you are always going to burn upright.

Is "upright" being "straight" here?

No, in the common usage. I didn't think of it as a metaphor when I wrote it.

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I actually think most "masculine" men resist all attempts at objectification by others, like a self-rolling wheel, because they have so much pride.

I think masculine men as mentioned in the Han thread are the most transparent and crystal clear and wouldn't consider it an objectification to be called a spade if they are a spade. Otherwise by your argument, nevermind men, "anyone" who resists objectification could be said to do so from pride, and that would include half the escapists, feminists and degenerates.

Regarding "losing control" and descending downwards into the animal world… I have always taken the animal to be intelligent or hypersensitive when I have said dionysian.

Someone who speaks for "consistency" consistently, if he's going to pull in the greeks for justification, then pls. be consistent and also endorse slavery and a host of other things the greeks did. Choosing only what's good and convenient and ignoring the rest is plain animal hedonism.

When you are at a low spot in your life and under the influence of drugs and whatever, decentrings happen, but then you attempt to justify it and call it affirming yourself - is not the right way, and further to denigrate some other greek, while he calls for a "suspension of judgement" only when it comes to himself, and preaching this to others: "suspend and what is mysterious will become clear", etc. is just hypocrisy.

Why doesn't he practise this on Satyr?

Ideals apart, if he knew the real Satyr objectively, I know he would find no truer friend, or at the least a truer individual.

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The new "straight pride" is still effeminate, relatively.

Yes, as long as they are continuing to define their manhood through their sexuality Alone.

Lyssa wrote:

perpetualburn wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

When someone here told me FC was a bi, you know I said it was prob. a fiction he was writing and not real.
When 'Mannequin' in the past came here saying the only future option is homosexuality or call it homo-agape, because of the lack of decent females… the condition of the world was going to hell, I remember telling him here, an artist uses whatever material and tries to mould it the best he can.
Of course the whole complication of divorce laws are making this difficult.

The second best thing is to adopt a child and make him/her a good individual and keep the values upright, even if the future is going downhill.

Even at your lowest point, if you are a flame, you are always going to burn upright.

Is "upright" being "straight" here?

No, in the common usage. I didn't think of it as a metaphor when I wrote it.

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I actually think most "masculine" men resist all attempts at objectification by others, like a self-rolling wheel, because they have so much pride.

I think masculine men as mentioned in the Han thread are the most transparent and crystal clear and wouldn't consider it an objectification to be called a spade if they are a spade. Otherwise by your argument, nevermind men, "anyone" who resists objectification could be said to do so from pride, and that would include half the escapists, feminists and degenerates.

Couldn't be said to do so from pride unless you completely changed what pride means.  A man's "orientation" would be made "crystal clear" by his preferences and tastes which are result of his pride.  If straight pride means chicken wings and Sunday afternoon football and either a petrified or rosy eyed view of women then who wants to be associated with that.  And if gay pride means only taking joy when no ones feeling get hurt and everything remains harmlessly flirtatious, and shameless indulgence in pleasure then it has nothing to do with either joy or pride.  

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Regarding "losing control" and descending downwards into the animal world… I have always taken the animal to be intelligent or hypersensitive when I have said dionysian.

Someone who speaks for "consistency" consistently, if he's going to pull in the greeks for justification, then pls. be consistent and also endorse slavery and a host of other things the greeks did. Choosing only what's good and convenient and ignoring the rest is plain animal hedonism.

Does VO not include slavery?

perpetualburn wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

perpetualburn wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

When someone here told me FC was a bi, you know I said it was prob. a fiction he was writing and not real.
When 'Mannequin' in the past came here saying the only future option is homosexuality or call it homo-agape, because of the lack of decent females… the condition of the world was going to hell, I remember telling him here, an artist uses whatever material and tries to mould it the best he can.
Of course the whole complication of divorce laws are making this difficult.

The second best thing is to adopt a child and make him/her a good individual and keep the values upright, even if the future is going downhill.

Even at your lowest point, if you are a flame, you are always going to burn upright.

Is "upright" being "straight" here?

No, in the common usage. I didn't think of it as a metaphor when I wrote it.

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I actually think most "masculine" men resist all attempts at objectification by others, like a self-rolling wheel, because they have so much pride.

I think masculine men as mentioned in the Han thread are the most transparent and crystal clear and wouldn't consider it an objectification to be called a spade if they are a spade. Otherwise by your argument, nevermind men, "anyone" who resists objectification could be said to do so from pride, and that would include half the escapists, feminists and degenerates.

Couldn't be said to do so from pride unless you completely changed what pride means.  A man's "orientation" would be made "crystal clear" by his preferences and tastes which are result of his pride.  

Are you saying if a homo-agapist said it very "crystal clear" he was one, his pride would be his masculinity?

Are you saying if a pedo said it very "crystal clear" he was one, his pride would be his masculinity?

Even a thug can be honest. Why cRap albums sell.
What could be more in-your-face "crystal clear" than that?

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If straight pride means chicken wings and Sunday afternoon football and either a petrified or rosy eyed view of women then who wants to be associated with that.

N. attributed contentment to a masculine trait.

Not every marriage is a domestication. And everybody sacrifices something in their lives for something else - that doesnt make it an oppression/repression.

Because of feminization and feminism, its becoming harder to differentiate those who do not want to find their immortality through "knowing thyself" (the process of which may result in seeing the wisdom of having children and necessary sacrifices), or love, etc., and those who are so but "cannot" because of biased laws and social climate and
"make do", settle down with whatever options.

This is the same to what I have said before.

There is a man who sacrifices his life that I find heroic, and a man who stays back to keep the flame going, that I find equally heroic… dionysian/apollonian, etc.

Let me also add, everything is a cycle and goes through a phase of decadence, diminishment, waste-exits…  to wish a phase away calling the whole affair a domestication is hedonistic. A marriage will definitely have a decline phase and whether it resurges up with its wild liveliness or dies into tamed habituation/pussification is upto the particular.

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Does VO not include slavery?

Have you read otherwise?

Any male who admits he could have an erection, and maintain it long enough and hard enough to penetrate another male's anus - a difficult task - is a homosexual.
I don't care what drugs you've had or what state you were in, the act itself exposes an inner nature.
I see another man's nuts, and ass, and I go limp.
There is no chance of me even thinking of having sex with a male, nuder any conditions.

The need to appear Greek, when you are not, by sampling the most degenerate, hedonistic elites, during their decline, ignoring the thousands go hoplite farmers that supported the entire Hellenic cultural edifice would be like sampling U.S. elites, now during American empire decline, to understand Americanism.
It would be like sampling German pre-war decadence in Berlin, to understand Germany.
Using Greek degeneracy as if the Greeks were infallible, and perfect, to justify your own, is disgusting.

When a woman or a man is sexually rejected the noble mind seeks the reason on himself, or in some combined disharmony.
The degenerate calls the other fat, ugly, or some other insulting, dismissive term, to place the reason upon them and not himself.
He may even pretend that he was never truly interested, to save himself the pain.
Because degenerates are what they can only be: cowards, ignoble, filth.

Every action, every choice says something about the mind choosing and acting.

Lyssa wrote:

Are you saying if a homo-agapist said it very "crystal clear" he was one, his pride would be his masculinity?

Are you saying if a pedo said it very "crystal clear" he was one, his pride would be his masculinity?

Even a thug can be honest. Why cRap albums sell.
What could be more in-your-face "crystal clear" than that?

A man's "orientation" would be made "crystal clear" by his preferences and tastes which are the result of his pride... If he chooses to throw his bling around and act like an animal, like some thug rapper, then that it's crystal clear how much pride he has.. he would be oriented towards greed, sex, or whatever degeneracy...He would be "aroused" only towards the most base things, his pride would only swell when it was about money, sex etc etc... Calling himself "gay" or straight or whatever would just be him trying to blanket himself from criticism, using a term he can hide behind and which has collective support.

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Let me also add, everything is a cycle and goes through a phase of decadence, diminishment, waste-exits…  to wish a phase away calling the whole affair a domestication is hedonistic. A marriage will definitely have a decline phase and whether it resurges up with its wild liveliness or dies into tamed habituation/pussification is upto the particular.

I agree.

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Does VO not include slavery?

Have you read otherwise?[/quote]

I haven't read one way or the other... Admittedly, I'm no expert of VO.  Maybe you can quote where he says it doesn't.

Satyr wrote:

Any male who admits he could have an erection, and maintain it long enough and hard enough to penetrate another male's anus - a difficult task - is a homosexual.
I don't care what drugs you've had or what state you were in, the act itself exposes an inner nature.
I see another man's nuts, and ass, and I go limp.
There is no chance of me even thinking of having sex with a male, nuder any conditions.

But how do you FC just didn't say that to get a "rise"?

I don't.

perpetualburn wrote:

Satyr wrote:

Any male who admits he could have an erection, and maintain it long enough and hard enough to penetrate another male's anus - a difficult task - is a homosexual.
I don't care what drugs you've had or what state you were in, the act itself exposes an inner nature.
I see another man's nuts, and ass, and I go limp.
There is no chance of me even thinking of having sex with a male, nuder any conditions.

But how do you FC just didn't say that to get a "rise"?

His past history shows he's never been a provocateur - he even dislikes Satyr for such.

The question is about him using the Greeks to "justify" a homosexual act while preaching the valuing of man's power, value, etc. and calling Satyr a "bad" person.

That is plain hypocrisy in my eyes.

Fixed and Company accuse me of sheltering Satyr,,, but these Hypocrites - who call anyone just even mentioning the ssshhh word immediately 'Nazis', aren't they the biggest PC shelterers?!

These Nazis are the mother of all mothers.

perpetualburn wrote:

And what if they thrive in danger?

Then they must live and learn. They must experience to thrive.

I do not shelter anyone, I hope they can learn well and use what they learn. What they do with the knowledge is their own individual responsibility.

If my child wanted to learn to fly, I would not stop him from learning if there were no age restrictions to it. If he received his pilot license and wanted to fly around the world, and found the means to do so... I would not stop him. I would encourage him to find his funding, explore and learn, as I always have.

When my children ask me for something, I help them find ways of making arrangements to reach all of their goals, no matter how I feel about it. I will not be a barrier or make them slaves.

I don't know if anybody here knows this, but half-wits with large vocabularies, fancy ways of saying stupid things, and sexual dysfunctions, are responsible for over 100 death worldwide per year.
Something about riding on mopeds using only one hand, the other stroking their vanity.
So, yeah...I need protection.

When Igor climbs the bell tower, the princess lets down her hair for him.
He rings the giant bell, on the hour, every hour, and she sings soft tunes, attracting Don Quixotes to the tower's base, from far and wide.

Don't know how long, but it might take some time before the dim-wit discovers that the half-wit, is practically [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...or will the half-wit discover that the dim-wit is really a female spirit in a "male's" body, first?

I miss the shit-Stain.
He's probably off fucking some whore he picked up with the promise of free designer drugs, or got her piss drunk and brought her over to his place so that he can wake up next to her.
I miss his antics.
How he would pretend to understand what he was clueless about, and then refer to obscure sources, knowing nobody would go to the trouble to verify what he was alluding to, and then implying he was so advanced that he could not be bothered.
You know genius stuff only someone with a high I.Q could think up.

I guess I'll have to make do with the Hoodie Clan of Peripatetic VO "philosophers", who will change the destiny of mankind, from somewhere in the wilds.
Is it too early to call them a cult?
I know the steps...clan...cult....religion....

I am so going to enjoy watching that gang share their genius, with their selfie-sticks.
Unfortunately I have no direct access to them...I am protected.
For my own safety.
I'll have to find other ways.

It's unfortunate when the one who can defeat me in debate, and against whom I need protecting, shows up here, time after time, and never takes up the challenge of shaming me to his followers, and potential lovers.

A fighter in theory, is undefeated.
His legend grows, making little boys want to be just like him.
He feels a surge of power, and of responsibility.
His fears become hidden.
He cannot risk stepping into the rink with one he can, theoretically, easily defeat....because if he wins, it is expected, and if he loses, it will crush the image he painstakingly built over time, using theory and declarations.
It's a tough spot to be in, when your motive is to become glorified when you are dead...and when you want to live in infamy, because you cannot, and will not, father a child of your own.
Not surprising that those who gather around you are, like you, fatherless, and childless.
With no stake in the past, or the future, playing with words is the only thing left to do.
A gamble, with not much to risk.

Inseminating young male minds, becomes erotic.
What need have you for females?
Easy step from the mental to the physical.
If you get a thrill, an orgasm, from inseminating minds, male or female, then converting this to the physical act is not hard to do.

You do know how a beta male inserts himself into a female's life, don't you?
He comes around, is always around, offering help.
He flatters continuously, is willing to offer help, makes you feel good whenever he is around.
He is cleaning your gutter, fixing your pipes, giving you advice on how to fix your wi-fi, willing to come over and do it for you.
Simple small things add up, over time.
It's slow...but it is effective if the female is ripe for the picking.
Patience, casual displays where name-dropping, your physical mental performances, your portfolio are mentioned....
It all adds up.
Seduction, today, takes time and energy.

If you don't have the money, to compensate, then you better contribute the sweat.

Know what's really funny?
When a douche-bag tells you he can beat you up, defeat you, and, despite being present, does not do it.

Know what's worse?
When the same douche-bag tells you he knows someone who can beat you up and defeat you.
Now that is a pussy.

Am I hiding?

Watch the Hippo-crit Sly in the dungeon evading all his hypocrisy he smeared on himself.

He deflects and calls for a ban and this and that… drum rolls… drown down the truth

It's better the second time around

When a "thinker" cannot explain his positions to a layman, and can't express the same concepts using different words, symbols, metaphors, then his words have no contact with the real world.
They are abstractions....like those swaps they invented and sold to the masses.

When an idea can be interpreted by the listener in whatever manner he or she chooses, then it is a pacifier, with no nutritional value.

When it comes to philosophy, lower minds crave base desires, and thus represent base goals. Popularity, fame, social status, a pat on the back, peer approval, to fit in with the (democratic) majority. That's all he wants, and cannot imagine anything more, and certainly not anything "outside" the gifts offered by public approval and popularity. This marks the big difference between "philosophy", for the commoner, and Philosophy, for the intellectually inclined.

Philosophy, offers a more potent reward than popularity. What can be gained from wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, thought, and testing all these thoughts among other philosophers? More powerful insights into the human condition, more awareness of existence, consciousness of reality, better degrees and capabilities to predict the unknown, to foresee what ought to be common sense.

And finally, Authority, the ability to speak for yourself, and make a man out of yourself. The ability to receive the consequences of your ideas, and for sharing them where you have. Because if you share wisdom with a fool, then will he thank you for it? No, he will curse you, and try to tear you apart. His vengeance and revenge for making him aware of himself, and of his own failings in life.

When dealing with common people, the majority, the democracy, these are people who will hate you for merely implying, that they begin to take real, true responsibility for their own lives.


They'll prefer to blame others, and most expectantly, "The State" or "God", "The Church"....


There's a huge difference between yearning for power, as an idealist, and never having it. Versus gaining that power, and being able to wield it, or not. Because most who yearn, cannot wield.

ILP is soooo dull, its only waking up NOW to what Satyr and I have consistently pointed out since a year and more back.

The amount of inertia and stupidity there is unbelievable.

On one hand, Fixed's exasperation is almost empathy-worthy,,,, on the other, it must be said to him,,, just because the mass is this dull to pick up, doesn't mean, a thesis immediately is so complex and profound.

When Satyr quickly assessed cAnus as a troll, and called his thinking as one akin to a chimpanzee, there was some talk on ILP on his caricaturing/shaming, etc.

But now those like Fixed, Brian and co. finally realize iambiguous is one insincere troll.

Satyr called himself the "out of phase man"; what he says now dawns on others months and years later, and it feels like friction now, because the time is out of joint.

Continue on with the charade of civility ILP and treat cAnus on par with other humans, and be kind and polite, and just ignore him decently.

When a mind is dominated, pushed over, toppled, and fallen, then it takes a 'Recuperation' time to recover one's senses. Mental domination can take longer to recover from, than physical damage. And like physical damage, some wounds may heal and are temporary, while others are more permanent.

This "lag time", on ILP, is the time difference. ILP faggots are suffering permanent (mental) damage. Because their minds are significantly weaker than those who find themselves here, on KT. The difference between large mass of children huddled together in a sandbox, or a kindergarten playground, versus a few selected individuals who eventually become adults.

Philosophy, like adulthood and maturity, are not for everybody. Greater knowledge, wisdom, intellect, power, all must be attained, hard won, because it is hard fought.

The ILP faggots will never fight for what they believe in. Because their ideals are ultimately, both weak and flawed. It is a solipsistic bubble, never allowing realism to pop their dream worlds.

They are asleep (brain dead, comatose) and they would rather kill themselves than wake up, and finally, confront reality.


They are addicted to thought drugs (Religion). These are slave-minds, being dealt with. Not master-minds.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of the mind, are now discovering the motives and true "value" of cAnus.
Maybe, with time, they will also see themselves more honestly and courageously.
"Thieves and liars..." they say in my country "...rejoice the first year."

Call a retard what he is, and he may not inflict upon you his retardation.
Humour him, wanting to convert and convince him, and he will be on your head, and in it, until exasperation has to be paid its toll.

Fools, it is comforting to know, never stop.
You will find them having fun, and being joyous, all year long, come rain or shine....for a lifetime.
Like simpletons and animals....or children.

When performing Jujitsu for the camera, always blow out hard, to make it seem like your fists, with their power, are causing the displacement you are projecting from your mouth, as hot-air.

When performing verbal Jujitsu for the audience, always use words with conviction as if you are stating a profound truth, when you are mind-farting with gusto.

The motive is always to impress, and to one day rule the world, with sword or pen, enjoying the pleasures of many gorgeous female companions, and little boys, with testicles still snuggled inside, like ovaries, running around.
A pat on the rump, a pinch of the cheek, and off they go all excited.

If you are anywhere near forty and thinking of doing this....think twice.
The desired effect will be the reverse.
A man-child is cute, adorable, charming, triggering a personal hope of remaining eternally young and naive, and playful, but the cuteness wears off and there you are a, naked, wrinkly, testicles swinging between your ankles, lonely, decrepit, old man, mumbling about how great you could have, been, would have, been, still will be.
Who will you regurgitate then?
What new parlour trick can you find to escape the real?