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Europe is trying to make a comeback through NATO and the WEF.

Klaus Schwab, who I believe was in the Hitler Youth during his ages 4-7, was impressed by Hitler and National-Socialism. His "4th Industrial Revolution" is what he sees as a 4th Reich. Thus Schwab, and the rise of the Davos Group, must not be ignored.

This is proving that, despite America's great gains in the 20th Century, Americans are no match at Global Politics compared to the Europeans, who have two millenniums under their belt, of dealing with hated enemies, and fierce rivalries. America is a relative newcomer to this stage, nationally and ethnically, or racially. Thus, a European Empire could very well rise again.
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There Are No Artists in Hollywood:

Good points here, the quality of PEOPLE have degraded.
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It follows Hebraic survival strategies:
Appropriate, corrupt in accordance to your ideals, sell as a novelty.

They are now attempting to reinvent Christianity - Abrahamism 2.0...and are reinterpreting Nietzsche to create a kind of nihilism that will be immune to his critique.
Bacteria evolve if the autoimmune system doesn't kill them all - they become more resistant.

Art imitating art - fArt.
Inter-Subjectivity. It's all subjective - manmade, if not divinely created. Whatever the case, it was consciously created.
They need intentionality to absolve themselves from responsibility - salvation myth.
A representation of a representation.
Baudrillard - Desert of the Real
Words referring to other words.
Symbols symbolizing symbols.
Simulations of simulacrum.

Keeping the world (nature) "outside".
Natural selection is now social selection.
Immersed in artificiality.
This is why postmodernism arises...it's a symptom of a psychosis.

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The entire conversation.

Cultural decline is inevitable.
They are discussing symptoms as if they were causes.
Do diseases and parasites kill an organism or do they appear and finish off an organism already dying?

Postmodernism is a sign of decline....no civilization can survive for long if its ideals prevail.
Americanism cannot compete with Russia, or China, or anyone, if it adopts postmodern ideology...and it has.
It used postmodern principles to undermine other civilizations but then was called out as a hypocrite, forcing it to swallow its own "salvation" pharmakon - Trump was elected to put a stop to it, but it's too late.

There's something deeper which I can't get into on an open forum.
Essentially zombification kills host and the parasite that carries it - it carries it because it is a way of weakening the host to make it vulnerable to its continuous interventions.

You can't promote ideals for others and then practice something else - say one thing; think a second; do a third.
A salesman debauchery - sell what you will never buy yourself.
The mental disease - the ideological virus - that was weaponized to soften up America's enemies - those resisting its Globalist agenda - is now killing America.

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Traditionalism and Conservatism are long-term thinkers, which understand as you say, that 'ideals' must not come to fruition. Ancient Mysticism demonstrates this in Hellenic Mythology. The implied Morality are lessons to be learned, NOT realized. Religion must concern itself with building and maintaining Patrilineage and families first and foremost, otherwise what are they good for? The supernaturalism must be suppressed, by practical and pragmatic factors.

Catholicism demonstrates this for its two millennium history. Although this is an Abrahamic bastion...the Christian ethos and adaptations, integrations, came subsequently century after century. It's necessary to have a 'Centralized' state, representing its political power directly along side with its morality.

If you decouple Morality with Politics, as the Western Anglo Protestant has, then society will come undone. In this, the Protestant is only a shadow, a frail copy, of the Catholic Church dominion. Compare how Biden and Pelosi, Democrats, must contradict themselves in the recent issues of Abortion. They cannot square their politics and morality. This loose thread unravels the whole garment. One, simple contradiction, destroys their whole Marxist and Communist fabrication.

The Anglo Protestant "Separation of Church and State" has failed. If a State Politic cannot protect its Morality, its Family, then what good is it??? Westerners now must face the 'Conservative' truth and reality—no family, no future. And the Church, at least, offered a protection for Marriage. That Males would be rewarded within it, included into the (elitist) society (Aristocracy), and those who cheated or denigrates Marriage, would be punished, sometimes severely, and sometimes complete societal Exclusion and Banishment.

We discussed and debated this on ILP years ago, the "MRA" movement, and now, Trans-pedophile 'groomers' allowed in US public schools, "groomer" banned and censored on Reddit, etc.
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The "Greek Tragedy" demonstrates a type of 'Negative' morality, Mythos and Ethos, spirituality and spiritualism in most moral lessons, as a stern Warning for its people and civilization. Calamity after calamity, disaster after disaster, lessons to be learned so the consequences can be avoided. An approach of Morality more so to instruct what NOT to do, rather than impossible ideals to be followed.

Abrahamics and Hebrews inverted this is into "Positive" Nihilism, ideals and standards which most cannot and will never live up. They're not made to live to the standard of these False Morals—because then the mass population can be Ashamed, Degraded, Humiliated, and made Guilty for such.

An approach to enslave the Masses, rather than raise them up, and free them—whence 'Liberty' originates, but is quickly perverted and inverted.
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The Greek Lesson is that you cannot change the Nature of a thing, consider any specie of animal.

The Hebrews only half-learned this lesson.  They learned they could trick the masses of humanity, in order to gain immense political and economical power.  However, they often slipped and drank their own kool aid.  They never fully understood the lesson anyway, and saw in it, merely a means to an ends, a tool for political Manipulation.  Thus these types subjugate foreign nations with "Anti-Nationalism", while themselves, are fully Nationalistic.  This is 'Zionism'.

"We get to be Nationalists, but nobody else.  We get to be Racists, but nobody else.  Etc."

Abrahamics are the enslaved.  They have a world-inverted perspective.  Nurture is "greater than" Nature.  An Apple Tree can grow grapes.  And a Grape-vine can grow apples.  Black is white, and White is black.


This mentality is visceral.  It's obvious in any of these modern-Postmodern "thinkers".  ILP is filled with it, as are most other "philosophy" forums—failosophy.
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Actually, there have been seven world wars to date. The first was the War of the Spanish Succession; the second was the Seven Years' War; the third was Napoleon's War; the fourth was the one we call the "first"; the fifth was the one we call the "second"; the sixth was the one we call the "cold" one, but it was anything but cold; the seventh is the one the U.S. alone has been waging since about 1990. The decisive factor in the definition of "world war" is that such a war is not waged on just one continent, but on several continents.

The third, the fourth and the fifth were the world wars in which the unity of Europe was also included in the plan.

But it is decisive that with the sixth world war for the first time no European nation had the warlike leadership, and this has remained so until today. However, it must be added that since then something else is new: the decision-makers are no longer politicians, but only private individuals. If these private people want the USA to remain on top, then the USA will remain on top; if they want Europe to be on top, then Europe will soon be on top; if they want China to be on top, then China will  be on top; what they want will come true - one way or another. Because we must not forget: these private globalists do not depend on any residence in any particular country, they do not depend on anything, because they have so much money that by now they have bought, for example, every important politician and everything else of importance.

It may be that some will displace the present most powerful among the globalists and buy other politicians: but this does not change anything about the fact that they too are private people and do not want to give up world domination either.

The most favorable course of action for the globalist privateers would be to bet on China and consequently supported it even more financially. Why? It is the easiest, i.e. the cheapest. They can reach their goals much faster with China than with Western nations or unions. Westerners are too individualistic, too freedom-loving, too intelligent, too expensive! They stand most in the way of the globalists, although they are Westerners themselves.
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WWI, WWII, Cold War and this new conflict can be considered part of the same conflict between Anglo-Hebraic Globalists and Indo-Euroepan Paternalism/Traditionalism.

I'm not as 'black pilled' - pessimistic/cynical - as you appear to be.
I don't think these "globalists" control everything and everyone, otherwise there would be no need for conflicts.
They could achieve the same results through brainwashing propaganda - social engineering - as they have in the US and its dominion.
Russia and China challenge this globalizing agenda, and they are rallying many ethnicities - inspiring them to stand up and reject their dominion.

Things become complex and confusing when we consider the fact that Christian Orthodoxy - the new Russian dogma to replace Marxism - and Chinese Buddhism - also replacing Marxism - are themselves part of the infection. Confucianism remains independent.

I explain it as a evolution of the mental/ideological virus - from Abrahamic spirituality/Buddhism, into Marxism and then Postmodernism.
Resistance and a return to health begins when the body stops the disease and inverts the process.
We are in the phase of inversion of an inverting mental psychosis - see how I define nihilism.
A return.

This is clear in the latest development that returns the currency to the gold standards - a return to semiotic health and a reconnection with reality.
Money is another linguistic - semiotic, symbolic - form of exchange.

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Heisman - Suicide Note - traces this back to the Anglo-Saxon surrender to the Norse - including the American Civil War as a continuation of this conflict, and then associating the Russian revolution with it.
He makes a compelling argument that the current Anglo-Saxon ethnic and cultural suicide can be traced back to this humiliating defeat and complete dominance.
It psychologically explains Anglo-Saxon resentment for all cultures reminding them of their loss, explaining their Protestantism, and also their commonality with Judaism...culminating in Americanism.

Wittgenstein undermined language, and through it philosophical traditions - primarily Hellenic; Freud undermined traditional family relationships, and through them the foundations of Indo-European paternalism; Marx undermined socioeconomic institutions, and through them traditional hierarchies; the Frankfurt School undermined masculinity/femininity, sexuality and biological connections - feminizing, emasculating man - and paganism, and through this western man's relationship with himself (identity) and with the world/nature (realism, sensuality).
A process of gradual zombification - minds without bodies.

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I am not actually pessimistic. When I say that the globalists can control pretty much everything, I do not mean that they will always succeed. They will soon (historically soon!) tear themselves apart. There will be similar scenes of rending as there were, for example, in the Roman republic/empire, when pure private men dominated both the military and the senate, and therefore the senate (and with it the republic) became weaker and weaker, and in the end only one solution remained: the principate. On the way to this principate, the most powerful - those private men - tore themselves more and more apart, bowled themselves out of the struggle for power, and only Octavian/Augustus was able or came into the position to put an end to this.

After these changes, a long-lasting "golden age" may well dawn - that would be an optimistic prediction. But I prefer to hold back on optimism/pessimism questions.  The Augustan Age has also become known as the "Golden Age" of Rome. Many Romans, in view of the atrocious so-called "civil wars" of the recent past, also judged it that way.

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Europe is trying to make a comeback through NATO and the WEF.

Klaus Schwab, who I believe was in the Hitler Youth during his ages 4-7, was impressed by Hitler and National-Socialism.  His "4th Industrial Revolution" is what he sees as a 4th Reich.
Klaus Schwab, born in 1938, could not be in the Hitler Youth, because he was much too young for it.

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Schwab ... must not be ignored.
Yes, Schwab should not be underestimated. He has been training "Young Global Leaders" since 1971 and "Young Global Shapers" since the end of the so-called "Cold War", which, as I said, was not cold. When Schwab was still a youngster, he received input from Kissinger, who, by the way, received his BA degree summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa in political science from Harvard College in 1950. Kissingers senior undergraduate thesis, titled The Meaning of History: Reflections on Spengler, Toynbee and Kant, was over 400 pages long, and was the origin of the current limit on length (35000 words). He received his MA and PhD degrees at Harvard University in 1951 and 1954, respectively. In 1952, while still a graduate student at Harvard, he served as a consultant to the director of the Psychological Strategy Board, and founded a magazine, Confluence. At that time, he sought to work as a spy for the FBI.

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This is proving that, despite America's great gains in the 20th Century, Americans are no match at Global Politics compared to the Europeans, who have two millenniums under their belt, of dealing with hated enemies, and fierce rivalries.  America is a relative newcomer to this stage, nationally and ethnically, or racially.  Thus, a European Empire could very well rise again.
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We must be aware that the world has been Occidentalized (Westernized). Spengler assumed eight cultures. Four of them obviously no longer exist. They have perished as civilizations. The other four cultures that still exist are all civilizations today. Of these four, three have been drawn into the fourth, namely into the culture of the Occident, not or hardly by Occidental colonialism, but mainly by Occidental technology/engineering with the nice side effect of prosperity, wealth, health, etc., and since this fourth culture is a civilization, it is also more accessible and itself also more and more willing to approach the other three still existing civilizations (China, India, Arabia) and non-civilizations (primitive or primitive peoples).

If it is now really so that these cultures exist only as civilizations, then there are no more cultures which have not yet become civilizations. These cultures then exist only in their form as civilizations.

But the Occidental culture/civilization has colonized the whole globe. There are only a few, small exceptions, and these exceptions, on top of that, have been Westernized and even very Westernized.
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Europeans are Whites, and since the Occidental culture is a civilization, it accepts Whites who do not belong to it, and even all non-Whites who do not belong to it, all too readily. Increasingly, the use of the word "Europe" (actually meant only geographically) is even more frequent among them than the word "Occident" (meant culturally - in distinction from the Orient). This self-forgetfulness has meanwhile almost degenerated into self-hatred. For civilization also means decadence, nihilism, etc., until civilization has reached its final form; and when it has reached it, it is again almost as it was at the beginning of its culture: very pious and very close to nature.

So, when we ask when, how and why cultures end, we must take into account that the end of Occidental culture/civilization, because it has absorbed the rest on this globe (despite the fact that many Non-Occidentals hate Occidentals) through the conveniences that Occidental technology brings (prosperity, wealth, health, etc.), would mean the end of humanity, perhaps with the exception of some primitive peoples.

The rulers of this world, who are all Occidentals, have an interest in the destruction of many people, yes, but no interest in the destruction of all people, as long as they still need some.
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If you decouple Morality with Politics, as the Western Anglo Protestant has, then society will come undone. In this, the Protestant is only a shadow, a frail copy, of the Catholic Church dominion. Compare how Biden and Pelosi, Democrats, must contradict themselves in the recent issues of Abortion. They cannot square their politics and morality. This loose thread unravels the whole garment. One, simple contradiction, destroys their whole Marxist and Communist fabrication.

The Anglo Protestant "Separation of Church and State" has failed. If a State Politic cannot protect its Morality, its Family, then what good is it??? Westerners now must face the 'Conservative' truth and reality—no family, no future. And the Church, at least, offered a protection for Marriage. That Males would be rewarded within it, included into the (elitist) society (Aristocracy), and those who cheated or denigrates Marriage, would be punished, sometimes severely, and sometimes complete societal Exclusion and Banishment.

But look at the alternative.

in 1550 Pope Julius III published a new coin with the motto, “The nation and kingdom that will not serve me shall perish!”

How did the catholic church control people at the height of its power?  
It exercised enormous influence over people's daily lives from the King on his throne to the peasant in the field, it regulated and defined an individual's life.

Has the universal political power of the Papacy changed since that time?

Let's start off with one of the most decisive moments in Francis' papacy for LGBTQ people. When asked about gay priests during a spontaneous exchange with the press, he responded, "If they [gay priests] accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency [same-sex attraction] is not the problem... they're our brothers."

The fact that Pope Francis made such a comment – and used the word "gay" in English – was radical, and helped propel significant conversations in parishes and dioceses on LGBTQ equality to this day. But more importantly, his comment set the tone and approach to talking about LGBTQ issues outside of the liberal-conservative axis.

Kennedy, trying to become the first Roman Catholic president, said that he favored the "absolute" separation of church and state

and look what happened to him.
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But the Occidental culture/civilization has colonized the whole globe. There are only a few, small exceptions, and these exceptions, on top of that, have been Westernized and even very Westernized.
By western we mean Indo-European, or the European branch of this racial and linguistic category.

By "colonized" we also mean 'spread or imposed its world view' - its traditions, ideals, methods, lifestyles.

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Europeans are Whites, and since the Occidental culture is a civilization, it accepts Whites who do not belong to it, and even all non-Whites who do not belong to it, all too readily.
It is inevitable that the dominant meme, i.e., culture, will spread either by coercion or seduction or bribery, via semiotics.
Language is the carrier of culture - tis artistic externalization of esoteric, internal, abstractions.
Language is a culture's DNA, and like organic DNA it spreads through intercourse; and like DNA it accumulates, over time, all kinds of mutations that may manifest cancers or deformities...and if we adopt this model and consider culture a superorganism, then we must acknowledge that, like all organisms, memetic superorganisms are also plagues by parasites, and they grow old, forgetful/senile, weak, vulnerable to diseases and internal dysfunctions...
In my mind nihilism is a linguistically based virus, and it can be carried - as natural viruses - by parasites that use it to weaken a host they want to exploit.
This linguistic virus causes symptoms like detachment from reality, suicidal/self-destruictiveness - see zombification in nature.

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Increasingly, the use of the word "Europe" (actually meant only geographically) is even more frequent among them than the word "Occident" (meant culturally - in distinction from the Orient). This self-forgetfulness has meanwhile almost degenerated into self-hatred. For civilization also means decadence, nihilism, etc., until civilization has reached its final form; and when it has reached it, it is again almost as it was at the beginning of its culture: very pious and very close to nature.
I've offered my own definition of what a "European" is and the three identifiers corresponding to Plato's three-parts of the reason/will/pathos (mind-action-body)...education/choice/blood, each with a different degree of severity, for example blood/race is twice as important as education/paideia/training, and paideia is twice as important as choice...so 60%, 30% and about 10%...or a bit more precisely 58%-29%-13%

First an individual must have the genetic heritage to be a European, then the education, the world-view, and finally the will to be a European, and chooses to be a loyal to Europe's interests.

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So, when we ask when, how and why cultures end, we must take into account that the end of Occidental culture/civilization, because it has absorbed the rest on this globe (despite the fact that many Non-Occidentals hate Occidentals) through the conveniences that Occidental technology brings (prosperity, wealth, health, etc.), would mean the end of humanity, perhaps with the exception of some primitive peoples.
A culture may survive its own death...just as a parent survives its children.
Like genetics a parent DNA is changed by its transmission and synthesis with other cultures, or by its contact with diseases.
Memes change and spread much faster than genes.

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The rulers of this world, who are all Occidentals, have an interest in the destruction of many people, yes, but no interest in the destruction of all people, as long as they still need some.
but, a diseased mind - a mind infected by nihilism - is self-destructive.
Nihilistic spirituality, like Abrahamism, proposes a world that is 'more real' than this experienced world - zombification, detachment from reality, insanity.
Its language is absolutist, negating the experienced world of multiplicity; confusing the abstraction in their heads as being the real, and the experienced world as being the illusion; proposing immutable, indivisible, concepts that usurp and contradict the experienced world of fluidity...

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And all this is not theoretical it is real.
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Americanism began as a European project, attracting Europeans that were looking for a new start, a way out of Europe's established hierarchies...freedom...
But, as I've said, it was infected and infested and it has been corrupted to become something else - globalization, messianic, anti-nature, anti-past...
Denial of nature is a denial of the past - sum of all past nurturing = nurture.
Present/Presence = manifestation of past, interpreted/translated as appearance.

Americanism is nihilism - offering to individuals the erasure of their body and its replacement with semiotics - words/symbols, found on the open market. Myth of the self-made man - man creating itself, from nothing and nowhere.
See how subjectivity denies objective reality and they obsess over the belief that sex/gender, race being "social constructs"....so as to make them replaceable, linguistically mutable.
So when they speak of power - might makes right - and social constructs they mean all is linguistically malleable.
Mind being liberated from the body is a 'liberation' of ideals from the real, the apparent from the tangible, exprienced....making all theoretical, ideological, unrestricted by anything but human power structures.
It demands collective reciprocity - golden rule - so that I will support you in your subjective delusions if you do the same for me; it demands that the negative consequences of these delusions ought to be shared by the collective, reducing their impact on individuals - moral Marxism.
They cannot understand how this system - even if it could be established - leads to degeneracy and implosion.
They can't understand because they are psychologically and mentally stunted - maintained in adolescence - retarded in their development; because they so want to believe they can exist in their private universe, undisturbed by others, and that they have a right, they are entitled to this due to humanitarian ideals, i.e., justice, fairness, compassion...

Americanism has no culture - it is the culture-of-no-culture - allowing individuals who want to escape the right, the privilege, of selecting whatever culture they so desire - like they select a product or a service.
This "logic" leads to selecting your race, your gender, your sex, your ethnicity, your god, your religion, even your reality, morality/ethics...all is a product on the market.
Nihilism negates biological markers and the connection between memes/genes, or ideals and reality, allowing all to be converted to code/semiotics/linguistics, which can then be bought and sold, supply/demand....
This is what is seductive about Americanism - appealing to the world's losers, incels, degenerates, desperate individuals the world over, across borders and times - 'spiteful mutants,' as Dutton called them, - who are multiplying due to sheltering and cultural social engineering.
This has become worse because war is no longer a method of ridding a population of this mutational load, as once it was.

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'White' refers to miscegenated individuals - who do not know their place of origin - but that are predominately of European stock - the enemy of the obviously and proudly mixed....browns, blacks, who may or may not know their place of origin.
So, a pure European who knows his place of origin is, to them anathema...
Males being in Indo-Euroepan traditions the connection to past - heritage.
In some Afro-Asiatic nihilistic ideologies/dogmas female is the connecter, the source of identity, inverting the source of inherited identity.

So, for Americanism and its libturds, a heterosexual, white/European, male is the top of their enemy heap.
The clearer the connection to heritage, the more despicable their enemy.
Melting Pot is the objective - complete miscegenation - to manufacture desperate degeneracy that can then be controlled via markets and marketing.

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Notice that in America's dual-party - single ideal - political system, neither Democrats nor Republicans challenge their shared lies, but only the application and degree.
So, Peterson doesn't challenge race being a social construct, but he does challenge that sex and gender are social constructs - just as MRA/MGTOW, once did.
Denying sexual, biological identifiers, is, for them, the lie going too far down its own 'logical conclusions.'
And, trump is elected to stop and hopefully reverse this downward stroll into insanity.
Now things are getting serious and the US is threatened by its own logic's underlying lies.
The 'logic' is not challenged, only how far we ought to go with it....because transsexuals are in agreement with the lies - they simply took ti a step further.
A self-made man/woman....an individual "liberated" form its past, from nature - all is subjective means all is a mental construct that can be replaced by another; finally free-will is an illusion means all this is due to divine sanction - connected with messianism that claims divine agency as its own.
They are not authoritarian, totalitarian, socially engineering Nazis...no, no no, they are god's soldiers, doing god's will....or, they dehumanize the abstraction and claim it is all according to natural order....fate....universe... and they, just happen to be ahead of the curb....on the cutting edge of progress, aware that all this is inevitable and nothing can stop it...on the 'right side of history'.
Recovering Abrahamics, including Nietzsche, could not overcome the guilt/shame of "killing the god" of Abraham, who offered them certainty, eternal life, hope, eternal innocence...and had to replace the anthropomorphic one-god with ana abstraction that offered the same but with none of the guilt/shame...and none of the blind faith requirements.

So, life after death become 'eternal return', and proving and earning your innocence is done away with because man is born and dies innocent, and there's nothing for which he needs to atone.
What it does is it allows man to surrender to his impulses, comforted by the belief that it is all divine and inevitable - they are all god's agency and no matter their degeneracy it is all according to a divine plan.
A return to the infancy stage. To live with the innocence of a child, whatever you may do - killing raping, maiming, destroying...all divine....
The Bible used a ruse to weaponize shame/guilt so they constructed an absurd narrative about man being given 'free-will' and then punished for applying it by a god that already knew he, Adam, would eat of the 'forbidden fruit' of wisdom - self-awarness.

But, as always....choice is the problem.
For these absolutist, circular, models to work choice has to not be a real choice, but a trick...a pretence.
Why we evolved judgment, learning, choice, nobody can answer....why man had to be fooled into believing he had agency....nobody can say.
If all is inevitable then learning itself is a trick, as is natural selection, as is will to power....
In this case all will to power means is willing the same for an eternity - eternal life replaced by an eternity of living the same life.

As I've noted....order is probability - space is possibility.
So absolute probability, i.e., certainty is another way of saying a singularity, and a singularity implies that there is no possibility or qualification of possibility, called probability, but all is a singularity, a certainty.
Patterns restrict possibilities; certainties reduce them to one and only one probability - ergo no free-will, no choice, no alternate probability.
Totalitarianism on drugs.

Abraham's one-god is replaced by an abstraction that implies the exact same thing, minus the fairy-tale bullshyte allegories. Secularized Abrahamism or secular nihilism.

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I think that Spengler has correctly limited Western culture geographically as well. But I am also willing to call all other White people, who do not belong to this occidental culture, its offshoot, provided they move in this direction. After all, it looks as if the enemy - whether we call them "Abrahamites", "Americanists" or otherwise - wants to kill all Whites, or at least degenerate them, so that in the end hardly any Indo-Germans (Indo-Europeans) will be left, or indeed none at all, provided that the nihilists succeed with their racist biopolitics.

They want the Occidentals either to be wiped out or to show willingness to be made into stupid people, i.e. Non-Occidentals.

Money is of course involved, because the middle class of the Occidentals has more wealth than their states together. This wealth means an enormous increase in power for the thieves who take it away from them.
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The decline of cultures is comparable to the death of living beings. At a certain age, the genetic program makes too many mistakes, the cells can no longer regenerate, so that the organism degenerates more and more. Exactly the same happens with the cultures, whereby the errors just mentioned, which lead to the degeneration, are exercised by the nihilists. The nihilists want the destruction of the culture, because they profit from it themselves.
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Control women and you control men
Females are nature's intentional selectors - biological gene/meme filters.

Indoctrinate females into a particular dogma/ideology and you control which kind of male gains access to the future and becomes invested in the system, rather than remaining a free-radical, a.k.a., incel.

---sidenote
Noticew this rise in sexual dysfunctions and dysphoria, and degeneracy, such as peeping toms, paedophiles, transsexuals, etc.

Two factors.
Mutation overload, manifesting sexually.
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Lack of sexual options - increasing sexual frustration and indifference.

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And how do you manipulate and indoctrinate females, converting them into gene/meme filters, working to exclude particular kind of male?
You exploit their motherly instincts; you manipulate their hypergamic impulses; and you manipulate their feminine competitiveness.

Females are always attracted by power - strength, dominance; when they join revolutions it is because they want to outcompete other females sensing a shift in power balances; women then desire to cultivate and nurture peaceful, stable, predictable environments to facilitate their reproductive cycle, once they've made their choice.

All based on evolution.
Females want to reproduce fit genes, in combination to their own.
Fit means adaptable, flexible, with high probability to survive and pass on their genes and to dominate others.
This is why monogamy is so antithetical to their natural impulses.

Then, once they've made their choice, women want a safe, comfortable, stable environment because they enter a stage of vulnerability and dependence.
They become conservative once they've fallen pregnant and given birth, for the period required for the child to become autonomous - 5-7 years - then they look for something better, if it available - genetic diversification.
So, diversity is beneficial to their reproductive impulses.

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Satyr wrote:
Control women and you control men
Females are nature's intentional selectors - biological gene/meme filters.

Indoctrinate females into a particular dogma/ideology and you control which kind of male gains access to the future and becomes invested in the system, rather than remaining a free-radical, a.k.a., incel.

---sidenote
Noticew this rise in sexual dysfunctions and dysphoria, and degeneracy, such as peeping toms, paedophiles, transsexuals, etc.

Two factors.
Mutation overload, manifesting sexually.
&
Lack of sexual options - increasing sexual frustration and indifference.
Yes, it started with the bourgeois "revolutions" (in USA and France), in France at the time when the advocates calling themselves "revolutionaries", failed aristocrats as putschists, who had previously said "we are the people", suddenly pretended to represent not the 3rd estate but the 4th estate. This was the success of the egalitarians, which led to terrorism with the Jacobins (as with all so-called "revolutions"). If at that time it was only a beginning, in 1848 it was already more professional, the 4th estate was the proletariat ("proletarians of all countries unite!") and so on. What I am saying is: if you control the working class (the alleged 4th estate), you control the capitalists. Then followed control of women, which should mean control of men. This also happens via immigration, because it controls the natives. And so on. This program knows no limits. Genderism and so on.

About 80% of the humans believe totally in what the media of the globalists (world rulers) say. They would only have to remember that in former times there were no technical media at all, that the humans themselves were and still are the media, but they do not know this fact anymore, at least they are not aware of it.
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"Degenerates of the world, Unite!"
French Revolution was the start.

Heisman - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - claimed the American Civil War was a continuation of Norse conquest and usurping of Anglo-Saxon culture, producing resentment, and a desire to erase all cultures so as to erase the shame of being so thoroughly dominated - explaining the Protestant-Jewish common ground in America, producing the elimination of WASPS, and also explaining their polemic against shame and guilt - rejecting free-will.
This leads to this culture of shameless degeneracy...innocent victims of fate.

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Control women and you control men
Females are nature's intentional selectors - biological gene/meme filters.

Indoctrinate females into a particular dogma/ideology and you control which kind of male gains access to the future and becomes invested in the system, rather than remaining a free-radical, a.k.a., incel.

Control, Indoctrinate and manipulate, these words are not relevant to thinking women today, they would be onto the above in a heartbeart.  

Men of a certain age group now have to face up to their shattered old certainties and replace them with painful choices, if they wish to stay in the game.

Females are attracted to power yes, but now they also have a formidable amount of power to wield. 

It is all a bit tricky............for men.
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Kultur,

I am inclined to believe from reading your posts that you rely heavily on Ignatius of Loyola, the Spanish Catholic priest and theologian, who found the The Jesuits, as your thoughts and opinions run in tandem with Peter Sloterdijk.

"Sloterdijk is not a Jesuit himself by any means but his own anthropology and arguably, his late philosophy are impossible without the Jesuits - a point Sloterdijk deems to hint at in a variety of contexts.  His attempt to name the Jesuits as a part of his genealogy of anthropotechnology helps to bring in the insights from media theory that distinguish Sloterdijk from both his rivals in Critical Theory and his colleagues in German media studies (e.g. Friedrich Kittler).  By way of the Jesuits, Sloterdijk is able to find an autoplastic anthropology, one that locates a certain creative energy in human beings on human beings that eschews the trappings of Habermas's conservative anthropolgy and the technological determinism of Kittlerian media theory.

Sloterdijk’s assumption that the genius of St. Ignatius was to have intuited that the spiritual life is a practicing life, one that aims to train human beings otherwise, replacing old habits with new habits derived from imaginative exercises."

“The SS had been organized by Himmler according to the principles of the Jesuit Order. The rules of service and spiritual exercises prescribed by Ignatius de Loyola constituted a model which Himmler strove carefully to copy. Absolute obedience was the supreme rule; every order had to be executed without comment.
Edmond Paris – The Vatican Against Europe (p 252-253)
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Freyja wrote:
But look at the alternative.

in 1550 Pope Julius III published a new coin with the motto, “The nation and kingdom that will not serve me shall perish!”

How did the catholic church control people at the height of its power?  
It exercised enormous influence over people's daily lives from the King on his throne to the peasant in the field, it regulated and defined an individual's life.

Has the universal political power of the Papacy changed since that time?
Yes, Catholicism still has a stigmatism today, which is the positive argument for Protestantism, pro-Protestantism. Specifically, Europeans remember the torture, the stockades, the iron maiden, vividly. Catholicism has tried, and failed, to cleanse its dirtier and bloodier past. Remember the dozens of Crusades? Remember the oppression of European pagans, of tribes and villages on the periphery of Catholic rule, who were forced under Roman dominion by threat of sword?

Look at "Catholicism" today. It is a shell of its former self and glory. Siding with Hitler and the Nazis (the "Fascists"), also stigmatized Catholicism further.

Now there is some forms of 'acceptance' of homosexuality or weaning of traditional European morality.

Can a non-virgin woman marry in a Catholic Church, today?

Again, use the example of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, self-proclaimed "Catholics". How moral are they? Do they speak against abortion?? This is evidence of the decay of Catholic cultural relevancy and political power.


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Let's start off with one of the most decisive moments in Francis' papacy for LGBTQ people. When asked about gay priests during a spontaneous exchange with the press, he responded, "If they [gay priests] accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency [same-sex attraction] is not the problem... they're our brothers."

The fact that Pope Francis made such a comment – and used the word "gay" in English – was radical, and helped propel significant conversations in parishes and dioceses on LGBTQ equality to this day. But more importantly, his comment set the tone and approach to talking about LGBTQ issues outside of the liberal-conservative axis.

Kennedy, trying to become the first Roman Catholic president, said that he favored the "absolute" separation of church and state

and look what happened to him.
If the Roman Catholic religion cannot protect 'Marriage' then I would say it, as a culture, as a moral system, as a religion, is finished.

And here is the deal. Islam is taking over, in terms of conservative and political-right 'Fundamentalism'. Islam is acting as the spiritual successor of "Old Catholicism". Whereas Catholics and Europeans balk and cower before Woke-Transgenderism and LGTBQ+ far-left radicalism....Muslims will not. The far-left respects the far-right...of Islam. Because both extremists will fight, and die, for their belief systems. Thus the far-left fear Islam:



Here we see conservative Americans and Islam/Moslems on the same side...interesting.
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We must be aware that the world has been Occidentalized (Westernized).
As long as "Occidentalist" Western Europeans look down their nose at Eastern Europeans, and see themselves as superiors, there will never be peace in Europe.

Don't pretend that Occidentalists view Finnish Saami, Hungarian Tatars, Poles, Greeks as "White", because they don't.

Even Italians on the East Coast United States are deemed "swarthy" and "off-white" today.


Germans never learn their lesson. As long as European unity is underlaid with German superiority and narcissism, it will not work.

Your argument represents the 'Occidentalist' war against Russia, in Ukraine, right now.

Occidental Globalists dabble in the prospect of subjugating Putin and the Russian people.

This is not the first time, historically.
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'White' refers to miscegenated individuals - who do not know their place of origin - but that are predominately of European stock - the enemy of the obviously and proudly mixed....browns, blacks, who may or may not know their place of origin.
So, a pure European who knows his place of origin is, to them anathema...
Males being in Indo-Euroepan traditions the connection to past - heritage.
In some Afro-Asiatic nihilistic ideologies/dogmas female is the connecter, the source of identity, inverting the source of inherited identity.

So, for Americanism and its libturds, a heterosexual, white/European, male is the top of their enemy heap.
The clearer the connection to heritage, the more despicable their enemy.
Melting Pot is the objective - complete miscegenation - to manufacture desperate degeneracy that can then be controlled via markets and marketing.
Are you Greek?

Or are you Canadian?

How can you be both without being a 'globalist'?


Kultur, you can answer this too...

These are neo-colonialist matters. Do you take your homeland with you into the new world, or not? What must be left behind? What is worth remembering about the Ancients? These questions will become exponentially more relevant when humanity leaves Earth altogether and explores deeper space. How much is your ethnicity going to matter 10 billion miles away from Earth?
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Greek is an ethnicity.
Canadian is a nationality.

They want to make everything into a nationality.
Greek is genetic - Canadian is an idea.
"White" is not a race, it's a skin pigment - a trait.

I cannot choose not to be Greek.
I can choose not to be Canadian.
Canadian, Australian, American...all nationalities, not ethnicities, ergo postmodernism could only have found fertile ground to take root there.
Globalism wants to erase ethnicity, and replace it with nationality.....

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