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PostSubject: Re: About Love Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:31 am




You have the cunning of the mentally ill.


Have you ever, during your lifetime, been diagnosed?
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:39 am

Some man once tried to diagnose me.
I had his liver with a nice glass of Chianti.

My sweet, the thread's topic is "love".
If you wish to diagnose me, then start a thread on it. If not, then remain on topic or face the consequences.
I hope you will do more than imagine me as suffering...from something.
That's just easy.
I expect more creativity from a healthy mind, like yours.

If you can challenge my views, I am listening, if not...then feel free to project upon me any ailment you feel is appropriate to feel better about yourself...or to explain me away.

If you are located in "paradise," then I prefer to remain in hell.

And, yes, the category "human," says nothing about the individual.
The key word being "no-thing".

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:41 am

I did have second thoughts about that post and was going to delete.

But you are right on to me aren't you?
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:49 am

I am sitting here, on vacation, after bringing my son to the daycare, writing. I usually leave my connection to the internet on, when I am writing.

I get these notifications, reminding me of how desperate you are to deal with your condition, my sweet.
A side-matter...very entertaining, although not very creative.
This "Satyr is ill" doctrine, has been covered, in many ways, by many of your kind...some with more artistry than you.
Still doesn't say anything against my positions, now does it?

I insult, but saying so or trying to silence me does not eradicate the insult's precision.
You, for example, are dumb, even by female standards.
I've met intelligent women, rare as they may be...but you are...not...one.

I will admit that I am weak, fearful, needy, ignorant...and still superior to you, and to those like you, in all of those areas.
And if "health" means being nice to those who are manimals; or, if, remaining civil and dishonest, when I do not have to, is your definition of "well-adjusted" then allow me to be a disease.

My dis-ease, shall be called reason.
I see too much...to turn away and make myself blind to it...just to satisfy the needs and to assuage the fears of imbeciles and people who barely qualify to be called human.
But, I have a different definition of "human" than you all-inclusive, cowards....and it is not sexual, as it is with you self-contradictory twats.

Moron, do you know how easy it is, for me to be liked, by people like you?
I do it daily....people think I am nice, and funny, and kind.
It's because I know what each one wants from me...and I adapt; I give it to them.
Now, why would I do so here, when you mean nothing to me, and I have nothing to gain by repressing my honest opinions?

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:17 pm

Is the word"obtuse" your flavor of the month. Not commonly used, (but I notice used by you and your anima, Lyssa) look it up.


I did refer to your "health", and then thought it rather insensitive, initially, but got over that very quickly. You have referred to it yourself in a vague way. I was thinking perhaps "depression". Highly probable considering your propensity for your mood swings.


You sneer at my country, let us look at yours. Decaying infrastructure, bridges, roads, buidlings. Awful politics, their idiotic policies, which drive away investment and confidence.


and always the word reason, you cling tightly too. It takes both reason and emotion to be a human being.


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A side-matter...very entertaining

You have to take your son to child care, YOU, the professed alpha male. You are no different to the betas running after their female's every beck and call.

YOU are hilarious.

Be happy, with your intelligent cheer leader women. Hah and bah!
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:34 pm

Cool....
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:20 pm

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This post is getting long...so, in short:
When a female is one of the rare ones. The ones belonging to the upper 5% amongst females...or the ones belonging to the top 1% amongst both sexes, ni the area of intelligence...then her criteria change.
Not because her nature changes but because her choices diminish.
A female always wishes to be fertilized by they above her....this determined by her own evaluation of herself.
Here, self-knowledge, self-esteem, play a big part.


And in that 1%, there's a cut off, of those who do not care even if choices were plenty. Part of self-esteem includes a one-pointed unwavering focus and having the integrity to seeing something/someone through to the end.


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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:22 pm

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and always the word reason, you cling tightly too. It takes both reason and emotion to be a human being.

Pot calling the kettle black, etc.

R/E., allegedly pro-Emotion scribbled some love lines here, like 'its been a long time since some man made me feel the way you do Satyr' and quick to erase it. LOL

You know it and I know it.

You should be woman enough to admit your [repressed] emotions and be the 'human being' you preach here.

Btw., its the most gentlemanly men with that polite and courteous facade in their words who've been real, heartless bullies in their deeds - Humean from ILP for example is one cowardly vindictive reptile, than those who vent out honestly and possess an inner grace than appearances would have it.

But you keep at it, being a Woe...man.


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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:04 pm

The feminine principle, especially as present in men, is the anima, and as you have aptly named it "Lyssa".

Your response is "too little, too late".

You are getting soft in your old age Satyr, a fair little popsie. Ha
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:29 pm

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the way you do Satyr' and quick to erase it. LOL


You know and I know, that was never written.


and you also know, it will never be possible for you to have a woman like me,


or a woman like me ever wanting a man like you, who hides behind a woman's facade.


Resorting to lying now, how low can you go..... we shall see.





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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:38 pm

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The feminine principle, especially as present in men, is the anima, and as you have aptly named it "Lyssa".

Your response is "too little, too late".

You are getting soft in your old age Satyr, a fair little popsie. Ha
That you think I am Lyssa, is delightful.

I used her account on ILP, as a way of getting around my banishment.
She invited me to.

Lyssa, here, is not Satyr.

Hard to believe, but true.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:13 pm

Liar should be written above your avatar.
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:19 pm

Excellent.
From now on, please address only my Lyssa moniker...and do not bother my Satyr moniker.

Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:19 pm

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the way you do Satyr' and quick to erase it. LOL


You know and I know, that was never written.

Tell me what was written exactly then and what you erased?

I'll help you.. it started with you exclaiming incoherently about Satyr shoving something in your hands and you expressed how that got you all ecstatic and how its been a long time since any man has made you feel like Satyr did... who cares if you deny it, you only deny yourself your own honest emotions.

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and you also know, it will never be possible for you to have a woman like me,

A woeman, I mean wowman like you... what is that? I doubt you are even a woman.

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or a woman like me ever wanting a man like you, who hides behind a woman's facade.

Funny, you talking of honesty when you hide behind the edit button desperately erasing your emotions and your love letters.

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Resorting to lying now, how low can you go.....

Did you think no one would see it? Such a big paragraph...

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we shall see.

I dare you.







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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:21 pm

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Liar should be written above your avatar.

You are dishonest and cowardly and hypocritical and non-Emotional and un-womanly and a Liar.


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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:22 pm

Lyssa wrote:
reasonvemotion wrote:
Liar should be written above your avatar.

You are dishonest and cowardly and hypocritical and non-Emotional and un-womanly and a Liar.

Did...I...say that?
Suspect

Know what's funny?
Half of the monikers here are me.
I am ...everywhere.
Like a God.

Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:23 pm

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The feminine principle, especially as present in men, is the anima, and as you have aptly named it "Lyssa".

Your response is "too little, too late".

That's because I was on a break.

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You are getting soft in your old age Satyr, a fair little popsie. Ha

Such a stiff prude,,, no matter how many philosophy boards you hop-hop like a sexbunny, with that kind of prudish attitude, you are never going to find any, not even a 75 year old picasso type.


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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:26 pm

Satyr wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
reasonvemotion wrote:
Liar should be written above your avatar.

You are dishonest and cowardly and hypocritical and non-Emotional and un-womanly and a Liar.

Did...I...say that?
Suspect

R/E. has always been incoherent, jekyll/hyde type. She has always passionately expressed herself and then bitten her lips and quickly pressed the edit button.

Remember on PN she was all praises for your sensitive poetry... and then called you a bully. She flips.

- - -

She accuses others of not owning upto their emotions and being only half-human, but she doesn't even address her own behaviour, her own emotions which she goes about erasing.
How does a hypocrite live with itself?

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:29 pm

Uhum...

Well, back on-topic....

Love:
A sophistication of Lust.
Lust?
The feeding need, turned into a desire to consume and to be consumed: the male/female sexual tension.
Sex, takes on this feeding frenzy.
Biting, scratching, the contained violence of copulation...kissing as an exchange of food....the penis being consumed, by the vagina, the male wanting to tear the female apart and assimilate her.

Love was meant to overcome the fight/flight, so as to enable heterosexual reproduction.
It is a self-inebriation; the mind numbed by hormones.

Once love is abstracted and idealized, it is turned into a God...the ultimate alpha.
He who consumes all....and who must lower Himself to become a man, so as to then be consumed, as a way of assimilating from within, as the sperm fertilizes the ovum by masking its true essence.
Jesus is "passion"...God's spermatozoon.
The "living God".

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:32 pm

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R/E. has always been incoherent, jekyll/hyde type. She has always passionately expressed herself and then bitten her lips and quickly pressed the edit button.

Remember on PN she was all praises for your sensitive poetry... and then called you a bully. She flips.
No, she doesn't flip.

She's confused.
She can't incorporate my sensitivity into her romantic idealism, after I display cruelty.

For her, empathy and sensitivity, automatically results in kindness, humility, surrender to otherness.

She can't understand how someone so perceptive can be so vicious.
Her experience has taught her that perceptiveness goes hand and hand with nerdiness, or with the effete, socially inept dorkiness...the boy crying all alone every night.

It's part of this feminine mystique. The internal disharmony between instinct and idealism; unfocused, primordial desire conflicting with socially manufactured romanticism.
It's why she cannot bring herself to believe a female would think like you do.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:48 pm

Lyssa........"in between breaks".......

Satyr..........on vacation...... LOL


Little popsie, how I excite you, why you are in a frenzy.


Is it Satyr or Nymphete today. A bit of both I see.


Does this mean it is goodbye.... lol!



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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:41 pm

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Lyssa........"in between breaks".......

Satyr..........on vacation...... LOL


r/e. wants to pretend Satyr and I are the same because she cannot believe or even accept there can be girls like me who do not see men like Satyr as bullies.
Its easy for her to clump me with Satyr, and attack him, because that way, she never has to challenge me. She fears me.
Its always easy to sling mud on men - they are typically 'evil' and 'bad'.

fear makes some people go in a lying frenzy as well.

she has been here on this forum and not started even one intellectual topic and only responds to issues on love, etc.
To me, that exposes her emotional needs as honest as daylight, just like her erased love letter.

She tries to shame men for being fathers and looking after their children; a divorced woman feeling empty with no child is bound to be envious and resentful; she grabs it like a delicious opportunity... to show what? To care for your child is to be a beta male, she says lol!

The emptiness of your paradise must be too much to bear; I atleast would not say goodbye to you... feel free to find peace here; there's Magsj and Kriswest and so many other shy girls too coming here for the same, and you can be one more.

laterzz.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:48 pm

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Lyssa wrote:

R/E. has always been incoherent, jekyll/hyde type. She has always passionately expressed herself and then bitten her lips and quickly pressed the edit button.

Remember on PN she was all praises for your sensitive poetry... and then called you a bully. She flips.
No, she doesn't flip.

She's confused.
She can't incorporate my sensitivity into her romantic idealism, after I display cruelty.

For her, empathy and sensitivity, automatically results in kindness, humility, surrender to otherness.

She can't understand how someone so perceptive can be so vicious.
Her experience has taught her that perceptiveness goes hand and hand with nerdiness, or with the effete, socially inept dorkiness...the boy crying all alone every night.

It's part of this feminine mystique. The internal disharmony between instinct and idealism; unfocused, primordial desire conflicting with socially manufactured romanticism.
It's why she cannot bring herself to believe a female would think like you do.


If you are soft, you are beta and not a real man and boring and dull.
If you are harsh, you are bully and not a real human and over-excited and in a frenzy.

Some women hate themselves and so nothing can satisfy them, because their self-hatred makes it impossible for them to enjoy anything.
She's not confused; she knows what she wants; a delicious dish before her and she wants to taste it too but she lacks the organs to enjoy it and so she takes it out on others.

A woman remaining single and unmotherly beyond a certain age - flips. Kriswest talking of dogs and dog-shite...
r/e. has a nice pussycat, I bet.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:28 am

as there is nothing of value to respond to, a little insight perhaps may not go astray....

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:14 am

So you want to have your cake and eat it too.

You know what would be awesome? - If I could find that woman who takes care of me, takes responsibility for all things that go wrong, is always nice and 'reasonable' to me, is like a perfect mother for me. At the same time she's in awe of me and gives me what I want, how I want and when I want it.

Doesn't that sound really awesomest?

You don't see the other side of that coin, do you?
Mixing what the feminine wants with what women have been impregnated with in their heads.

Remember the punchline of that clip - the amusingly tragic thing is that men should be repulsed by those "successful" and "intelligent" women yet it's considered a failing.
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:02 am

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I luv it.

The supposition that Lyssa and I are one and the same, is needed to then preserve the hypothesis that intelligent women - with or without looks - are intimidating.
You, obviously, being intelligent and hot, all at once.

I like the scene. It reminded me of the often misuse of the concept of success.
Amongst the Moderns intelligence MUST result in social status.
There is no other reason for it.
This produces the idea that socially successful men and women are automatically intelligent.

We can see the equalization effect.
Modern social status, based on production, acquiring credentials to become productive, is the quintessential leveling ground.

Therefore, the current increase in female university graduations and their attainment of institutional positions of authority, constitutes evidence that, yes, men and women are the same.

Another interesting factor, the clip reminded me of.
Oftentimes the "intimidation" factor females think is behind male reactions to them is not a product of their qualities but of their status....and the bitchy, female thinks men run form her because they find her frighteningly superior.
This is also used by Negroes.
Many blacks are tempted to explain any averse reaction to them, personally, as it being a result of racism.
Any time anyone has a negative reaction to them, on a personal level, he, or she, does not try to find the reason in himself, but in something outside himself, in the other.
Race and sex, being the Modern Day, uniformity tools, provide a good shaming device.

The clip also provides evidence on hos pop-culture promotes certain types as being ridiculous, crude, and others as being sophisticated, suave, and wronged.

The idea of a sexy young woman climbing up the corporate ladder is a bit farfetched...not because of sexism, because an average intelligence suffices to be a mediocre corporate executive, or a doctor, or a lawyer - a favorite amongst modern Caucasian females - but, simply, due to the law concerning the path-of-least-resistance.
Ease is seductive, and most often the path which is easiest is taken.

But, there is also the factor of female integration.
The female feels valuable, and safe, within social structures.
Her ascending the social status ladder, by any means available to her, is a way of ensuring her progeny, and her, will enjoy the benefits of the group's sheltering power.

This is why effete males and females are so good at playing the game of social conventions. They do not challenge or try to think outside its premises. their intellect is focused on finding ways to integrate and to ascend within its premises...which are taken for granted.
This is, also, why they make excellent, average, or slightly above average, producers of goods and services.
The institution, first through the education system, provides them with the agenda, the precedent, and the recipe.
This is why few females make above average chefs, comedians, thinkers, inventors, explorers. To be exceptional is the creative fields requires thought outside the social and cultural premises...and females are just not capable of it.
Female brains are totally committed to what lies within the box.

Their dedication and discipline consists in following rules (conduct, engagement, etiquette, precedent) as precisely as possible.
This only requires an average mind...because the formula is already accessible and there, present like Biblical text, to consult and carry on your duties.
Zero creativity, innovation, necessary...for those only wanting to a career that will offer them access to luxury and a higher quality of mate.
Here, "quality" is a reflection of the one who is judging it....therefore a social-fly will find attractive another social-fly; for a woman, preferably, with a higher social status.

reasonevmotion having become reliant on these tactics, and failing to bring them to bear here, where appearance and social status are insignificant, can't help but fall back to their comforting, easy, power of suggestion.
Having been caught in a moment of weakness, and now questioning her judgment concerning Lyssa and Satyr, she indulges in a bit of redirection and insinuation.
She, both, takes the subject off, with a non-response, and then implies what she wisahes to refocus attention upon: her presumed attractiveness and/or social status.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:59 am

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Therefore, the current increase in female university graduations and their attainment of institutional positions of authority, constitutes evidence that, yes, men and women are the same.

University lectures are by now filled with simple and repetitive tasks. Anybody can make it, especially in economic and social studies. In the past it was more about fewer but more difficult tasks which required intelligence (if you did it by yourself) - now it's about lots of repetitive, easy tasks. The selection is about endurance, patience, tolerance of meaningless exercises.

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Oftentimes the "intimidation" factor females think is behind male reactions to them is not a product of their qualities but of their status....and the bitchy, female thinks men run form her because they find her frighteningly superior.

That's a common theme with (young) women by now. If you ask them and wade through their bullshit then they finally admit that it's them who don't feel attraction for a male of lower status. Where it's again another issue that many women are so out of touch with themselves that they don't even know what they themselves in particular value more or less in a man. Genetically this is devastating in the long run - the selection process is unnatural - it's not even necessarily about attractive looks. Absolutely ; ) out of touch with themselves.

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This is, also, why they make excellent, average, or slightly above average, producers of goods and services.

Again, high tolerance, contentment and endurance with meaningless, boring, repetitive tasks.
A quality which is rewarded in current society.

No challenge and not demanding excellence. Nobody is always perfect but it's not even about that. Failure is part of that game. But masculinity is motivated by challenge and demand for excellence, trying and rise above the average.

Dull, dull, dull...times
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:23 am

Automation is a Modern technology.
The logos of technique.

The, so called, expert, is a representative of a technique.
Creativity, genius, innovation, is not necessary to be an expert.
Information, data, knowledge, is pooled, and controlled.

The work requires is to learn the methodology....and to do the work required to sample from precedent.
The expert has experience, with the method and the text, the authority, which he samples.
Feminine dispositions are well-suited for this kind of work.

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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:52 am

Yes.

Repetitive, stupid tasks are not anymore only an issue for the uneducated assembly worker but through and through up to the high ivory towers. Perhaps even worse in those highly 'educated' positions - it looks like it, to me.
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PostSubject: Re: About Love Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:01 pm

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Again, high tolerance, contentment and endurance with meaningless, boring, repetitive tasks.
A quality which is rewarded in current society.

No challenge and not demanding excellence. Nobody is always perfect but it's not even about that. Failure is part of that game. But masculinity is motivated by challenge and demand for excellence, trying and rise above the average.

Dull, dull, dull...times

They still demand excellence in mate selection. Except excellence is physical fitness and social success with just a touch of rebelliousness. He has to have his own masculine project/endeavors but only as long as it doesn't detract from his most important task (attending her needs ). They don't want the pussywhiped husband, but they don't a man that is too anti status-quo.

The status quo is an affront to a man's masculinity so he challenges it. He feels pride in trying to overcome it. Domestication is an evil word, but he still wants a family, so he plays the game.

Women's passive aggressive nature allows her to easily assert herself within the domesticated system, using her passive aggressiveness to not only get a mate but keep said mate in line by constantly keeping the petty drama alive. Even if her intuition or her bodily desires want something more, the idea that the control or security that she's gained within the system, could be lost, is too much to ever risk... so she continues on mercilessly parroting the status quo. Women's biggest risk is maybe childbirth so everything she does is only a means to secure the best conditions to have children. This is where her greatest responsibility lies... This is maybe why she doesn't even demonstrate the same responsibility as men in simple human interaction... being more prone to deception.

Man's responsibility and risk is towards overcoming himself, becoming something greater. Man becomes more beautiful/attractive, potentially even more so after death. How he behaves, how he interacts with people has very large meaning because his LASTING image depends on it... For a woman, interaction can be less polite. She is less responsible because for her it's about finding a mate...the cat and mouse games, the aggressiveness, the lashing out is actually beneficial to attracting someone. Women want to be with/ a part of beauty. The illusion of beauty that woman creates is more superficial, thus why it's so important to get a mate when she' still young and vibrant. The system is likewise very superficial and promotes "youth" and wild directionless sexuality. It's very easy then for women to "seem" very beautiful for a man when she blends in so well with trendy ideals of beauty. She is able to "maintain" her beauty within this system as well, because the system continually caters to it... and "maintaining" beauty is a prime concern for women.. it gives her security/control/power. Vanity is enough defend the system.

For a lot of men, just having a hot women to have sex with on a regular basis is enough of a boost to keep his manhood in check. Sex becomes a steam valve for all his dissatisfaction with the system. Once in a relationship, he'll complain about how "crazy" women are with his friends while he watches the game and drinks some beer... this is just another steam valve...taking jabs at women from time to time while being heavily domesticated... and because he now has a woman (thus making him a "man") he'll defend his domesticated situation and the conditions that created it to the death...
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