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What I had incurred in juxtaposition is that the inducement to revenge is contingent upon how much some past relationship or event costed, such as the time, effort and giving put into it before and after realizing the impasse, instead of what one might hope to indeterminately gain from the act of vengeance by itself, itself taking on the effacing of the expenses.

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The engineer, without a physical and real problem to solve, and no appreciation for his time of rest.. if he lives a sheltered life, will turn to trying to solve himself... all small anxieties, arising out of the potentials inherent to flux, become amplified and there is where paranoia sets in.

As the engineer engages with flux potentialities instead of manifestations, his ego grows, he says "All these small problems I've amplified do not affect me, so I am invincible." An engineer who was not sheltered may not have this problem, remembering through experience the hardship he went through.

The sheltered engineer becomes a narcissist, gripped in paranoia about every little thing while simultaneously expanding his ego to have a false feeling dominance over, invulnerability to, flux.
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Feminization

First man is reduced to being a soldier/follower, then he adapts and becomes sarcastic and cynical, a businessman buying himself and selling himself.
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When there is no physical representation  of an idea(l) which one fights against without victory, one must seek relief from its tyranny through the chemical manipulation of themselves... binge eating, drugs, masturbating...

An idea: sexual fetishes as a representation of these fears, the stresses of which (of the fear) to be relieved from the organism through orgasm..

Reasons one might not be able to find relief in less twisted ways: their counters to them are shameful or repressed.. they are naive,  ignorant, or dull.. perhaps even decadence and sheltering is to blame.
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Anfang wrote:
First man is reduced to being a soldier/follower, then he adapts and becomes sarcastic and cynical, a businessman buying himself and selling himself.

It should not be called feminization. Best term is Transgendering.

negative ideas are attached when we use terms in such sense.

As your sentence says that a man goes through phases, this is transitioning.
Feminization of a man cannot happen, but transgendering.
A man is masculine already, he cannot be converted into feminine but can be made confused.

A transgender is like a pendulum of a clock, it swings from one to other.

Static male, biologically - having a degree of fluid feminity.
Static female, biologically - having degree of fluid masculinity.
Control of such, underastanding; determines the expression of feminity as a female and masculinity in the male, be-coming a man.

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The mere presence of having 2 genders in the human species - is the instinct itself in regards to reproduce, on average, for the people.
How much one tries to fight sexual fantasy, how much one may be repulsed by the thought of sexual intercourse, the exchange of bodily fluids, by seeing through the act as a means to fight the desire, the mind eventually goes, of the man, to the woman and her vagina (if not quarantined by hard core pornographic images, fetish).
Many women who engage in lesbian interaction do so to please the men who behold.


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cold wrote:
It should not be called feminization. Best term is Transgendering.

negative ideas are attached when we use terms in such sense.

As your sentence says that a man goes through phases, this is transitioning.
Feminization of a man cannot happen, but transgendering.
A man is masculine already, he cannot be converted into feminine but can be made confused.

When I wrote that I was actually thinking in terms of historical developments but I guess it applies to one man as well.

Man (as in men and women) has subordinated himself to ideals which are not affirming him. That would be like a woman subordinating herself to a man who is abnegating her existence.
She would only do so if she is the daughter of men and women who abnegate themselves as well, being of their quality in blood and having been bound by a life-denying spell as well (ideals, to spell it out into another word).

All this began before they were thinking in identities based on 'gender' or 'transgender'.
Reducing an identity to a word like gender which is all and nothing in between and everything but tied to something real nor deed is already a symptom of this development named feminization.

Slave-morality-dominance-fallout-retardedness.

And man is born with a sex but that's a potential which has to develop.
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Soldiers get training to divide their tendencies and instincts from Self and fear is suppressed through the ideal of sacrifice, not for blood anymore for which many would sacrifice to continue blood lines, but for the State. Shaming Natural reactions as cowardice, suppressing ego being absorbed by the super-ego.

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cold wrote:
For example Soldiers are made confused, they don't become feminine.

I've heard that living in a continuously stressful environment makes the body produce 'feminizing' hormones. Makes sense to me. If your body is constantly exposed to threats, physical and or psychological pressure and there is no fight or flight option to end the attack then there is only surrender.

- Well, we deny us that fight or flight option. But then that's smart domestication. To know the animal well and to make it react that way.
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Yes...in boot camp the first 3 weeks are about maintaining a constant level of stress in the recruits. It is meant to break them down, to overcome their resistance, their ego, their masculine energies of thymos.
Fatigue is how they reduce their resistance and make them ready for "training", indoctrination.

The U.S. uses external threats to achieve the same effect.
Internally submission is preserved with Nihilism, and its multifarious manifestations, which levels all natural divisions into a paste, a soup - meting pot.
The stress makes the members pliable, ready to submit to seek safety in whatever direction is then given to them.

When the army is made-up of heterogeneous elements, as in multicultural armies, the direction is towards the institution itself, the army, the troupe, the unity.
The soldier is ready to give his life, if not for family or culture, which is absent as in Modern armies, then to his mates, to the army itself...or to some vague noetic idea(l) - Nihilistic idea(l) contradicted by world or lacking any reference point. god is another example of this type of noumenon...nation is another, freedom another.

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40:24 - 41:50

"The human larynx has now descended into the mid-throat, enabling more complex control of sounds... Now one doesn't need to rely on one's own personal experience. You can now borrow another's experience from those whom you can communicate with."

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"[North Eastern Siberia] Now humanity makes another, final, leap. The human made cave paintings are evidence of symbolic thought - thinking beyond the here and now, beyond only survival."

The modern will reside here - trapped in dasein. They do not experience reality directly and then create their own symbolic abstractions, instead they rely on dasein and then use that dasein to determine who is the topmost authority, the meme creator. This is Baudrillard's map, signposts leading to more signposts and back again.

Communicated to the populace are memes that are designed to appease anxieties they would otherwise feel with current affairs. Comfortable in dasein, the basis of all he thinks are symbols never confirmed to him through phenomena.
By a government collecting taxes and answering to votes, the symbolic dependence of the government on the populace grants the populace some feeling of relief - mutual dependence. (Side note: What of those who reap the benefits of this relationship but give nothing in turn? Corporations...) This is why criticizing or attacking the government evokes so much hostility, it is attacking this relationship they depend on. However, they work in jobs that give nothing in return but symbols of value, then use these symbols directly in exchange for the goods they themselves would have otherwise had to create or take for themselves.

Then it falls on those with enough awareness, courage or need (through pride) to face the debasement they're born into, to see reality for what it is - their dependent positions. (Perhaps this even happens to some degree in families)
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There is a typified reductionism founded upon a unilateral framework of lies as an instinctive preservation to efface the fear of amplified uncertainty and variability and, whether causal or effective, the inability to command oneself through it.
Obedience then must be sought by externalization, or institutionalization, and where and were any agon exposed which could potentially undermine this veneered security it is counteracted with supplicated reappraisal.

I'd delineate this physio-psychopathology as "messianic complex":
an indigestible and liminal (fragmentary) idealistic servitude, whether there is carried and exhibited an accompanying heredity and, or, spirituality or not, to a degree of listlessness and passivity arrogating itself tantamount to a Sovietism and cohort Americanism behind which lurks a potential fear of disillusionment.
In other words, these external, totalitarian, institutions for which emancipation is coveted, saviors as it were, from whatever symptoms and historic misrepresentations modernity has dealt therein and its subsequent interpretations, might not be what has been expected according to its forma mentis, whereby all notions which expose an antithetical transparency must be censored.
In summa: it is a hope and resolve for an indeterminate something better on the other side, but the other end isn't a clean slate either.

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Rationality cannot exist outside symbolic thought.

When one applies rationality to the world before them to solve a problem or find patterns, they first create symbols for the phenomena and their behavior and then try to reason a way toward the desired goal.

When one tries to appeal to reason in another, it relies on a similarity of experience to succeed.
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I’m time-pressed (I’m always friggin’ time-pressed) so I haven’t paid the attention I could or should to events.

Question: Is there anything in the agreement prohibiting Iran from using the sanction relief (100 to 150 billion) to buy a ready-made atomic (and delivery system)?
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A frequent pattern that occurs with modern day romantic relationships is the setting of a rendezvous between two ex-lovers.

It is need and nostalgia, when both parties are single, that bring these ex-lovers to a meeting point.

If one of the two has 'moved on', then it is curiosity mixed with a subtle desire for personal vengeance, as well as to re-affirm past decisions.

The male, in this case, from a point of sexual frustration, wishes to regain his honor, particularly if the termination of the relationship was not under his control, how is this achieved? Domination, he seduces her once again. Otherwise, another way he achieves this, is if she has transformed into a fat, resentful fatty... This is more subtle form of domination.

On the other hand, if he was not able to dominate her, he may engage in self-delusions, rejecting his emotions. "She's an ugly bitch. Glad that's over." Ofcourse, he could also be honest with himself.

She might even have become more sexually attractive, having lost a few pounds, and now dresses herself in sexy, revealing outfits. She goes on about what a wonderful, productive year she's had, how she's travelled the world, tasting all the wonderful flavors diversity has on offer. If this was the case, then lets just say she might as well have had her heels on your head while having you stare at the pussy you once had... You emasculated son of a bitch.

The female has other motives which include (economic and emotional) security and maintaining social alliances. The male who returns for a rendezvous exposes his need. A male who returns to a female, who's fucked other guys after a breakup gives the signal that he is still prepared to invest his own time and energies to her. She will readily exploit this, and him? Well, he might just be able to pass on his genes when she gets saggy.
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Henry Quirk wrote:
I’m time-pressed (I’m always friggin’ time-pressed) so I haven’t paid the attention I could or should to events.

Question: Is there anything in the agreement prohibiting Iran from using the sanction relief (100 to 150 billion) to buy a ready-made atomic (and delivery system)?

I think Iran would have considered that option. Maybe it's not that easy to get that material and its not a money issue. Because energy wise I see no reason for them to build a nuclear power plant. They got quite a lot of oil which they could use to produce electricity - that would be their best option I'd say. So I think they really just want the bomb and not the energy+the bomb.

As for that embargo, the way I understand it they have been trading with China on a gold basis for some time now (gold in exchange for oil). And if I'm Iran and try to get some fission material for money/gold/resources then I'd try Russia and China first. Lots of reactors in those countries and maybe less of a Joo lobby but I'm not sure about that.

Maybe they already have it.
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Stalagmites wrote:
A frequent pattern that occurs with modern day romantic relationships is the setting of a rendezvous between two ex-lovers.

If the man was not in control of the ending of the relationship then he can't seduce her with a date.

Scenario - Woman still loves man and man is indifferent towards her.
They go on a date.
Why?
Did the man propose it?
No, obviously not, why would he. If he's an actual man, psychologically, and he wants to be kind then he knows that this would only raise hopes in her which he could not fulfill - his heart has no room reserved for her. He'd only go out because a stupid pseudo-romantic idea along the lines of that's what he's supposed to do.
Or he wants to hurt her but then he wouldn't be indifferent.
Or he's psychologically very feminine in certain regards.

The reverse scenario is usually quite different.

Ex-lover date happens -
99% of the time man is being played or plays himself.
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cold wrote:
For example in Symposium
Certain shemales are discussing.
They don't have have guts to openly declare their queerty.
They use pathetic theories of soul's devision into two, to bapitize their narcisism. (  culturally accepted hatred of women  ).
And note that these terrible shemales call heterosexuals as transexuals/transgendered.

Wasn't me. I only made 1 tiny little post in there.
I only hate women sometimes, and I dont ever recall saying anything about a soul divided in two. Also, I dont believe heteros are trans, just feminized.
Who is this shemale you refer? Erik? I dont think he posts in Symposium. This is going to be juicy.
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The meaning of life is in the mirror.

To ask "why?" or "why are we here?" is to ask for a cause.

The reduction of possibility to certainty (of any degree), from which the idea of a cause comes from, exists only within.... the you in the mirror.
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Fang,

I'm inclined toward Iran ringin' Putin up, purchase order in hand.

Putin would sell a missile for no other reason than to give the finger to the U.S.

Anyway, no one, anywhere, seems to know the answer to my question, so I'll just have to hunt down a copy and see for myself.


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The U.S. has a worldwide restriction on buying and selling nuclear weapons.
Only Israel was permitted this "right".

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Given sufficent cause, not seein' Putin abiding by such restrictions.
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Iran is more China's "friend".
Russia cannot openly challenge the U.S....not yet.
You saw in Ukraine what happened when they took back what was rightfully theirs.

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Satyr wrote:
The U.S. has a worldwide restriction on buying and selling nuclear weapons.
Only Israel was permitted this "right".  

And even then they had to announce it through unconventional methods with Vanunu's 'whistleblowing'.
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