Elitism refers to the presence of a excess of the noble principles in a an individual, which would then incline him/her to relate to a group of individuals who are alike.
The type has manifested in different way, throughout history. The environment determines how this psychological type will express itself in any given time-period within particular socioeconomic circumstances.
As a theatrical example of the type, presented in an exaggerated, and a symbolic (metaphorical) form to pronounce the traits and how they would express themselves in a Modern (urban, western, capitalist - nihilistic) environment we have Harrison's [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. A perfect caricature, presented in three distinct modes: young man/man/old man.
The female variant has not, as yet and to my knowledge, been adequately represented in art. At least not as thoroughly as the male variant has.
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Lyssa Har Har Harr
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I am still waiting for Lyssa or perhaps even Satyr to give a concise definition and explanation for what noble elitism is.
I want to know what noble elitism looks like when it is applied.
Noble elitism is the calm born of cold discrimination and bold self-awareness. A Heightened consciousness that has observed, analyzed, lived, experienced, vast spectrums of life, raises it to a knowledge and a far-sightedness that puts distance between it and all the rest. This "distance" is born of honest "clarity" with oneself and the world.
This "distance" is not the same as the "distance" in the ladder of the corporate elites who have climbed via capital, and for whom maximizing capital is the sole end.
A Noble elite is a creative individual. He "creates wealth"... in the form of capital-irreducible art, visions, philosophy, etc.
He distinguishes himself from the rest and the plutocratic elite because of his overflowing spirit - his abundant consciousness, which is his real wealth and power. His spirit is masculine and it Wants to distinguish itself and stand apart - not simply for the sake of standing apart (in which case you get the decadent hipsters and such specimens recently posted), but in the aspiration of seeking clarity about himself, in the aspiration of self-reliance to define his freedom.
And the most heightened consciousness is born of knowing your past, and the chain that made you possible. - Which is what you confuse for "outdated living in the past", or "going back to stoneage aristocracy"...
This will be news to you that Nietzsche himself said, aristocracy is not just about being blue-eyed and blond-haired - which your best pal Neon advocates and funnily you don't take him to task for it,,, but an aristocracy also of the Spirit. - Know Thyself.
The Plutocratic Elites live to enjoy privileges and are a function of it, whereas the Noble Elite bestow privileges; they determine the highest value beyond pain/pleasure, from their strength and their deeds - the Plutocrats merely try to capitalize on it, parasitism. Privileges are a function of the Noble Elite, and not the other way.
Perhaps the noble elite is more a state of consciousness, than a list of dos and don'ts. In that case, the noble elite could be living virtually any sort of lifestyle, though some lifestyles might follow from it more than others. If so, I think I have an idea of what that sort of consciousness might be like.
Lyssa Har Har Harr
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What I said elsewhere applies here; Spartanize your needs, Romanize your desires.
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Is he a drinker or smoker?
Is he a gambler?
Does he own his own business, or work for someone?
Is he a womanizer, or would he stick to one woman?
Whatever doesn't impede the heightening of self-clarity and is not an ends in itself is upto how the noble gathers knowledge - by sitting in every nook and corner.
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Can he be a homosexual, or a pedophile?
A Hedonist cannot be a noble elite.
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Would he vote republican, democrat, libertarian... something else?
He may vote whatever furthers his ends, without identifying with any of the above.
Satyr wrote a thread called Timocracy, look it up.
Elitism refers to the presence of a excess of the noble principles in a an individual, which would then incline him/her to relate to a group of individuals who are alike.
The type has manifested in different way, throughout history. The environment determines how this psychological type will express itself in any given time-period within particular socioeconomic circumstances.
As a theatrical example of the type, presented in an exaggerated, and a symbolic (metaphorical) form to pronounce the traits and how they would express themselves in a Modern (urban, western, capitalist - nihilistic) environment we have Harrison's [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. A perfect caricature, presented in three distinct modes: young man/man/old man.
The female variant has not, as yet and to my knowledge, been adequately represented in art. At least not as thoroughly as the male variant has.
Why is it that this cultural, spiritual, and intellectual noble aristocracy you speak of has historically sold itself into what is known as the modern oligarchy or plutocracy?
How did that transformation take place?
What are some specific noble principles?
What does it mean to be noble?
Satyr Daemon
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Why is it that this cultural, spiritual, and intellectual noble aristocracy you speak of has historically sold itself into what is known as the modern oligarchy or plutocracy?
It never has.
The oligarchy is made-up of the base. Those who can only find self-esteem in controlling others.
Ambition, dear boy. The base have base ambitions.
Plato's Philosopher King will have to be thrust into power, because he will not want it.
Your Joker wants attention -t o be seen, to make a big bang.
Hannibal seeks anonymity. He toys with people only to enjoy the game himself. He wants to not be seen.
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Why is it that this cultural, spiritual, and intellectual noble aristocracy you speak of has historically sold itself into what is known as the modern oligarchy or plutocracy?
It never has.
The oligarchy is made-up of the base. Those who can only find self-esteem in controlling others.
Ambition, dear boy. The base have base ambitions.
Plato's Philosopher King will have to be thrust into power, because he will not want it.
Every so called philosophical king I've seen in history that has been described as that has certainly wanted power.
Are you sure you're not falling for the trap of idealism much the same way as Plato did?
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Satyr Daemon
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On the one hand you say that the noble elites don't want to control people yet on the other hand you make it pretty clear that everybody else are just toys in their devised games which invokes control.
On the one hand you say that the noble elites don't want to control people yet on the other hand you make it pretty clear that everybody else are just toys in their devised games which invokes control.
I'm confused here....
If I play or manipulate a dog, do i want to tame it and have it follow me?
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Satyr Daemon
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On the one hand you say that the noble elites don't want to control people yet on the other hand you make it pretty clear that everybody else are just toys in their devised games which invokes control.
I'm confused here....
If I play or manipulate a dog, do i want to tame it and have it follow me?
Hannibal is so intelligent, so much more aware than the average human being, that he perceives other humans as being, essentially, dogs - or lambs. This is why he has no problem eating other humans. It's like how we go fishing, have no problem gutting the fish open, cooking it up on a frying pan, and then devouring it. We think of fish as dumb, possessing no soul, etc. Hannibal sees most humans like that.
Nobility is possessing integrity, courage, fidelity, honor, and so on.
Samurai are good examples.
I think Satyr's nobility is centered around intellectual and moral-excellence as opposed to economics.
Satyr Daemon
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Hannibal is so intelligent, so much more aware than the average human being, that he perceives other humans as being, essentially, dogs...lambs. This is why he has no problem eating other humans. It's like how we go fishing, have no problem gutting the fish open, cooking it up on a frying pan, and then devouring it. We think of fish as dumb, possessing no soul, etc. Hannibal sees most humans like that.
Nobility is possessing integrity, courage, fidelity, honor, and so on.
Samurai are good examples.
I think Satyr's nobility is centered around intellectual and moral-excellence as opposed to economics.
yes...and who does he kill?
Those who insult his aesthetics...those who are rude.
Hannibal is so intelligent, so much more aware than the average human being, that he perceives other humans as being, essentially, dogs...lambs. This is why he has no problem eating other humans. It's like how we go fishing, have no problem gutting the fish open, cooking it up on a frying pan, and then devouring it. We think of fish as dumb, possessing no soul, etc. Hannibal sees most humans like that.
Nobility is possessing integrity, courage, fidelity, honor, and so on.
Samurai are good examples.
I think Satyr's nobility is centered around intellectual and moral-excellence as opposed to economics.
For me nobility is an illusion and delusional thinking at best.
What I am trying to find out here is how noble elites are at all different from the modern version of an oligarch or plutocrat.
They like to describe themselves as noblemen also.
Hannibal is so intelligent, so much more aware than the average human being, that he perceives other humans as being, essentially, dogs...lambs. This is why he has no problem eating other humans. It's like how we go fishing, have no problem gutting the fish open, cooking it up on a frying pan, and then devouring it. We think of fish as dumb, possessing no soul, etc. Hannibal sees most humans like that.
Nobility is possessing integrity, courage, fidelity, honor, and so on.
Samurai are good examples.
I think Satyr's nobility is centered around intellectual and moral-excellence as opposed to economics.
yes...and who does he kill?
Those who insult his aesthetics...those who are rude.
Your garden variety common serial killer does the same.
Does that make them also a noble elite?
Satyr Daemon
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Hannibal is more discrete and sophisticated than the average serial-killer. But he is an ironic character, I will admit; there is nothing classy about eating someone's face off raw, or skinning someone's face off and using it as a mask. That's pure savagery. But at the same time, you will see him acting sophisticated and classy when he is not killing. You wouldn't expect him to be a brutal killer if you just saw him sipping on wine and reading some classical literature.
Not sure if I would consider him a noble spirit....
Satyr Daemon
Gender : Posts : 37245 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 58 Location : Hyperborea
Hannibal is more discrete and sophisticated than the average serial-killer. But he is an ironic character, I will admit; there is nothing classy about eating someone's face off raw, or skinning someone's face off and using it as a mask. That's pure savagery. But at the same time, you will see him acting sophisticated and classy when he is not killing.
He does not kill out of passion ad indiscriminately...and he does not kill all. He actually finds some who he thinks have potential and attempts to mentor them...to teach them, to cultivate them - to free them from their domestication.
He does not want to change the world because the world is perfect as it is. He simply shifts his sense of self. He has a refined sense of identity.
I find it interesting that the "Joker" who pretends to be tough and dreaming of Armageddon, will associate, so lovingly, with the poor victims of Hannibal's tastes.
You are more a wannabe Batman, than Joker.
Your laughter is pretend. You use it to draw eyes upon you.
