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I almost insulted that guy for that very post today, but I held back. I found it unbelievably annoying.

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apaosha wrote:

I'd have bumped it, but it's locked. They want it buried, but are too pussy to simply delete it.

I can imagine it collects much needed hits for the website which raises its value. Carleas obvs needs it.

How is Ireland, apaosha? I would love to visit.
Do they still farm massive amounts of potatoes over there?

Did you know the lead singer of Disturbed is Jewish?

Oh yeah? Mine's got holes in it.

I am in the midst of a heated exchange with some trendy lefty on ILP called siatd 2. He just won't admit that some cultures do not mix well. Any criticism of other cultures is 'racism.'

It's here:

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Yeah, place has a tendency to attract 'touchy feely' types who don't want to offend anyone. Unless, of course, it's white males and Western civilization, then it's open slather.

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apparently the folks at BCforums gave you a pretty hard time.They didn't even bother to read your essays. even though they have a section dedicated to philosophy ,hardly anything related to philosophy is discussed.

Recidivist wrote:

[...] America (the simulacrum)[...]

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[...] as it has been created to shelter and protect the weak and stupid [...]

Is that your impression of America? Then come to Germany indeed! If you want to find out what real socialism looks like, multiculturalism included. My experience was quite the contrary. I saw more poverty in America than here. The living standard of the poor was lower than here. There were high school students starving. (I even heard of suicides. Lots more brutal violence amongst youth, to hospitalisation, in a small town even.) With no furniture in their homes, no food in their refrigerator. (Why they kept it running? I don't know!) I got to know people who worked multiple jobs to sustain their families. They built their own houses. The US made me wake up to a harsher reality than the sheltering I experienced here. (This has changed since then too.)

So I agree with the aritficiality of the US (McDonalds, fast food, Disneylands and all the same companies taking over the middle class. Hollywood brainwashing.). That everything is similar.

With my family I've got to admire the vast landscapes and beautiful National parks.

The host family I stayed with, were people with jobs you'd consider high paid in Germany. BOTH of them working. And they didn't live like wealthy people here do, more avarage or slightly above. But with the income people with those Jobs would have in Germany, they'd be considered rich. And it would show!

I agree that the person you refer to must be a retard, but I think she doesn't know better. I had a US girlfriend visit me here in Germany and it blew her mind pretty good. She should leave the US and experience some other countries, if only as tourist.

I am glad to live in Europe, but I appreciate some things about Americans: their practicality, their sense for survival (which was weakened here due to sheltering). Of course the experiment of Socialism isn't working, why the EU is going down the drain. And it is getting more harsh here too day by day.

With the bailouts, the common currency, all the agreements to help other countries out, the constant willingness to expand the EU, integrate more and more, poorer and poorer countries.

Some of the members over at ILP lately have been getting a bit uppity in regards to some of the members here.

It's hard to get much of an argument out of them as to why they hate the place so much. I mean, I know why they hate it, but they can't seem to mount a coherent argument in regards to that hatred.

Today the US with its Hollywood dream factory is the strongest meme in the world. The US is Progressivism. The future. Europe is the past in more than one sense. And the East combine Socialism and Traditionalism (China), why there is no rebellion. They have Traditionalism mingled with Socialism. Europe has a cultural past, but is now doing the socialist experiment on a larger scale with the EU. Maybe the US is too, these days. The thing I care about is personal liberty. Not some overlord system, rules and regulations for every fart. This is what I witness here and found less in the US, in the early till mid 90's. A card or a government paper for everything you do. The judeo-christian meme rules. Europe as a whole, but particularly Germany, carries the burden of WWII. Everyone here has adapted the judeo-christian meme after that, out of guilt and shame. (Merchants) No production, just selling and money exchanges, marketing or social services. (Why our "wealth" is really more numbers, than resources.) The quality of living here is really low. There is enough food still. But the prices are kept low artificially, I read somewhere, so there won't be riots. In Germany WWII is a taboo (just the constant mainstream repetition, of the dates and numbers, with the guilt and shaming narrative). We are cut off from our past! Also the post WWII years are full of shame and guilt and 1968 also. So the generations are devided. No one talks about anything in their past, just some old people, but never to their own kids or grandkids, only to strangers, where they feel less ashamed. The family unit is broken. Then we get all the Africans and some Eastern Europeans, fleeing from their poverty, trying to get our social benifits. 1933-1945 was a time of decline already. And the post war years were awful too. The fascism was bad. And there was a WWI also, before that. The people beat their children. They were overly orderly. Really awful. 1968's anti-authoritarianism was a reaction to that. And now we are in the mess that those 2-3 generations left behind. You either find the 1933-1945 glorifyiers (in eastern Germany mainly) or those who cherish the liberal and egalitarian spirit of 1968 (the rest of the country). NOBODY who is past that and can see both extremes and find a third path. (Like this "New Right" in the US). This false "democracy" is the compromise. So yes, the USA may be more rootless and genetically inferior to some lineages of Europeans. BUT the World Wars were game changers, that one should not underestimate! Especially the Nazism and Holocaust memes, that weigh way worse than the crimes of the communist regimes (in the Mass Media simulacrum), even if the numbers of deaths are lower. Hilter got made into the personified evil and not Mao, or Stalin. (Who are openly worshipped in Germany even, by some Leftists.) Hitler was a socialist too, so the targets are other memes like Nationalism, maybe Paganism.

I read some Spengler. And his prediction too may lack one component: the mass medias: radio, television and the web. He couldn't foresee that. And so the radio was the simulacrum and then the TV, then the internet (and the Hollywood movies still) for the past years. This is leading to an overall unification. Borderlessnes isn't just a geographic reality anymore, but also a memetic one. The Internet is the Nousphere. The matrix, the hyperspace. Whatever you may call it. The (collective) soul of man. I am thinking of Bladerunner and those Cyperpunk stories. You really have to log yourself out of the matrix, to be free (but it gets harder and harder to do). This is really the challenge. Outdoor hobbies and activities, trekking, and so on, in nature, seems to be the last refuge. Biking. Camping. This crazyness about women also gets less, once one experiences more nature. Women are nature. Nature is women. So one might as well sit under a tree, instead of wasting ones time with women. This would solve some of the problem, since Feminization is LEAD by women still. They are the willing servants of the Simulacrum as it is. Men (even the feminized ones) still rebell here and there. Our spirit isn't completely broken yet. But it's going downhill fast.

They're still getting uppity over at ILP.

Yeah, the mere mention of Satyr or Know Thyself sends them into long winded rants.

I will respond to the post that brought me here tomorrow morning GMT - I'm a lover not a fighter, so don't fret none

Satyr wrote:

I cannot set this cow straight...but who shall go there and stir that pot of feces?

Just for fun.

Set me straight on what? and for what reason?

You know I don't take 'online' seriously, so will it not be a futile attempt...

Satyr wrote:

Fuck!!!
Lyssa got me involved again.
She got my Dionysian side all in a huff.

She is amazing.

The Paganism-topic is closed. Some quotes from that topic, worth saving:

Lyssa

What does it mean to be pagan? It means man's primitive spirtuality and more broadly his primal becoming.

It's modernism that makes men ambitious, drives him to excess.

"It is only persons of firmness that can have real gentleness; those who appear gentle are in general only of a weak character, which easily changes into asperity/harshness."
[Rochefoucauld]

Now, that said, a Pagan Ascetic - with no need therefore to dominate others - can now freely dominate others Detachedly, Indifferent to the Outcome irrespective of pleasure/pain, gain/loss. He is not ruled by these slavish concerns. He is curious about self-excellence, self-perfection, how wide he can expand, multiply, grow, command everything as a joyful affirmation of his self in everything to whatever degree.
The most Imperialistic Pagan would be a man RICH in passion and lust and self-overflowing and contradictory drives but who has all this in BALANCE. Asceticism is self-possession.
Asceticism that teaches impoverishment and dwarfing of the heart and soul and spirit and shrinks self-horizon is so J.-Xt. and Nihilistic. It is ruled slavishly by its passions, its hunger and sense effects, while Asceticism in the Pagan sense is to Rule over them.
Lets not confuse self-tranquility and deep contentment with unambitiousness.

Individualism is about being responsible for yourself, being as selfsufficient and selfrelient as possible, knowing you're not the same as another due to peculiar ircumstances and genetics noone else quite has, know what is necessary or right for others may not be necessary or right for you.

"The honor of this world can't give you any honor. What exalts and maintains you in truth must live in you yourself. If you lack the supports of genuine inner pride, then it will profit you little, even if the world applauds you. To the vain you may grant fleeting praise and ephemeral fame. However, let the most sacred thing for you be to be able to stand up to your­self." [Theodor Fontane]

I did say that it was in response to a specific post, in one of my DMs to you Satyr.

I highly doubt that one would find peace from the madding crowds here Lyssa, and their responses to my moderation amuse me at the very least - I will respond to the offending post, but I fear I lost the will to care to...

Lyssa wrote:

So I was right; you are looking for peace.

No, and No.

Satyr wrote:

In the last Smear-stain, we get an example of how feminization produces men-children, so effete, and dull, that they consider Lyssa masculine...and she's one of the most feminine women I know.

See, if I were there I would probably call the man-child- a retarded, pot-smoking, turd-stain...and that would get Mag all wet.
Then the turd would reply with something smarmy, insulting and typically post-modern adolescent...and then I would respond...and finally I would be banned, whereas Smear-Stain, would be reprimanded, with a firm-hand...but will not be banned...for he is a valued member of mediocrityf.

Let's be honest. I would never get reprimanded at all, let alone with a firm hand. I've never even been warned. Not even once. Ever.

Satyr wrote:

We know one thing for sure...other than that shit-Smear is all talk, Mag should not moderate anything but her interventions, Blurry is horn(y)...and Morono is someone who visits or who is a member here.

Oh, and ILP is populated by imbeciles.
Ya know, for a bunch that prides itself on their group's popularity, I don't think more than a dozen actually participate there.

6500 members?
Garbage.

Um? All talk?

It's a message board dumbass.

You know these kids can tell when you're grasping at straws. I've accused you of being substanceless. Defend it or admit you're like a kid throwing rocks and sticking your tongue out.

Real sad bro.

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posted a thread for the hell of it. responses have been crap.

smears is so dumb it's almost unbelievable.

The easy conclusion is indeed homophobia or the threat of another man's sexuality.

It's funny - when you criticize other groups, the technique is rarely (ever?) used. Criticize Jews? Nobody tries to pin you as a repressed Jew.

Only in the case of gays - because everyone (even ILP women) understands that getting dick up your ass is shameful in the extreme.

Thanks. I had seen it. I might keep going with it later. For now I'll just think on the fact that it took 47 posts before someone even grasped my basic point!

Dealing with these people and the way they respond to things - it's like you're trapped in a mad house.

What goes on in their heads when they read something? Do they think? Can they think? Doesn't seem like it.

Seems more like they let their eyes drift over the words, waiting until they hear a "BZZT!" noise inside their heads that lets them know it's time to react. Homosexuality.. "BZZT! HOMOPHOBE!"

Super-moron Helandhighwater suggests:

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I'd suggest you start with not using old fashioned psychological terms like alpha and beta, and then proceed to a conclusion from just some people are more likely to acknowledge gay as not being a threat to their manhood or whatever.

Yes.. first you have to limit the set of tools you can use to think about reality. Like children, "Class! Class!! Does everyone have their premises? Yes? And the manual on proper concepts? Good. We have a specific conclusion we want to get to, you see."

I must say, I only came here to see what you all had to say about those of us you deem inadequate.

Pretty much the usual blustering and bluffing. You guys are cute Have fun.

How do you not read over the things you have previously written and realize how much you sound like a fifteen year old boy with anger management problems?

Oh right, because there's always some walking vagina behind you to worship you and reinforce all of your misconceptions about yourself. What a wonderful existence you lead

I know you are, but I'm happy to see you finally realizing it.

What can I say? I'm the kind of person who cares about other people, even if I don't like them very much. I'm all about the betterment of the individual through self-discovery, and if I can help you with that in any way, I'm willing.

I'm here for you, man.

I hardly think coming to your forum is "following you around", but I understand your need to make it appear that way, and I don't hold it against you. Honestly, I was more interested in seeing what you've done with Lyssa than anything. I'm a nosey, curious person like that. After your utter failure at keeping Natalie in your pocket, then your inability to keep me interested despite the Skype and facebook stalking, and the subsequent shit-talking you've done about both of us since, I had to wonder if you'd try again and if this female would be smart enough to see through your shit. It doesn't seem to have occurred to her yet that you're a waste of her time, but I bet she'll get there. I have faith in bitches.