Whatever meaning liberty ever had, disappeared long ago.
To me, liberty is something like what Jung said about destiny. "To do gladly that which I must do." What I mean by that, is that the kind of liberty which I think of as important, is to be able to live according to my innate characteristics as an individual/organism. A lion is free when he can live the way his innate characteristics drive him to be.
For a social animal, that doesn't mean to be separated from all other individuals and to do whatever it wants to do just as long as it doesn't infringe on the other individual's liberties…. Maybe I'm someone who wants to infringe on the liberties of other people. If I'm not allowed to do that then that's not free after all.
What I think of as freedom is something like species-appropriate living. But that term is still too generalized for my notion.
Neither is freedom for free. An individual of a social species who separates from its particular sub-group is likely going to pay a price in some form. Just as it is forced to pay a price if it subordinates itself to the group, or if it tries to dominate/lead the group.
I am thinking about an ecology. A man-made society should be like an ecological system. Such systems evolve and there are established balances which gradually shift over time. A dynamic system which keeps on balancing itself.
In nature if there is a small pond, and that pond is artificial and separated from the rest of the environment then it can happen that the balance of the pond, its ecological system, breaks down. It becomes a waste land, a toxic dump. The reason is usually the dominance of a single organism which destroyed its own environment by its strong domination producing an unbalanced state which can't be corrected anymore.
I'd say it comes down to group size. Officially, the party-line is talk about the human species as one group. And the larger the group the less freedom for any individual because it's about finding the lowest common denominator. No balances, just one eventual toxic dump.
Cold Weasel
Gender : Posts : 275 Join date : 2012-05-25 Age : 39 Location : East via West
Here's a Dropbox link to Part 2, requested today by Slaughtz. I recommend becoming a member of Red Ice so you can always access the 2nd parts of their discussions.
When males lost control over female sexuality, with the innovation of this egalitarian mythology, the entire process returned to the whims of females. Men who became successful, in the sexual sense, were the ones who pleased females, fawned over them, satisfied their every need. Attraction, in our time, has become entirely feminized. Men also attracting a mate by using feminine methods. Men become preoccupied with females and attracting them...and more importantly they become obsessed with keeping them, as trophies or as accessible resources. This is the situation we are in presently. Pleasure for its own sake...once the purpose of the act, and its gratification, by satisfying the need underlying it, becomes the only purpose - the manimal spirit.
And once the cost, the price, to female sexuality was diminished, then females became masters over men who must now perform, knowing that they are denied their own sexual advantages. As the cost for female sexuality decreased the costs for male sexuality increased, or morphed from a life risk to a lifelong cost.
The pervasive lie, repeated by idiots in every corner of this decaying system, is that evolution works on some random system; blind chance replacing the "selection" part. I experienced this perspective recently in the ChatBox when a moron, by the moniker of Moooooo(Mo), had the popular "epiphany" that with race mixing, by some method of random orgy-like copulation-fest, something greater than what is would come about. For that imbecile, chance encounters, guided by monogamy and physical attraction - notice how this contradicts the previous thesis or Jewish eugenics - genius will emerge, as if by magic. The underlying idea here is that all men are born with the same potentials, only inhibited by the environment, and that nature is inclined towards producing intelligence, as if there is some hidden motive, some divine force, directing evolution.
There is very little one can do with such stupidity. We cannot cull it out of the gene pool, so the only thing left for us to do, under these "Democratic" circumstances, is hope that female awareness will choose according to the desire to breed a higher being. Given the mental qualities of the average female we're returned to chance.
Let's face it most women think they are free, "liberated" when this is the furthest thing from the truth. Their "intuitive" choices are not so intuitive. Socialization, institutionalization, infects her psyche.
Eugenics is Evolution controlled by a human ideal. Ideals are what men produce - memetic spermatozoa. Females are guided by natural selfishness, directed by pleasures evolved to function intuitively, instinctively...randomly. They cannot think beyond the pleasure, because pleasure is how their body informs their mind that something good is happening. Their neural networks - with the brains as its hub - is dominated by the physical, the cellular informing the conscious. No lucidity is required.
Once the environment alters, due to male interventions, these intuitive drives are guided by artifices, and if they avoid institutionalization they remain fixed on natural standards. But natural standards (genetics) applied to human environments do not necessary produce the same outcomes, and memetics are not necessarily in harmony with natural standards (in nihilistic systems, which use nihilism as a method of mass control, the opposite is the case: the meme is in contradiction to the gene).
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Anfang
Gender : Posts : 3989 Join date : 2013-01-23 Age : 40 Location : Castra Alpine Grug
A woman is always quite open for influences, that's her nature. It's difficult to compete with modern communication technologies in terms of influence. If that were cut or restricted then things would be quite different in that area. Especially women are hooked on social media.
Satyr Daemon
Gender : Posts : 37196 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 58 Location : Hyperborea
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Anfang
Gender : Posts : 3989 Join date : 2013-01-23 Age : 40 Location : Castra Alpine Grug
Nice find. As I've said: People want to expose themselves. The Jew wants you to know what he is.
Only Jews are permitted to speak....and so listening to Jewish dialogue, whether it comes from Heisman, Weinninger, Spinoza, Chomsky, Antzmon, Schlomo, Pinker, Marx, Freud, Finkelstein or whomever....and you will find the truth being revealed. Sometimes not as directly as in this conversation, but in some form or another.