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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyTue Oct 11, 2016 4:02 pm

Morons cannot understand how objectivity is a degree of subjectivity, just as strength is a degree of weakness.
Science works on passing judgments and then applying them...evaluating the outcome compared to the expected.

Science is a product of the human mind.
Life works that way.
Life learns, builds reliable experiences, by evaluating the consequences of past choices, against the outcome.
The outcome can be corrupted when an external factor intervenes...for example, if a moron gets pregnant with a black guy, believing race does not matter, and there is no institution to protect her choice, then the consequence will be a below average intelligence baby, that will be outperformed by other children.
But in a protected environment she may demand special considerations to make her wrong choice right - to reduce the costs of her bad choice.
If, for example, a father purposefully loses in a game, to his son, the son will never learn to play the game, convinced that he is already a master of it - undefeated.
This is what sheltering does.
It cultivates, easy, pleasing, sensations, that inflate the ego, support the psyche, and make it unable to survive in a world, that simply does not give a shit.  

If a slut gets pregnant and there is no institutional support then her judgment, her life choices, will result in a consequence that is not debatable.
She will live with the consequences of her value judgments, and then demand social support to reduce the costs upon her.

If a soft soul chooses to have a Down Syndrome baby, then their judgment will have consequences which they will live with...and when they die they will leave behind the testament of this judgments.
There is no debate over what is healthy if nature has her way.
No philosophical conundrum, no vote, no subjectivity can protect you....unless there's a system, made up of institutions, protecting you from your own mistakes.
Then you can choose to have ten Down Syndrome babies, and die believing your choices were as good as anyone else's, that your kids are just as good as any other.

Right makes Might is the scientific method.
Nobody votes on it, nobody considers the moral implications, unless it is to be applied.
Right, based on experiences, posits a judgment, tested over time.
If this judgment is truly accurate, more precise, then it holds might over a judgment which is based on feelings, and desires, and moral considerations, and dependent on a sheltering system that allows morons to continue believing in whatever stupidity makes them feel nice.
Consequences, not "I say so" is what determines the superiority of a value-judgment if there is no sheltering, external factor, mitigating and adjusting the costs/benefits.

A dog bred to be nice and cute, by humans, will perish when left to fend for itself in the wild.
It's cuteness is meaningless, in the wild, when there is no other evolved to respond to it.
A lion does not give a shit how cute and fun your dog is.
There's no debate over the morality of its demise.....no voting among canines.
What kind of human beings do we think can survive in the world....not are they nice, and are they cute, and are they funny.
Consequences expose the rightness of a judgment, through costs/benefits...accumulated over time.
This is natural selection....the scientific method.
Multiple right judgments, over time, discarding wrong judgments, results in an outcome....a product, something pragmatic and tangible...not theoretical, not magical...not scriblings of signs, one meditates over and feels a change, a biochemical change in himself ....no voo-doo, and psychosomatic, ephemeral, highs.

Science is based on philosophy....it is philosophy applied.
Most of it is nonsense, dealing with irrelevant theoretical contraptions, meant only to occupy the mind with useless activity....mental-candy, offering a sugar-rush, and zero nutritional value.
It's usually, a method of expunging excess energies, in minds so safe, so secure, living in very controlled, predictable environments, that the mind becomes bored.....wanting to release energy, wanting to numb itself from the stress of it.
Excess energies accumulated not because of self-worth, but because of sheltering.

This produces "positive" Nihilists, like Abrhamics, Marxists, Humanists...etc.

Then we have the other sorts...those born with weak genes, exposed to harshness, excess stress early on, so that they break, they become damaged, or they flee inward.
These are seduced by pure nihilism, they are honest Nihilists.....dreaming of pain shared by all. their misery they wish upon others.
Their own fragility makes them feel as if all those who can endure are privileged, when in some cases they are not...it is they who lack the fortitude of psychology, of spirit, to endure.
They then make it their mission to not commit suicide, but to impose their fragility upon others....they want to convert them to their skepticism, their weakness, their distaste for life and existence.
They want to make then uncertain, frail, dependent....needy...children.
They hate themselves but cannot bring themselves to admit it, so they project this hate upon those who do not hate life, and existence, accusing them of some ploy, of lying, or of being, like the first group, spoiled rotten.
They want to destroy the world because they cannot endure thinking of others living on, despite what it is....they cannot kil themselves, or motivate themselves to rise, so they want to bring it all down...

This is where I get the pure nihilists, the honest feminine ones, and the hypocritical 'positive' Nihilists, who find the world, as it is, too much to cope with, so they invent an abstraction, a lie, a word/symbol, to cover it all up and make it tolerable for them.
So desperate that they need medication to cope.
These, as well, canot tolerate thinking of people who do not need such crutches...so they want to assimilate all into their fake reality, their made-up world, their fantasies, used to deal with reality.
Inside this faked reality they inflate themselves into gods....because words is all it takes when words need not be applied, or the concept, they refer to, need not be tangible, pragmatic.
All theory.
Feelings...sensations, ego.

All their theoretics culminate in an esoteric experience...you feel the evidence, you sense the proof of their words, you surrender to sensationalism, impressed by how easy it is, how pleasing....how wonderful that the mind can affect the body in such mystical ways, when it cannot affect anything outside of it, using this technique.
A tree cannot be affected, neither does a dog find a symbol magical....
Only a human, moved by internal, repressed energies....fear being the mother of them all.
How fear can be converted to universal love is one of the magical tricks of alchemy.

All this has been covered in depth....

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyWed Oct 12, 2016 1:17 pm

Little boys raised in comfort, speak of need/suffering like little boys speak of war, only having experienced it in video games, in artificial reality.
Little boys, soiled rotten, find other spoiled little boys, and share their gaming experiences.
Then, one day, little boys come across a Nietzsche, or the commander, who makes their little chests swell with machismo, with that masculine pride, one earns in battle, or after experiencing a trial....
Little boys like the feeling.
Like little ducklings, newly born, they imprint on the ones who made them feel so masculine, like adult men.

Unable, and unwilling, to place themselves in a situation where life and death is not s certain, suffering goes beyond their familiar feelings of being a bit uncomfortable, shy, or hungry, thirsty, lacking sleep, having a tooth ache...little boys form cliques of common experiences in the artificial gaming world, where each one has an avatar, and they can role play, and regurgitate from movies, or from books, repeating script, acting out what they can never fully appreciate...because they are stunted, retarded, spoiled brats.

Which new Hero will add to their dead ones?
It's only a matter of time before a new icon will inspire their little boy fantasies...never forgetting their first love, the first one who introduced them to a world they knew nothing about...like their first sexual experience, and who can  forget their first love?
Are not, in final analysis, little boys so close to little girls?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyWed Oct 12, 2016 2:51 pm

Never read about a movie before you see it.
Never inform on another's opinion by reading reviews.
it will taint your experience.

Do not little boys read about life before they've lived it?
such naive boys become enraptured by the movie experience, having been shocked and awed by what they know nothing about, have never before heard or experienced.
They exist the theater imitating their favorite character, usually the movie hero.
That night they dream about it.
Next morning all is made magical, with distance.
Slowly it fades, and they have to reinvigorate the experience by seeing another movie with the same characters.

The world they exit into is another movie set.
Their preferred reality is back there, in there or four dimensional space, projected with light, in dark air-conditioned rooms....what reality can match the exhilaration?
Dull they feel, in reality.
All is insignificant, Bland
They need a narcotic, to dull the disappointment, or an accelerator to make the real seem like a movie reel.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyThu Oct 13, 2016 10:41 am

Yo, Yo Yo, my snizzles...here be progress , know wut I'm sayin?



Dey be arrested?
Damn, dat wrong bra.
Wut da paulice hav to do wit it?
Damn, if dem queers can have it why can't dem?
It's all consensual...progressive....it all about value giving.
I axing yus...
Now dey crimina?
Shiiiat....dan ain't right, yo.
Dat bigotry, know wut I'm sayin'?

It all subjectiii....subjectiiiiiiz....it all personal yo.
Who say dat wrong....not me.
It da man.
Know wut I'm sayin'...

Dat be da futa my snizzles.
Get to expand yo mind, know wut I sayin'?
Get it out of the midd ages.
If it be good fer dem, who are we to say....

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2016 1:47 pm

Very Special FX wrote:
The cancerform thinks it can talk about loyalty, friendship, leadership - It has gone too far already, it is already terminal to the organism that developed it...

The filth makes accuations I see only now that MagsJ linked me back here to see how pathetic that cancer is - but as I lay my eyes on the cancer, the cancer is just that, cancer - and all that touches it needs to be be 'treated' -

My loyalty and leadership that the cancer presumes to speak of, is exemplary by any historical standard, I always stand by my friends, I have given my appartment to Sauwelios so he could live with that stunning girl of his, I have supported Pezer until as long as he needed and will again, I always back my friends - first of all, because I have friends, and quite a lot of them, and all of them are loyal, as I am to them.

The cancers, I.e. cancerform-Lyssa and cancerform-Stayr, find that life is just a joke. I have no doubt that they will finds their deaths the same way.

I recommend, for that reason, again that the cancer be cut out entirely.


PS - MagsJ - I mean it literally. I see these critters as disease, the filth they like to turn over and over in their mouth is rot. I appreciate that you look down on them so deep you cant even see them, but then you arent the one whose friends and work they are trying to smear, with all the wretched life-ish force they have in the worm-muck that passes for their hearts."

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That Fixed should want to see My form everywhere and entertain me this way with his paranoia,

says he positively doesnt want me to have him any other way, it seems… that makes him very special…

for trying so persistently...

After 1, 2, 100 times of telling Fixed, I'm Not Eyes Wide Open, he insists on exposing his ASS WIDE OPEN, and MagsJ swallowing up any piece of flattery that Fixed provided, when he said, "I suddenly realized how cool you are Mags"…. its all it took, and Mags now does Back-Jobs for Fixed-so-OPEN… is auto-confirming what a crack-house ILP has become…

Cancer??


I am not the RETARD who said

Fixed wrote:
Bixesual is usually simply extremely sexual.

Greed is good.

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Someone propounding statements like that, encouraging pedophilia and lesbianism, and bestiality and necrophilia and what not as simply "extremely sexual"   HAS AIDS!!
Maybe mothers and sons, and fathers and daughters, and brothers and brothers, and brothers and sisters committing incest would simply be called "extremely sexual"… why not?!

An Immune Deficiency SIN-drome…


Stop spreading your AIDS Fixed

You can plead for the right to speak of cancer later, when you are cured of your own pest-i-lens...


Satyr? and your company? A retard XT. MORON WYLD who is preaching the entire opp. of VOt and yet you have to suffer him because quantity of friends is everything, and some PEZER calling it quits and getting Hysterical like some orgiastic female at the slightest mention of National-Socialism…

What the hell?!

Philosophers?? ! I laugh…


Pathetic weaklings with low immune walking around shamelessly justifying the murders of communism and its heart-voidness called "brotherhood" nurtured on flattery like throwing bones to a hungry dog is NOT even close to anything close to philosophy or art or ethics or even your own ain-sophy, idiots… even SHITE has more value than what you call philosophy.


Now that I have you diagnosed for free, flatter that genius friend of yours, who has a cure for AIDS, he'll service your dirty laundry for free.


What have you become? tsk tsk…

Now WE have you REDUCED TO BEGGING and manipulating the moderators there for banning us…

That's what you have become…


A spineless wyrm.

And with no spine, you forfeit the right to speak of heart. period.

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"ἐδιζησάμην ἐμεωυτόν." [Heraclitus]

"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

*Become clean, my friends.*


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2016 2:09 pm

Maj is a perfect example of how words can be discredited by actions. This almost MENSA member cannot help but expose her true mental quality, in the choices she is proud of, and by how easily she gives-in to gossip and simple flattery.
After so many years in the privileged, and much coveted, post of moderating a, so called, philosophy forum, I cannot find one single instance of her superb mind at work - something dazzling, impressive, and not base, mediocre.
I can only hope that her theoretical "genius" finds some outlet among her peers - in bars, high-end restaurants, dance-clubs and fancy soirees, her wit admired by minds on her level.
If only she would share it with all of us.

God bless you Mag.
I'm glad you are you.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2016 2:27 pm

Special FX wrote:
I have given my appartment to Sauwelios so he could live with that stunning girl of his, I have supported Pezer until as long as he needed and will again, I always back my friends -

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Who cares abt. all that you do, when they all typically lead with you to a pattern of,

"Look how much I did for you, you Ingrate"


at some point or the other…

Like you showed it to Maniacal Mongoose
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So much for the semantics of your "noble generosity".

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

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You could almost miss things like this.

The other side of the coin.

Mags when caught and exposed for her double-standards on Latinos by Eyes Wide Open,
uses the back-door and PMs Fixed to do her fighting and defending for her, in the pretext of pointing out a "joke".

Why does she call Fixed and point out that thread to him?

If Fixed congratulates himself on buying off Mags with flattery and manipulating mods to rule the forum via them,, Mags is no lesser using Fixed and Smears and those like them, like her puppets to do her fighting for her and ruling through her minions

Use-Valuing.

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is repeatedly held forth as the bogeyman, sometimes he is advocating rape, sometimes he's an "objectivist", other times he's a Nazi, and now the christian uses him as an example of censorship.
I am not advocating rape, I am simply explaining the reason it evolved as an option; not an "objectivist", as men-children define the term; not a Nazi, as I am neither German nor a nationalist, nor a socialist, and I most certainly never banned anyone.
Funny that the way imbeciles define objectivity makes me the opposite.
I am not rational because I hold the ideal....there is no absolute ideal.
No absolute truth.
Degrees, sweet imbeciles, think in degrees.
Trying to make me unsure of my own positions to make idiocy equal to what I consider superior reasoning, may work on women and the "kids" but not with a half-beast, like me.
How I establish what is superior, discerning it from what is inferior, - what is more probable and what is not - has already been explained. I will not give private personal lessons, offering tear-jerking personal accounts....to reduce it all to emotionalism.
I simply cannot waste my time like I used to.
Neither will I proclaim myself "genius" to impress and seduce feeble minds, because that's what Nietzsche, supposedly would have done...although the quote below shows humility beyond my own.

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Impressing others using bombastic language, promising things you will never be able to deliver, using convoluted rhetoric to imply mysterious hidden power, to make little boys and girls salivate, is beneath me.
I cannot, and will not, prostitute myself, for a moment of pleasure.

Banishment means you are excluded from a forum, as far as I know.
On KT we categorize, placing each participant in a place appropriate for his style of thinking, and expressing himself.
We never stop them from posting.
We quarantine types into spaces they can more adequately relate with others of their kind, without disturbing the rest who may have different motives and styles of expression.

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Nihilists need that either/or absolutism, placing all in neat little categories in their tiny brains - good over on this pile, and the evil on this one.
With such a simplistic arrangement the slightest similarity will immediately create an emotion, and the emotion will complete the judgment - good/bad.
This subjectivity, requiring no objective criteria, is why they insist on making subjectivity a uniform universal standard.


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I am more afraid of being understood by feeble-minded psychotics who would twist my concepts into ways for them to deal with their insecurities, as many already have.
What I am saying is far worse than the average moron can sense, and though I have openly stated it with clear and simple language they, to my relief, have only partially grasped the implications, or of what they've gleaned they could only relate to some pop-cultural depiction of some hypothetical historical event, or some historical icon, translated to them by some "benevolent authority".

If the present condition of the world does not disturb you, then KT is not the forum for you. Go back to gossiping, and sharing anecdotes about how smart you are, and what a happy productive life you are living.
Masturbate, get high....leave.
Who cares?
Return to the throng.
Not only am I not interested in helping anyone who cannot help himself/herself, but I urge them to follow charlatans, selling dreams using pretty words full of positive messages; shuffle-off like hungry zombies, hearing voices in their heads, ascribing it to an external monster, a foreign will...a god.
Regression is not only expressed as feminization but as a return to the Bicameral Mind - regression as the softening of words, converting them from steel tools to plastic toys, for little girls and boys.
I want them all in large herds, where I can study them and know where I can find them.
I want them to imitate my style and use my metaphors, thinking they've overcome.
I enjoy watching children play....m only issue is when children vote, affecting me with their childish judgments and infantile, fantastic ways of understanding world.
That's the "problem" I have with retarded psychotics...but I've figured-out a way to not be as affected.
I turned lemons into sour/sweet lemonade.
My only concern now is for my son.  
I have to teach him how to deal with brain-dead zombies, and schizophrenics hearing voices in their cavernous heads.
I need to train him to recognize and deal with the variety of creatures this modern world has made possible - how to save his blood from emotional vampires and give it for noble causes.  
That's my one and only "problem", now.


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It's most interesting that my usage of the concept Hellenism has been translated, by morons, to mean nationalism, guided by their own red-white-and-blue way of looking at the world.
Nationalism is a simplistic form of tribalism.
Mine is defined by a harmony between genes and memes.  
Modern nation states are not that.
I have nothing but contempt for modern Greece and think it has little in common with its glorious past, just as modern Egypt has little to do with its own ancient past.
anybody who has actually, and honestly, read my posts, would know this.
Modern Greece is infected by Abrahamism, and stifled by 400 years of Turkish culture, that never allowed the country to go through the stage of enlightenment.
The country today, other than having a language with over 2000 years of continuity, is a shadow of its past, but the embers are still present.
Calling me a nationalist exposes the reader's understanding of Hellenism.


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I immediately know when a simpleton has no clue what I, as Satyr, am saying, and is simply and easily sampling from his memories of words I used, to connect them with his/her own understanding.
If I were to waste my time correcting each and every one of them, individually, in private lessons, I would never leave my house.
But, who cares, really....imbeciles shall be helped to remain imbeciles.
 

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I am no Messiah.
Not only can all others not be "saved", but they ought not to, even if they can be, but cannot find it in themselves to save themselves.
Let them live in ignorant bliss.


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I'm setting the record straight for any silent reader who may be confused by the words of a christian hypocrite.
I will be whatever the myriads of morons want me to be.
I'll put on any person-suit they want - I'll wear any uniform they need to make sense of me, and then I will play with their mistakes, or correct them, if, and when, I please.


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Calling me names will not help you deal with the views I am presenting, if they are truly objective.
Doesn't matter what you think of me, when you cannot challenge my views with anything but infantile reasoning, and child-like tactics.
Ignoring me will not help, either, if indeed my views are objective.


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I never promoted violence. I promoted the end of sheltering weakness, allowing nature to take its course.
Bad judgments, produced by inferior minds ought to enjoy the full benefits and, also, pay the full costs, otherwise you get minds like the chimpanzee and her word-juggling performance trying to embarrass objectivity.
I do not create what I describe, I only expose it.
Whether I am alive or dead, or if I am allowed to speak or silenced, this will not alter anything about the real world I've made my duty to un-cover, whether I, or anyone else likes it, or not.


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I've never been in a popularity contest.
If I wanted to, most who now despise me would want to be my friends.
Never wanted allies, preferring the isolation of battle against greater odds - it's a thrill.
Always been a bit of a lone wolf, but with age man changes.
That like-minded individuals the world over were attracted to my views, and the way I expressed them, was merely a side-effect of my over sixteen year participation on forums, and an adjustment I've had to accept as part of my duty to now accommodate others tactics, and other styles, in the same war against Nihilism, and the decadence and retardation it produces as part of its collateral effect.


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KT is not my forum.
It never was.
Some imbeciles like to believe KT is populated by Satyr and his sock-puppets....going so far as to presume Lyssa is another moniker Satyr is hiding behind.
Who cares, when this exposes the quality of their judgments?
Simpletons believe that because their own delusions are based no emotions, and shared insecurities, and submitting to authorities, that this is how everyone is.
They only know pleasure and pain - coercion and manipulation.
Threat/Reward.
Because their own indefensible positions are founded on self-serving flattering, motives, they assume this is so for everybody.


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Apaosha was kind enough to offer it for me to express my positions.
We never claimed KT was democratic, or an open forum, and still we've provided special areas for such open exchanges. We've made the Dungeon , an area where we isolate the unruly, or those who troll and only come here to avenge themselves with childish antics.
The Agora still remains accessible to all who would post an opinion, even one contradicting our own shared values.
Unlike forums who claim to be about philosophy, or democratic and open to all perspectives, we never contradicted our own principles, because we never pretended to be that.
Ironic that nihilists claim to be representing these high-minded ideals and then break their own principles, whereas we, who piss on those duplicitous principles, are more representative of their spirit, but not for the same bullshyte reasons.
We tolerate not because we value all equally, but to compete, to test, and to expose.
We are just, and fair, not because of some moral code, but because it is in our nature to seek out the highest and to give it the appreciation it deserves - we are noble.
It's why we appreciate our enemies, and hunt them out, wherever they may be hiding.

We do not obsess, we go where the prey is - even if in a protective enclosure, a barn, or a gaming reserve.  
We never banned anyone who came here in good faith, offering a challenge.
And those who do so should not expect to be treated with a velvet glove.


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We quarantine those who disrupt this process, for psychological reasons, and who exist, in their minds, in a world other than the one we all share.
There's nothing to be gained by engaging insanity.
Some minds are beyond salvaging, and are not even good as challengers to test our views.
Yet, we still never ban them.


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The forum itself is a venue for sharing, self-cultivating, and expanding shared values.
We never claimed to be like other forums, open and accepting, and respectful, settling for numerical validation.
Our numbers are few, as expected, as desired.
We seek the rare, not the mediocre, the insane, the common, the everyday, out there in the "real world" where people pass each other by, sharing platitudes and fake smiles, repeating the same lies, like parrots, like brain-dead zombies.
If we wanted that, why come on-line, when the world, as it is, offers nothing but this - why would we, like ILP, want to be a reflection of the "real world" bullshyte, of pretenses and faked politeness?
If all that was in our mind was the collective narrative then why come here to repeat it, over and over?
If all we wanted was to be controversial to gain attention, then there are better, faster, ways to do so.
Why come to a tiny, insignificant, part of a vast internet space?


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Holding me, us, accountable to your standards is to be expected, but when not even you can abide by your own standards then that is simply....Modern.
Symptom of nihilism is self-deception - lying to self is what moderns do best, beginning with self-flattery, and ending with declarations of victory.

By the way....if Satyr's views are objective, if they have substance, then he is no longer necessary for their continuance.
He seeks no accolades, no rewards. He speaks because he cannot keep silent, before so much stupidity.
He overflows with anger against idiocy, lies, hypocrites, pretenders. He despises, most of all, those who self-deceive, to deal with the world and then sell this deception as a virtue.
That level of decay sickens me.


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Never wanted to lead, or to be a guru.
All I wanted was, like all humans, a bit of respect and appreciation from those I gave of what I had.
I did it in the most honest and simplest way I knew how.


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This forum is not about me. It is about something grander, more noble than an imperfect, fallible half-man.
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A rebellious act, among the blind, the comfortably numb, the willfully insane.
My act of social transgression was taken-up not by choice, but because I could not abide by the silence, before so many lies, and so many marketed delusions.

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Perhaps, unlike Frank I did not have enough fear in regards to being understood.
Maybe that's why he is now a dildo in the anus of men-children like Ollie and Iakob, and poor emaciated Pezer, and I am hated or misinterpreted, by desperate imbeciles, the world over.
What if, like him, I were to use that Literature knowledge, to cloud it all in insinuations, and references, mental-midgets could use to convert me, into another Semite, or, why not, a Christian reformer?
Why would I not prefer to be seen as a Christian?

With no world to direct interpretation how would we know what was accurate?
Even his "theoretical" misogyny, by current standards, can be redefined so that his words, and the imagery, can mean anything.
Maybe he was a feminist, ahead of his time - afraid to speak his mind so he pretended to be cruel towards the fair sex.
What if, modern females can twist it that way, with a bit of ingenuity and crazy creativity?

What if Salome saw something vile, when she chose Ree instead, something modern worshipers want to explain as her fault?
What if the idol had a crack, all too human?

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How much of his frailty, his pain, could she tolerate, and how much of it would he share?
Can you imagine Frank smiling?

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I can't.
This is the closest he came in a moment of jest.
The two have a faint smile...he?
Does he look "happy"?
Does he look like someone who can "let go", and be in the moment - Dionysian?

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A sober, sexually inexperienced, intellectual, who, by today's standards, would be ridiculed.
Now the icon for drug addicted, sexually frustrated, obsessive imbeciles, and cowardly Judeo-Christians, looking for a reason to be proud, and to feel strong.

How much more would he have hoped to be misunderstood, more than he already is?  

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Who did she "settle for", either by choice, or because she was rejected by the "icon", the every man's modern ideal, Nietzsche?

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What if, like the Bible and Nostradamus, and the Delphic witches, I were to speak in parables and metaphors, letting the reader find in his own personal experiences, his education, his life, his family, a reason to adore me?
Jews could claim me as their own, and Christians, in time, and desperate nit-wits, looking for daddy unlike their own., - but better, deeper, more ambiguous.

What if I were to cloud it all in psychology, knowing that there lies the ailment of the modern, so called, philosophy?
Then I could pass on messages, by offering insights into current psychosis, and remain misunderstood by the average, desperate, nincompoop, who did not want to interpret me in a way that would hurt his own feelings.
How much easier it would have been, if unlike early Socrates, I did not offer my mind to degenerates and feeble-minded cowards, born in decadence and filth?

Yes...easier.
Like Nietzsche's leisurely stipend.

Instead, I worked and I let no doubt remain as to what I thought.
No doubt , at all.
Not a single escape, for those trapped in my mind.

And now, as things stand, children and women piss on me, thinking they will drown me to silence.
So, be it.

The person suit came off and can be put back on again....time will fade the memory of what was said, and a new game will have begun.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 10 EmptySun Oct 16, 2016 4:52 pm

I wonder if they handed out stipends for free like alms in the University back then…

I guess N. never Earned it owing to his intellect, and that too from his Superiors, not his peers, in his 20s.

And the constant poking that Dionysian is modern ghetto, or that N. wrote in some mystical parables shows the level of impressionability ILP has left its inroads into some people.
N. is extremely responsible for how Fixed and co. behave,, just as one should suppose how Satyr is responsible, given his "extreme clarity" and "pages of definition" for how Sander/Turd and other imbeciles make of his writing…
And in moments of clarity and conscience, hasn't Fixed admitted himself, his project is Not Nietzschean? He knows its not.

These are cheap shots.

I can respect a man overcoming and smashing all idols,
but doing so, using lies, smear tactics, and so much pretense to blot them out unfairly, on a philosophy forum, is better left to their own reflection.

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Concerning Intellectual and/or Nihilistic cliques, based on the pyramid scheme....
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Yes, but in this case the product is intangible.
It is idea.
So payback can only be a feeling, an emotion, exchanged using words/symbols, or it can be converted into money, an abstraction that can represent anything, tangibles and intangibles.

I think of it as a trickle-down, power pyramid.
The seller is really part of another's pyramid, but also the peak, the pinnacle, of his own.
New recruits, converts, trickle down appreciation, positive emotions towards him.
The seller is the recipient of emotional positivity, which he offers to his own pinnacle. The one who initiated him into the idea, and made him a part of his power pyramid.
The seller, now the start of a new power pyramid, is the pinnacle of a new power clique.
He is the center-piece, and the recipient of whatever the clique uses as a code of exchange.
He stimulates them with positive feedback, positive reinforcement, to keep them addicted, stuck within his pyramid.
There is no tangible product...it is all abstraction, so words are how the exchanges are made.
It's all magical.
A hierarchy based on an intangible idea.
Often useless outside the contexts of the pyramid scheme.

In this particular one Nietzsche is the pinnacle of the entire pyramid scheme.  
In others some other icon, some other famous figure, like Jesus, might be the pinnacle.
The icon is the selling point. The celebrity, used to market the scheme.

The code needs the pyramid because without it the idea vanishes...the pyramid dissolves.
Words are like mortar keeping each member, each triangular boulder, in its place within the pyramid.
Triangle is the triad of reason, passions, will or Body/Mind/Nervous System

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The large pyramid has, at its pinnacle (A), the icon, in this case Nietzsche.
Within it there are inverted pyramids, reminding us of the Jewish symbol.
The smaller pyramids place the leader at the bottom (E) and the followers at the top, trickling down whatever they use as exchange, but usually, in Nihilistic pyramids it is intangible, abstract, using codes...words.
(E) is the priest, the shaman type. He places himself in the shadow, within the A's pyramid.
A-B, and A-C represent the limits of A's ideology.

Each seller/pinnacle (E) also has a mentor, someone who is the pinnacle in a pyramid in which (E) is but a member....see figure (b).
They promise to make every member of their pyramid a pinnacle in their own pyramid is what is offered as the reward.
It's a power structure using semiology instead of actions, or tangible phenomena - it's all theoretical, abstract, noetic.


(E) Inverts (A) ideology creating within its contexts a negation.
Think of Saul in relation to Jesus.
Jesus (A) in the greater pyramid within which Saul (E) inverts (A) and creates a following in contradiction to (A)
Everyone within the D-F-E counter-pyramid is the Nihilistic clique - the power pyramid, tricklnig down to (E) positivity, emotion, or even money: words, symbols, any representation of code.
Words, hold power only within the context of the participants in the pyramid. It is powerless outside the pyramids.  

Think of (D) & (F) as belonging to both Nietzsche's upright pyramid and (E) inverted pyramid. either seduced or misguided or lost, or whatever.
(A) is the context within which (E) seduces and exploits them.
At the same time they are the pinnacle of an upright pyramid, reflecting/imitating the iconic one.
They want to be like (A), the inspiring icon, but are, at the same time, part of an inversion of the icon.  

The primary icon receives nothing...he is God-like, at the very top.
A "perfect" icon, an ideal holding the entire scheme together with its words.

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How does one attack an idea he does not comprehend, or has ever bothered to understand?

By casting allusion, implying, thrashing about by throwing words like one throws stones, hoping some find their mark, imagining that they have done damage to the incomprehensible which we feel as threatening.

How does one ensure his nonsensical, or rehashed ideology is never threatened, remains impregnable to critique, allowing only praise to filter through?

By keeping it as vague as possible.
By claiming the threatening critique simply did not understand, or that it is incomprehensible to anyone who threatens its "purity".
By mystifying it using words, symbols, that evoke emotional responses.


Solution...
Define words/symbols.
Use words/symbols as tools, as they were meant to be sued:
Connectors of mind to body - representing nervous system/brain.
Connector the previous to world.
Use words to connect the abstraction in the brain, the noumenon, with phenomena.

Phenomena limit the usage of words.
World imposes order upon the mind. It forces it to do or die, to reason or to surrender to emotional insanity.
It forces sobriety upon the psyche.
It is the gravity that pulls a flighty imagination back to the ground - the earth.

Only from such a grounding can the mind explore upward and outward, remaining firmly attached to earth.

If, on the other hand, exploiting human frailty is the goal, then the previous pyramid scheme is for you....a "philosophical enterprise".
Gathering flakiness, from the seven winds into the ego's sack of hot-air.
Gathering leaves, broken off from branches, attached to trees with deep roots, to create a beautiful tapestry to walk upon.



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Chimpanzee translated into Human

Down to Earth
A) Americanize it.
B) Dumb it Down.
C) Emote.
D) Use simpler language.
E) Gossip - sharing feelings.
F) Lower your positions to my simplifications - accept my starting self-evident premises as your own - it does not matter what you think, or what you actually say...if you want me to discuss anything with you, you are obliged to begin by adopting my views as your own....because I can't really think outside their limits. I'm stuck in a mental loop {see A & B}.



Dasein
A) Thrown into Human systems - thrown into society.
B) Hocus-pocus get out of a bind, for-free, card.
C) Tabula Rasa. Clean Slate. All is born with zero genetic programming. All is learned.
D) All is a social construct - all is political. All is learned.  



Huff and Puff
A) Intimidating
B) Unable to accept my delusions.
C) Negative passion, other than my own.
D) Easy way to ignore another.
E) Anyone who insults me.  



Scholastic/Didactic
A) Too complex for me to understand.
B) Way over my head.
C) Confusing.
D) Complicated language being used.
E) Every book I ever read on philosophy.
F) What comic-books are not.
G) How I hide my inability to comprehend.
H) Reminds me of my own retardation.  



Abortion
A) What I wish my mother had done.
B) My dream - out of the uterus abortion.
C) Pet project.
D) Mind Candy.
E) Source of my private pain.  



Humanity
A) World. Universe.
B) God's other name. Name for the absolute.
C) Reality.
D) 'All is god's will' translated into the secular, 'all is human will'.
E) Based on the Abrahamic...the good, the moral. To be human is to be moral in the Abrahamic sense.
F) Group of legitimate voters who decide what is real.



Might is Right
A) Fascism.
B) Objectivity. {see objectivity}
C) Reminds me of two of my faults: absence of might and not being right.
D) What Democracy negates with We are Right.



Right is Might
A) Individual being correct instead of community voting in what is correct.
B) Not empiricism, or the scientific method.
C) Has nothing to do with an advantage gained by the one being correct, over others.
D) Another way of saying Might is Right {see Might is Right}
E) A change in my usual cut & paste routine.



Democracy
A) Ideal. Perfect
B) Replaces "I say so" with "We say so".
C) Quantity over Quality.
D) Where I hide my stupidity and feebleness.
E) How reality is voted in.
F) What creates world, now that God is dead.
G) what protects me from a brutal and unfair world.
H) How to change the world for the better. But I may be wrong  Wink
I) How we decide what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' - morality.
J) How I change my mind to adapt to trends, fads - enlightenment, open mindedness.
K) Marxism under a new, softer, kinder, name: socialism.
L) Authoritarianism of the masses.
M) How the lower-common-denominator rules, and unifies all with a shared identity.        



World/Reality
A) Society
B) Economy
C) Morality
D) Humanity
E) Human constructs
F) Words objectivists use {see objectivity}.



Reason
A) God's Will.
B) Alternate name for soul/spirit.
C) What I have little of.
D) Skyhook.  



Ideal
A) Absolute
B) Perfect
C) Whole
D) Certain
E) Omnipotent & Omniscient
F) Another name word meaning God.



Nature
A) Mythology
B) God, the absolute.
C) What lies outside subjectivity, in other worlds...nothing.
D) What I am indifferent to.
E) Another word - another contraption. There is only socioeconomics and politics. All else is scholastic didactic...{see scholastic/didactic}
F) What only humans are free from.
G) What communally sanctioned "experts" talk about.
H) What is decided in a vote, full of compromises.  



Subjective
A) World.
B) Reality.
C) "I say so", rather than "you say so".
D) Perspective, judgment, equal to any other.
E) Freedom.
F) No past, no nature, no problem.
G) Equality.  



Objectivist
A) Confident.
B) Able to defend his views.
C) What I am not.
D) Anyone challenging my subjectivity.
E) World beyond human socioeconomic political systems.
F) Anyone denying the perfection of Democracy, my Ideal.
G) He who understands life beyond culture and civilization.
H) He who claims there is such a thing as human nature - rejects the tabula rasa hypothesis.
I) He who denies the starting premises of my delusion - rejects them as 'self-evident'.
J) Everyone that hurts my feelings.
K) All that results in conflicting goods - including life in general.
L) Whoever does not show the proper "christian" humility, and willingness to compromise, no matter how ridiculous the alternative position.
M) Whoever does not constantly change his/her mind.
N) Those who are not Nihilists.
O) Anyone who does not accept perspectivism as the parity of all judgments, as a starting universal premise.   


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Naivete is what Nihilists are most proud of.
It's their "innocence" that makes them unwary "victims" of a world they deny, and forget.
Their motives are always childish, for the sake of fun, pleasure, for exploring their own imagination, and how creative they can be when nothing hinders them inside the protective sphere of human systems.
Abiding by the rules of adults, they adjust their gamesmanship, pushing the boundaries like little rascals.  

Fearless, before a reality they can manufacture and evade into their magical word-mazes.
Paranoia is a dis-ease they cannot relate to, being so carefree, so brave before what they are ignorant of.
Creatively playing with words, manufacturing alternate realities to reign over - he with the most vivid imagination gets to direct play.

It's all about humanity, and how to affect and seduce the multitudes into playing their private game.
Their "power" never goes beyond the boundaries of humanity - the frontier within which symbols, words, metaphors, have an effect.
Outside these premises they are impotent, helpless, innocent little children, who simply do not know any better, and only meant well.
Easily hurt, fragile, like all boys and girls are, and resilient - they bounce back after every set-back when they are protected from the worse implications of their failed delusions.
They reboot, tweek their fantasy worlds and return, even more confident than before, reinventing themselves as easily as changing their clothes and adopting a updated, hip, style.
They forget the numerous mistakes of the past, the embarrassing errors in judgment, the pains, as all children do.
Every so often they are reborn as a sphinx out of the ashes of a past they reject as irrelevant.
Experiences happened to that other character, now surpassed and left behind - new adventures in foolishness await them.  
Their real strength is exposed in how easily they are bruised by the slightest hint of a world outside their fantasies.

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Trump reminds us how a spoiled-brat, a well-fed charlatan can motivate the hungry, the lost, the desperate.
He feeds from his excess, and his excess was handed to him.

How, using a lost brother, and hidden resentment towards a father, he can convert this into a simile for dealing with his narcissism in relation to those multitudes he needs, to feed into his delusions, and cares nothing about.
Pretending to care for those he would soon spit on when the winds shift.
 
The mark of a salesman, twisting his own insecurity into a shared desire, a social movement; converting his own lack into abundance, lost in a cavernous desire for what he has yet to face, on his own.
Adopting, regurgitating, imitating what he knows will sell among the lost and the desperate.
He does not intent to follow through with what he uses to seduce.
He deserves more than what he sells.

He seeks in other what he cannot find in self, and other always lets him down, turning his ire into a condemnation, he goes to the next, having already forgotten.
He lies, as if it were true, and then attacks the one exposing him with an accusation of hypocrisy.

The outcome is as predictable as thunder after lightning.

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Philosophy has been so corrupted by Nihilism, that it has become eroticized.
Now, understood, as “love of wisdom”, rather than “friend of wisdom”.
Roman linguistic interpretations have passed on an interpretation of Hellenic thinking that we now associate the paganism, Hellenism represents, with Latin infections, dis-eased by Arahamic infection.
We moderns, understand wisdom as genius, and openness to other, as erotic passion, blind to everything contradicting subjective desire.

Φιλο = lover, mad blind passion, need multiplied by the desire - both lack and surplus producing self-contradicting processes.
Σοφια = genius - excess intellect of leisure made possible by protective, sheltering, institutionalization.

Friend of pragmatic knowledge, is defined in accordance to Modern infections as blind passion, unleashing excess brain-power from its suffering in ennui - overflowing.

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An Abrahamic mind, desperate to mask its essence, its nihilistic rejection of world as void of absolutes, of human ideals, to harmonize the incompatible one/nil paradigm with nature, the desirable idea(l) that annuls the real, must lie.
He must pretend, manipulate ignorance, and linguistic confusion - he must hide his Abrahamic spirit, or reserve it for the clique, the initiated - the lowly fishermen, pulled away from hearth and family to be converted into followers.
It's only option rests in the confusion of words, after he has detached them from their original utility, their function, and conveniently converted them to ambiguities, now susceptible to emotional effects.

How else could he merge the icon of Jesus with the icon of paganism into a magical "one"?
How else could he return the idol breaker, back to the broken shards of a broken idol as its replacement?
Reinventing Judeo-Christianity by using the very noes that destroyed it, for the common man.
For he speak to a commoner, mesmerizing, impressing, delicate, impressionable, desperate minds with old methods, adjusted to modern circumstances.
Did not Saul already perform this memetic alchemy?
What are we witnessing with the emergence of new Messiahs, but a repeat performance.
A post-Christianity, Marxism, Judeo-Christian, Islamic rebirth.
Repeated drug usage makes the body immune, less susceptible....the drug, the opiate, has to be adjusted - its potency multiplied.
If a virus is to survive the body's adjusted autoimmune system it must find new ways to hide, to mimic the host body's processes - it must become more toxic.
Otherwise it perishes, its is expunged - the body detoxing.

And with ever resurgence of the same dis-ease, a new nil-nullifying icon, ironically calling himself a Nihilists to imply his nullification of human constructs, with no references outside human brains; a new idol-shatterer is born, until the day when frontiers will make the cycle of health-disease, obsolete, and the final frontier will open up humanity to what it denies, and, now, trembles beneath.

Patterns repeat.
Same old lies reborn as a new-world Christianity, that no longer deserves the title. A new, truer-Modern Messiah is born, making Jesus a prophet, a false Messiah....for those, chosen, still waiting.

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They are so psychologically embedded, so intellectually invested within Nihilistic memes they cannot think outside its premises.
We call it Modernity not to besmirch the current, the progressive, but to expose this current state, as an end state, within a world of inaccessible physical frontiers. This fact alone forces a immersion within, an exploration of esoteric unexplored domains which are, then, guided by the absence of external ones towards the same entrapment, the same desire to adapt to population and resource pressures, using words to claim a piece of the shrinking "pie".
A psychology is shaped by environment, and this one imposes limits to exoteric expunging, forcing an esoteric numbing, or a desperate search for internal escapes into unclaimed territories.
Desperation corrupts the mind with passion. Unable to find anything not yet claimed, it constructs strange new interpretations of the old - it attempt to convert the outdated into something unique, by changing the labels and the packaging, by taking what has been staked-out and inverting it, destroying the original by cutting it into pieces it can rearrange in strange new forms, often so unrealistic as they can only stand in theory, they can only exist and harmonize, fit into cohesive models, in the mind, in theory.
In theory contradictions are clouded over, hidden, behind unnecessary verbal complexities, pretending to be deep insights; mystified by exploiting the human condition and its existential anxieties; its genetic predisposition towards socializing, towards belonging, towards being appreciated, loved, acknowledged; manipulating emotions to stand-in for the missing parts, now swept into mists, of mystical inspiration, synthesizing noumenon with phenomenon so that the latter is no longer required, nor preferred, given the easy, malleability of the former.

Nihilism could only have spread in these psychosomatic constricted circumstances.
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First in the east, through Buddhism, and then towards the west, through Zoroastrianism, that needed the viral boost of Judaism, splitting into Christianity and Islam, due to the west's Hellenic inheritance and its eventual discovery of new, unsettled, unexplored geographic frontiers westward.
We can only explain Hellenic cosmopolitanism as a product of a seafaring people, able to sample exotic products without being threatened by them, because of the ocean barriers, acting as physical and psychological distances.

But what is nihilism?
The simple answer is found in how the mind conceptualizes, how it translates the fluid into static forms, how it interprets flux into abstractions, how it converts stimuli, gathered from phenomena, first into neurological pulses and then into noumena, mental constructs representing the phenomenon.
It is hinted in Jayne's Bicameral Mind, and the slow emergence of self-consciousness, out of consciousness, reflecting the slow development of consciousness out of unconsciousness, through the first stages of automatic reactivity and iteration. Self-Consciousness confusing an organism habituated, over thousands of years of evolution, with an outwardly focused perception - saving it from the discomforts of insecurity, self-esteem, and existential questions.
We, Moderns, are the final stage, the Last Men, in this slow process of emerging consciousness of consciousness, exposing us to a self yet unexplored, and shrinking spaces, divided, contained, monitored, and regulated. Perfect conditions for the spread of dis-ease, both of the physical and psychological kind - both genetic and memetic.
There could have not been Buddhism to challenge Hinduism, without the necessity to control and dominate huge heterogeneous populations, just as there could not have been Judaism to infect Hellenism, with its victim-psychology, its inversions, if not for the inevitable loss of frontiers, and the inevitable necessity for large heterogeneous, populations, living in harmony, to run the mechanisms, to claim territories competed over by others, larger, populations.
Hellenism Cosmopolitanism had to be given an internal, psychological, sea to distance self from others who press, physically, around it, competing for ever-shrinking spaces and resources.

Nihilism is the inevitable consequence of absence. A neurotic reaction to an abstraction finding no reference outside the mind.
A confusion between esoteric constructs, voices, thoughts, and exoteric stimuli, appearances, presence - noumenon mistaken for the phenomenon, itself, just as, once, internal dialogue was confused for divine wills, speaking to the individual.
Originally it defined a world where universals, absolute, were absent, labeling it, with infantile disappointment, as a negative, a nil.
Abrahamic artifices could not placate the demands of increasingly literate and self-conscious minds.
It's physical walls, supported ideologically, dogmatically, maintaining divisions and distinctions, and the strife that accompanies discrimination, had to be replaced by noetic ones - lobotomizing consciousness, fragmenting it, so that no cohesive reaction would threaten its soothing outcome.
This, original, demand that world provide for mind the constructs in its mind, its desirable projections, confusing the pragmatic essence of "love", and "morality", and "ideals", and its eventual disappointing realization of their absence in world, in the child-like way they were imagined, leads to the psychosis of Nihilism. A mental condition necessary for harmonizing heterogeneous populations within a world void of accessible frontiers. Mental frontiers had to be artificially produced, to compensate for this absence of release, so as to internalize energies and stop them from exploding outward, after prolonged periods of repression.

Nihilism is multifarious and easy, because it is not limited by anything outside of its control.
It is hypocritical and comforting, because it repeats what the mind desperately wants to be so.
It is codependent because it requires others to maintain and sustain it, in its relieving detachment, its self-narcosis - the real world dealt with in pieces, so as to not challenge the individual's delusions. Specialization reflecting internal compartmentalization - schizophrenia. The mind's selective detachment from world protected from it, allowing the individual to escape internally, to hide, and to wander through noetic frontiers of its own making.
With no need for a concise model of world, the individual could indulge in selective references, that need not be complementary but increasingly at odds - the costs of this detachment mitigated by a system of sheltering reinforcing the individual's convoluted convictions.Esoteric disharmony dealt with using vagueness, ambiguity, mysticism, verbal conundrums hinting at deeper "truths" that need not materialize, nor be applied, but only cope.

So, what is Nihilism, if he dismiss the common definition as a byproduct of human infancy, and desperation, begging to be given what is most needed?
It is noetic inversion of stimuli gathered when organism (inter)acts with phenomena.
This inversion occurs in the mind, where phenomena are interpreted, translated, into noetic.
What was meant to be used to deal with world is now liberated from its task, its work, to play.
In the mind where external order does not hold sway is where overturning, inverting, recombining in strange ways, begins to confuse the mind, sheltered from this detachment, convincing it of what is most desirable, seducing it with its own fabrications to flea a reality that no longer confronts, but stands in the ready to be toyed with.
With no severity of consequences imagination becomes fantasy, and nihilism becomes a defender to social harmonization, because this supports its desire to detach and remain safe from the world being detached from.

How, else, would nihilism spread and express itself other than by using words, symbols, metaphors?
With a selective reference to world, all that remains are sensations, emotions, abstractions, represented by symbols, shared, triggering the same sensations, emotions in others, creating an alternate reality - a noetic world, uninhibited by anything outside the immediate intervention of human will. The sense of empowerment reinforced when others are seduced, integrated into the noetic world, sharing in its "benefits", protected from the costs.
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Division of Nihilism into two distinct groups representing two psychological dispositions.

Nihilism as inversion of reality, or the negative reaction to a world missing what the mind demands, expects, needs.
What makes life possible is defined as a negative to be "corrected" with human interventions, but because these interventions are psychologically based, and refer to nothing outside mind, they replace reality with an alternate, fantastic one.
An alternate reality completely dependent on belief, conviction, and therefore validated numerically, by how many minds participate in reinforcing its "truth".
World's challenge to mind is replaced by the |problem" of conviction, and maintaining control over as many minds as possible.
Words, symbols, become the code of constructing, sharing, and manipulating these niter-subjective ties.
Phenomena are replaced by emotions, sensations, which can be artificially produces, either internally or using artificial stimulants, that effect the brain directly.  
All is malleable, correctable, when all is abstraction unrestricted by anything external, by phenomenon.
A sheltering system is a requirement, and so supporting any ideology that results in the reduction of conflict, that inhibits the emergence of challenges to the minds "right" to live inside its own fantasies, are vehemently supported.
World's challenge is replaced by competing over the hearts and minds of those who will reintegrated into nihilistic ideologies.
Philosophy becomes a politics - love as politics.      
Validating a thought now becomes a matter of convincing and coercing others, who share in the interpretation of the same symbols.
Meaning, originally describing a relationship of (inter)acting patterns, now becomes a matter of emotional, sensational, appeal.
Reason becomes seductive rhetoric, fabricating Brave New World meanings, by creatively rearranging words, and their reference.

These two distinct groupings of Nihilism are:

Pure, or authentic Nihilism
Rejecting all, annulling all, denying all, so as to replace it with personal fabrications, words, ideals.
Deconstructing noumena so as to expose their artificiality, but never exploring the source of these noetic artifices. Stopping at the negation, opening up a new frontier the individual can create his own, private, universe.
Desiring all to follow suit, so as to minimize the external effects of this fleeing inwards.


Duplicitous, "positive" Nihilism
The most popular form, defining Abrahamism, Marxism, and Humanism, as well as Buddhism.
The most creative, necessitating a competition over beliefs, since the world is not permitted to exact its price for such delusions.
Duplicitous because it must survive within a world it selectively denies and inverts.
Words contradicted by actions, when actions in accordance to convictions would mean certain death, or, at least, a severe self-handicapping.
Self-Handicapping used, as it is always used, to signal "fitness" - pea-cocking. We also witness this in male signaling of their theoretical "fitness' using sportscars, luxuries, material and behavioral excesses.
Within a protective environment this signaling can be a form of false advertisement.
This form of Nihilism negates reality, reacts to the absence negatively, to then replace it with its own fabrications.
It relies on convincing and/or coercing as many minds into its fabrications, its noetic constructs, its abstractions, as possible, because ti has no meaning, no existence, outside if the mind, the minds, that hold it to be "true".
It's appeal is always emotionally grounded, because it lacks any external referent, and so must root itself back in the mind it was projected from - a form of solipsism, dependent on specialized, focused, partial, engagement with world, creating a system of protective institutions, saving the individual from the price of such detachments.
Compartmentalization, schizophrenia, is not only a byproduct, but a necessity, to preserve sanity in a mind that engages reality, in some instances, and then contradicts them in others.

Primary form of self-defense, of "positive" nihilism is duplicity.
Behaving like a virus it attempts to mask itself using the host as a reference, so as to replace world with its own artifices.
Contradicting past is how it reinvents itself, always under new pretexts, new titles, labels, new symbols.
To overturn hierarchies it must overturn meanings, and how the mind relates to world, using the mind's own weakness as its "power".
With no external references it samples from experience recombining abstractions in ways that will offer the most relief, that will seem most familiar.
Its rearrangements expose it to minds not yet integrated into its duplicitous premises. To the rest it appears, at a pleasing substitute to appearances, as a relieving cover, triggering reactions by using words, referring to cultural, emotional imagery.
It's grandiosity, its fantastic, extraordinary essence is proportional to the amount of distress it attempts to manipulate.


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Pure Nihilist vs "positive" Nihilist

Pure, or authentic, honest Nihilist, wants to pull the world into his nil state, hoping for a reboot, a restart that will result in a different future for him.
He begins with a naive, child-like, rejection of past, as the sum of all nurturing, or Nature, believing that his appearance, his presence, his current circumstances are the consequence of sociopolitical circumstances which destruction will "correct".
He denies all genetic predisposition for this would expose him to the realization that no matter the circumstances he can only be what he is, and the same relationships will repeat - in other words that the problem is not the world or circumstances, but him, his inheritance, which cannot help but be what it is in relation to other.
The few who do realize this become the purest Nihilists, who seek to pull down the world because of what they are - reduce all to their feebleness, cowardice, inability to overcome.
The first stage of Nihilism is this naive adolescent belief that destruction will be for its own benefit.
A belief expressed through such ideologies as Anarchy, an offshoot of Marxism.

Duplicitous or "positive" Nihilists, having experienced the despair and disillusionment of realizing the absence of the concepts they demanded of world, failing to find them ready made, do what they must to make existence a condition they can endure.
They manufacture what is absent, such as God, universal morality, meaning, in opposition to what is, and then impose it as a fulfillment of what remains lacking.
In other words, they fabricate absolutes, noetic artifices, and then project them as already existing, or as possible.
They then sell these noetic artifices, which contradict world, to those who are unable to do so themselves, or who require an external source to justify them - the weakest of the weak, the most dependent and effete psychologies of all.
Unable to create their own delusions, to contradict a world void of what they desperately need, they attack themselves to a "leader", a priest, shaman, that does the work for them, creating a codependent relationship of master/slave.
Other takes the form of the Divine absolute, the Good, the Positive, filling in what is missing, buy contradicting existence with noetic artifices represented by words, or the WORD.
Both master/slave must buy into the delusion for it to become convincing, and seductive.

Master feeds off the slave's worship, using him as a means towards the absent absolute, and the master is invigorated, inflated, by being such a conduit, in time becoming convinced that he is, indeed, the absent absolute itself.
A dynamic mirroring social behaviour in the wild.
Morality becomes a medium of shared bondage - a behavioral "ought" that differentiates the initiated form the uninitiated, the herd from those not belonging to it.
Such a Nihilistic system of inter-relationships, has on external, objective world to expose it - it exists within its own noetic bubble, reinforced, numerically, with every convert.
Morality is the shared code of exchange, binding the members into a mutual dependency, against all those who deny them or challenge their common ideals, their shared psychosis.
With no external phenomenon to affirm them, but rather a world of (inter)activities, phenomena, contradicting them, the group turns inward, sharing a language uniquely their own, words arranged in nonsensical ways, reflecting their commitment to the extra-ordinary, the super-natural that distinguishes their particular brand of Nihilism from all others.
Sentences need not be rational, but only trigger the emotions, sensations, that reminds them of their common needs.
The outside world is more of a hindrance than a benefit. A source of imagery they can manipulate and rearrange, updating their delusions.

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The advantage of Nihilism is numerical - quantities over qualities, exacerbated by absent frontiers.
After generations of uncontrolled, unregulated naturally, reproduction feeding a gluttonous system requiring hands to keep its specialized roles functioning, what is left are genetically unfit heterogeneous populations that have to be controlled and directed.
Nihilism, producing religious, spiritual, nihilism, at first, served as such a function of placating, individuals unable to cope with a reality they would not have survived outside system interventions, evolves into a more viral form by eliminating the still divisive component of God, the the self-sacrifice of faith.
Marxism was a first step towards secularization, drawing form Hellenic sources cosmopolitan attitudes, minus the component of seas as geographical distances.
A Marxist from any place in the world could identify with the victim-status of proletariat, the unfit worker now completely dependent no systemic interventions to survive.
Race, sex, culture, inheritance, genetics, were insignificant within the all-leveling system where utility, service to the whole, was the only distinguishing mark.
Faith in God, converted to loyalty to the State - the masculine component abstracted into an institution which anyone can represent.
Family structures were obsolete, as was the father figure, now taken over by the figurehead, the faceless institution.
With no family the last resistance to assimilation was rendered helpless, inadequate.
Females now belonged to the State, and males were sperm-donors, acting no behalf of the State, who was protector, provider, parent, but not lover.
Female confusion was the outcome - the gene/meme conflict, produced by progress into Nihilism at a pace the body could not adapt to.    

The outcome has been dissatisfied females, unable to understand the source of their unhappiness, and lost males, struggling to adapt to their new role as surrogate females, sperm-donors and eternal beta-males. His only ambition is to raise himself to he status of first representative of the abstract masculine energy - priest, leader, figurehead.
A role demanding duplicity, and a repression of ego the exposure of which would contradict his role.
Female confusion manifesting as a man-child pretense -an immature, boyish insidiousness.
Cynicism is how slip-ups are averted and covered up.
A boyish, adolescent, humour, hiding a sickly stunted psyche, hungry for the absent.

We can place hyper-masculinity, expressed through such venues as art, cRAP, and movies, in the category of spill-over libidinal excess striving to appear as what it can never be.
Nature abhors a vacuum, explaining why in the absence of corporeal males, real flesh and blood men, women express a masculinity they mistake for their own empowerment - safely tucked into institutional roles and norms.
Her submission to the institutionalized masculine is mistaken for their own emerging power. She no demands what she wishes to be identified as, protected by this institutional masculine entity that prevents all challenges to its delusion, its theoretical noetic constructs.
Hyper-Masculine males, like unruly boys coming of age, have no experience with real masculine energy. They imitate what they see on TV, in pop-culture, which is the system displaying its own masculinity, its own abstraction to them - as a method of venting repressed libidinal energies.
We can include pornography in this category.
As a consequence a caricature of masculinity is imitates, as boys always imitate their fathers, and in this case the Institution is the parent.
The process of coming of age, usually meant an overcoming of the father's dominance, but in this case this would entail an usurping of systemic power - revolution.
In more primitive displays, such as those practiced by the Negroes, this leads straight to incarceration, and the myriads of adolescent males worshiping these icons of rebelliousness, which they cannot pull-off themselves.
More muted forms of rebelliousness attempts to reenact coming of age rituals, through art, pretense, acting, imitation.
But lacking the physical component, reality, which in natural circumstances leads to a return to the father as an equal, in Modern circumstances the process cannot be finalized, leaving the boy trapped in adolescence.
The only finalization can be achieved by rising in status to become the representation of this institutionalized masculine energy - reseed only for a tiny fraction of the male population.
Entrapment in puberty is a characteristic of Modern males - men-children.
Like all adolescence resentment towards state power, or the masculine entity, a constant unfulfilled desire to prove himself, remains a constant throughout a modern male's lifetime.
More so with father's that could not inspire their sons, nor intimidate them, as normal part of growing up, and overcoming.
Sub-par males, preserved due to sheltering, and permitted to reproduce, due to the intervention of institutions imposing rules on sexual conduct, and a high price.

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Molyneux is an annoying shit, but he, and his mate, Watson, are evidence of how, when the system begins to come apart, weeds pop-up through the fissures, looking for a buck to be made.
Their challenge is to find enough subjects to expose, and be controversial about.
Vultures point to what shows signs of feebleness.
The Protestant/Jewish alliance is showing sings of fatigue.
If Trump keeps his promises his American-style isolationism will rearrange the dynamics across the globe.
Globalism is what is being challenged, and by Globalism we mean Americanism which is this Protestant/Jewish alliance - the victims of Arianism, coming together to degrade, and keep the real enemy down.
I'm not saying Trump is in on this, or that he is no more than a narcissistic turd, but his brand of opportunism, born of the very system he now seeks further validation through, is a witless agency of reactive forces coming together, as a response to the extermination of the European male that is being attempted.      


And if it means the putting to rest these cadavers of past glory, shuffling along pretending to be alive, and human, like modern Greece, then so be it.
If Trump keeps his promises Turkey will soon lay claim to half of the Aegean - if, and when, Trump orders back the 6th fleet Obama sent to signal caution.
And why not, when that country dies when it succumbed to Christianity, and is now tolerating Marxist gits, who lied to gain power, rid themselves of their old ideologues and are now no more than opportunists using populism to manipulates a population of effete, pampered, imbeciles.
A holocaust, black plague style cleansing is in order.
A severe amputation, cutting away, of dead weight, to allow what remains healthy to flourish.

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Distancing themselves form their own past is how nihilistic imbeciles put into play their beliefs that they are free of the past, and that all is subjective.
The "magical power of words" finds it apex in this baptismal rite.

The retarded morons actually believe that altering the words, changing names, using different symbols, can detach them form their genetic and memetic heritage.
It's shameless because their target audience are nit-wits, stupider, and more desperate than they are. If they can trick them, then they feel vindicated...and what does it matter if some see them as what they are: desperate, pathetic, cowards, obsessed and forever dependent upon the masses they also detest, and project their weaknesses upon.

What I discovered about Moderns, is how shameless they are.
They use shame and guilt, but are immune to it.
What distinguishes one form the other, is how impervious to shame they are.
They use shame and guilt to exploit and manipulate imbeciles, and feel proud because they, as the secular branch of the dis-ease, are immune to it.
This is what secularization of Nihilism means.
The overcoming of the final limit, the final authority, before which one hold himself accountable.

What's left, after that?
They do not hold themselves accountable to themselves because it's all subjective, so they can easily overcome such external imposed insecurities.
What is left is exploiting shame, and pretense, and lies, as only one who is shameless, pretentious and proudly duplicitous can.
Their only hang-up is being exposed.
They despise having their lies revealed, and only because this minimizes their effect.

The only reason these cowards and feeble-minded hypocrites remained decent, was because of God, or some external authority.
There was no esoteric ideal, no personal principle they held themselves accountable to.
Now that the Totalitarian God is dead, and the authoritarian State failed, as in Marxism, what is left to limit these hypocrites?
Integrity?
It's all subjective, right?

What then...pleasure and pain, no?
Back to the manimal stage.
Regression at work.
Every Dark Age has this period of chaos and mayhem.
It rids itself of the excess sheltering produced.

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Molyneux is an annoying shit, but he, and his mate, Watson, are evidence of how, when the system begins to come apart, weeds pop-up through the fissures, looking for a buck to be made.
Their challenge is to find enough subjects to expose, and be controversial about.
Vultures point to what shows signs of feebleness.
The Protestant/Jewish alliance is showing sings of fatigue.


I agree and after i found this vid I came to other considerations about this observation.



The fact that he reduces himself to the simplicity of these obnoxious low IQ negro women, proves this ulterior motive of superficial ambition to appeal to viewers and extend a wider spectrum of personal popularity and fame for these online intellectuals. That he shows his willingness to engage such idiots like these two yammering monkeys, implies that he is "open-minded" and embraces all 'walks of life'. Another implication of this interview is that simply being a Trump supporter translates into 'good sense' by default, suggesting a blind bias of what is politically right. Notice how he only asks them direct questions and refrains from opining like he normally does when he interacts with someone smarter; which shows his reserved superciliousness to those beneath him. A clear display of his insincerity.

I like Molyneux's interviews because i like listening to the guest speakers when he is not in self-indulgent mode and has discourse. His solo monologue videos are more annoying. All his cutesy one liners and quips and constant comical metaphors get tedious.

There is a new trend of self-righteous Trumpers growing, on par with the anti-Trumpers. The left/right modern alliance culminating into the same secularized peccadillo, leading to the same preservation of intellectual impoverishment. Trump was a phenomenon, that's mainly it. Now we explore why and wait and watch. But these online self-important intellectuals and orators are revealing themselves more and more as naive fools who are caught up in the hubris of feeling victorious against the Left without understanding why, or more importantly, how they differ from the left to have such a feeling of distinction.

Truth is, they are all liberals. They simply vary in degree of their identity of it. But no matter what, they all advocate a level of political correctness and equality, just not as aggressive as the radical Left does. These "Alt-righters" are still part of the same system and their views must be dissected with close attention.
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Kvasir wrote:
There is a new trend of self-righteous Trumpers growing, on par with the anti-Trumpers. The left/right modern alliance culminating into the same secularized peccadillo, leading to the same preservation of intellectual impoverishment.

I think the disadvantage of having Trump is that now all the liberal conservatives are trying to make the Trump train theirs, just as the Jabberwockies are trying.
But at the end how could it be any other way. The population hasn't changed - It's just the memes which they are exposed to, which might change.
Bringing back the faggot shaming, in other word bringing back an idea of masculinity and then informing this idea of masculinity to be less about liberal qualities.

Trump is Trump. He's a populist who knows how to push people towards being in favour of him and his ideas with various techniques. But, he is also a divider and he pushes some elements further away by deliberately provoking them and not apologising.
I don't see him bending over backwards and changing his ideas or policies because of popular resistance pockets. I see it more as a - "We can all be friends and do what I propose is right."
Ultimately, I think he has his own convictions and he is trying to make them into a reality. I think that he's not as fashy as I'd like him to be but neither is he a cuckservative.

He is not going to change the mental capabilities of his voter base, how critical and aware they can be about their meme consumption. That's to a large extent hardwired. At best they can cultivate a sense of mistrust for certain proven liars who want things which turn out to be unwelcome for them.
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Trump is an opportunist and a narcissist.
He sensed a market opportunity in these disenfranchised European males, now threatened with extinction by a memetic dis-ease their won success and dominance, made possible.
He has no principles, no ideals, other than himself and his family, measured in money.

He is a realist, a pragmatist, that has been taught the methods to manipulate reality to gain, from the delusions of others.
I have no doubt he is a racist.
How can he not be?
But he knows how and when to hide it.

Narcissism is a byproduct of the absence of god, the belief ion one, or his replacement with the abstraction of resources, money. Trump is a devoted follower of this new God - a high priest.  
When words replaced deeds, noumena usurped phenomena, as modes of measurement, symbols could be used to compensate for physical, genetic, insecurities, inflating the mind theoretically.
Money is such a symbol, used to cope and correct inherited, genetic feebleness.
Like all symbols it can seduce as a promise, and its range of effect ends where it is not accepted as a method of exchange - or where the symbol has no meaning.
A symbol's range of effect is determined by its popularity, its acceptance and usage as a metaphor - not necessarily consciously.  

Trump has been raised with money as an abstraction he can convert into tangible things, and one he can use to exploit others.
For him all ideas are such abstractions.
This is why he can lie and not feel embarrassed - for him words are used for effect. The effect forces him to change his application, without holding himself accountable to anything but this effect.

Narcissists only hold themselves as the ideal.
All else is there to shamelessly exploit and manipulate at will.
Lying, plagiarizing, corrupting, are all methods he feels no reservation in using.
Even if he is exposed as a liar, he will deny it, because words, like money, are used to manipulate and exploit.
He was swept by repressed energy, leaving a void.
I doubt he thought he would get this far, but as things snowballed he sensed the energy and rode it to the end.
He's an unwilling opportunist, who must now come to terms with his newfound opportunities.
What started as a self-promotion gimmick has now blossomed into new market shares.

He is a wake-up call to the establishment that had become complacent and so arrogant as to not hide itself from those it was lying to.
Pushed into power by angry European males that have been excluded and systematically cleansed, because they refuse to emasculate themselves and become worker-ants, or happy beta males, and women raised by such males, unhappy with their "liberty" and newfound "equality"; females where the conflict between their genetic dispositions trained the nihilistic meme force fed to them daily, erupted.  
But these are a minority, and dwindling in numbers, so the true force that brought Trump to power was Modern men and women being too lazy, too indifferent, to reassured and comparable to care. They did not vote but stayed home sure that Hillary would win with the voting force of faggots, lesbians, transsexuals, effete men-children and the growing masses of "freaks" that are now the staple of all urban environments, from Sacramento to Bangkok.
Freaks do not vote, they complain and they prance, depending on do-gooder liberal types, Marxists calling themselves enlightened Humanists, to do the work for them, and these well-fed ones simply could not believe anyone like Trump could win, so they did not bother to show-up.

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Let's face it, Trump is a one-term president.
The establishment, living-off the degradation of the masses, feeding off the lies they sell to them, will not make the mistake of underestimating what he represents.
Next election they'll find some wacko Liberal, to bury the European threat under mountains of brown-skinned, orange haired, cock-ringed, nipple-pierced freaks, and the endless numbers of omega males who, now, only have the State to serve and rise to the pinnacle of representation.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is an example of a google "genius".
The goal is to obfuscate and lie, by referring and deferring.
Name dropping so as to insinuate understanding that is absent.
shit-Stain also attempted this when he was cornered on philosophy. He panicked and began surfing the net to find obscure intellectuals to imply knowledge above the average, the common.
Now he's using "I am too mature for this" to do the same.
As if we can forget what he was saying less than a year ago.
A hypocrite adjusts his pretenses when they are discovered.
If you cannot discuss world, or a topic using your own words, and must insinuate understanding you cannot display, then you are a hypocrite and a liar, so insecure and desperate to appear as more than you are, that you use these childish  pretentious methods.

To recognize the type look for signs, such as an inability to discuss a topic, any topic, without referring and deferring to others - if not famous icons, that remain unchallenged, then use obscure minds few have heard about to imply a surpassing.
Shit-Stain could not use the famous icons because there his bullshyte would be easily uncovered by anyone....so he began using these vague intellectuals that supposedly went beyond the usual popular icons....but he could not bring this understanding to bear. He could only imply it and defer to that source, asking the others to do homework. Nobody could challenge his implied understanding until they had read and absorbed the source - he postponed his embarrassment, indefinitely, and until such a challenge could be mounted he enjoyed the unproven declaration of his "genius", as a yet to be challenged possibility.

This usually takes on the form of personality worship....simply mentioning a name being enough to be considered "evidence", or a devastating argument in itself.
Christians usually use Scripture, or say things like "Jesus said...".
More current example of the same duplicity, is the usage of Nietzsche as a "final" argument, evidence that usurps everything presented.
Quoting Nietzsche, for example, as if the quote supports the one using it, or as evidence of superiority - as if the name, by itself, overpowers the participants.
Nietzsche as Jesus icon.
Marxists do the same with the Communist Manifesto, Muslims with the Quran.

These are examples of "philosophy" as a dialogue using proxies, or debating about philosophy, not actually practicing philosophy- world is engaged via a intervening source, a authority, a proxy. Feminine psychology standing behind the "alpha" - daring the challenger to take him down, before she considers questioning her loyalty to him.
Discussing about what others said about world, and not discussing world itself.  
 
Their basic method is to insinuate a deeper understanding by finding the most obscure source, hoping the other has not read it, and then through this to imply that something, about the topic, is known that the other does not know, and claim that this something defeats any argument presented.
It's quite a pathetic method because even if the source has been read, there is no evidence that it has been understood, for if it had the one using it could have presented the understanding as part of his own argument.
The fact that he defers to it, means he is uncertain about his own understanding of the source he provides.

This method also maintain the escape route of plausible deniability.
The hypocrite can claim that he did not say anything, because he doesn't. By insinuating he can deny his full support, if cornered; by using a proxy he can claim that he doesn't agree with the source, the icon, but only mentioned him, only referred to him, or to pats of his thinking.
If the proxy is being defeated, or his own understanding of the proxy exposed as wanting, then he can deny allegiance.
It's a very feminine way of engaging other.
A "formidable" defender is presented, and then placed before the challenger as a representative of the user's own positions.
The challenger must defeat this representation for the user, hiding behind it, to reconsider his tactics. If accomplished the user can claim he, or rather she, was never in full agreement with the representation, the icon, but only mentioned him as part of exploring the issues.

I have notice Americans, in particular, are prone to this kind of grand-standing.

Using obscurity can also serve a different purpose.
By remaining vague, or using reference and deference, one can titter-totter between irrational and rational positions.
He may use irrational, unsubstantiated, supernatural, beliefs and then flee into rationalism, denying that he did so.
He remains eternally misunderstood, claiming he is too "clever", too deep to be understood, when his positions are really simple and based on already used dogmas.
I call this the "Trojan horse" method.
With this method a single or combination of words are used to bridge the rational with heir own irrationality. The word is defined, or places in an strange combination, insinuating depth.
Though it describes something simple it appears complex, by obfuscating and not wanting to clarify.
Clarity would expose its simplicity and baseness.
usually a combination of words is used to integrate an emotional source with a rational one - by placing the words together the synthesis of noumenon/phenomenon is attempted.
If repeated often enough the two words become inseparable in the minds habituated to seeing them together.
Though willing contradicts freedom, independence, emotion
Like free-will. A self-contradicting synthesis of concepts now established as a rational unity.
emotion fills in the contradicting, or missing, connection - it covers it with vagueness that can be then defined in accordance to any need.

Like abstract art...the observer is the one projecting meaning, profundity, in the artist's vagueness, his surreal insinuating presentation.

Let's not forget that this particular American hypocrite, Turd, also claimed to know Greek, and, no less, ancient Greek, and was exposed as a lair.
This is his methodology.
He googles a bunch of synoptic knowledge, skims through it, and then implies he has a understanding of them, or an in-depth reading of them.
The amount of time he spends on-line speaks of a mind completely obsessed and dependent on computer data.
Whatever topic is in question Turd has google to help him pretend he is above them all.
He never actually says anything - he implies, and then finds a way to disconnect and run away - usually with a quip, a joke, some form of redirection.

His attitude toward Nietzsche is evidence of this.
Obscurity is how he ensures he will not be discovered.
His Christian pride is also evidence of his degeneracy.

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