Eccentricity seeks in itself the standard for its own exaltation. In eclecticism it finds reasons, i.e., excuses, for its inability to relate and to be related with; obscurity is where it finds reasons to self-appraise what has been routinely rejected – inadequacy finding adequacy in novelty. Explanations are always circular, returning back to itself. Only those who have tasted the rare, and have acquired a taste for it – learned how to use discrimination as a badge of distinction – can fully appreciate what has been consistently unappreciated, depreciating in time and left aside as useless. The higher the neurosis the vaguer its deferments become, dismissing anything that does not fall into a shrinking circle of solipsism, imploding into itself in concentric waves of expanding dissonance – god's circumference inverting its envelopment, its circumference diminishing towards a hyperinflated pinpoint of ego; meaningless white-noise creating sonar defences rising in crescendo until nothing can be clearly discerned. Chaotic spirits pretend to hide a deeper, higher order only a few can perceive; talentless despair finding in abstraction an unfalsifiable method of overcompensating self-aggrandizement, exposing itself in confused displays identifying themselves as the “works of genius”. Social graciousness declines as the mind flees from the mundane world into its esoteric castles, losing all ability to connect the known with the experienced; experiences dwindle as the known no longer relates to what is common – it gains the benefit of never having to justify its claims to those that have failed to meet the extraordinary, often fantastic, criteria.
Prejudice and hatred increase in times of crisis - or Empire collapse - because then the individual knows that its life depends on seeing what is happening and who is the threat. Fear clears the mind of ethical issues and hypotheticals - words games vanish, and common sense becomes as sharp as a blade.
In times of safety and abundance, of comfort and hedonism, nobody cares to notice more than what is necessary for their enjoyment. The mind can speculate and surrender to introspection and skepticism, postponing all judgments because nothing is pressing or severe.
Fear is like a cold splash....suddenly intoxication becomes sober and harsh.
Capitalism based its survival on continuous market growth and hedonistic intoxications of its citizenry. Now that this seems improbable to be maintained the masses are waking up to what they did not bother with in their artificially maintained state of indifferent and subjectivity.
_ As One that feels the electric/static in the air.. against my skin, I believe that we are more connected with nature and the astrological/cosmic-plane than we think. Maybe not All are, but only Some.. as with instinct and intuition and other such imperceptible traits.. tho all that has no correlation with daily horoscopes.
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Distant starts do nor determine character or fate. Proximity in an ever expanding concentric circle of effect.
Genetics is primary, then mutations during conception and gestation caused by environment, including climate - season during gestation - earth's magnetic field, sun's magnetic field, solar flares, cosmic energies...
Astrology is psychology for those with poor real-time perceptions... For primitives and superstitious minds.
Alchemy is the same...chemistry, geology etc. for simpletons.
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If planetary and solar positions were so important then there would not be species based on genetics and evolution, there would be astrological species. One Pisces species, born during the same period. one Virgo, one Leo and so on.
Do animals and plants have astrological signs? Why aren't there any charts for gardenias, roses, or cats or worms?
Astrology exploits gullibility and applies the fine art of manipulation through semiotics. Parasitical survival strategies usually adopt it as a means of exploiting a host's vulnerable populations....e.g. gypsies.
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it becomes true insofar as much as it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that the feminine regime imposes on individuals
just as the Chinese Zodiac probably impacts they way they think of different people, those thoughts then shape those people, this then reinforces the superstition
still it remains fun categorizing people and putting them in boxes, you also gain a sense of predictive insight in a chaotic world, psychological comfort
there are no solutions, only trade-offs - personally I would prefer a more rational world in which nobody took much of it serious
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it becomes true insofar as much as it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that the feminine regime imposes on individuals
The power of suggestion is particularly effective on undeveloped and insecure personalities.
Hypnosis uses it. The effect begins with the suggestion of authority - specialization, expertise.
NoMindInMyMind wrote:
just as the Chinese Zodiac probably impacts they way they think of different people, those thoughts then shape those people, this then reinforces the superstition
Feeding into another's prejudices and convictions is a fundamental part of grifting - the art of the con. Some think that manipulation implants ideas in another's mind. Not so. It simply exploits what is already present - it reinforces what has already been accepted as fact. A charlatan exploits feeble minds - with flattery, for one. Flattery softens what resistance is present.
NoMindInMyMind wrote:
still it remains fun categorizing people and putting them in boxes, you also gain a sense of predictive insight in a chaotic world, psychological comfort
But individuals do fall into vaguely defined categories. Vagueness is a product of fluctuating degrees. People differ only in degree. This is why categories are generalizations of probabilities - patterns of some degree of predictability.
NoMindInMyMind wrote:
there are no solutions, only trade-offs - personally I would prefer a more rational world in which nobody took much of it serious
Such a world is impossible. Inferiority will always be a relationship to a mean....and reproduction will inevitably propagate all kinds of unfit mutations. This is why Abrahamism is so successful and exists over thousands of years, an why the same parasitical ideologies and con jobs are still effective, even if they are ancient. Astrology will never cease finding minds to exploit. Palm reading, Tarot card reading, the evil eye, and on and on....still lucrative practices.
Distant starts do nor determine character or fate. Proximity in an ever expanding concentric circle of effect.
Genetics is primary, then mutations during conception and gestation caused by environment, including climate - season during gestation - earth's magnetic field, sun's magnetic field, solar flares, cosmic energies...
..and the solar systems are bound by gravity, another force.. to be reckoned with and taken into consideration, as a bearing, on our Being.. and don’t forget the moon.
”The Milky Way is spinning at 270 kilometers per second (168 miles per second) and takes about 200 million years to complete one rotation, according to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory“. ...11 Feb 2015 Why does the Milky Way rotate? - Phys.org
Satyr wrote:
Astrology is psychology for those with poor real-time perceptions... For primitives and superstitious minds.
Alchemy is the same...chemistry, geology etc. for simpletons.
I said: ”I believe that we are more connected with nature and the astrological/cosmic-plane than we think.. tho that has no correlation with daily horoscopes“.
Reading the Horoscopes is like reading the Classifieds or doing the Puzzle Page.. light entertainment, to go with One’s morning tea or coffee.
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..and the solar systems are bound by gravity, another force.. to be reckoned with and taken into consideration, as a bearing, on our Being.. and don’t forget the moon.
”The Milky Way is spinning at 270 kilometers per second (168 miles per second) and takes about 200 million years to complete one rotation, according to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory“. ...11 Feb 2015 Why does the Milky Way rotate? - Phys.org
Presumably the rearrangement of stars will evolve different kinds of characters.
Mysteriously star charts are not applicable to any other species other than the one that can be affected by symbols and words.
Datura wrote:
I said: ”I believe that we are more connected with nature and the astrological/cosmic-plane than we think.. tho that has no correlation with daily horoscopes“.
Reading the Horoscopes is like reading the Classifieds or doing the Puzzle Page.. light entertainment, to go with One’s morning tea or coffee.
Like I said...we can include this magnetic, gravitational, influence within the category "environment".
Environment begins with inherited effects - via genetics (nature = past) and proceeds towards the present (nurturing) and how this inheritance is affected by ongoing circumstances, which includes distant star configurations. Placing the individual in the middle of multiple concentric spheres expanding outwards form most influential to least influential.
Astrology implies a predetermined fate - predestination, predetermination - linked to the denial of human agency, i.e., free-will. to any degree; that man's fate is sealed at birth, or determined before he/she is even conceived. In a universe with no telos, no purpose, it implies a cosmic purpose, intent, order.....belonging to a plan - unloading personal responsibility upon other. It is used by charlatans that want to exploit human anxieties, and believed by psychologies that need a sense of control, power over their own destiny, even if in the form of an insight. Often those who are confused by human behaviour seek solace in astrological predictive charts - offering them a sense of being aware of secret forces or deep truths.
Afro-Asiatic tribes adopting parasitism have used this to their advantage - I'll only name the Gypsies.
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The mind/body dichotomy leads to schizophrenia: mind/body dissonance. Modern minds, born and raised within urban environments, feel disconnected, alienated from nature and form their own physical forms, via nihilistic ideologies - they are being detached from their own inheritance, via the body's presence.
The body is reactive to external stimuli that never register in the mind. We experience existence continuously and only perceive a tiny portion, after the fact. This creates the conviction that man is un-free, because mind becomes aware of its own body's judgments and choices after the body has already judged and chosen. Modern man identifies only with the lucid part of consciousness - this is what he refers to when he says "I". Let's call it "ego" - Greek for self. This facilitates nihilistic defensiveness that identifies with ideas/ideals - the realm of mind - dismissing the tangible, physical, corporeal, as primitive or inconsequential or shameful...
I've used the example of a man experiencing an erection at the presence of a adolescent female though he is convinced that he is in agreement with prevailing moral and social ethics of his culture. His body reacts in antithesis to what his mind believes.
Women call it "chemistry" or "intuition"....when they cannot explain why their body disagrees with what their mind believes is good for it.
Within gene/meme dynamics I've tried to explain my positions on how the body is guided by a pool of memories - DNA - that may be contradicted by the minds pool of memories - experiences. The mind may be indoctrinated and believe that some choices are "evil" or "harmful" and the body may still be governed by a antithetical standard of evaluating and judging good/bad.
Modern man, since the dominance of Abrahamic nihilism, identifies with the mind - and so he only accepts responsibility for his conscious choices and denies responsibility for his unconscious choices and judgments - the body is what he refers to when he claims that he - his mind - is bound by external order.
If planetary and solar positions were so important then there would not be species based on genetics and evolution, there would be astrological species. One Pisces species, born during the same period. one Virgo, one Leo and so on.
..a valid point.
Tho..
...https://www.self.com › story › asking-if-astrology-is-real... 21 Jun 2019 — ”Whether or not astrology is "real," it may have some real benefits for people, ... I use the clients' natal charts to unlock the mysteries of their realities, identifying blindspots ... As humans, we tell stories to understand our realities“.
Satyr wrote:
Do animals and plants have astrological signs? Why aren't there any charts for gardenias, roses, or cats or worms?
I’m certain that someone somewhere has done so already.
Satyr wrote:
Astrology exploits gullibility and applies the fine art of manipulation through semiotics. Parasitical survival strategies usually adopt it as a means of exploiting a host's vulnerable populations....e.g. gypsies.
When Some don’t have a concept-of-Self, they form one through a melange of available means.. in order to build a picture of themselves, that is reflective of who they are.
We are the total sum of our past and it’s influences on us.
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The psychosomatic benefits of superstition are indisputable. Self-Deceit is often necessary for survival and reproduction to succeed.
Like I've said, the philosophical acumen is rare....not all who discuss philosophical subjects have the constitution to be a philosopher. Intelligence is not enough. Knowledge is not enough.
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He can become temporarily entranced by her, he can impose a kind of foreignness onto himself - but in the end the magic always wares off because she can only ever be herself.
Feminine chaos seeks masculine order. She becomes intriguing, ‘magical’, because she is open and receptive to being shaped by his will upon her, to being filled by his knowledge, and this in turn draws him into her spirit, makes her alluring. If she ends up disappointing him in the end, then his own identity and sexuality, will have proven to be inferior.
Presumably the rearrangement of stars will evolve different kinds of characters.
Mysteriously star charts are not applicable to any other species other than the one that can be affected by symbols and words.
..quite.
Satyr wrote:
Like I said...we can include this magnetic, gravitational, influence within the category "environment".
Environment begins with inherited effects - via genetics (nature = past) and proceeds towards the present (nurturing) and how this inheritance is affected by ongoing circumstances, which includes distant star configurations. Placing the individual in the middle of multiple concentric spheres expanding outwards form most influential to least influential.
Astrology implies a predetermined fate - predestination, predetermination - linked to the denial of human agency, i.e., free-will. to any degree; that man's fate is sealed at birth, or determined before he/she is even conceived. In a universe with no telos, no purpose, it implies a cosmic purpose, intent, order.....belonging to a plan - unloading personal responsibility upon other. It is used by charlatans that want to exploit human anxieties, and believed by psychologies that need a sense of control, power over their own destiny, even if in the form of an insight. Often those who are confused by human behaviour seek solace in astrological predictive charts - offering them a sense of being aware of secret forces or deep truths.
Afro-Asiatic tribes adopting parasitism have used this to their advantage - I'll only name the Gypsies.
I’ll go with environment
I don’t think that the effect of the cosmological plane on us seals our fate, but probably only has subtle influences on our psyche.. otherwise the influence would be subliminal in nature and therefore not an ethereal one, which I think it is.
I would imagine that the cosmos would have an ethereal influence, rather than influencing character, intents, and purposes.. those are aspects that we nurture in ourselves, which we seem to derive from the concrete world around us.
I do agree that those that need a sense of control and power over their destinies will use astrology as a divination tool to map out a plan of action, for their days and their lives. Me, I use my e-cal as my daily guide. ; )
Having done my Temperament and Typology, when young, I didn’t then go around living through my Type and Temperament, but by what came naturally to me/my flow.
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Just like all existence existing is dynamic so too are organisms....constantly adjusting to fluctuating circumstances and their own fluctuating organic dynamics. These either/or dichotomies ought to include a third factor which is movement/momentum, representing probability - so higher probability to be extroverted or introverted - changing over space/time - is fluctuating, moving towards/away from the category representing an absolute state of being, i.e., increasing/decreasing probability towards one or the other.
In my view an organism's personality - personæ - is determined by its inherited organ hierarchies, i.e., degree to which each and every organ participates - interacts - with other organs establishing its degree of effect and dominance in a hierarchy. In humans the brain is the most dominant organ - most energy demanding - relative to all the other organs, so man is a dichotomy of mind/body, synthesized via the nervous system, so a triad. Still, the body's dominant organ determines the individuals tastes, attitudes, proclivities, demeanor; the force of its particular impulses, engaging the mind via the nervous system. The brain is also divided into two distinct spheres, as McGilchrist explained, each with a specific way of processing both external and internal stimuli - from the body and from the senses, i.e., data: one holistic and vague (feminine) the other more segmented and abstract, categorical (masculine) - see McGilchrist for more on that. In the mind is where all these organic interactions become personality and determine how the individual will relate to and engage with reality - creating the character as an extension of its underlying personality. Character is always a version of personality. The personæ can be called the subconscious self, and the character the lucid/conscious self, let's call it "ego"... Here is where nihilism takes root. Moderns only identify with the ego and refuse or negate or reject the subconscious, as the undesirable (evil, shameful, untameable, uncontrollable) physical, so they refuse all judgments and choices made without the ego's participation or its dominance - they refuse to accept free-will, or their will's consequences if they are not a product of conscious intent - ego; many even refusing the accept unintentional consequences of their intentional judgements, choices and actions. Since most judgements and choices and actions are unconscious - reactive - they experience them as if they were predetermined or made by an external force, agency, authority etc. Private/Public self.
Cruelty has a Human Heart And Jealousy a Human Face Terror the Human Form Divine And Secrecy, the Human Dress
The Human Dress, is forged Iron The Human Form, a fiery Forge. The Human Face, a Furnace seal'd The Human Heart, its hungry Gorge.
Nature is appearance, human is pretension. Those who confuse the two believe the world itself is an illusion or ‘unjust’, projecting their inferiority; the nature of resentment.
Feminine chaos seeks masculine order. She becomes intriguing, ‘magical’, because she is open and receptive to being shaped by his will upon her, to being filled by his knowledge, and this in turn draws him into her spirit, makes her alluring. If she ends up disappointing him in the end, then his own identity and sexuality, will have proven to be inferior.
For her the mere maintenance of her self is the more than fulfilling accomplishment of life, I guess similar to when one is a child and the past and future is some great mystery so the present also much more lively.
He has become caught within the future, fixated on his personal capability and functionality relating to a greater whole, trapped in a anxious and self-critical existence. Duty is his reason for maintaining his surroundings, but broader fulfillment is lacking.
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It is now normal to be a transvestite transsexual.,...you know like homosexuality...but it is a psychosis to be "white". This is how this war will be fought - using feminine methods, e.g., slander, rumours, accusation ruining reputations...undermining. The methods of slaves, of victims, of herds. All will be turned on its head...using language. Health will be redefined as a kind of illness, and illness will become our new standard for health.
Words referring to more words, referring to still more words delivered by "experts", to be considered indubitable, sacred....even fi lacking external referents - deferring to icons and idols. What is perceived is not to be trusted....personal judgment is to be dissuaded. This is how mistakes are made. One must always defer to socially sanctioned authorities, despite reason, and appearances, reinforcing codependence and dripline to the collective will - god. Those who decipher divine will, are the authorities of our modern priesthood. They mediate between individuals and the divine. An interesting sequence, when humanity=god; and god=humanity, in a non one-god world. Those who can place ideas in the mind of humanity can become gods by proxy.....via logos. Of course they will claim to be deciphering the divine, not creating it. Which is what grifters always say.
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Might the psychological types be tied to a particular political ideal?
If ENFP is the type that likes to "stand up for minorities", then does this predispose them to always be subversive towards the general culture? Derrida was apparently an ENFP who said that the minority's view on something should also be taken into account on any matter, but the problem with this is that taking this to its conclusion would mean taking seriously every mutation who wants their own form of degeneracy to be embraced by the greater culture. Sure there can be situations like today where we are a minority compared to the modern world, but compared to the rest of history, the modern world is itself a minority exception. I can understand standing up for a superior minority, but most of the time the minority tends to be inferior.
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Being seen, being known is very disturbing to the average modern. Nihilism, as I've claimed, is a defensive reaction to this possibility. This is why they deny free-will, because actions expose judgments; choices exposes essence, so they want to distance themselves from their own actions. This is why they dismiss psychology, because the possibility of being known and understood more than they know and understand themselves is terrifying to them. This is why they deny the existence of a self, an identity as being apparent, because they do not want to be seen as who and what they are – they want to believe that there is no self, that it is simply an expression of cultivated reactions, learned behaviours, and not inherited. Nihilistic ideologies and dogmas offer them a service. Through them they can entirely or selectively negate the parts they feel most insecure about. Nihilism is about hyperbolic and arbitrarily applied skepticism, used as a method of concealment – Abrahamics call it "salvation", Marxists call it equalization.
